Compared to commercial gun manufacturers, Cisco probably had a much clearer idea of who they were dealing with and the consequences involved in being complicit -- unless we change the comparison to companies selling guns to known criminals.
Also notice how cathedral-like those Apple stores are -- glass to harness the ethereal, wooden altars to exalt the immaculate, and "genius" acolytes to guide you on the path to salvation (from PC original sin).
Considering that it takes wisdom that no college degree can confer......that means that the lawyers and social scientists don't have any more claim to it than the scientists and engineers.
... thus, the submission has no point and is irrelevant. My point exactly.
I volunteer as a Chinese ESL teacher at a US university (Vanderbilt), and all of my students are post-docs in their 30s and 40s. Those who have the willingness to immigrate (i.e no strong family or career attachments back in China) have done so and have brought their children here, and the common consensus among these scientists in preferring to educate their bright children here rather than in China (beyond the fact that there is less competition) is that while the US education system may not be as rigorous as that in China, it provides for a greater depth of learning with opportunities to add to one's edification beyond mere career preparation. Which means that if you believe we grind out drones in the US, then you haven't seen what the Chinese system does. That isn't to say the status quo in our system is good, but I think it gives perspective (and reliable counterpoint) to the common assumption that the Chinese system is "better".
I think you missed your parent's point. The US doesn't need to be the world's paragon of liberal democracy in order for his point to be valid. The US is categorically more liberal and more democratic than China, and that makes the choice of under whom one would wish to be ruled a very clear one indeed.
to that I'd reply that Chinese Confucianism is just as dogmatic and anti-liberal as any religion in the West, and the acuteness to which Chinese citizens acquiesce to nepotism just as damning to their future.
I wrote my previous post in haste, so I didn't get to explain why China's government has so many engineers. Today's top leaders are in their mid to late 60s, some even in their 70s, which means they began their higher education in the 1960s and 1970s. That was a time before the Economic Reform era, and China was still a planned society with a planned economy, which meant that post-secondary education and later career were assigned centrally. You took your national college entrance exam in high school, and your score determined which university you went to and what piece of the workforce quota you would later fill. Engineering was a tough field then as it is now, and what do you know the higher you scored the more likely you were assigned to an engineering school. These bright kids joined the party, went into politics, and carried their degrees along with them. One should not make the mistake of assuming it was because of those degrees that they have succeeded in China's political environment, nor to assume that they are better leaders due to that engineering degree above some other had they had the freedom to choose.
How many constitutional law professors, human rights lawyers, or social scientists do they have in top government places? Engineers serve valuable roles and are certainly well qualified in many respects, but running a country that's both successful and treats its people well requires wisdom that no college degree can ever confer. I take it that kkleiner meant to imply that China has set the standard in some way, and that other nations do themselves a disservice by not having as many engineers in top decision-making positions. If so, then it still begs the question what makes one believe an engineer would do a better job than someone of another profession when shaping public policy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_polarization#The_Internet We though greater connectivity would broaden our horizons, but it has only made us more narrow minded. And we have only ourselves to blame. I feel the way to combat this is to go outside (gasp) and meet/befriend local people of various backgrounds, and to seek to empathize more and to judge less. I know being judgmental is a rather common bad habit for for self-professed "nerds", and one that's hard to walk away from, but dammit please just try. Society has been going down this slippery slope for quite some time now and it will get worse the more we let the current carry us.
So essentially they're operating under the supposition that breaches in information security can weaken or even destroy the organization, that is if the communication system appears insecure then people will fear cooperating with you, endangering your ability to operate effectively, ultimately leading to you being outmaneuvered. This is the same excuse governments give for secrecy -- if the diplomatic communication system appears insecure, foreign nationals will fear cooperating with them, endangering their ability to operate effectively, ultimately leading to them being outmaneuvered by adversaries. What WL is doing lends credence to the idea that some secrets must be kept secret, and weakens one of the most popular arguments in their support.
So you know it's concise and up to date:D
Nowadays I've got breakingnews.com in its own window. Yeah, it's owned by MSNBC (not that there's anything wrong with it) but you get updates on freshly posted stories from popular news sites as well as twitter posts from journalists. I'm sure they have human editors to filter through everything, but they seem to be actually doing their job since stories and tweets are linked within minutes of going online.
Wait, so your argument is: I over-estimated the number of Libyan refugees, thus my argument that the world does not benefit from totalitarian nations getting our technology is now made invalid? Your post is an irrational attempt at derailing the thread from the crux of the argument through contradicting irrelevant minutia. Whoever modded you up should reread the entire thread and check his/her biases.
Yes, security among nations perhaps, but not security for people in totalitarian states. If Libya had better tech to defend against NATO, that country would probably be at "peace" right now in the sense that no nation would bother its sovereignty, but it would have a few hundred thousand less of its people, and harsher lives for those who remain. If either of their histories is any indication, Russia and China are indeed totalitarian states not too far removed from Libya in their stance towards dissent. What a wonderful peace for people of the world to look forward to.
Probably because there were other civilians in the compound, namely Osama bin Laden's wife and kids. Maybe the overriding motivation then was to not make people related to Osama into new martyr figures, and maybe secondary motivations are that the US doesn't want to cause unnecessary casualties, or maybe they were targets of arrest but the 2 choppers left over couldn't fit them on and the US was hoping Pakistan would arrest them and perhaps hand them over later (probably not gonna happen).
They're like-minded individuals who coalesce to serve a shared whim at a particular time. If so, then it is indeed difficult to pin any particular action or crime upon its body for prosecution, but at the same time it is equally difficult, if not more so, to unpin any accusations. I think we're seeing here one of the downsides to organizations whose structure of responsibility is nearly flat, where not only does the left hand not know what the right is doing, each hair on each finger doesn't know what the rest are doing. In light of their historic antics, those who align themselves with Anonymous fight an uphill battle to shed themselves of ill-repute whenever any such indictments surface. But they get no remorse from me -- it's a choice they've made and a reality they have to deal with.
Hey thanks, that went under my radar until now. However, a cursory glance puts those emails at being from 2010. I was referring to the ones WL was hinting at back late last year, I remember they said the emails were from 2006 and earlier, before the whole meltdown thing, which makes them especially juicy.
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The rationale behind pricing of a luxury good is not the same as that for wages. Get a grip.
Compared to commercial gun manufacturers, Cisco probably had a much clearer idea of who they were dealing with and the consequences involved in being complicit -- unless we change the comparison to companies selling guns to known criminals.
Someone /. doesn't care about: Free speech trumps privacy /. does care about: Privacy trumps free speech
Someone
Now that people know the holes exist, the race is on. They can't afford not to.
I'll admit we'd have to compare them through the eyes of "believers" to truly appreciate the similarities.
Also notice how cathedral-like those Apple stores are -- glass to harness the ethereal, wooden altars to exalt the immaculate, and "genius" acolytes to guide you on the path to salvation (from PC original sin).
Considering that it takes wisdom that no college degree can confer... ...that means that the lawyers and social scientists don't have any more claim to it than the scientists and engineers.
... thus, the submission has no point and is irrelevant. My point exactly.
I volunteer as a Chinese ESL teacher at a US university (Vanderbilt), and all of my students are post-docs in their 30s and 40s. Those who have the willingness to immigrate (i.e no strong family or career attachments back in China) have done so and have brought their children here, and the common consensus among these scientists in preferring to educate their bright children here rather than in China (beyond the fact that there is less competition) is that while the US education system may not be as rigorous as that in China, it provides for a greater depth of learning with opportunities to add to one's edification beyond mere career preparation. Which means that if you believe we grind out drones in the US, then you haven't seen what the Chinese system does. That isn't to say the status quo in our system is good, but I think it gives perspective (and reliable counterpoint) to the common assumption that the Chinese system is "better".
I think you missed your parent's point. The US doesn't need to be the world's paragon of liberal democracy in order for his point to be valid. The US is categorically more liberal and more democratic than China, and that makes the choice of under whom one would wish to be ruled a very clear one indeed.
to that I'd reply that Chinese Confucianism is just as dogmatic and anti-liberal as any religion in the West, and the acuteness to which Chinese citizens acquiesce to nepotism just as damning to their future.
I wrote my previous post in haste, so I didn't get to explain why China's government has so many engineers.
Today's top leaders are in their mid to late 60s, some even in their 70s, which means they began their higher education in the 1960s and 1970s. That was a time before the Economic Reform era, and China was still a planned society with a planned economy, which meant that post-secondary education and later career were assigned centrally. You took your national college entrance exam in high school, and your score determined which university you went to and what piece of the workforce quota you would later fill. Engineering was a tough field then as it is now, and what do you know the higher you scored the more likely you were assigned to an engineering school. These bright kids joined the party, went into politics, and carried their degrees along with them. One should not make the mistake of assuming it was because of those degrees that they have succeeded in China's political environment, nor to assume that they are better leaders due to that engineering degree above some other had they had the freedom to choose.
How many constitutional law professors, human rights lawyers, or social scientists do they have in top government places?
Engineers serve valuable roles and are certainly well qualified in many respects, but running a country that's both successful and treats its people well requires wisdom that no college degree can ever confer. I take it that kkleiner meant to imply that China has set the standard in some way, and that other nations do themselves a disservice by not having as many engineers in top decision-making positions. If so, then it still begs the question what makes one believe an engineer would do a better job than someone of another profession when shaping public policy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_polarization#The_Internet
We though greater connectivity would broaden our horizons, but it has only made us more narrow minded. And we have only ourselves to blame. I feel the way to combat this is to go outside (gasp) and meet/befriend local people of various backgrounds, and to seek to empathize more and to judge less. I know being judgmental is a rather common bad habit for for self-professed "nerds", and one that's hard to walk away from, but dammit please just try. Society has been going down this slippery slope for quite some time now and it will get worse the more we let the current carry us.
So essentially they're operating under the supposition that breaches in information security can weaken or even destroy the organization, that is if the communication system appears insecure then people will fear cooperating with you, endangering your ability to operate effectively, ultimately leading to you being outmaneuvered. This is the same excuse governments give for secrecy -- if the diplomatic communication system appears insecure, foreign nationals will fear cooperating with them, endangering their ability to operate effectively, ultimately leading to them being outmaneuvered by adversaries. What WL is doing lends credence to the idea that some secrets must be kept secret, and weakens one of the most popular arguments in their support.
So you know it's concise and up to date :D
Nowadays I've got breakingnews.com in its own window. Yeah, it's owned by MSNBC (not that there's anything wrong with it) but you get updates on freshly posted stories from popular news sites as well as twitter posts from journalists. I'm sure they have human editors to filter through everything, but they seem to be actually doing their job since stories and tweets are linked within minutes of going online.
If capitalism were a success, we'd all be working fewer hours and adults would be living significantly longer. We are not and they are not.
Downward path of working hours in US history (2 pages down)
[PDF warning]Upward path of life expectancy in US history (page 11)
inb4 more excuses
I detect a Chinese troll
Wait, so your argument is: I over-estimated the number of Libyan refugees, thus my argument that the world does not benefit from totalitarian nations getting our technology is now made invalid? Your post is an irrational attempt at derailing the thread from the crux of the argument through contradicting irrelevant minutia. Whoever modded you up should reread the entire thread and check his/her biases.
Yes, security among nations perhaps, but not security for people in totalitarian states. If Libya had better tech to defend against NATO, that country would probably be at "peace" right now in the sense that no nation would bother its sovereignty, but it would have a few hundred thousand less of its people, and harsher lives for those who remain. If either of their histories is any indication, Russia and China are indeed totalitarian states not too far removed from Libya in their stance towards dissent. What a wonderful peace for people of the world to look forward to.
Probably because there were other civilians in the compound, namely Osama bin Laden's wife and kids. Maybe the overriding motivation then was to not make people related to Osama into new martyr figures, and maybe secondary motivations are that the US doesn't want to cause unnecessary casualties, or maybe they were targets of arrest but the 2 choppers left over couldn't fit them on and the US was hoping Pakistan would arrest them and perhaps hand them over later (probably not gonna happen).
oops, i meant they get no sympathy. I knew I shouldn't have been typing that fast :(
They're like-minded individuals who coalesce to serve a shared whim at a particular time. If so, then it is indeed difficult to pin any particular action or crime upon its body for prosecution, but at the same time it is equally difficult, if not more so, to unpin any accusations. I think we're seeing here one of the downsides to organizations whose structure of responsibility is nearly flat, where not only does the left hand not know what the right is doing, each hair on each finger doesn't know what the rest are doing. In light of their historic antics, those who align themselves with Anonymous fight an uphill battle to shed themselves of ill-repute whenever any such indictments surface. But they get no remorse from me -- it's a choice they've made and a reality they have to deal with.
Additionally, if their proactive solution is erecting nets, they should be called construction workers rather than mental health professionals
Hey thanks, that went under my radar until now. However, a cursory glance puts those emails at being from 2010. I was referring to the ones WL was hinting at back late last year, I remember they said the emails were from 2006 and earlier, before the whole meltdown thing, which makes them especially juicy.
Where are those bank memos we were promised?