i've been keeping my linux escape hatch available for the past 10 years of primarily MacOS-use, just in case. starting a few months ago i have begun finally using it; this shit has gotten ridiculous.
it's a miserable downgrade in many ways and i miss a lot of MacOS's clever features from before it was focused on being luxury spyware, but meh, it's worth it. now if i could magically find the right kernel options to compile a debian kernel that both boots and supports my video card, i'll be relatively happy. oh yeah, don't use Xfce if you use displayport and want to turn your monitor off and back on; you're welcome.
Do you actually HEAR yourself?!?
"This shit is getting ridiculous. Linux here I come!"
"Now, if I could only find the right kernel options to compile a Debian Kernel THAT WILL WORK WITH MY VIDEO CARD, I'd be relatively happy..."
You do see how those two statements are laughably self-cancelling, don't you?
Of course you don't.
That's ok, we'll still be here when you realize the driver issues with Linux make Apple's occasional hiccup seem as minor an issue as it really is, by comparison.
Also as a developer, I will always need to update to the new macOS and xCode on the day of their release.
I'm so freaking sick of this crap. Fuck "rolling releases". That is the same level of utter stupidity which PLAGUES everything from corporate to OSS. UNIX, nor Linux (yes, even GNU/LInux), was like this. It wasn't until Apple pinheads did it become "normal".
Wrong.
Windows just calls them "Patch Tuesdays", and have been doing the same thing and with NO vast Beta Test Program, and regularly BREAKING things, for DECADES.
Anti Apple is what it should be if they can not BETA Test there OS Better than this they need to Backup and Regroup, Pull The Update till they get it Fixed but I guess they are taking a Page from Microsoft on Updating there OS all USERS are BETA TESTERS!!!!!!!!
So, just HOW many THIRD PARTY display products SHOULD Apple test with?!?
THAT's why they have a Beta Test Program. Sounds like the Beta Testers either didn't report this to Apple, or didn't encounter the failure.
Paint it anyway you like it, but driver breakage of this level isn't to be expected on such minor update.
You can call it anti Apple BS, but this incident shows that development at Apple is a bit of a mess.
It may SEEM like a minor Update; but it rolled-out eGPU support for macOS; so OBVIOUSLY there were some fairly "deep" changes to the whole Display Framework; so, breaking a couple of THIRD PARTY display products is pretty much a foreseeable thing.
Well.. based on my limited experience with Apple and their products.. rendering "older" hardware useless is a key ploy to get people to buy brand new Apple products.
If I'm going to pay a premium for a product that "just works".. it better keep working for as long as the hardware holds up. They basically used an obsolete OS version to hold my wife's macbook hostage unless we paid around $100 to update it.
How in the FUCK does breaking support of a THIRD PARTY Product help APPLE sales?!?
Is the external screen hardware bricked beyond repair or simply unusable until some driver software fixed? Dead sounds like click bait if a simple reinstall or patch rollback gets it working again.
The latter. And DisplayLink and Apple are already working on a Driver Update.
The sixth-gen iPad has the same battery as the previous model, with 32.9 Wh capacity. iFixit noted that while this allows Apple to reuse existing manufacturing lines to reduce waste, the battery is still locked behind a "repair-impeding adhesive" that greatly reduced the iPad's repairability score. (emphasis mine)
So the single consumable part in these devices, the battery, might come from an older device but still can't be replaced.
And this is how they're reducing waste? Colour me unimpressed.
What an idiot!
Re-read the statement from Apple. They aren't recycling BATTERIES, they are reusing MANUFACTURING LINES, so they don't have to build a whole new PRODUCTION LINE to BUILD the iPad 6's Batteries, because they could use the same PRODUCTION LINE as the one that already makes the previous-model's batteries.
There's really no scenario in which an iPad is superior to a Chromebook for teaching students.
Yes, kids may clamor for iPads.. but they'd be clamoring for a lot of useless / fun things if they had the option.
Actually, Apple has already released a TV Ad which would belie your assertion. Using SOME Chromebooks, You MIGHT be able to do the Project that the students in the commercial did with the iPad, but it certainly would be much more clumsy:
Not only does this iPad have EXACTLY the same ARBITRARY "Repairability Score" as many, many of the reasonably-priced alternatives to this iPad (which their "comparison example" is, at THREE TIMES the price, is most assuredly NOT!); but their ARBITRARY "Repairability Score" completely overlooks some extremely important points; which, if iFixit wan't being totally ARBITRARY in their scoring, by not taking the simple step if factoring-in what is MOST LIKELY to break in a particular product.
1. Hardly anything ever goes wrong with iPads but the glass. And after many years, the battery.
2. IPad batteries are very robust. By the time the average iPad is seeing battery wear out, the iPad is so old it is ready for recycling, anyway. Seriously. My iPad 2 gets used every day for at least 8 hours, and gets charged a full-cycle, or nearly so, every single day since I got it in later 2012, and the battery health still reports 88%, and if there has been any diminished run-time, It hasn't been much. So the Repairability of the battery in an iPad simply isn't a factor in real life. Plus, they likely use adhesive strips that release when pulled; so that hardly is a hinderance to battery replacement! But yet iFixit ALWAYS lumps that in with ANY dot of staking-compound, hot melt glue (which every single tablet and almost all modern laptops use extensively).
3. Even iFixit pointed out that the glass is not bonded to the display in this model, making the glass repair drop dead simple and cheap. And yet, they literally do not give them repairability "points" for making THE single most likely repair item as simple and inexpensive to repair as practical, and more repairable than many other tablets, laptops and Chromebooks.
As a former repair tech myself, I DO agree that the Lightning connector soldered to the main board, rather than on a separate "Jack board", MAY be a slightly questionable design decision, I feel that, if Apple had been seeing significant percentages of iOS devices being returned with broken/worn-out Lightning connectors, Apple would have put that Jack on a daughter board by now.
But, this entire "repairability" argument for this product, in this application, is nothing but a red herring in real-world Impact to a school district. And with Apple's "iPad Sharing", which allows a school staffer/teacher/student to simply trade their broken iPad for another "off the cart", and have it be cloned into being the same setup and data as their broken one, means that "repairability" is also a non-issue for the student-users and their teachers.
Same. Although the command key is wearing out quite a bit.
Well, I dropped something pretty heavy on the keyboard about 2 WEEKS after I got it, and pretty well shattered about 3 key tops; but they still work ok. Sucks though...
The findings were for macbooks. I didn't realize anyone else had switched yet.
Here's one list of USB-C Laptops. Oh, and notice the prices. Looks like the MacBook Pro isn't so "ridiculously priced" afterall...
https://www.slant.co/topics/25......And here is the list of the (almost all non-Apple) Laptops with one or more Thunderbolt 3 Ports. Of course, those all use the USB-C Connector, too:
So, did you clean the Lint out of your "worn out" USB-C Port yet? Looks like a bunch of Slashdotters joined-in on citing Lint as a problem. But I'll bet you didn't even bother to do a little Googling before you started on the Apple Hate tirade, since I found the "Lint" issue in about a half-dozen of the first-page Hits on Google for the search term "USB-C port wearout" (no quotes).
For me, paying $4K for a laptop was insane, granted that was 3 years Applecare, but the top of the line non-Apple laptop on Bestbuy isn't even half the price as this one. As I said before, I'm glad it wasn't my money. I'd still be kicking myself.
For me, paying $4K for a laptop was insane, granted that was 3 years Applecare, but the top of the line non-Apple laptop on Bestbuy isn't even half the price as this one. As I said before, I'm glad it wasn't my money. I'd still be kicking myself.
You have 3 years of AppleCare?
Then your solution is simple: Get thee to an Apple Store, and STFU!!!
The thing is, I could buy that if it wasn't the port that I use the most for the power cord..... or if there weren't a lot of other people on the internet complaining about the same issue.
1. Look for the Lint and get back to us.
2. They are also complaining about the same issue with the USB-C ports on their Nexus phones. Hmmm, no Apple there...
I think you got a lemon port somehow. This is not typical and expecting your replacement to be junk is superstition on your end. The ports are by no means cheap in quality or cost. Get it replaced and stop making your personal laptop experience that is a fluke or fabrication part of this. Back to Facebook and CEO's going at each other.
It's more likely LINT in the port. NUMEROUS people mention that being an issue with USB-C connectors in general. And the symptom is that it feels like, and acts like, a worn-out port (poor connector retention, "loose" feeling, sometimes maddeningly intermittent connections), all of which respond to a quick "toothpick" session to remove the accumulated lint.
Since all USB-C connectors are more or less designed the same, it stands to reason they will all have the same "design flaws".
And even Apple isn't going to stuff a bunch of belly-button lint into a connector and see if it still works well...
Even if they do fix it, how will they give me an assurance that they aren't simply using the same poor quality components that will fail as soon as my warranty is over? Fixing it right now is simply not enough 'caring' for me. I need to know it will be good for the life of the laptop.
See, there you go: ASSUMING that the COMPONENT QUALITY is to blame.
Apple specs the FUCK out of every single component in their products. I know, because my former boss went to work for Fairchild Semiconductor, and they were bidding on some component for one or more of Apple's products. He said he had a new-found appreciation for just how thorough their component qualification process was.
So, I am almost positive that it isn't a "poor quality components" issue. We're not talking about a Chromebook here. Apple doesn't have to, and doesn't, skimp on component quality, They just. Don't.
Starting with the 'mag connector' it has been fairly clear to me for some time now that Apple makes their laptops to be set down on a clean desk, plugged in, and left in place most of the time. If you try to move them around, power cords come out etc and it is very annoying.
Really? Mag-Safe doesn't disconnect unless you tug on the cable, because, er, that's what it's SUPPOSED to do.
USB-C should have even a higher "retention force".
But then, you bitch about every single thing; so it hardly fucking matters.
Yup, and that is pretty much the port that is worn out already. The thing that gets me is, I thought durability was one of the selling points of USB-C?? I plug my android phone in every day with micro-usb and it is showing no signs of wear.
That's likely what the connector salesman told Apple, HP, Microsoft. Acer, Lenovo, etc., about USB-C connectors, too.
I DO know that Apple doesn't put cheap-shit connectors in their products (because they don't HAVE to); but, since USB-C is a relatively new standard in the wild, perhaps some unanticipated wearout mechanisms in the overall USB-C connector designs are now coming to light.
If so, that wouldn't be Apple's fault, per se. It would be an industry-wide problem.
There are also common, fairly prosaic, issues, like an accumulation of LINT in the connector (no fooling!) that make it SEEM like a USB-C port is "wearing out", when it isn't:
More than likely, there is lint that is keeping the connector from being fully-inserted, and thus the spring-clip that holds the "plug" into the "jack" isn't able to actuate.
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i've been keeping my linux escape hatch available for the past 10 years of primarily MacOS-use, just in case. starting a few months ago i have begun finally using it; this shit has gotten ridiculous.
it's a miserable downgrade in many ways and i miss a lot of MacOS's clever features from before it was focused on being luxury spyware, but meh, it's worth it. now if i could magically find the right kernel options to compile a debian kernel that both boots and supports my video card, i'll be relatively happy. oh yeah, don't use Xfce if you use displayport and want to turn your monitor off and back on; you're welcome.
Do you actually HEAR yourself?!?
"This shit is getting ridiculous. Linux here I come!"
"Now, if I could only find the right kernel options to compile a Debian Kernel THAT WILL WORK WITH MY VIDEO CARD, I'd be relatively happy..."
You do see how those two statements are laughably self-cancelling, don't you?
Of course you don't.
That's ok, we'll still be here when you realize the driver issues with Linux make Apple's occasional hiccup seem as minor an issue as it really is, by comparison.
Also as a developer, I will always need to update to the new macOS and xCode on the day of their release.
I'm so freaking sick of this crap. Fuck "rolling releases". That is the same level of utter stupidity which PLAGUES everything from corporate to OSS. UNIX, nor Linux (yes, even GNU/LInux), was like this. It wasn't until Apple pinheads did it become "normal".
Wrong.
Windows just calls them "Patch Tuesdays", and have been doing the same thing and with NO vast Beta Test Program, and regularly BREAKING things, for DECADES.
Anti Apple is what it should be if they can not BETA Test there OS Better than this they need to Backup and Regroup, Pull The Update till they get it Fixed but I guess they are taking a Page from Microsoft on Updating there OS all USERS are BETA TESTERS!!!!!!!!
So, just HOW many THIRD PARTY display products SHOULD Apple test with?!?
THAT's why they have a Beta Test Program. Sounds like the Beta Testers either didn't report this to Apple, or didn't encounter the failure.
Paint it anyway you like it, but driver breakage of this level isn't to be expected on such minor update.
You can call it anti Apple BS, but this incident shows that development at Apple is a bit of a mess.
It may SEEM like a minor Update; but it rolled-out eGPU support for macOS; so OBVIOUSLY there were some fairly "deep" changes to the whole Display Framework; so, breaking a couple of THIRD PARTY display products is pretty much a foreseeable thing.
Well.. based on my limited experience with Apple and their products.. rendering "older" hardware useless is a key ploy to get people to buy brand new Apple products.
If I'm going to pay a premium for a product that "just works".. it better keep working for as long as the hardware holds up. They basically used an obsolete OS version to hold my wife's macbook hostage unless we paid around $100 to update it.
How in the FUCK does breaking support of a THIRD PARTY Product help APPLE sales?!?
You Haters are REALLY something.
Is the external screen hardware bricked beyond repair or simply unusable until some driver software fixed? Dead sounds like click bait if a simple reinstall or patch rollback gets it working again.
The latter. And DisplayLink and Apple are already working on a Driver Update.
Liked their 1000$ devices assembled with hot glue and sticky tape! tsk, tsk....
Which would make them EXACTLY the same as EVERY other tablet.
Now what?
The sixth-gen iPad has the same battery as the previous model, with 32.9 Wh capacity. iFixit noted that while this allows Apple to reuse existing manufacturing lines to reduce waste, the battery is still locked behind a "repair-impeding adhesive" that greatly reduced the iPad's repairability score.
(emphasis mine)
So the single consumable part in these devices, the battery, might come from an older device but still can't be replaced.
And this is how they're reducing waste? Colour me unimpressed.
What an idiot!
Re-read the statement from Apple. They aren't recycling BATTERIES, they are reusing MANUFACTURING LINES, so they don't have to build a whole new PRODUCTION LINE to BUILD the iPad 6's Batteries, because they could use the same PRODUCTION LINE as the one that already makes the previous-model's batteries.
Jesus, you Haters are Stupid!
There's really no scenario in which an iPad is superior to a Chromebook for teaching students.
Yes, kids may clamor for iPads.. but they'd be clamoring for a lot of useless / fun things if they had the option.
Actually, Apple has already released a TV Ad which would belie your assertion. Using SOME Chromebooks, You MIGHT be able to do the Project that the students in the commercial did with the iPad, but it certainly would be much more clumsy:
https://youtu.be/IprmiOa2zH8
Not only does this iPad have EXACTLY the same ARBITRARY "Repairability Score" as many, many of the reasonably-priced alternatives to this iPad (which their "comparison example" is, at THREE TIMES the price, is most assuredly NOT!); but their ARBITRARY "Repairability Score" completely overlooks some extremely important points; which, if iFixit wan't being totally ARBITRARY in their scoring, by not taking the simple step if factoring-in what is MOST LIKELY to break in a particular product.
1. Hardly anything ever goes wrong with iPads but the glass. And after many years, the battery.
2. IPad batteries are very robust. By the time the average iPad is seeing battery wear out, the iPad is so old it is ready for recycling, anyway. Seriously. My iPad 2 gets used every day for at least 8 hours, and gets charged a full-cycle, or nearly so, every single day since I got it in later 2012, and the battery health still reports 88%, and if there has been any diminished run-time, It hasn't been much. So the Repairability of the battery in an iPad simply isn't a factor in real life. Plus, they likely use adhesive strips that release when pulled; so that hardly is a hinderance to battery replacement! But yet iFixit ALWAYS lumps that in with ANY dot of staking-compound, hot melt glue (which every single tablet and almost all modern laptops use extensively).
3. Even iFixit pointed out that the glass is not bonded to the display in this model, making the glass repair drop dead simple and cheap. And yet, they literally do not give them repairability "points" for making THE single most likely repair item as simple and inexpensive to repair as practical, and more repairable than many other tablets, laptops and Chromebooks.
As a former repair tech myself, I DO agree that the Lightning connector soldered to the main board, rather than on a separate "Jack board", MAY be a slightly questionable design decision, I feel that, if Apple had been seeing significant percentages of iOS devices being returned with broken/worn-out Lightning connectors, Apple would have put that Jack on a daughter board by now.
But, this entire "repairability" argument for this product, in this application, is nothing but a red herring in real-world Impact to a school district. And with Apple's "iPad Sharing", which allows a school staffer/teacher/student to simply trade their broken iPad for another "off the cart", and have it be cloned into being the same setup and data as their broken one, means that "repairability" is also a non-issue for the student-users and their teachers.
If the planned launch date is around July-August then they're probably already close to doing initial production runs.
They probably just received FCC approval.
Same. Although the command key is wearing out quite a bit.
Well, I dropped something pretty heavy on the keyboard about 2 WEEKS after I got it, and pretty well shattered about 3 key tops; but they still work ok. Sucks though...
The findings were for macbooks. I didn't realize anyone else had switched yet.
Here's one list of USB-C Laptops. Oh, and notice the prices. Looks like the MacBook Pro isn't so "ridiculously priced" afterall...
https://www.slant.co/topics/25... ...And here is the list of the (almost all non-Apple) Laptops with one or more Thunderbolt 3 Ports. Of course, those all use the USB-C Connector, too:
https://www.ultrabookreview.co...
So, did you clean the Lint out of your "worn out" USB-C Port yet? Looks like a bunch of Slashdotters joined-in on citing Lint as a problem. But I'll bet you didn't even bother to do a little Googling before you started on the Apple Hate tirade, since I found the "Lint" issue in about a half-dozen of the first-page Hits on Google for the search term "USB-C port wearout" (no quotes).
Funny! Because thats exactly what apple does.
Proof or STFU.
So I get my macbook back with a new port and it works well.... how exactly do I test it for durability after two years of use?
Same way you would if it was an HP, Lenovo, Acer, Microsoft, etc. USB-C port.
Answer: You wouldn't. That kind of testing is generally DESTRUCTIVE, and they might not honor the warranty the SECOND time...
Yet there are a lot of complaints out there about lose USB-C ports.
And almost none of them are for Apple products. You CONVENIENTLY don't mention that...
For me, paying $4K for a laptop was insane, granted that was 3 years Applecare, but the top of the line non-Apple laptop on Bestbuy isn't even half the price as this one. As I said before, I'm glad it wasn't my money. I'd still be kicking myself.
You have my permission to kick yourself, anyway!
For me, paying $4K for a laptop was insane, granted that was 3 years Applecare, but the top of the line non-Apple laptop on Bestbuy isn't even half the price as this one. As I said before, I'm glad it wasn't my money. I'd still be kicking myself.
You have 3 years of AppleCare?
Then your solution is simple: Get thee to an Apple Store, and STFU!!!
You Apple fanbois are insane. The lifetime of the laptop should be at least 5 years especially at the amount of money Apple charge.
And they are.
My daily driver is a mid 2012 Macbook Pro, and it is basically indistinguishable from new.
The thing is, I could buy that if it wasn't the port that I use the most for the power cord..... or if there weren't a lot of other people on the internet complaining about the same issue.
1. Look for the Lint and get back to us.
2. They are also complaining about the same issue with the USB-C ports on their Nexus phones. Hmmm, no Apple there...
3. See #1.
Keep in mind the Hatorade Distortion Field [tumblr.com] that blows the smallest molehill into the biggest mountain if Apple is involved.
Boy, truer words were never spoken!
I think you got a lemon port somehow. This is not typical and expecting your replacement to be junk is superstition on your end. The ports are by no means cheap in quality or cost. Get it replaced and stop making your personal laptop experience that is a fluke or fabrication part of this. Back to Facebook and CEO's going at each other.
It's more likely LINT in the port. NUMEROUS people mention that being an issue with USB-C connectors in general. And the symptom is that it feels like, and acts like, a worn-out port (poor connector retention, "loose" feeling, sometimes maddeningly intermittent connections), all of which respond to a quick "toothpick" session to remove the accumulated lint.
Since all USB-C connectors are more or less designed the same, it stands to reason they will all have the same "design flaws".
And even Apple isn't going to stuff a bunch of belly-button lint into a connector and see if it still works well...
Even if they do fix it, how will they give me an assurance that they aren't simply using the same poor quality components that will fail as soon as my warranty is over? Fixing it right now is simply not enough 'caring' for me. I need to know it will be good for the life of the laptop.
See, there you go: ASSUMING that the COMPONENT QUALITY is to blame.
Apple specs the FUCK out of every single component in their products. I know, because my former boss went to work for Fairchild Semiconductor, and they were bidding on some component for one or more of Apple's products. He said he had a new-found appreciation for just how thorough their component qualification process was.
So, I am almost positive that it isn't a "poor quality components" issue. We're not talking about a Chromebook here. Apple doesn't have to, and doesn't, skimp on component quality, They just. Don't.
Look for another scapegoat.
Starting with the 'mag connector' it has been fairly clear to me for some time now that Apple makes their laptops to be set down on a clean desk, plugged in, and left in place most of the time. If you try to move them around, power cords come out etc and it is very annoying.
Really? Mag-Safe doesn't disconnect unless you tug on the cable, because, er, that's what it's SUPPOSED to do.
USB-C should have even a higher "retention force".
But then, you bitch about every single thing; so it hardly fucking matters.
Yup, and that is pretty much the port that is worn out already. The thing that gets me is, I thought durability was one of the selling points of USB-C?? I plug my android phone in every day with micro-usb and it is showing no signs of wear.
That's likely what the connector salesman told Apple, HP, Microsoft. Acer, Lenovo, etc., about USB-C connectors, too.
I DO know that Apple doesn't put cheap-shit connectors in their products (because they don't HAVE to); but, since USB-C is a relatively new standard in the wild, perhaps some unanticipated wearout mechanisms in the overall USB-C connector designs are now coming to light.
If so, that wouldn't be Apple's fault, per se. It would be an industry-wide problem.
There are also common, fairly prosaic, issues, like an accumulation of LINT in the connector (no fooling!) that make it SEEM like a USB-C port is "wearing out", when it isn't:
https://forums.oneplus.net/thr...
Here's another forum poster suggesting a "de-linting" fix:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus...
The Spec. is 10,000 insertion/extraction cycles. So you haven't worn out the Connector:
https://news.ycombinator.com/i...
More than likely, there is lint that is keeping the connector from being fully-inserted, and thus the spring-clip that holds the "plug" into the "jack" isn't able to actuate.