Thats a pretty poor statement you're running with.
As one of the unwashed masses that has dared to write a great many apps and tools in Perl, to include complete 3-tier systems, I have to tell you that besides pattern matching, Databases are second nature to Perl.
I can code any DB-driven app a Java coder can in less time with complete clarity and ease of maintenance. It can be done. I do it and enjoy it. Java is and always will be 75% marketing hype wrapped around a tool that has existed in various forms in different languages for some time. And please, don't pester me about JVMs and the promise of easy cross-platform. Perl uses a VM too (read up on the internals) and I can *actually* count on it to run everywhere.
Is Java a bad tool? No, I don't believe that. However, I do not agree with those that write off "mere scripting languages" as inferior. There are different problem domains, hence different languages. Java just happens to be the one language I know of that still hasn't found it's niche. It's a me-too language that has been (for the meantime) been shoe horned into a few server-side DB integration apps.
I would not use Perl for writing a UI (Tk is tedious) but I would consider it for core logic.
There are no elected officials to the FCC. Everyone is either appointed or a career bureacrat(sp?). Therefore our voice and ability to effect any change within the FCC is severly diluted.
I was never a fan of auctioning spectrum space to the highest bidder. But the FCC thought that would necessarily equate to the best companies with the best resources able to make "proper" use of that finite resource. Was the voting public consulted? Hell, we weren't even informed. Honestly, your elected representative likely does not know of the practice or even what a radio spectrum is.
When our founding fathers said REPUBLIC, they really meant it. We can directly influence only a vanishingly small percentage of our Government. Sure, it simplifies things but it also seems to be perceived as a tacit understanding that the public does not know what is best for it.
If the FCC goes too deeply into issues such as censorship, I would demand better representation in that agency.
It was Puritan society that established the first European foothold on this Continent. Are you surprised at how prudish American culture is? Why, it's an institution in the United States.
Guess what, mothers of America? Your child has already seen and probably performed many of the things you feel so abhorent. I mean how many kids are bussed to the local museum to see statues, paintings, and [gasp] dare I say nudity? And those Bible stories? Hey, didn't Abraham schtoop his maid and was blessed for it? That's Sunday school 101.
I received the old Radial Keratotomy surgery in 1997. I paid nothing for it, courtesy of the military and Naval medicine (I was in the Marine Corps). From my reading, it looks as if RK has been around since the mid 70's and pioneered in the Soviet Union.
RK has fallen out of fashion for the more exotic LASIK procedure. So, I cannot comment about LASIK. However, I can say that RK worked like a charm and rather immediately. My vision improved dramatically.
I do have a halo and starburst effect in very low light, normally when my eyes are quite tired. Otherwise, I do not notice any adverse effects.
Keep in mind that our eyes become more rigid over time and its geometry is always in flux. ANY eye surgery will have it's effect diluted over time. You only buy 10 or 15 years with your purchase.
Samba has been able to match pace with an ever-shifting target. I see no reason why MONO cannot adapt to any "extensions" Microsoft may attempt.
One could effectively argue that if this project truly becomes successful, It may be MS that becomes marginalized in an extension war. You just need a critical mass of Unix platform developers.
I'm actually very excited about this and plan to watch it closely. I use C# with the Visual Studio.Net IDE. Imagine being able to work cross-platofrm in that language. Now if MONO could just come up with a good GUI editor. Do they have one I'm not aware of?
And by the way, if you're not a teenager and you're looking to find what you can do to become a good engineer, you probably ought to find another career
Do you suppose that there are talented, creative people in other disciplines that haven't found their true calling yet? Should they be locked out of mid-life course corrections?
You should be in HR; they have a lot of people who believe that folks over 30 should consider a condo in Florida to finish out their last years.
I refuse to live my life on a linear career track.
My undergrad degree was with the University of Maryland while my graduate degree was from the University of Phoenix. How do I compare the two?
Well the UOP cost quite a bit more at $1500 per class. However, the degree was a gift to myself and my goals were a little different from my BS, where I was just trying to get my foot in the door for a decent job. The UOP classes were smaller, allowing me to actually interact with the faculty. What's more, I noticed no difference in the quality of instruction. Truth be told, I actually worked harder with the UOP, as I had to turn in more written work. Some of my undergrad courses consisted of merely two quizzes and a final.
I attended the UOP simply because my job did not allow me to attend more traditional courses; I worked odd hours.
Is my education worse because I was not lectured to by a TA (yes, that's what you often get) in a top-tier school? No. I learned a lot, primarliy from interaction with other students (the UOP stresses group interaction and projects). This was not a correspondance course, as some of you no doubt believe. It was very much what you would expect of any other institution minus the beer and dorms.
Sure, Google will never hire me but they wouldn't hire 99% of the rest of you, either. Be honest with yourself and consider if the name of the school on the diploma really ever gave you the measure of the man. Remember, Bush went to an Ivy League school. Would you hire him?
I'll finish with this: A lot of us teach ourselves what we need to know on a daily basis from books and code review. University for some of you guys would be a re-hash of old skills learned from an O'rielly book or past project. Do you want to be judged on the merits of where you learned universally-available material? Elitist would say you really know nothing unless it came from a 80-year-old lecture hall.
On-line courses are a good fit for the right student. It's my view it just takes a more motivated, genuinely mature individual to get through them.
Why does every OOP book start off discussing objects with the analogy of the automobile? That has got to be the number one method of describing classes of objects and inheritance.
Could it be that all those authors have affected our collective mindset? Hmmmm...
If someone could collect 5X damages for software error in a product like WinAmp (pro) software quality would not "Jump through the roof".
Instead, you would spawn a whole new type of litigious scum (a la SCO), who spent their entire day looking for the most obscure defects. This would make software UNPROFITABLE for me for you for everyone. Casual developers would disappear overnight and those willing to stay the course would have to charge exorbitant fees to amortize the effect of lawsuits.
The WinXP OS has the ability to periodically check for the availability of patches and other updates. All a user has to perform is the simple skill of reading the freakin dialog on his or her screen.
Isn't this the same as a recall? Sure you do not see the notification in your post office box but you do get it just the same.
Your organization is training its programmers in Java?
I thought the trend was hire a programmer for a project and then fire them at the end. If you need expertise in a different language, just hire it. I honestly did not know that there were organizations that retrained its people.
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Thank you. I am going to check it out.
Ah, the AC voice of tempered reason....anger and arrogance without any cogent offering to the group. That's what keeps me coming back :)
Ahem, cough, CPAN........
Thats a pretty poor statement you're running with.
As one of the unwashed masses that has dared to write a great many apps and tools in Perl, to include complete 3-tier systems, I have to tell you that besides pattern matching, Databases are second nature to Perl.
I can code any DB-driven app a Java coder can in less time with complete clarity and ease of maintenance. It can be done. I do it and enjoy it. Java is and always will be 75% marketing hype wrapped around a tool that has existed in various forms in different languages for some time. And please, don't pester me about JVMs and the promise of easy cross-platform. Perl uses a VM too (read up on the internals) and I can *actually* count on it to run everywhere.
Is Java a bad tool? No, I don't believe that. However, I do not agree with those that write off "mere scripting languages" as inferior. There are different problem domains, hence different languages. Java just happens to be the one language I know of that still hasn't found it's niche. It's a me-too language that has been (for the meantime) been shoe horned into a few server-side DB integration apps.
I would not use Perl for writing a UI (Tk is tedious) but I would consider it for core logic.
There are no elected officials to the FCC. Everyone is either appointed or a career bureacrat(sp?). Therefore our voice and ability to effect any change within the FCC is severly diluted.
I was never a fan of auctioning spectrum space to the highest bidder. But the FCC thought that would necessarily equate to the best companies with the best resources able to make "proper" use of that finite resource. Was the voting public consulted? Hell, we weren't even informed. Honestly, your elected representative likely does not know of the practice or even what a radio spectrum is.
When our founding fathers said REPUBLIC, they really meant it. We can directly influence only a vanishingly small percentage of our Government. Sure, it simplifies things but it also seems to be perceived as a tacit understanding that the public does not know what is best for it.
If the FCC goes too deeply into issues such as censorship, I would demand better representation in that agency.
It was Puritan society that established the first European foothold on this Continent. Are you surprised at how prudish American culture is? Why, it's an institution in the United States.
Guess what, mothers of America? Your child has already seen and probably performed many of the things you feel so abhorent. I mean how many kids are bussed to the local museum to see statues, paintings, and [gasp] dare I say nudity? And those Bible stories? Hey, didn't Abraham schtoop his maid and was blessed for it? That's Sunday school 101.
I'd hazard that it would really need to speak Hindi, given current trends.
I'd rather such a tool be available to developers at compile time. Users cannot effect a postive change in faulty software at any rate.
It's too late at that point. What went wrong? Umm, a coding error. Report it to the vendor.
About your Sig, Didn't Pournelle co-author that book?
Oh, it's been around for a while.
I received the old Radial Keratotomy surgery in 1997. I paid nothing for it, courtesy of the military and Naval medicine (I was in the Marine Corps). From my reading, it looks as if RK has been around since the mid 70's and pioneered in the Soviet Union.
RK has fallen out of fashion for the more exotic LASIK procedure. So, I cannot comment about LASIK. However, I can say that RK worked like a charm and rather immediately. My vision improved dramatically.
I do have a halo and starburst effect in very low light, normally when my eyes are quite tired. Otherwise, I do not notice any adverse effects.
Keep in mind that our eyes become more rigid over time and its geometry is always in flux. ANY eye surgery will have it's effect diluted over time. You only buy 10 or 15 years with your purchase.
Samba has been able to match pace with an ever-shifting target. I see no reason why MONO cannot adapt to any "extensions" Microsoft may attempt.
.Net IDE. Imagine being able to work cross-platofrm in that language. Now if MONO could just come up with a good GUI editor. Do they have one I'm not aware of?
One could effectively argue that if this project truly becomes successful, It may be MS that becomes marginalized in an extension war. You just need a critical mass of Unix platform developers.
I'm actually very excited about this and plan to watch it closely. I use C# with the Visual Studio
I love your .Sig.
Have you considered prefixing it with "Be it ever so humble?"
No no no,
The correct question is....wait for it.....what would a Beowulf cluster of those be like?
[insert rim shot...profit(?)]
And by the way, if you're not a teenager and you're looking to find what you can do to become a good engineer, you probably ought to find another career
Do you suppose that there are talented, creative people in other disciplines that haven't found their true calling yet? Should they be locked out of mid-life course corrections?
You should be in HR; they have a lot of people who believe that folks over 30 should consider a condo in Florida to finish out their last years.
I refuse to live my life on a linear career track.
I'm a beta tester on that project and I can tell you for certain that........damn, I'm hungry....
And what would that language happen to be ;)
A Joke?
My undergrad degree was with the University of Maryland while my graduate degree was from the University of Phoenix. How do I compare the two?
Well the UOP cost quite a bit more at $1500 per class. However, the degree was a gift to myself and my goals were a little different from my BS, where I was just trying to get my foot in the door for a decent job. The UOP classes were smaller, allowing me to actually interact with the faculty. What's more, I noticed no difference in the quality of instruction. Truth be told, I actually worked harder with the UOP, as I had to turn in more written work. Some of my undergrad courses consisted of merely two quizzes and a final.
I attended the UOP simply because my job did not allow me to attend more traditional courses; I worked odd hours.
Is my education worse because I was not lectured to by a TA (yes, that's what you often get) in a top-tier school? No. I learned a lot, primarliy from interaction with other students (the UOP stresses group interaction and projects). This was not a correspondance course, as some of you no doubt believe. It was very much what you would expect of any other institution minus the beer and dorms.
Sure, Google will never hire me but they wouldn't hire 99% of the rest of you, either. Be honest with yourself and consider if the name of the school on the diploma really ever gave you the measure of the man. Remember, Bush went to an Ivy League school. Would you hire him?
I'll finish with this: A lot of us teach ourselves what we need to know on a daily basis from books and code review. University for some of you guys would be a re-hash of old skills learned from an O'rielly book or past project. Do you want to be judged on the merits of where you learned universally-available material? Elitist would say you really know nothing unless it came from a 80-year-old lecture hall.
On-line courses are a good fit for the right student. It's my view it just takes a more motivated, genuinely mature individual to get through them.
No,
.Sig read by Anonymous Cowards. My focus was on adding to the discussion.
I'm not posting to be funny or have my
If you want comedy, turn on your TV. Otherwise, stop wasting bandwidth.
No,
I hate all people who generalize...what sig are you reading?
Why does every OOP book start off discussing objects with the analogy of the automobile? That has got to be the number one method of describing classes of objects and inheritance.
Could it be that all those authors have affected our collective mindset? Hmmmm...
Rediculous,
If someone could collect 5X damages for software error in a product like WinAmp (pro) software quality would not "Jump through the roof".
Instead, you would spawn a whole new type of litigious scum (a la SCO), who spent their entire day looking for the most obscure defects. This would make software UNPROFITABLE for me for you for everyone. Casual developers would disappear overnight and those willing to stay the course would have to charge exorbitant fees to amortize the effect of lawsuits.
But they do exactly that!
The WinXP OS has the ability to periodically check for the availability of patches and other updates. All a user has to perform is the simple skill of reading the freakin dialog on his or her screen.
Isn't this the same as a recall? Sure you do not see the notification in your post office box but you do get it just the same.
Cytoman Dude,
Thank you so much for that golden link. My stuff is on its way soon. I owe you some free (as in beer).
Damn you,
Do you realize I got blamed for that? Thanks loads, buddy.
Well Spoken,
I was merely pointing out the rationale for Jython happening in the first place. It wasn't my intent to weigh in on the relative merits of it.
Your organization is training its programmers in Java?
I thought the trend was hire a programmer for a project and then fire them at the end. If you need expertise in a different language, just hire it. I honestly did not know that there were organizations that retrained its people.
Would you say this is outside the norm?