You call me an idiot, and you can't even spell "Masturbate"?
Apple is not "restricting" anything, you pompous fool.
The DisplayPort 1.2 Standard that is embedded in TB3 is what controls how many Displays-per-Port; not Apple.
And as far as "Artificially Restricting", I assume you are talking about the fact that the Dual-Core CPUs used in the MBP 13 have only enough PCI-e Lanes IN THE CPU to support 60 Gbps of I/O, rather than the 80 Gbps that the Quad-Core CPUs used in the 15 inchers do. So, talk to Intel about that. Besides, do you really think that Apple shouldn't have "Good/Better/Best" models?
While you are correct that there are a BUNCH of TB3 Docks "Coming Soon", there ARE a few Thunderbolt 3 Docks available NOW. No judgement as to quality or Compatibility with the MBP; but they DO profess to be TB 3, not USB-C:
And that's what I found IN STOCK in a five-minute search.
Oh, and the Dell TB-16 looks pretty interesting; but I don't know if it is really out yet.
By the way, if you can break-out a SINGLE USB-C Port into 3 USB 3.0, 4k HDMI, Gig Ethernet, etc., AT ONE TIME, who CARES if you can't use that ONE Port for TB 3?
You're just TRYING to find things to be pissed-off about.
And by "At no charge," you mean "At a charge which was already factored into the purchase price."
You paid for your free upgrades when you bought your phone, and people's concern here is for Apple intentionally making older devices unusable with a forced OS update, thereby also forcing a new phone purchase which includes the cost of another round of phone updates. Rinse, repeat until the user finally wises up and stops buying Apple crap. Sadly, most never do so.
Really?
Then Samsung must REALLY be gouging; since the GN7 was actually MORE EXPENSIVE than an iPhone 7 Plus, and that's with essentially NO Upgrades, and with the Purchase Price theoretically subsidized in part by Carrier Bloatware deals, right?
I did a whole bunch of research prior to upgrading my computer at work, and it's clear that Apple has *really* botched their latest Macbooks. We're already, what? 5 months post release and the number of available USB-C devices are laughably small. Which I guess makes sense, since they are too damn cheap to provide a sufficient number of USB-C ports on the machines themselves. If you're going to produce a laptop that is essentially useless without an entire drawer-full of external adapters, then you need to have a full lineup of those friggin adapters, hubs, docking stations, etc.
If that wasn't bad enough, the stuff that does exist are garbage. For example, look at the reviews for the HDMI USB-C connector. 1/5. The thing loses connection if you so much as look at it wrong.
And now this nonsense with a $1300 monitor that was explicitly recommended by Apple.
This is flat out unacceptable. Period. The whole point of paying the Apple premium is that you have assurance that everything Just Works(tm). Apparently Apple doesn't care about that anymore.
So my final decision was to buy a refurb of last years model. I get to reuse the existing hoard of adapters I already have, and it still has a normal USB port, magsafe power, HDMI and an SD card slot.
The reason why you haven't seen a flood of printers and scanners, etc. with USB-C is because they simply don't need it.
However, If you had actually done any research, you would know that USB-C is 100% compatible with USB 1.0 to 3.0, and therefore a $6 USB-C to USB-B cable ($8 for the USB 3.0 version) (both completely passive) is all you need to magically transform your existing USB printer, scanner, etc.into a USB-C-compatible device. That's it; no updated drivers, no fancy adapter dongles, NOTHING. Or, you can simply snap a $2.50 PASSIVE USB-C to USB-A adapter onto the end of the existing USB-A cable, and be done with it.
As for devices that could benefit with having USB-C natively, either for speed, like HDDs and SDDs, or for convenience (USB Sticks), there are already several choices, with more coming every week. Here's a sample:
Yes, that's what I said. When they design their cores, they have to do so with more than one fab technology in mind, so they can't do the Intel thing of carefully tuning their designs to the underlying process.
Ok, thanks.
But as you noted, they are still whipping all over Qualcomm et al in their ARM-based SoC designs.
Except the A9X doesn't have an ARM core, which is what the parent was talking about. It's a chip that implements the ARM instruction set. Big difference.
IP cores from ARM Holdings Inc, today, do not compete with Intel. Nor do any of the other ARM cores around (e.g. Qualcomm's, Nvidia's). But it seems Apple right now has better engineers than all of those and is actually managing to design ARM-compatible cores that are starting to be comparable to Intel chips.
That's kind of an interesting way to look at it; but you're right, Qualcomm COULD compete with Apple at this game; but only seems to be able to design slow, power-hungry SoC's that look quite sad next to Apple's.
I just think it's interesting that Apple was distant from the Intel ecosystem up to ~15 years ago or so... back when they made the move from PowerPC to x86. With that change came a (relatively) large influx of development because now it was easier to write the low-level code (drivers, compilers, etc...). Now Apple wants to go back to the old ways?
Is there any benefit other than avoiding some bulk-buy Intel tax?
Apple got burned by IBM not delivering on promises with the G5, and was held back by that, causing the jump from PPC to x86.
They feel like they are being held back by Intel now.
This very much harkens back to the way Jobs felt when IBM wasn't keeping their promise to deliver a 3 GHz PPC, and a "mobile" version of the G5.
Apple feels very much constrained by Intel's slow drip of progress with their CPUs, and VERY pissed-off about them blowing the timeline for the quad core Kaby Lakes for mobile use.
I personally hope that it is either just sabre-rattling on Apple's part, or at least that Apple will build an x86 emulation mode into the CPU. If they don't, that would be very stupid strategically; because having code-compatibility with Intel is essential at this point.
But buying Intel and turning them into a Mac-only vendor would be fun to watch...
1. 80 Gbps of raw, multifunctional I/O bandwidth. Nearly TWICE that of any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
If it had a port to check my car's tire pressure that would also be a feature that no other laptop has, at any price. In other words: so what?
This falls into the category of shit I don't need and can't use with any equipment i own or am likely to own this year. The multifunctional i/o bandwidth available in other laptops is fine. Apple going to 11 on this feature is all fine and dandy but it lacks the features users actually need and want.
You, sir, are an unmitigated moron.
What you fail to see is that USB-C is truly coming, and coming fast. How long do you think people will keep their 2016 MBP. Well, contrary to the Haters' Claim that all Mac users MUST Upgrade each and every chance they get, because "Ooh, shiny!", most Mac users KEEP their Laptops for an average of five to seven years.
How many USB-A devices do you think will be on the market at that time?
2. 5k Internal Display on 15" model (I think the 13" is 4k?) I believe that is UNIQUE relative to any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
UNIQUE yes. UNIQUELY pointless. Its just more "Innovation" nobody cares about. Do you have 5k content? No? So who cares? At 15" will it look any better than 4k display? No? So who cares?
Ah, the old "My Use Case is EVERYONE'S Use Case" meme. Glad to see you!
This is a PRO Laptop, made for PROs. Guess what? Some of them actually DO 4k/5k video editing and other PRO-level and CPU/GPU intensive-tasks at this point. And again, since Mac users KEEP their computers (because they aren't plastic shitboxes that fall apart after a year), how much 4k and 5k video do you think will be around by THEN???
What a Slashtard.
3. UNIQUE, Custom, Apple-Designed SSD Controller with the highest Read/Write performance in the industry.
I'd far rather a COTS module I can replace in 2 years for $200 for with a 4TB one. I'm willing to give up a few % points of performance for that. My 2011 Macbook pro is still useful to me (my family at least) because I was able to upgrade the RAM and SSD. This new one? Sure its a few points faster... but its stupidly overrpiced for the marginal improvement in speed, and you're stuck with whatever capacity you get today forever. I don't object to the existence of this tech as an option for people who want it... but does apple give you the option? Nope. If you want an MBP you have to have this overpriced tech whether you want it or not, whether you need it or not, whether you'd be happier with COTS SSD or not.
It's not "just a few points". It's nearly DOUBLE even last year's model, which was already much faster than any SSD you could put in your 2011 MBP. Do I wish it were replaceable? Yeah, sure. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Next!
4. Ability to natively drive up to FOUR 4k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, or up to TWO 5k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, more than any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
But no native ability to connect to even one HDMI projector in the customer or hotel meeting rooms without carrying a bag of accessories. Swing and a miss.
Again, you're a unmitigated MORON.
Go to Amazon. No need to carry "a bag of accessories". Just buy something like THIS, or
Idiot. Myopic. Retard. 5k content? Well mr retard, text and web briwsing, and programming will be much clearer. Screen recording will be 5k. Fucking so stupid you are.
Idiot asshole. Touch at. By default is the function keys. Then app like Final Cut Pro use it which is very useful for scrubbing etc. even for youtube. You fucking retard.
Usbc and nonports. Sucks but my mac lasts over 5 years. 2 years from now everything will be usbc. And my mac will not be running the last gen significantly slower ports. Fucking geez you are so stupid.
In fact because you don't really produce anything and are poor so you can't see past your shit sub par equipment. Never mind. Stupid. Like really stupid people like you will never ever get it. But you don't count in the real world. You don't matter. You don't produce anything. You are shit.
For once I agree with an AC. Bravo on "Getting it"!
Apple's biggest problem is that they see Ives as the second coming of Jobs and keep letting him focus on nothing but thinness and lightness. Professionals don't care if their machine has to be a little heavier and thicker if it can accomplish the job they need it to, but Apple's modus operandi is telling people what they need rather than actually fulfilling the market need.
The new MBP is evidence of this. It's thinner and lighter and had to make hardware compromises for it. Less ports. 16GB of RAM cap. Battery life that's okay but not even at the same level as the previous machine from years ago.
Further they're screwing up in the release cycle. Professionals often can't wait multiple years between upgrades, and without a proper release cadence a professional needs to guess (and potentially bet the farm) on when to upgrade. That doesn't leave them with confidence. Couple that with a bad cycle and you have a lot of very legitimately spooked people.
It's gotten good; the pencil on the iPad Pro is something I've waited a very long time for, if Microsoft can get it's performance close I'll probably go. I need a real computer and iOS is horribly handicapped (no xcode). The surface has a real keyboard, the iPad pro is a silicone joke.
OS wise,it matters less than it used to; I don't care, and I always have to have a windows machine for any type of 3D work,modelling, or VR.
This is how the system is supposed to work.. competition.
Here's hoping Apple gets it together. I love my phone, but it seems Apple is now a phone company and not a computer company. They don't have a single computer that can even pretend to run a virtual reality setup.
Dumb. Apple the Phone Company. That's what has happened. Sad.
Work just provided me with a new laptop. It was my choice and I selected a new MBP 15 inch. My reasons are longevity - my last MBP, which I own, lasted more than 4 years, and I am still using it. OSX is an excellent operating system. I sometimes go months without rebooting and I use the machine 8+ hours each day. I can also run Windows on my MBP. I prefer VMWare Fusion for my virtual machines but Parallels is fine too.
Had I selected a Windows laptop, I would have only a Windows laptop. Having the MBP allows me to test and develop against both platforms. It also provides me with a way to run the less expensive versions of any commercial software, should there be a difference in cost.
So, while Windows licensing sales may be up, there is no way to know where those OS's are running. Heck, it could be that folks are buying licenses to run on their Macs.
Exactly.
Now watch as you get Punish-Modded down into the dirt by the Apple-Haters.
Don't forget about removing the key on laptops to delete the character in front of the cursor. (you have to press 2 keys to do this super common function)
Don't forget about removing older style USB ports from their "pro" laptop that are almost in ubiquitous use.
Don't forget about how IOS and OS X still for some bizarre reason don't cooperate especially well and they don't provide a cable for their smartphone to plug into their "pro" laptop out of the box.
Apple seems to have forgotten that good design is about a lot more than a pretty case and some fancy fonts and the latest interface fads. Form should always follow function and they are forgetting about function in a lot of places.
* Removal of the escape key from macbook pros
* No significant hardware refresh in years
* Soldering everything to the PCBs to prevent consumer repair
Microsoft is left in the dust when it comes to damaging the Mac's marketshare. There's no way they can hurt Apple more than Apple is hurting themselves. Just give it time guys, no need to bother with posturing and boasting. Apple will do it to themselves.
All my friends have ditched Windows 10 and gone to MacOS.
Several have lost work due to updates and reboots. These aren't IT people.
The spying and constant messing around with the system were enough for them.
OSX/MacOS isn't perfect but for them it is a whole lot better for average users than W10.
Microsoft is only shooting itself in the foot while its opponents over at apple have somehow lodged their guns into their own rectums. Its not so much that microsoft is winning the battle, as apple is just failing worse.
I care about the hardware too and there still isn't a real improvement out there to the 2012 15 inch macbook pro I already have. I'm still waiting on an actual hardware upgrade after 5 years.
I was with you until the last sentence. Frankly, it's been a while that I've looked at MacOS, but it was always ways superior to Windows since I can remember. And paradoxically Apple used to always make their profits with hardware (which has now become meh, I suppose). Has any of this changed so much? Did I miss something?
No it has not changed. You missed nothing.
The hardware is great, with year-over-year improvements on just the MacBook Pro, and soon to be coming to the Desktop line, now that Intel has gotten their thumb out of their asses on their CPUs a little bit.
UNIQUE features, found in NO OTHER LAPTOP for the 2016 MacBook Pros (esp. the 15"):
1. 80 Gbps of raw, multifunctional I/O bandwidth. Nearly TWICE that of any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
2. 5k Internal Display on 15" model (I think the 13" is 4k?) I believe that is UNIQUE relative to any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
3. UNIQUE, Custom, Apple-Designed SSD Controller with the highest Read/Write performance in the industry.
4. Ability to natively drive up to FOUR 4k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, or up to TWO 5k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, more than any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
5. UNIQUE, multitouch, multifunctional Touch Bar interface, that not only replaces the Function keys, but also allows Applications and the OS to present the user with unique, custom controls that do not take up screen real-estate.
6. The largest Trackpad in the known universe;-)
7. TouchID, with ApplePay and App Store Support, as well as several other OS and Application-Level functions.
Now, Add to that the improvements over even just last year's model; which are, all of the above items, PLUS:
1. MUCH better Thermal Management, which allows the CPU and GPU to run full-speed, essentially as long as power is available. The 2015 MBP had SEVERE "Throttling" problems, which seriously compromised performance in high-demand applications.
2. Thinner and lighter than the previous model (which DOES matter to more people than you would imagine)
3. Redesigned, improved keyboard (people who have owned both the 2015 and 1016 MBPs report the new keyboard makes the old one feel "mushy").
4. USB-C and TB3 support.
5. MUCH improved speakers.
6. Three microphones in the 15" model, which helps with speech-recognition. Important, since Siri is now part of macOS.
And if you will notice, those are ALL solid, engineering improvements, with the possible exception of the size and weight reduction (which also took no small-amount of re-engineering).
So, as you can see, Apple has HARDLY "abandoned the Mac". And I haven't even talked about the improvements to macOS...
15 to 30mA for music streaming, which depends on range and how crowded the 2.4GHz band is. There is no getting around this, no amount of clever power management will help. Radios use power, Bluetooth mandates the time that the radio must be turned on, it just can't go significantly lower. So no matter how efficient the CPU and everything else is, all day on 10% is impossible.
What did I tell you about JUST looking at datasheets and trying to infer an embedded SYSTEM's requirements/performance?
You are the one that brought BT into this. Apple's battery-life tests were no doubt done with no headset of any type, or with the wired headset. Of course, using BT earpieces would bring that down a little. Now, LynwoodRooster, who claims to be a designer of BT devices, sez the iFixit teardown of the iPhone 7 shows that Apple is using a Murata-branded BT/WiFi COMBO module (See step 15 of the teardown; which uses either a Cypress Semiconductor BCM4339 or a Marvell 88W8897 chip, so, that could (likely would) have a different current requirement from the Microchip and whoever-the-hell Bluecreation is; so your 15 to 30 mA figures may or may not be relevant. But even if that was a CONTINUOUS requirement (which I sincerely doubt it is), or just a rough-average, or an "absolute maximum", 15 to 30 mA is still not such a big deal to a 2900 mAh battery. 2900/30 = 96 Hrs at 30mA CONTINUOUS for your BT chips. I couldn't get a straight answer out of the Cypress Datasheet; but assuming it is no more than 30mA for the BT subsections, that shouldn't be a problem.
And of course, with aggressive power-management, that 30mA won't be anything like continuous.
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Apple is not "restricting" anything, you pompous fool.
The DisplayPort 1.2 Standard that is embedded in TB3 is what controls how many Displays-per-Port; not Apple.
And as far as "Artificially Restricting", I assume you are talking about the fact that the Dual-Core CPUs used in the MBP 13 have only enough PCI-e Lanes IN THE CPU to support 60 Gbps of I/O, rather than the 80 Gbps that the Quad-Core CPUs used in the 15 inchers do. So, talk to Intel about that. Besides, do you really think that Apple shouldn't have "Good/Better/Best" models?
While you are correct that there are a BUNCH of TB3 Docks "Coming Soon", there ARE a few Thunderbolt 3 Docks available NOW. No judgement as to quality or Compatibility with the MBP; but they DO profess to be TB 3, not USB-C:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c...
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c...
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c...
And that's what I found IN STOCK in a five-minute search.
Oh, and the Dell TB-16 looks pretty interesting; but I don't know if it is really out yet.
By the way, if you can break-out a SINGLE USB-C Port into 3 USB 3.0, 4k HDMI, Gig Ethernet, etc., AT ONE TIME, who CARES if you can't use that ONE Port for TB 3?
You're just TRYING to find things to be pissed-off about.
And by "At no charge," you mean "At a charge which was already factored into the purchase price." You paid for your free upgrades when you bought your phone, and people's concern here is for Apple intentionally making older devices unusable with a forced OS update, thereby also forcing a new phone purchase which includes the cost of another round of phone updates. Rinse, repeat until the user finally wises up and stops buying Apple crap. Sadly, most never do so.
Really?
Then Samsung must REALLY be gouging; since the GN7 was actually MORE EXPENSIVE than an iPhone 7 Plus, and that's with essentially NO Upgrades, and with the Purchase Price theoretically subsidized in part by Carrier Bloatware deals, right?
I did a whole bunch of research prior to upgrading my computer at work, and it's clear that Apple has *really* botched their latest Macbooks. We're already, what? 5 months post release and the number of available USB-C devices are laughably small. Which I guess makes sense, since they are too damn cheap to provide a sufficient number of USB-C ports on the machines themselves. If you're going to produce a laptop that is essentially useless without an entire drawer-full of external adapters, then you need to have a full lineup of those friggin adapters, hubs, docking stations, etc.
If that wasn't bad enough, the stuff that does exist are garbage. For example, look at the reviews for the HDMI USB-C connector. 1/5. The thing loses connection if you so much as look at it wrong.
And now this nonsense with a $1300 monitor that was explicitly recommended by Apple.
This is flat out unacceptable. Period. The whole point of paying the Apple premium is that you have assurance that everything Just Works(tm). Apparently Apple doesn't care about that anymore.
So my final decision was to buy a refurb of last years model. I get to reuse the existing hoard of adapters I already have, and it still has a normal USB port, magsafe power, HDMI and an SD card slot.
The reason why you haven't seen a flood of printers and scanners, etc. with USB-C is because they simply don't need it.
However, If you had actually done any research, you would know that USB-C is 100% compatible with USB 1.0 to 3.0, and therefore a $6 USB-C to USB-B cable ($8 for the USB 3.0 version) (both completely passive) is all you need to magically transform your existing USB printer, scanner, etc.into a USB-C-compatible device. That's it; no updated drivers, no fancy adapter dongles, NOTHING. Or, you can simply snap a $2.50 PASSIVE USB-C to USB-A adapter onto the end of the existing USB-A cable, and be done with it.
And if you actually have a PARALLEL Printer, you're STILL covered!
So, Problem solved!
As for devices that could benefit with having USB-C natively, either for speed, like HDDs and SDDs, or for convenience (USB Sticks), there are already several choices, with more coming every week. Here's a sample:
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate...
https://www.amazon.com/LaCie-P...
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung...
https://www.amazon.com/Lexar-J...
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk...
If you have a bare SATA drive, you can either put it in an USB-C enclosure (this one is even a two drive RAID), or use one of these.
And there are even adapters that let you continue to use your existing TB2/ MiniDP adapters, in case you want to keep them.
Or, you can just get one of these sort of things (there are dozens to choose from!), and be done with it, with three more USB-C Ports t
Apple did own 45% of ARM Holdings at one time, then 14.5%, which they then sold off to Softbank. Apple still own the rights and a lot of ARM patents.
You're right. Actually, I believe that Apple was instrumental in getting ARM off the ground initially.
Yes, that's what I said. When they design their cores, they have to do so with more than one fab technology in mind, so they can't do the Intel thing of carefully tuning their designs to the underlying process.
Ok, thanks.
But as you noted, they are still whipping all over Qualcomm et al in their ARM-based SoC designs.
ARM is owned by SoftBank, they are not a standalone company any longer. Softbank can afford to take the long view. I was sorry to see them bought out.
That's who Apple should have acquired. ARM, that is.
Except the A9X doesn't have an ARM core, which is what the parent was talking about. It's a chip that implements the ARM instruction set. Big difference.
IP cores from ARM Holdings Inc, today, do not compete with Intel. Nor do any of the other ARM cores around (e.g. Qualcomm's, Nvidia's). But it seems Apple right now has better engineers than all of those and is actually managing to design ARM-compatible cores that are starting to be comparable to Intel chips.
That's kind of an interesting way to look at it; but you're right, Qualcomm COULD compete with Apple at this game; but only seems to be able to design slow, power-hungry SoC's that look quite sad next to Apple's.
I just think it's interesting that Apple was distant from the Intel ecosystem up to ~15 years ago or so... back when they made the move from PowerPC to x86. With that change came a (relatively) large influx of development because now it was easier to write the low-level code (drivers, compilers, etc...). Now Apple wants to go back to the old ways? Is there any benefit other than avoiding some bulk-buy Intel tax?
Apple got burned by IBM not delivering on promises with the G5, and was held back by that, causing the jump from PPC to x86.
They feel like they are being held back by Intel now.
You do the math.
Apple is in a similar situation, as they're careful to have a second source for fabbing their ARM cores.
Interesting post; but you do know that Apple DOES design their own ARM Cores. They just don't fab them.
This very much harkens back to the way Jobs felt when IBM wasn't keeping their promise to deliver a 3 GHz PPC, and a "mobile" version of the G5.
Apple feels very much constrained by Intel's slow drip of progress with their CPUs, and VERY pissed-off about them blowing the timeline for the quad core Kaby Lakes for mobile use.
I personally hope that it is either just sabre-rattling on Apple's part, or at least that Apple will build an x86 emulation mode into the CPU. If they don't, that would be very stupid strategically; because having code-compatibility with Intel is essential at this point.
But buying Intel and turning them into a Mac-only vendor would be fun to watch...
> Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) has been credited, in part, for the creation of the iPhone The effects wore off and we got Windows 10.
LOL, Perfect!
Wtf are you smoking? The touchbar must be the most retarded thing, and the main reason I wont buy a Macbook.
I'll alert the media!
Oh, wait...
The only thing I disagree with your post is the touch pad part. Apple track pads are amazing and I will miss them when I switch.
My 2012 MBP is dying and nothing Apple is even dreaming of putting out comes close to replacing it. So yeah, XPS 15 or so is my next computer.
Good luck with that Hell computer and Windows 10, Spyware Edition!
1. 80 Gbps of raw, multifunctional I/O bandwidth. Nearly TWICE that of any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
If it had a port to check my car's tire pressure that would also be a feature that no other laptop has, at any price. In other words: so what?
This falls into the category of shit I don't need and can't use with any equipment i own or am likely to own this year. The multifunctional i/o bandwidth available in other laptops is fine. Apple going to 11 on this feature is all fine and dandy but it lacks the features users actually need and want.
You, sir, are an unmitigated moron.
What you fail to see is that USB-C is truly coming, and coming fast. How long do you think people will keep their 2016 MBP. Well, contrary to the Haters' Claim that all Mac users MUST Upgrade each and every chance they get, because "Ooh, shiny!", most Mac users KEEP their Laptops for an average of five to seven years.
How many USB-A devices do you think will be on the market at that time?
2. 5k Internal Display on 15" model (I think the 13" is 4k?) I believe that is UNIQUE relative to any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
UNIQUE yes. UNIQUELY pointless. Its just more "Innovation" nobody cares about. Do you have 5k content? No? So who cares? At 15" will it look any better than 4k display? No? So who cares?
Ah, the old "My Use Case is EVERYONE'S Use Case" meme. Glad to see you!
This is a PRO Laptop, made for PROs. Guess what? Some of them actually DO 4k/5k video editing and other PRO-level and CPU/GPU intensive-tasks at this point. And again, since Mac users KEEP their computers (because they aren't plastic shitboxes that fall apart after a year), how much 4k and 5k video do you think will be around by THEN???
What a Slashtard.
3. UNIQUE, Custom, Apple-Designed SSD Controller with the highest Read/Write performance in the industry.
I'd far rather a COTS module I can replace in 2 years for $200 for with a 4TB one. I'm willing to give up a few % points of performance for that. My 2011 Macbook pro is still useful to me (my family at least) because I was able to upgrade the RAM and SSD. This new one? Sure its a few points faster ... but its stupidly overrpiced for the marginal improvement in speed, and you're stuck with whatever capacity you get today forever. I don't object to the existence of this tech as an option for people who want it... but does apple give you the option? Nope. If you want an MBP you have to have this overpriced tech whether you want it or not, whether you need it or not, whether you'd be happier with COTS SSD or not.
It's not "just a few points". It's nearly DOUBLE even last year's model, which was already much faster than any SSD you could put in your 2011 MBP. Do I wish it were replaceable? Yeah, sure. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Next!
4. Ability to natively drive up to FOUR 4k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, or up to TWO 5k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, more than any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
But no native ability to connect to even one HDMI projector in the customer or hotel meeting rooms without carrying a bag of accessories. Swing and a miss.
Again, you're a unmitigated MORON.
Go to Amazon. No need to carry "a bag of accessories". Just buy something like THIS, or
Idiot. Myopic. Retard. 5k content? Well mr retard, text and web briwsing, and programming will be much clearer. Screen recording will be 5k. Fucking so stupid you are.
Idiot asshole. Touch at. By default is the function keys. Then app like Final Cut Pro use it which is very useful for scrubbing etc. even for youtube. You fucking retard.
Usbc and nonports. Sucks but my mac lasts over 5 years. 2 years from now everything will be usbc. And my mac will not be running the last gen significantly slower ports. Fucking geez you are so stupid.
In fact because you don't really produce anything and are poor so you can't see past your shit sub par equipment. Never mind. Stupid. Like really stupid people like you will never ever get it. But you don't count in the real world. You don't matter. You don't produce anything. You are shit.
For once I agree with an AC. Bravo on "Getting it"!
Apple's biggest problem is that they see Ives as the second coming of Jobs and keep letting him focus on nothing but thinness and lightness. Professionals don't care if their machine has to be a little heavier and thicker if it can accomplish the job they need it to, but Apple's modus operandi is telling people what they need rather than actually fulfilling the market need.
The new MBP is evidence of this. It's thinner and lighter and had to make hardware compromises for it. Less ports. 16GB of RAM cap. Battery life that's okay but not even at the same level as the previous machine from years ago.
Further they're screwing up in the release cycle. Professionals often can't wait multiple years between upgrades, and without a proper release cadence a professional needs to guess (and potentially bet the farm) on when to upgrade. That doesn't leave them with confidence. Couple that with a bad cycle and you have a lot of very legitimately spooked people.
Bullshit.
It's gotten good; the pencil on the iPad Pro is something I've waited a very long time for, if Microsoft can get it's performance close I'll probably go. I need a real computer and iOS is horribly handicapped (no xcode). The surface has a real keyboard, the iPad pro is a silicone joke.
OS wise,it matters less than it used to; I don't care, and I always have to have a windows machine for any type of 3D work,modelling, or VR.
This is how the system is supposed to work.. competition.
Here's hoping Apple gets it together. I love my phone, but it seems Apple is now a phone company and not a computer company. They don't have a single computer that can even pretend to run a virtual reality setup.
Dumb. Apple the Phone Company. That's what has happened. Sad.
Bullshit.
Work just provided me with a new laptop. It was my choice and I selected a new MBP 15 inch. My reasons are longevity - my last MBP, which I own, lasted more than 4 years, and I am still using it. OSX is an excellent operating system. I sometimes go months without rebooting and I use the machine 8+ hours each day. I can also run Windows on my MBP. I prefer VMWare Fusion for my virtual machines but Parallels is fine too. Had I selected a Windows laptop, I would have only a Windows laptop. Having the MBP allows me to test and develop against both platforms. It also provides me with a way to run the less expensive versions of any commercial software, should there be a difference in cost. So, while Windows licensing sales may be up, there is no way to know where those OS's are running. Heck, it could be that folks are buying licenses to run on their Macs.
Exactly.
Now watch as you get Punish-Modded down into the dirt by the Apple-Haters.
Don't forget about removing the key on laptops to delete the character in front of the cursor. (you have to press 2 keys to do this super common function)
Don't forget about removing older style USB ports from their "pro" laptop that are almost in ubiquitous use.
Don't forget about how IOS and OS X still for some bizarre reason don't cooperate especially well and they don't provide a cable for their smartphone to plug into their "pro" laptop out of the box.
Apple seems to have forgotten that good design is about a lot more than a pretty case and some fancy fonts and the latest interface fads. Form should always follow function and they are forgetting about function in a lot of places.
Bullshit.
Apple is clearly dominating in the war on Macs.
* Removal of the escape key from macbook pros * No significant hardware refresh in years * Soldering everything to the PCBs to prevent consumer repair
Microsoft is left in the dust when it comes to damaging the Mac's marketshare. There's no way they can hurt Apple more than Apple is hurting themselves. Just give it time guys, no need to bother with posturing and boasting. Apple will do it to themselves.
Bullshit.
All my friends have ditched Windows 10 and gone to MacOS. Several have lost work due to updates and reboots. These aren't IT people. The spying and constant messing around with the system were enough for them. OSX/MacOS isn't perfect but for them it is a whole lot better for average users than W10.
Yep.
Microsoft is only shooting itself in the foot while its opponents over at apple have somehow lodged their guns into their own rectums. Its not so much that microsoft is winning the battle, as apple is just failing worse.
Oh, are they now?
I care about the hardware too and there still isn't a real improvement out there to the 2012 15 inch macbook pro I already have. I'm still waiting on an actual hardware upgrade after 5 years.
Then wait no longer. The 2016 MacBook Pro is a big step forward!
I was with you until the last sentence. Frankly, it's been a while that I've looked at MacOS, but it was always ways superior to Windows since I can remember. And paradoxically Apple used to always make their profits with hardware (which has now become meh, I suppose). Has any of this changed so much? Did I miss something?
No it has not changed. You missed nothing.
The hardware is great, with year-over-year improvements on just the MacBook Pro, and soon to be coming to the Desktop line, now that Intel has gotten their thumb out of their asses on their CPUs a little bit.
UNIQUE features, found in NO OTHER LAPTOP for the 2016 MacBook Pros (esp. the 15"):
1. 80 Gbps of raw, multifunctional I/O bandwidth. Nearly TWICE that of any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
2. 5k Internal Display on 15" model (I think the 13" is 4k?) I believe that is UNIQUE relative to any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
3. UNIQUE, Custom, Apple-Designed SSD Controller with the highest Read/Write performance in the industry.
4. Ability to natively drive up to FOUR 4k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, or up to TWO 5k external displays, plus its internal 5k display, more than any other Laptop, regardless of brand, regardless of price.
5. UNIQUE, multitouch, multifunctional Touch Bar interface, that not only replaces the Function keys, but also allows Applications and the OS to present the user with unique, custom controls that do not take up screen real-estate.
6. The largest Trackpad in the known universe ;-)
7. TouchID, with ApplePay and App Store Support, as well as several other OS and Application-Level functions.
Now, Add to that the improvements over even just last year's model; which are, all of the above items, PLUS:
1. MUCH better Thermal Management, which allows the CPU and GPU to run full-speed, essentially as long as power is available. The 2015 MBP had SEVERE "Throttling" problems, which seriously compromised performance in high-demand applications.
2. Thinner and lighter than the previous model (which DOES matter to more people than you would imagine) 3. Redesigned, improved keyboard (people who have owned both the 2015 and 1016 MBPs report the new keyboard makes the old one feel "mushy"). 4. USB-C and TB3 support.
5. MUCH improved speakers.
6. Three microphones in the 15" model, which helps with speech-recognition. Important, since Siri is now part of macOS.
And if you will notice, those are ALL solid, engineering improvements, with the possible exception of the size and weight reduction (which also took no small-amount of re-engineering).
So, as you can see, Apple has HARDLY "abandoned the Mac". And I haven't even talked about the improvements to macOS...
Go look up some datasheets for Bluetooth chips. In fact, here are some datasheets for you:
http://ww1.microchip.com/downl... http://www.bluecreation.com/fd...
15 to 30mA for music streaming, which depends on range and how crowded the 2.4GHz band is. There is no getting around this, no amount of clever power management will help. Radios use power, Bluetooth mandates the time that the radio must be turned on, it just can't go significantly lower. So no matter how efficient the CPU and everything else is, all day on 10% is impossible.
What did I tell you about JUST looking at datasheets and trying to infer an embedded SYSTEM's requirements/performance?
You are the one that brought BT into this. Apple's battery-life tests were no doubt done with no headset of any type, or with the wired headset. Of course, using BT earpieces would bring that down a little. Now, LynwoodRooster, who claims to be a designer of BT devices, sez the iFixit teardown of the iPhone 7 shows that Apple is using a Murata-branded BT/WiFi COMBO module (See step 15 of the teardown; which uses either a Cypress Semiconductor BCM4339 or a Marvell 88W8897 chip, so, that could (likely would) have a different current requirement from the Microchip and whoever-the-hell Bluecreation is; so your 15 to 30 mA figures may or may not be relevant. But even if that was a CONTINUOUS requirement (which I sincerely doubt it is), or just a rough-average, or an "absolute maximum", 15 to 30 mA is still not such a big deal to a 2900 mAh battery. 2900/30 = 96 Hrs at 30mA CONTINUOUS for your BT chips. I couldn't get a straight answer out of the Cypress Datasheet; but assuming it is no more than 30mA for the BT subsections, that shouldn't be a problem.
And of course, with aggressive power-management, that 30mA won't be anything like continuous.