Assuming you are a Fandroid, I submit that no Fandroid need lecture anyone on "Fragmentation".
What are you 12? You start with an attempted insult and then side step the issue? I assume you wrote something after this sentence but it's probably as waste of time reading given your opening sentence. Learn to behave and then your writing won't be a waste of time in the future.
Goodday.
How long have you been a member? Childish insults are the stock-in-trade on this Forum. When in Rome...
And I most certainly did not "sidestep" the issue. I attempted to explain and amplify (no pun) on the real issues involved, and how Apple had actually tried to address them.
It is you that is "side-stepping", by refusing to address my most salient points, rather than whining because I called someone a name.
I'm not "Appke-Hating", I merely point out things that make no sense. If you're unhappy because your emperor has no clothes, choose another emperor, don't blame the whistleblower.
First off, no one is my Emperor; least of all a Corporation.
Second, there is a saying in business, and it applies especially in "tech" businesses:
"Innovate or Die".
Like it or not, the 3.5 mm connector is a "meh" connector. They are bulky, prone to intermittent connections, and expensive to waterproof correctly. That is why others, such as Lenovo-rola, have already ditched them, and others, like Samsung, are following-suit. I suspect that pretty-much everyone will have ditched 3.5 mm analog for USB-C (including Apple) by the next year or two, and that USB-C-terminated headphones, earbuds, and headsets will quickly become at least as popular as 3.5 mm phone-plug-terminated ones.
Meanwhile, Apple (and likely others that have deleted the 3.5 mm jack) are attempting to ease the transition by doing things like including wired headsets that conform to the new standard (Apple and ?), including a simple adapter, so that existing analog headphones/earbuds/headsets can be used (Apple and ?), and upping the standards on their wireless hardware, so that it becomes a more viable, and higher-fidelity, option (Apple only).
So, other than "no improvement for another 100 years", I'm not sure what Apple (and others) could do to make the "road ahead" any smoother for users.
They have enough clout that they can "dictate" that it's not a flop for quite a while, regardless of what the customer actually wants. Once customers find out there were actually cheaper options all along there might be a lot of buyer's remorse.
There may be cheaper solutions; but it is looking like there aren't any more reliable solutions.
Have you read any of the reviews by people going on about how they can roam all over their two-story house with their iPhone sitting in some random location without losing connection? One pro reviewer said he was able to get something like 150 ft. from his phone before he lost connection. Try that with any other wireless earbuds. Can't be done.
Also, the audio quality and ease and robustness of the pairing has been noted as being quite a step above the norm for BT.
So, as I said before, it really does look like they've "hit it out of the park" on this one...
Do I wish they were closer to $100 than $160? Of course. Will I ever purchase a pair? Probably not. But, compared with other BT earphones and earbuds, they are not at all out-of-line, price-wise.
But, a lot of people don't get the difference between price and value.
And in a year or two, you won't be able to buy a Samsung phone with a "headphone jack", either.
And in a year or two, there will still be numerous Android phones sold by companies not named Samsung. But that is an inconvenient truth for Apple fanboys who continually conflate Samsung's choices with the demise of Android.
And in a couple more years, every other phone will have finished copying Samsung, and thus there won't be a phone worth having that still has a 3.5 mm jack.
Too bad that "Custom ROMs" ability is going the way of Cyanogenmod...
Too bad you are wrong. It has already been forked and will be known as Lineage OS. The failure of Cyanogen as a company (thanks in part to Microsoft's reverse-Midas touch?) does not mean the end of CyanogenMod or the incredibly vibrant Android development community.
But don't let facts stand in the way of your idiotic, baseless,
I can see english is your second language. Maybe look up fragmentation. By packaging a fragmentation with a common standard it is forcing fragmentation into the market place.
Careful. I heard the reality distortion field causes cancer. Maybe you should get yourself checked, you seem to be quite over exposed to it.
Assuming you are a Fandroid, I submit that no Fandroid need lecture anyone on "Fragmentation".
But assuming, arguendo, that the term "Fragmentation" is appropriate in this context (which I frankly find pretty specious), some amount of "fragmentation" (as you call it) is part of any change. Change requires, er, Change.
But, it's all about how you handle that Change. In Apple's case with the iPhone 7, they made the Change as painless as possible by both including a headset (like they have always done), but with a Lightning Connector, rather than a 4 conductor 3.5 mm connector like before, and including a simple Lightning to 4 conductor 3.5 mm jack, for use with any existing analog headphones/earbuds/headsets.
Seriously, what more could they have done, assuming the (obvious) fact that they saw that 3.5 mm jacks were on their way out (and, BTW, you are reminded that Apple wasn't the first to ditch the 3.5 mm jack; so others in the industry obviously agree with them regarding that issue)?
Now I agree there is an argument to be made that they should have gone to USB-C and ditched Lightning at the same time; but I feel that the headphone jack decision was made fairly late in the design process, and so "didn't make the cut" this go-around. But, IMHO, Lightning is on the way-out, in favor of USB-C (probably on the iPhone 8). And then Apple will be aligned with the rest of the mobile device industry (not to mention their own computing products) in standardizing on what is fast becoming the standard.
Depends what performance. Single core, sure, but multi-core they get trounced. App performance seems to depend more on the quality of the app than anything.
Actually it might be because the last few iPhones have been massively defective too. Oh and perhaps if you haven't gotten sucked into iTunes licensing hell, you might be smart enough to not do it on purpose at this point.
My only issue with Android phones (other than Nexus/Pixel ) is security updates. I don't have to have the latest version of Android, but security counts. Samsung and Verizon are double plus ungood in this area.
> If the iPhone doesn't give you what you want, you're stuck.
Except you are not: diversity has always been the defining feature of Android, so you can find pretty much anything you like. (Unless you are looking for years of support, in which case custom ROMs or Apple are indeed the only option.)
Too bad that "Custom ROMs" ability is going the way of Cyanogenmod...
There are already about a zillion glowing reviews online
I said:
They barely just shipped out the first batch
You said:
What are you saying?
I'm saying that the size of the second batch produced is probably based on speculation on the success of the product - and you can't just flip a switch and manufacture all those devices in an instant - especially if the first batch is delayed and you have nothing to base your guess on until the last minute.
Ok, I agree that they would likely adjust production based on sales figures, but likely not for at least a quarter after the initial introduction, because initial demand is almost always higher (duh!). And I also agree that they can't just snap their fingers and have another "batch" ready-to-go at a moment's notice.
But I am also pretty sure that the AirPods are anything but a "flop", based on what I have been seeing.
How long do you think it takes to ramp up manufacturing and catch up? They barely just shipped out the first batch in the last month.
What are you saying?
They had some sort of technical issue that delayed the first shipments; but who knows how far along they were in the build-process when they put a hold on those first units? If they were pretty complete, then it may have been as simple as re-flashing the firmware before they sent them out, which would have taken likely under a week.
Or they don't want to waste money manufacturing too many copies of a flop. The buzz over being sold out is only a bonus. After Christmas day, people actually own and use the item and the real day-to-day usage reviews start showing up everywhere. Selling out right at Christmas is the right time to decide if you should bother making many more.
There are already about a zillion glowing reviews online, fucktard.
Fantastic. What's better than forcing bluetooth on customers? Forcing fragmentation into the market place with a proprietary standard in devices. Who doesn't love this company.
Who's forcing anything?
And W1-equipped devices are 100% backwards-compatible with standard BT stuff. You could use Apple's AirPods as easily with any BT phone, computer, or whatnot. Conversely, you can use the W1-chip equipped iPhone with any standard BT headset.
But don't let facts stand in the way of your idiotic, baseless, hatred of all things Apple (while secretly lusting after their gear)..
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Assuming you are a Fandroid, I submit that no Fandroid need lecture anyone on "Fragmentation".
What are you 12? You start with an attempted insult and then side step the issue? I assume you wrote something after this sentence but it's probably as waste of time reading given your opening sentence. Learn to behave and then your writing won't be a waste of time in the future.
Goodday.
How long have you been a member? Childish insults are the stock-in-trade on this Forum. When in Rome...
And I most certainly did not "sidestep" the issue. I attempted to explain and amplify (no pun) on the real issues involved, and how Apple had actually tried to address them.
It is you that is "side-stepping", by refusing to address my most salient points, rather than whining because I called someone a name.
you idiotic, Appke-Hating, MORON.
I'm not "Appke-Hating", I merely point out things that make no sense. If you're unhappy because your emperor has no clothes, choose another emperor, don't blame the whistleblower.
First off, no one is my Emperor; least of all a Corporation.
Second, there is a saying in business, and it applies especially in "tech" businesses:
"Innovate or Die".
Like it or not, the 3.5 mm connector is a "meh" connector. They are bulky, prone to intermittent connections, and expensive to waterproof correctly. That is why others, such as Lenovo-rola, have already ditched them, and others, like Samsung, are following-suit. I suspect that pretty-much everyone will have ditched 3.5 mm analog for USB-C (including Apple) by the next year or two, and that USB-C-terminated headphones, earbuds, and headsets will quickly become at least as popular as 3.5 mm phone-plug-terminated ones.
Meanwhile, Apple (and likely others that have deleted the 3.5 mm jack) are attempting to ease the transition by doing things like including wired headsets that conform to the new standard (Apple and ?), including a simple adapter, so that existing analog headphones/earbuds/headsets can be used (Apple and ?), and upping the standards on their wireless hardware, so that it becomes a more viable, and higher-fidelity, option (Apple only).
So, other than "no improvement for another 100 years", I'm not sure what Apple (and others) could do to make the "road ahead" any smoother for users.
They have enough clout that they can "dictate" that it's not a flop for quite a while, regardless of what the customer actually wants. Once customers find out there were actually cheaper options all along there might be a lot of buyer's remorse.
There may be cheaper solutions; but it is looking like there aren't any more reliable solutions.
Have you read any of the reviews by people going on about how they can roam all over their two-story house with their iPhone sitting in some random location without losing connection? One pro reviewer said he was able to get something like 150 ft. from his phone before he lost connection. Try that with any other wireless earbuds. Can't be done.
Also, the audio quality and ease and robustness of the pairing has been noted as being quite a step above the norm for BT.
So, as I said before, it really does look like they've "hit it out of the park" on this one...
Do I wish they were closer to $100 than $160? Of course. Will I ever purchase a pair? Probably not. But, compared with other BT earphones and earbuds, they are not at all out-of-line, price-wise.
But, a lot of people don't get the difference between price and value.
Obviously, you're one of those people.
And in a year or two, you won't be able to buy a Samsung phone with a "headphone jack", either.
And in a year or two, there will still be numerous Android phones sold by companies not named Samsung. But that is an inconvenient truth for Apple fanboys who continually conflate Samsung's choices with the demise of Android.
And in a couple more years, every other phone will have finished copying Samsung, and thus there won't be a phone worth having that still has a 3.5 mm jack.
Mark my words.
Too bad that "Custom ROMs" ability is going the way of Cyanogenmod...
Too bad you are wrong. It has already been forked and will be known as Lineage OS. The failure of Cyanogen as a company (thanks in part to Microsoft's reverse-Midas touch?) does not mean the end of CyanogenMod or the incredibly vibrant Android development community.
Time will tell...
But don't let facts stand in the way of your idiotic, baseless,
I can see english is your second language. Maybe look up fragmentation. By packaging a fragmentation with a common standard it is forcing fragmentation into the market place.
Careful. I heard the reality distortion field causes cancer. Maybe you should get yourself checked, you seem to be quite over exposed to it.
Assuming you are a Fandroid, I submit that no Fandroid need lecture anyone on "Fragmentation".
But assuming, arguendo, that the term "Fragmentation" is appropriate in this context (which I frankly find pretty specious), some amount of "fragmentation" (as you call it) is part of any change. Change requires, er, Change.
But, it's all about how you handle that Change. In Apple's case with the iPhone 7, they made the Change as painless as possible by both including a headset (like they have always done), but with a Lightning Connector, rather than a 4 conductor 3.5 mm connector like before, and including a simple Lightning to 4 conductor 3.5 mm jack, for use with any existing analog headphones/earbuds/headsets.
Seriously, what more could they have done, assuming the (obvious) fact that they saw that 3.5 mm jacks were on their way out (and, BTW, you are reminded that Apple wasn't the first to ditch the 3.5 mm jack; so others in the industry obviously agree with them regarding that issue)?
Now I agree there is an argument to be made that they should have gone to USB-C and ditched Lightning at the same time; but I feel that the headphone jack decision was made fairly late in the design process, and so "didn't make the cut" this go-around. But, IMHO, Lightning is on the way-out, in favor of USB-C (probably on the iPhone 8). And then Apple will be aligned with the rest of the mobile device industry (not to mention their own computing products) in standardizing on what is fast becoming the standard.
Did you know the first Android phone was made by HTC? How, prey tell, did they copy Samsung? That's quite a feat!
You know very well what I mean. Quit being intentionally obtuse.
apple worshippers just don't get it.
You'll see who doesn't "get it".
Then I'll drop Samsung and go with another brand that gives me what I want. That's the point.
Except they all copy Samsung, who copies Apple. So...
Depends what performance. Single core, sure, but multi-core they get trounced. App performance seems to depend more on the quality of the app than anything.
Bzzt!. Not according to Daring Fireball.
Um, and also not if the Android in question runs something equal to, or less than, a Snapdragon 821, like several do, including the Pixel.
A fact confirmed by this Test, too...
Fortunately there are many more manufacturers than Samsung who make Android phones.
But they all copy Samsung, who copies Apple, so...
Actually it might be because the last few iPhones have been massively defective too. Oh and perhaps if you haven't gotten sucked into iTunes licensing hell, you might be smart enough to not do it on purpose at this point.
Boy, what an unsubstantiated pile of Hate.
My only issue with Android phones (other than Nexus/Pixel ) is security updates. I don't have to have the latest version of Android, but security counts. Samsung and Verizon are double plus ungood in this area.
That's a pretty big "issue", IMHO...
Plus, the latest iPhones all suck.
Funny. They have the best benchmarks for performance.
Or is all you care about a stupid 3.5 mm jack?
> If the iPhone doesn't give you what you want, you're stuck.
Except you are not: diversity has always been the defining feature of Android, so you can find pretty much anything you like. (Unless you are looking for years of support, in which case custom ROMs or Apple are indeed the only option.)
Too bad that "Custom ROMs" ability is going the way of Cyanogenmod...
It's easy to buy a new Android phone that doesn't explode.
You can't buy a new iOS phone that has a headphone jack.
Multiple vendors really helps the Android user to get what they want. If the iPhone doesn't give you what you want, you're stuck.
And in a year or two, you won't be able to buy a Samsung phone with a "headphone jack", either.
it's not loyalty to android that keeps them from going to apple. it's apple that keeps them from going to apple
Funny. I would say that it's Android that keeps me from going to Android.
You said:
There are already about a zillion glowing reviews online
I said:
They barely just shipped out the first batch
You said:
What are you saying?
I'm saying that the size of the second batch produced is probably based on speculation on the success of the product - and you can't just flip a switch and manufacture all those devices in an instant - especially if the first batch is delayed and you have nothing to base your guess on until the last minute.
Ok, I agree that they would likely adjust production based on sales figures, but likely not for at least a quarter after the initial introduction, because initial demand is almost always higher (duh!). And I also agree that they can't just snap their fingers and have another "batch" ready-to-go at a moment's notice.
But I am also pretty sure that the AirPods are anything but a "flop", based on what I have been seeing.
How long do you think it takes to ramp up manufacturing and catch up? They barely just shipped out the first batch in the last month.
What are you saying?
They had some sort of technical issue that delayed the first shipments; but who knows how far along they were in the build-process when they put a hold on those first units? If they were pretty complete, then it may have been as simple as re-flashing the firmware before they sent them out, which would have taken likely under a week.
Or they don't want to waste money manufacturing too many copies of a flop. The buzz over being sold out is only a bonus. After Christmas day, people actually own and use the item and the real day-to-day usage reviews start showing up everywhere. Selling out right at Christmas is the right time to decide if you should bother making many more.
There are already about a zillion glowing reviews online, fucktard.
Fantastic. What's better than forcing bluetooth on customers? Forcing fragmentation into the market place with a proprietary standard in devices. Who doesn't love this company.
Who's forcing anything?
And W1-equipped devices are 100% backwards-compatible with standard BT stuff. You could use Apple's AirPods as easily with any BT phone, computer, or whatnot. Conversely, you can use the W1-chip equipped iPhone with any standard BT headset.
But don't let facts stand in the way of your idiotic, baseless, hatred of all things Apple (while secretly lusting after their gear)..
It's called the "W1" chip; but the rest of your post is spot-on.
Try Bragi's "The Headphones", or "The Dash" - I have the latter, been quite pleased overall with audio-quality
Bragi's BT bullshit is just that. Apple's W1 chip truly IS a revolution, particularly in connection stability and range.
Considering the quality of bluetooth headphones I've seen, these $160 AirPods deliver worse sound than 1.20PLN ($0.28) wired buds I saw in a kiosk.
And you've tried them?
Of course the adapter is designed to fail, just like the official charging cords, so that you get taxed for not buying a new iphone every year.
Go fuck yourself.
And if it does fail, Apple will charge you the princely sum if NINE DOLLARS for a replacement/spare.
See? No matter how hard you try, there simply isn't a "profiteering" motive here.
But keep on Hatin'...