The whole discussion is moot when you use Fedora Core 5 because you need a swap partition equal to the size of your memory so you can use the suspend/resume to harddisk functionality. If that were not the case, I'd say to hell with swap. Don't need no slow disk bringing down my laptop to a crawl. I'd much more prefer the app that's causing the trashing to shoot itself into oblivion.
For one I doubt that a project that has the financial backing of a one man band will knock RH from its throne. Even if the man made $500M (minus the considerable cost of his little trip into space). RH has ten digit assets, a ton of A list partners and it actually has solutions besides the OS. The Enterprise needs solutions. A new kid on the block with a DVD will not cut it with the Global 2000. You need the building blocks that help these players to achieve their objectives. That means professional services, training, 24/7 support, certified hardware and, again, partners that they need to integrate these pretty complex solutions.
Several of Tony's arguments seem to be creative at best and lack substance. Did the packaged version of RH flop? Looking at RH today I tend to disagree as their packaged offering was the precursor of the succesfull business model they now have. It's called Evolution. You try something, shave and mold and hopefully get to a point where it works better. And it seems RH got it right given the fact that they are the leading vendor in this space. Were they too expensive? Well, if something like $100 for a packaged version is too much for a company I think that company should reevaluate their existence. According to Tony the Fedora split was "underfunded and the "community involvement" was patchy and disorganised". Besides the fact that any new project will always have growing pains, in the end it's the result that counts. Maybe Tony should install FC5, subscribe to the mailing lists and browse the ton of helpful websites focused on FC. I did and I see a vibrant community that is delivering a distro that gets better all the time. So in what way did RH "abandoned its desktop audience, to focus on the more lucrative corporate market"? What do you call the free Fedora Core distribution? What do you call the commercial desktop solution that RH offers? Seems they have been successful in sponsoring and creating solutions that will cater to more instead of less.
Tony continues to be creative with his statement that Shuttleworth "divert tons, and tons, and tons of GNU/Linux users away from Red Hat Linux, and towards Ubuntu Linux". Looking at RH's latest quarterly results I don't see them loosing "tons and tons of GNU/Linux users" to Ubuntu. Googling around I found no supporting information about the mass defection of RH customers to Ubuntu like Tony suggests.
All in all Tony has not presented a single fact to support his statements. He only makes bold claims which border on unsubstantiated RH/FC trashing. His feable attempt at writing an "editorial" should be taken with a rock of salt of similar size used for Maureen O'Gara's poo.
And I'm not impressed with your lack of reviewing the Hardware Compatibility List before "encouraging" your client to buy a RHEL3 solution. Had you reviewed the HCL than you would have known if that Dell, including its firewire, was supported.
It's a very bad idea to use your Asterisk server as the ADSL gateway. Asterisk is time sensitive and you want that box to do Asterisk and nothing else. A small delay in trying to write some data to the harddisk can already cause hickups in people's conversations. And you really do not want to be support when that happens. People get furious if their phones calls suck in terms of (their perceived) quality. Obviously if you put the Asterisk box behind the (ADSL) gateway than you may get NAT issues if you use SIP. If you can get multiple static IP addresses (one for the ADSL gateway and one for the Asterisk box) than I would definitely do that. Best is to avoid SIP and use IAX to connect to your ITSP.
My recommendation is to use Asterisk/VoIP internally (so phones and server) and hook up a T1 or PRI (ISDN Primary Rate with 24 channels) to your preferred phone company. Get some "pay as you go" service from an ITSP and if the quality through your ITSP is good, route outgoing calls first to the ITSP and if they fail fall back to the T1 or PRI. Also get a block of DIDs for all employees so they can be reached directly, offloading the receptionist.
Asterisk has quite a steep learning curve. If you want to get up and running asap then hire a consultant with good references and shell out the cash. You will end up with a well working system and can start to learn Asterisk from there on. Also get the two Asterisk books, read everything you can find at voip-info.org and subscribe to the Asterisk mailing lists. Good luck!
I would do that too if I had an army of financial advisors telling me that this neat trick is going to make him money instead of "costing". Good for the kids though. Do remember that last time BillyBob visited India he put way more money into getting Microsoft products into their education system than he donated to their aids research which is a major issue in the country. Shows you where his priorities are.... On the flip side, there is our community that makes a huge effort in creating something the entire world can benefit from. I don't think the community has anything to match dollarwise and can feel pretty good about themselves and what they have achieved. Now everybody back to work!
No they are not *from* the Netherlands. They are Nigerians *living* in the Netherlands. In the "Bijlmer" area of Amsterdam to be exact. At least until recently because they got their sorry asses kicked out of the country.
Frankly I am amazed by the hostility towards Europe while this is only about a European organization which was *invited* by the US to have a look. I have seen several remarks telling Europe to fsck off, references made to Hitler and all sorts of other rude stuff. Why? Does your US#1 propaganda show more cracks?
As a European let me say this: your election in Florida was the best Disney show I ever saw. I do not know of any other country in the Western world where the Governor helps his brother become President who then abuses his newly acquired power to start all sorts of wars, helps his rich buddies get richer and sends the economy spiraling down.
It will not take long before China & Europe stop financing your ridiculous deficit and demand cold cash. That's when the US will collapse and sadly be probably an even better reality show than Jeb & George do Florida. This threat should concern you much more than the OCSE coming over. Think about what is happening with the economy of your country, the serious danger the US deficit poses and how you can make a difference with your vote.
What an excellent timing guys! This morning I got my free xbox. The fine people over at globalknowledge.com had cooked up the concept of "take 10 days of training, get an xbox for free" and I guess my timing was ok as at the time I had planned 2 Cisco trainings. Now the question is, if you guys are really going to cover xbox games (what does "the majority of consoles" mean?), do I go out and buy those 5-star rated xbox games or do I wait for the Linux version to come out, immediately install Linux and MythTV on my xbox and enjoy the multimedia experience with an evil grin on my face?
While Linux may be obvious there are several other like P2P, Distro's with Gnome 2.2. and KDE 3.1, OpenOffice.org, Apache, PHP, XML, Abiword, Gnumeric, Evolution and even a proprietary one: Samsung Contact. Kudos to the zone of the rising sun for not accepting to be bullied by 'profits over your dead body' type of companies to stop (successfully) selling a great Groupware solution to the top 1000 Companies in the world (show some spine next time HP).
Several products/solutions have been created over the past few years that, in spite of the overall market sentiment, have succeeded in starting the dethroning of the incumbents in the OS and business productivity market. It's been an amazing ride so far. Remember the good ol' days of the 0.99 kernels, Slackware challenges and cheers when you found out how to make xfishtank compile again. Compare that to the latest beta of Red Hat, Mandrake's 9-RC2, Suse's latest release and countless others also providing their take on true innovation. That's true innovation in its finest form and shape.
Much productive water under the bridge, lots to be proud of and thankfull for also. Especially of the the fact that everything the community has contributed to the World will accelerate the migration to a new creative, intellectual, social and business environment that redefines the concept of social and business ethics, monetary foundation and business interaction frameworks.
It's the spirit of this community that has truely withstood the test of time, the media and dominating market forces by sheer determination. It has shown great resilience against amazing abuse (need I say cancer, anti-American and threat to intellectual property) and other FUD attacks.
I think that would be a US customer and there you would be right. Not many Telco's in the US jumped on ISDN like they did in Europe. What little availability there was was accompanied by a rather steep pricecurve. ISDN service in Europe is only $40/mo while my American collegues always told me that that same service in the US was many times that $40 we pay. Your $250/mo would suggest a payback time of the infrastructure of less than a year. Big sign that the telco's really weren't interested as basic voice equipment normally enjoys about 3 to 5 years.
On the other hand an E1 (T1 +512Mb/s) on a country to country leg was more than $10,000/mo until not too long ago in Europe. I'd rather pay the hefty ISDN pricetag and enjoy the friendly priced T1's in the US.
> This is the kind of hardware you buy when five nines just aren't enough.
In over 10 years in telco datacenters I have come across lot's of equipment that was NEBS certified and did *not* have 5 nines requirement. Actually there are many elements in a telco's network that don't meat that criterium by design. Too darn expensive. To give you an example: 1 linecard for a Lucent 5ESS switch (stone age pile of junk that indeed runs close to forever) is over $1,000. That's a lot of money to recoup from the one or max two subscribers that are hooked up to that card. Although NEBS is partially a requirement for 5 or 6 nines, there are many other things to consider like software.
Needless to say I have never seen a Microsoft 5 nines solution. Would be surprised if it actually excisted. I did have a field day once on a Internet Call Diversion trial at WorldCom's datacenter in central London where those silly people from Alcatel actually brought in a couple of Windows boxes. The Alcatel people were even surprised that WCOM did not accept a solution that had to be rebooted at least every twelve hours. And that was on a slow day in the trial environment:) We won the order off course.
So Microsoft tells us it is impossible to take e.g. all the media stuff out off Windows. But if I look at sheet 27 of the Usenix presentation it says that modules are built separately and thus suggests that they can be left out of an entire build. What do you think?
Yeah, been there. Did Amsterdam-Dallas 2x a week for a while and if I wasn't going to Dallas, I was commuting between Amsterdam and London or Frankfurt, which both are piece of cake compared to Dallas.
I can tell you that this ain't healthy stuff and the only way to keep your brain from melting is a decent amount of nice cool Heineken at nite to ease into dreamland.
Apart from the jetlag there is also a physical downside. Business class seats (or first class in the US) may sound comfortable but when you fly more than 150 times a year (mostly international) but they are not. My back broke down which had to be mended by quite a lovely physiotherapist (lucky upside)
The simple solution would have been to relocate but would anyone trade Amsterdam for Dallas:)
Can you give us a hint what people resources will be needed (and where) in the near future to drive IBM's Linux strategy forward?
For enlightened, Linux-experienced people working across the industry (at the Big Five, System Integrators, dot.com, and big vendors like Lucent and Cisco) IBM's Linux strategy may be a career opportunity.
Is there a person or group within IBM available for these people in the US, Europe etc. to talk to or should those interested file their profile at http://www.activerecruiter.com/ibm/ ?
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The whole discussion is moot when you use Fedora Core 5 because you need a swap partition equal to the size of your memory so you can use the suspend/resume to harddisk functionality. If that were not the case, I'd say to hell with swap. Don't need no slow disk bringing down my laptop to a crawl. I'd much more prefer the app that's causing the trashing to shoot itself into oblivion.
For one I doubt that a project that has the financial backing of a one man band will knock RH from its throne. Even if the man made $500M (minus the considerable cost of his little trip into space). RH has ten digit assets, a ton of A list partners and it actually has solutions besides the OS. The Enterprise needs solutions. A new kid on the block with a DVD will not cut it with the Global 2000. You need the building blocks that help these players to achieve their objectives. That means professional services, training, 24/7 support, certified hardware and, again, partners that they need to integrate these pretty complex solutions.
Several of Tony's arguments seem to be creative at best and lack substance. Did the packaged version of RH flop? Looking at RH today I tend to disagree as their packaged offering was the precursor of the succesfull business model they now have. It's called Evolution. You try something, shave and mold and hopefully get to a point where it works better. And it seems RH got it right given the fact that they are the leading vendor in this space. Were they too expensive? Well, if something like $100 for a packaged version is too much for a company I think that company should reevaluate their existence. According to Tony the Fedora split was "underfunded and the "community involvement" was patchy and disorganised". Besides the fact that any new project will always have growing pains, in the end it's the result that counts. Maybe Tony should install FC5, subscribe to the mailing lists and browse the ton of helpful websites focused on FC. I did and I see a vibrant community that is delivering a distro that gets better all the time. So in what way did RH "abandoned its desktop audience, to focus on the more lucrative corporate market"? What do you call the free Fedora Core distribution? What do you call the commercial desktop solution that RH offers? Seems they have been successful in sponsoring and creating solutions that will cater to more instead of less.
Tony continues to be creative with his statement that Shuttleworth "divert tons, and tons, and tons of GNU/Linux users away from Red Hat Linux, and towards Ubuntu Linux". Looking at RH's latest quarterly results I don't see them loosing "tons and tons of GNU/Linux users" to Ubuntu. Googling around I found no supporting information about the mass defection of RH customers to Ubuntu like Tony suggests.
All in all Tony has not presented a single fact to support his statements. He only makes bold claims which border on unsubstantiated RH/FC trashing. His feable attempt at writing an "editorial" should be taken with a rock of salt of similar size used for Maureen O'Gara's poo.
And I'm not impressed with your lack of reviewing the Hardware Compatibility List before "encouraging" your client to buy a RHEL3 solution. Had you reviewed the HCL than you would have known if that Dell, including its firewire, was supported.
It's a very bad idea to use your Asterisk server as the ADSL gateway. Asterisk is time sensitive and you want that box to do Asterisk and nothing else. A small delay in trying to write some data to the harddisk can already cause hickups in people's conversations. And you really do not want to be support when that happens. People get furious if their phones calls suck in terms of (their perceived) quality. Obviously if you put the Asterisk box behind the (ADSL) gateway than you may get NAT issues if you use SIP. If you can get multiple static IP addresses (one for the ADSL gateway and one for the Asterisk box) than I would definitely do that. Best is to avoid SIP and use IAX to connect to your ITSP.
My recommendation is to use Asterisk/VoIP internally (so phones and server) and hook up a T1 or PRI (ISDN Primary Rate with 24 channels) to your preferred phone company. Get some "pay as you go" service from an ITSP and if the quality through your ITSP is good, route outgoing calls first to the ITSP and if they fail fall back to the T1 or PRI. Also get a block of DIDs for all employees so they can be reached directly, offloading the receptionist.
Asterisk has quite a steep learning curve. If you want to get up and running asap then hire a consultant with good references and shell out the cash. You will end up with a well working system and can start to learn Asterisk from there on. Also get the two Asterisk books, read everything you can find at voip-info.org and subscribe to the Asterisk mailing lists. Good luck!
I would do that too if I had an army of financial advisors telling me that this neat trick is going to make him money instead of "costing". Good for the kids though. Do remember that last time BillyBob visited India he put way more money into getting Microsoft products into their education system than he donated to their aids research which is a major issue in the country. Shows you where his priorities are.... On the flip side, there is our community that makes a huge effort in creating something the entire world can benefit from. I don't think the community has anything to match dollarwise and can feel pretty good about themselves and what they have achieved. Now everybody back to work!
No they are not *from* the Netherlands. They are Nigerians *living* in the Netherlands. In the "Bijlmer" area of Amsterdam to be exact. At least until recently because they got their sorry asses kicked out of the country.
Frankly I am amazed by the hostility towards Europe while this is only about a European organization which was *invited* by the US to have a look. I have seen several remarks telling Europe to fsck off, references made to Hitler and all sorts of other rude stuff. Why? Does your US#1 propaganda show more cracks?
As a European let me say this: your election in Florida was the best Disney show I ever saw. I do not know of any other country in the Western world where the Governor helps his brother become President who then abuses his newly acquired power to start all sorts of wars, helps his rich buddies get richer and sends the economy spiraling down.
It will not take long before China & Europe stop financing your ridiculous deficit and demand cold cash. That's when the US will collapse and sadly be probably an even better reality show than Jeb & George do Florida. This threat should concern you much more than the OCSE coming over. Think about what is happening with the economy of your country, the serious danger the US deficit poses and how you can make a difference with your vote.
Mirrors can be found at http://asterisk.paperwork.com
What an excellent timing guys! This morning I got my free xbox. The fine people over at globalknowledge.com had cooked up the concept of "take 10 days of training, get an xbox for free" and I guess my timing was ok as at the time I had planned 2 Cisco trainings. Now the question is, if you guys are really going to cover xbox games (what does "the majority of consoles" mean?), do I go out and buy those 5-star rated xbox games or do I wait for the Linux version to come out, immediately install Linux and MythTV on my xbox and enjoy the multimedia experience with an evil grin on my face?
Cheers,
Lowlands
While Linux may be obvious there are several other like P2P, Distro's with Gnome 2.2. and KDE 3.1, OpenOffice.org, Apache, PHP, XML, Abiword, Gnumeric, Evolution and even a proprietary one: Samsung Contact. Kudos to the zone of the rising sun for not accepting to be bullied by 'profits over your dead body' type of companies to stop (successfully) selling a great Groupware solution to the top 1000 Companies in the world (show some spine next time HP).
Several products/solutions have been created over the past few years that, in spite of the overall market sentiment, have succeeded in starting the dethroning of the incumbents in the OS and business productivity market. It's been an amazing ride so far. Remember the good ol' days of the 0.99 kernels, Slackware challenges and cheers when you found out how to make xfishtank compile again. Compare that to the latest beta of Red Hat, Mandrake's 9-RC2, Suse's latest release and countless others also providing their take on true innovation. That's true innovation in its finest form and shape.
Much productive water under the bridge, lots to be proud of and thankfull for also. Especially of the the fact that everything the community has contributed to the World will accelerate the migration to a new creative, intellectual, social and business environment that redefines the concept of social and business ethics, monetary foundation and business interaction frameworks.
It's the spirit of this community that has truely withstood the test of time, the media and dominating market forces by sheer determination. It has shown great resilience against amazing abuse (need I say cancer, anti-American and threat to intellectual property) and other FUD attacks.
Thank you all and keep the faith!
Best regards,
Patrick
On the other hand an E1 (T1 +512Mb/s) on a country to country leg was more than $10,000/mo until not too long ago in Europe. I'd rather pay the hefty ISDN pricetag and enjoy the friendly priced T1's in the US.
Cheers, Patrick
In over 10 years in telco datacenters I have come across lot's of equipment that was NEBS certified and did *not* have 5 nines requirement. Actually there are many elements in a telco's network that don't meat that criterium by design. Too darn expensive. To give you an example: 1 linecard for a Lucent 5ESS switch (stone age pile of junk that indeed runs close to forever) is over $1,000. That's a lot of money to recoup from the one or max two subscribers that are hooked up to that card. Although NEBS is partially a requirement for 5 or 6 nines, there are many other things to consider like software.
Needless to say I have never seen a Microsoft 5 nines solution. Would be surprised if it actually excisted. I did have a field day once on a Internet Call Diversion trial at WorldCom's datacenter in central London where those silly people from Alcatel actually brought in a couple of Windows boxes. The Alcatel people were even surprised that WCOM did not accept a solution that had to be rebooted at least every twelve hours. And that was on a slow day in the trial environment :) We won the order off course.
Cheers, Patrick
So Microsoft tells us it is impossible to take e.g. all the media stuff out off Windows. But if I look at sheet 27 of the Usenix presentation it says that modules are built separately and thus suggests that they can be left out of an entire build. What do you think?
I can tell you that this ain't healthy stuff and the only way to keep your brain from melting is a decent amount of nice cool Heineken at nite to ease into dreamland.
Apart from the jetlag there is also a physical downside. Business class seats (or first class in the US) may sound comfortable but when you fly more than 150 times a year (mostly international) but they are not. My back broke down which had to be mended by quite a lovely physiotherapist (lucky upside)
The simple solution would have been to relocate but would anyone trade Amsterdam for Dallas :)
Lowlands
For enlightened, Linux-experienced people working across the industry (at the Big Five, System Integrators, dot.com, and big vendors like Lucent and Cisco) IBM's Linux strategy may be a career opportunity.
Is there a person or group within IBM available for these people in the US, Europe etc. to talk to or should those interested file their profile at http://www.activerecruiter.com/ibm/ ?