Since the vast majority of Android's oft-touted "superior marketshare" numbers is made up of these kinds of shitbox phones, if other OEMs follow suit, you'll soon see the real reason why the Android platform has so many phones in the wild, vs. Apple.
so *that's* the sick twisted reason why apple got rid of the headphone jack. they don't want any FREE competition for their itunes. no headphone wire, no fm radio capability even if their radio chip has one built-in. those fucking bastards.
Oh, FFS. Just STOP IT. JEEZUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST YOU'RE IGNORANT.
That would be a valid argument in the product development stage.
The FM receiver is already in your phone. It's just been disabled at the request of carriers so they can make more money via data plans used to listen to music, or in the case of Apple because the manufacturer makes money from streaming services.
Bullshit. Apple doesn't bother with the FM section in its WiFi/BT module, because their own market research with the iPod Nano with the FM radio shows that nobody cares, and it's just one more standards-compliance-procedure to deal with, worldwide.
I would wonder more about whether the new FCC Chair has financial ties to the NextRadioApp people.
Given the rest of Trump's cronies, that is a far more likely possibility.
Hey Tim, upon reflection, I do owe you some thanks for correcting some of the facts I placed out there..
OK X-serves did remain in production for over a year, but I think the other person did bring up a good counter point "To whom were they sold to?"
To be upfront the original argument was around the conjectured reasoning behind Apples move from SF to SJ, so lets stick with that ok..
Enjoy California.
Yeah, like SIXTEEN TIMES longer than the 6 months you originally claimed.;-)
They sold a bunch to some Universities. I think Virginia Tech even made a supercomputer out of a roomful of them.
Beyond that, they had some success with some Rendering Farms for a couple of movie-industry companies. Can't remember any names off hand. But they couldn't compete head to head with Linux in that market due to cost considerations.
Unfortunately, they never got serious traction in business, mostly due to price; but they were a fine piece of tech, built with Apple's usual insane attention to detail, and I really wish they had made the transition to Intel.
So Tim,
Based on how the the point system has jumped up all of a sudden, I have to ask, can you hide the fact that you may be moderator any better?? Promoting you own agenda..
Dude relax, no need to immaturely flex your muscle. What ever the last guy pointed out is pretty fact on.. How you blew out my intentions into a hardware discussion is far beyond me, when the subject matter was about how the WWDC is moving to SJ versus SF due to budgetary issues.
Being that certain things are legal in California, perhaps you may want to take advantage of that.
What that on the table, I think it's time for me to GTFO, I've go something better to focus my attention on.
Microsoft Access is a database tool that borrows heavily from VB6, sold as part of some Microsoft Office skus.
Microsoft Access is a Database tool that borrows heavily from Microsoft File, which forked into Access and Claris FileMaker. All this was LOOOOOOONG before VB6, whippersnapper!
Correct. Except that it didn't, doesn't, won't ever, and in this case also Apple backflipped on their original "explanation". Learn your history fanboi.
Fingerprint data never leaves the TouchID Chip built into the Home Button. And I don't think it even keeps an image of the fingerprint(s), per se; just some sort of ID-hashing code.
The real problem is that iOS tends to copy the shitty features of Android where as Android tends to take the good features from iOS.
The virtual buttons are a shitty feature. WTF is this obsessive need to get rid of physical buttons with tactile feedback? Its great that they can be changed, but I'd like to be able to do a few things without 100% attention to the screen constantly.
I'm a physical being. Not everything has to be software.
Benefits Annoyances
The physical button is taking up quite a bit of potential front-panel area.
Think about it: The button on my iPhone 6 Plus is about 9 mm in diameter. That's bad enough; but the real issue is that it sits in an area that is completely unused on either side of that button. If the "button" is emulated by the already touch-sensitive display, then the ENTIRE area can be used as DISPLAY area, with a simple Gesture, or small on-screen button used to bring up Springboard (the App Launcher) and its dedicated, emulated "Home" button area.
Voila! You have just increased your effective Display area!
The iPhone thumb has a 48 hour timeout where if you haven't typed in your password in 48 hours the thumb doesn't work. Police in the USA can hold you for 24 hours so odds are the police won't be able to unlock your phone and will be locked out by password by the time they get around to you.
The police can force you to physically touch your thumb or other biometric to the phone to open it. They could easily do this within your 48 hours time limit.....
So far to point, they still cannot pry into your mind to get your code(s)....
That and I just would rather NOT share my fingerprints anymore than I have to, especially with a company....who knows what database that will end up on.
Fingerprint data never leaves the TouchID Chip built into the Home Button. And I don't think it even keeps an image of the fingerprint(s), per se; just some sort of ID-hashing code.
apple announces wwdc2017, but yet looking at the articles I notice the article about facebook it over shadows..
16 to 13 comments, and the gap gets bigger.. Ya, the Shine from the apple name is getting tarnished quik..
Like their server platform, it looks nice, but does it function? Does it bring the same features at a similar pricepoint to its brethren?
NO
Could it have? Yes if Apple was not involved.
I think the "X-serve" platform lasted 6 months..
Apple's sales figures only tell us anything useful here if there is substantial competition from other suppliers whose products are different in these respects but otherwise similar, and if the differences are understood by the market and so potentially influencing purchasing decisions. Do you think that is the case?
I think that if the general populace gave a shit, AND Apple's products were different as regard to "Repairability" (both of which are almost assuredly FALSE), then there might be an affect on Apple's sales. But:
The populace, by and large, could give a shit.
Everyone's phones are essentially unrepairable, with the exception of batteries and displays. Everything else is too custom/small/impossible to change due to SMT.
If you SELL me something, it's mine. You don't have to sell me documentation, you don't have to make replacement parts available, but there's only one reason to stop me from repairing it myself and that's so you can squeeze more money out of me.
Try renting instead of selling, then you can do whatever the hell you want, otherwise all you get to do is void any remaining warranty and refuse responsibility for damage caused by end-user repair.
It's about time consumers started lynching CEOs over shit like this.
Any company whose continued growth, (or possibly even its continued existence), depends on artificial scarcity, is going to fight like hell to maintain the scarcity. Those who are being pillaged by the artificial scarcity, should do their best to tear it down.
To decide which of these two sides you should support, ask yourself which you care about more - a sustainable Earth with sufficient natural resources and a hospitable-enough climate to foster future generations, or the profits of a short-term-gain-for-long-term-pain corporatocracy run by parasitic Ponzi scheme addicts? And no, 'both of the above' isn't an option.
Apple is coming down firmly on the side of 'sell you lots of shiny now and make all our heirs pay for it'. Fuck Apple.
Rather than force Apple to provide this, I'd love to see companies like Haynes and Chiltons get into the phone repair manual business. Their manuals for automotive repair have always been based on a complete tear-down and rebuild, rather than the manufacturer giving them any instructions, and they could do the same for phones. This would also create a demand for OEM parts to use, the tools for performing the repairs, and places to sell them. This free market solution would create a lot of jobs, and just like with cars, people would still buy new phones every few years, when it grows tiresome to keep repairing their existing one.
Unfortunately, corporations care nothing for the free market, except for whichever aspect of it contributes to their bottom line on whichever given day. They will just continue to use their money to fight for or against laws, as they benefit or threaten them, without any regard to right and wrong, or consistency.
Howard Sams, and Co., located where I live in Indianapolis, had a nice business for decades selling aftermarket repair info for all sorts of electronic equipement. Really fantastic, detailed stuff.
Where are they now? Bankrupt and out of business, I think about 25 years ago at this point.
Why?
Two reasons:
1. Equipment simply became too complex for the average person to even think about repairing.
2. People just stopped WANTING to "repair the unrepairable".
I hope Apple will prevail and prevent this bullshit to become a law.
Apart from general problem with forcing actual private company to produce something it doesn't want to produce which will inevitably damage consumers in some way how do you want to enforce it?
Will there be price controls on spare parts?
And how do you even judge whether the product is 'reparable'? Will there be some committee that would have to approve that or how do you enforce it otherwise?
Consumer electronics market is one of the few where government didn't manage to f*** things up too much because it didn't interfere. I guess it's time to change it we had it too good.
I remember Crapple making it so expensive to repair your phone that it was cheaper to upgrade. Their thoughts.... we'll sell more phones! Now people are fixing their own and Crapple is crying.
Not true because competitors that make those parts will just undercut Apple and get all the sale. Practically every single part Apple makes, you can buy off the shelf. The only thing you can't buy is stuff like the custom plastic case/parts which is not usually what people are trying to repair anyway.
I think that you may be the only one who is confused. Right to repair laws don't require any design changes in order to make things easier to repair. They simply require that parts are available for purchase and instructions are obtainable.
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Since the vast majority of Android's oft-touted "superior marketshare" numbers is made up of these kinds of shitbox phones, if other OEMs follow suit, you'll soon see the real reason why the Android platform has so many phones in the wild, vs. Apple.
so *that's* the sick twisted reason why apple got rid of the headphone jack. they don't want any FREE competition for their itunes. no headphone wire, no fm radio capability even if their radio chip has one built-in. those fucking bastards.
Oh, FFS. Just STOP IT. JEEZUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST YOU'RE IGNORANT.
When I listen to the radio it's usually for news, weather, and traffic. ...
I listen to the radio so I don't have to look at fat, ugly humans in high-definition.
Take the mirror off the front of your TV set.
That would be a valid argument in the product development stage. The FM receiver is already in your phone. It's just been disabled at the request of carriers so they can make more money via data plans used to listen to music, or in the case of Apple because the manufacturer makes money from streaming services.
Bullshit. Apple doesn't bother with the FM section in its WiFi/BT module, because their own market research with the iPod Nano with the FM radio shows that nobody cares, and it's just one more standards-compliance-procedure to deal with, worldwide.
I would wonder more about whether the new FCC Chair has financial ties to the NextRadioApp people.
Given the rest of Trump's cronies, that is a far more likely possibility.
Hey Tim, upon reflection, I do owe you some thanks for correcting some of the facts I placed out there.. OK X-serves did remain in production for over a year, but I think the other person did bring up a good counter point "To whom were they sold to?" To be upfront the original argument was around the conjectured reasoning behind Apples move from SF to SJ, so lets stick with that ok.. Enjoy California.
Yeah, like SIXTEEN TIMES longer than the 6 months you originally claimed. ;-)
They sold a bunch to some Universities. I think Virginia Tech even made a supercomputer out of a roomful of them.
Beyond that, they had some success with some Rendering Farms for a couple of movie-industry companies. Can't remember any names off hand. But they couldn't compete head to head with Linux in that market due to cost considerations.
Unfortunately, they never got serious traction in business, mostly due to price; but they were a fine piece of tech, built with Apple's usual insane attention to detail, and I really wish they had made the transition to Intel.
So Tim, Based on how the the point system has jumped up all of a sudden, I have to ask, can you hide the fact that you may be moderator any better?? Promoting you own agenda.. Dude relax, no need to immaturely flex your muscle. What ever the last guy pointed out is pretty fact on.. How you blew out my intentions into a hardware discussion is far beyond me, when the subject matter was about how the WWDC is moving to SJ versus SF due to budgetary issues. Being that certain things are legal in California, perhaps you may want to take advantage of that. What that on the table, I think it's time for me to GTFO, I've go something better to focus my attention on.
Could you express that in English, please?
That's the history of the project, I gave you the current state.
Since Access came significantly before VB (and especially VB6), I would say your "borrowed" pointer is facing the wrong direction, don'tcha think?
Microsoft Access is a database tool that borrows heavily from VB6, sold as part of some Microsoft Office skus.
Microsoft Access is a Database tool that borrows heavily from Microsoft File, which forked into Access and Claris FileMaker. All this was LOOOOOOONG before VB6, whippersnapper!
Correct. Except that it didn't, doesn't, won't ever, and in this case also Apple backflipped on their original "explanation". Learn your history fanboi.
WTF are you even saying?
Oh, and "Citation, Please".
And you trust them to keep to this...?
Yes. Yes I do.
The real problem is that iOS tends to copy the shitty features of Android where as Android tends to take the good features from iOS.
The virtual buttons are a shitty feature. WTF is this obsessive need to get rid of physical buttons with tactile feedback? Its great that they can be changed, but I'd like to be able to do a few things without 100% attention to the screen constantly.
I'm a physical being. Not everything has to be software.
Benefits Annoyances
The physical button is taking up quite a bit of potential front-panel area.
Think about it: The button on my iPhone 6 Plus is about 9 mm in diameter. That's bad enough; but the real issue is that it sits in an area that is completely unused on either side of that button. If the "button" is emulated by the already touch-sensitive display, then the ENTIRE area can be used as DISPLAY area, with a simple Gesture, or small on-screen button used to bring up Springboard (the App Launcher) and its dedicated, emulated "Home" button area.
Voila! You have just increased your effective Display area!
The police can force you to physically touch your thumb or other biometric to the phone to open it. They could easily do this within your 48 hours time limit.....
So far to point, they still cannot pry into your mind to get your code(s)....
That and I just would rather NOT share my fingerprints anymore than I have to, especially with a company....who knows what database that will end up on.
Fingerprint data never leaves the TouchID Chip built into the Home Button. And I don't think it even keeps an image of the fingerprint(s), per se; just some sort of ID-hashing code.
apple announces wwdc2017, but yet looking at the articles I notice the article about facebook it over shadows.. 16 to 13 comments, and the gap gets bigger.. Ya, the Shine from the apple name is getting tarnished quik.. Like their server platform, it looks nice, but does it function? Does it bring the same features at a similar pricepoint to its brethren? NO Could it have? Yes if Apple was not involved. I think the "X-serve" platform lasted 6 months..
Keep thinking, Hater.
XServes were sold from 2002 to January 2011.
That sounds more like 8 years to me...
Now GTFO.
Apple's sales figures only tell us anything useful here if there is substantial competition from other suppliers whose products are different in these respects but otherwise similar, and if the differences are understood by the market and so potentially influencing purchasing decisions. Do you think that is the case?
I think that if the general populace gave a shit, AND Apple's products were different as regard to "Repairability" (both of which are almost assuredly FALSE), then there might be an affect on Apple's sales. But:
The populace, by and large, could give a shit.
Everyone's phones are essentially unrepairable, with the exception of batteries and displays. Everything else is too custom/small/impossible to change due to SMT.
If you SELL me something, it's mine. You don't have to sell me documentation, you don't have to make replacement parts available, but there's only one reason to stop me from repairing it myself and that's so you can squeeze more money out of me.
Try renting instead of selling, then you can do whatever the hell you want, otherwise all you get to do is void any remaining warranty and refuse responsibility for damage caused by end-user repair.
It's about time consumers started lynching CEOs over shit like this.
Bullshit.
Thanks, I needed that.
Oh, and I notice that, true to Slashtard form, your original post was modded "Flamebait". Sigh.
Again, LOL! The Haters always win...
Any company whose continued growth, (or possibly even its continued existence), depends on artificial scarcity, is going to fight like hell to maintain the scarcity. Those who are being pillaged by the artificial scarcity, should do their best to tear it down.
To decide which of these two sides you should support, ask yourself which you care about more - a sustainable Earth with sufficient natural resources and a hospitable-enough climate to foster future generations, or the profits of a short-term-gain-for-long-term-pain corporatocracy run by parasitic Ponzi scheme addicts? And no, 'both of the above' isn't an option.
Apple is coming down firmly on the side of 'sell you lots of shiny now and make all our heirs pay for it'. Fuck Apple.
Bullshit.
Rather than force Apple to provide this, I'd love to see companies like Haynes and Chiltons get into the phone repair manual business. Their manuals for automotive repair have always been based on a complete tear-down and rebuild, rather than the manufacturer giving them any instructions, and they could do the same for phones. This would also create a demand for OEM parts to use, the tools for performing the repairs, and places to sell them. This free market solution would create a lot of jobs, and just like with cars, people would still buy new phones every few years, when it grows tiresome to keep repairing their existing one. Unfortunately, corporations care nothing for the free market, except for whichever aspect of it contributes to their bottom line on whichever given day. They will just continue to use their money to fight for or against laws, as they benefit or threaten them, without any regard to right and wrong, or consistency.
Howard Sams, and Co., located where I live in Indianapolis, had a nice business for decades selling aftermarket repair info for all sorts of electronic equipement. Really fantastic, detailed stuff.
Where are they now? Bankrupt and out of business, I think about 25 years ago at this point.
Why?
Two reasons:
1. Equipment simply became too complex for the average person to even think about repairing.
2. People just stopped WANTING to "repair the unrepairable".
I'm still here after all these decades, and I'm still here saying fuck Apple!
No. Fuck YOU.
I hope Apple will prevail and prevent this bullshit to become a law. Apart from general problem with forcing actual private company to produce something it doesn't want to produce which will inevitably damage consumers in some way how do you want to enforce it? Will there be price controls on spare parts? And how do you even judge whether the product is 'reparable'? Will there be some committee that would have to approve that or how do you enforce it otherwise? Consumer electronics market is one of the few where government didn't manage to f*** things up too much because it didn't interfere. I guess it's time to change it we had it too good.
Exactly.
I remember Crapple making it so expensive to repair your phone that it was cheaper to upgrade. Their thoughts.... we'll sell more phones! Now people are fixing their own and Crapple is crying.
Bullshit.
Not true because competitors that make those parts will just undercut Apple and get all the sale. Practically every single part Apple makes, you can buy off the shelf. The only thing you can't buy is stuff like the custom plastic case/parts which is not usually what people are trying to repair anyway.
Really? Where are you going to buy that A10 SoC?
... except fuck Apple. Their whole business model seems to be planned obsolescence and non-repairability. Hey, just buy a new one!
Bullshit.
Microsoft was still in the theft stage at that point,
Wait. They left that stage? When?
I think that you may be the only one who is confused. Right to repair laws don't require any design changes in order to make things easier to repair. They simply require that parts are available for purchase and instructions are obtainable.
WOOSH!!!