As a developer, I say that surely it's the tester's fault if there's flaws!
You may be joking, but if a tester didn't pick it up you actually have a point. That's the tester's ENTIRE job - picking these things up.
Then there's the issue of design. Is it a feature? Or a bug? Or a side effect? What exactly was the software meant to do? You need to go back to the specs, don't you? Or is it the marketing information which the developers might not even have seen before the product launch that you're trying to hold the developer accountable for?
There are of course times when it's very obvious that it was a bug that slipped through. For example it's hard to argue that a program crash is a design feature. (However even then you can still argue that the software is being used in a way that was not intended or designed for). Other times it's shades of grey.
...renegotiate so that you maintain some creative control anyway. If the deal falls through....well the money wasn't that important.
If you could sacrifice what you're doing right now in order to get money that will let you do a whole hell of a lot of other things, well take the money.
It's not that difficult a choice really. The difficulty is I don't think you do actually know what's more important to you.
Thank you for your suggestion that we learn from Lego. It has been duely noted and implemented as a course requirement for our engineers. We felt the most appropriate phase of education for this was primary school. We have checked, and fortunately all of our data centre engineers have this qualification.
The irony of including this one on the list. mX is a free hard copy news paper that is given away at train stations. It's quality is low, and it's target audience doesn't have a high IQ, but it's free and it makes excellent lining for bird cages.
So while theory says "absolutely no," reality says "hmmm maybe, well kinda, not totally sure." Same as warp drive, alternate universes, and a bunch of other things we can dream up.
You said it yourself. Crackpots. The only limitations are clearly stated in the assumptions.
....I started world war II, even though I wasn't born yet. World war I. Me again. I messed up the decimal point. I hate that. I always do that. Oh and that devasting flu epedemic that killed more people than the war. me again. The rise of aids. I'm afraid that was my friend Jim. Excuse me please I have to go take my little red pills.
A quick read through the article and a google search for SpringSource would be enough to enlighten people why this is important.
I think that's the point. I use Spring at work so I know what it is, but I don't have to tell people to google IBM or Microsoft. Is this a good thing? Does it offer more choice to a developer? Perhaps. Suggesting that they're some major threat is more than a little over the top. I won't be giving that blogger my page views.
...which is probably the point of this. The only reason to use ODF instead of MS native formats is for interoperability. When people don't use it, MS can point and say "see people don't want or need it and didn't care when we put it in". Useful at all manner of legal proceeding (antitrust anyone) to show that it's not important.
How about we make the punishment for infecting a computer $100 and one day in jail for each system you infect. This way, someone who does something stupid but isn't actually malicious pays a few hundred dollars and spends a few days in jail while the real criminals pay big bucks and spend years in jail. For 180k systems, that's an eighteen million dollar fine and nearly five hundred years of jail time.
You'd hit incompetent virus writers as hard as the big criminals. Think of the Melissa worm. Written for a stripper by a loser and it got out of hand.
If you create something and it isn't as good as you think you are capable of, you don't want to release it. Why would they release something they aren't happy with if they don't have a publisher ready to fire them all?
I think you mean "plain," unless you think Spain is covered in aircraft or woodworking tools. Hoisted by your own petard, eh?...and here I thought it meant vaguely ugly people...
If you create something and it isn't as good as you think you are capable of, you don't want to release it. Why would they release something they aren't happy with if they don't have a publisher ready to fire them all?
Perhaps because nothing you create will ever be perfect and if you release early your work isn't wasted if you're hit by a bus? Not saying you should release garbage, but if you managed to make something knowing you could do better, sitting on it doesn't benefit anyone. In the years it takes you to make version 2, even if nothing bad happens to you, the platform may have died, the style of game may have gone out of vogue etc.
I don't doubt you weren't cheating but I'm sorry but it sounds to me like:
1) You either were unable or unwilling to explain your logic in doing the problem. Even in your head there must be intermediate steps.
2) Failed the social test. You already had this teacher off side, but that could have been his fault. If you can do it your way you should take the time to learn to do the problem as it has been taught and show your work. THAT would have proved beyond a doubt that you can do the work.
It's not just getting the answer right to math problems that matters. Part of your schooling is proving you can do it. Part of your schooling is learning to get along with others and cooperate. You haven't learnt that lesson, and taking you out of an environment where you can do (school) and keeping you at home was a great disservice to you.
Someone with your intelligence (assuming you're honest about that, which I am) should be able to manipulate the social situation so that everyone likes them, and go off and do your own extended study in your spare time just for yourself.
This would also be alleviated if there was a license required before people could become parents....and what do you do if someone gets pregnant without a license? Execute them? Force them to abort the baby? Put them in prision where they no longer can even attempt to take responsibility for the child? Perhaps a large fine (making it impossible for them to financially support the child)?...or are you suggesting some sort of spooky large scale birth control in the water supply kind of scenario? Others are horrified at the idea of the authorities administering such a license in the first place never mind forcing people to do things they don't want to with their reproductive organs.
1) Teachers need to work hours comparable with other full time jobs - 40 per week, 3 weeks vacation.
Good, then my wife can stop working till 2 in the morning marking reports and assignments. When school is on break teachers do in general work less, no question. Note I said LESS work, and IN GENERAL. Some teachers are working to tight deadlines coming up with ciricula or doing other non-contact teaching work that eats away their holiday. When school is in they're doing WAY more than 40 hours a week. If you're only counting contact hours instead of planning, grading and professional development, what you want is a baby sitter, and they can be had much cheaper. Your kids however will learn nothing. The fact that you're even on this bandwagon means you wouldn't know teaching if it bit you.
2) Teachers need to be paid much, much more. This will make it attractive to a wider, more talented pool of individuals.
Teachers just need enough pay to be on the same level as other similar skilled professions. $70-100k/year sounds about right for a teacher that's been in for 10 years, not $32k. The decision between accountant and teacher should not be the decision between being able to live reasonably well and struggling to pay bills. Beyond a decent living, you start getting opportunists.
3) No reliable way to judge individual teachers on a massive scale, so don't do it.
That is called giving up. When the teachers realize they're not being rewarded for effort, being human, they stop putting in effort.
Result: Fewer teachers that work longer, are brighter, and are better paid. I don't think the "small classroom" is as important as a bright, hardworking teacher.
Then you're either a fool, or you never were part of a large class or you've forgotten what school was like, or some combination of the above.
This is actually a classic problem in resource management. If you have 6 forest fires happening, you would have to trade 1 brilliant fire fighter for 6 good enough ones. If you want to have a baby you can't have one in 1 month instead of 9 because you put 9 women on the job. Go read the mythical man month.
Getting back to gteaching, if a child doesn't have access to a teacher or a teacher is overrun with work it doesn't matter how good they are. What you get is one quickly burnt out and disillusioned teacher who's only there because it pays well.
Despite popular opinion, we actually invest a whole lot in our education system. The problem is we currently do it very poorly.
On this we agree, but I'm very thankful you're not in charge.
I took tests on stone tablets. So, get off my lawn.
Stone tablets? STONE TABLETS???? LUXURY!!!!!
When I did my tests we didn't have stone tablets. Only the professor had them! We had to scratch our answers in the mud or dirt! And if it rained we had to repeat the whole year!
....to release version 1 rather than ditch it and start all over, then go for another game with their improved idea? Reading between the lines I'm guessing they realized the engine wouldn't let them do version 1 properly, so they had to rework it.
It really sounds to me like a case of being scattered at the start, not designing well, then realizing that you can't do what you intended waaaay later than they should have. That's fine. They're doing it for free after all, but it should not be hailed as a triumph when a talented team only produces one thing in 7 years due to having to rework things.
Anyway don't know if I'll ever play it but thanks for the game - we could use more and more good mods. It's one thing that makes PC gaming so much richer than consoles. (Yes I know consoles can have mods but it's no where near as easy).
I can't understand you "obeying underling" type of people.
So because I don't choose the stupid and immature tactic of adding arbitrary text to my messages to supposedly trip up these filters (which are probably so awful they do a good enough job of tripping themselves up) you've chosen to insult and belittle me. Way to make friends and influence people.
Lets see. Obnoixious. Jumps to conclusions. Irrational zealotry. Willing to offend and insult people at the drop of a hat. Wants to push everything to extremes? Have you ever considered joining PETA? I think you're qualified.
Your argument disgusts and offends me, just as it insults all those who died for their freedom.
You don't even see the hypocrisy in speaking for "all those who died for their freedom", do you? Oh no tyranny for you, just everything your own way.
Then again it's hard to be disgusted when you're already dead isn't it.
You might want to consider a less scatterbrained, more precise and less combative approach to making your point.
(* I don't care about some people stating that you are not allowed to use this as an argument, even if it is a proper one, and then calling that a "rule". It is not one if it's not obeyed. )
I agree that Godwin's law/rule is a completely stupid and arbitrary one. I don't have a problem with you using an argument about Hitler's regime. I just have a problem with you using it so poorly.
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He's better off not working for them if:
A) They employ such tactics
B) His beliefs actually do strongly differ with the company's
Now the question is under French law can he sue? If he can, the next question is will it make him less employable suing an ex-employer?
As a developer, I say that surely it's the tester's fault if there's flaws!
You may be joking, but if a tester didn't pick it up you actually have a point. That's the tester's ENTIRE job - picking these things up.
Then there's the issue of design. Is it a feature? Or a bug? Or a side effect? What exactly was the software meant to do? You need to go back to the specs, don't you? Or is it the marketing information which the developers might not even have seen before the product launch that you're trying to hold the developer accountable for?
There are of course times when it's very obvious that it was a bug that slipped through. For example it's hard to argue that a program crash is a design feature. (However even then you can still argue that the software is being used in a way that was not intended or designed for). Other times it's shades of grey.
...renegotiate so that you maintain some creative control anyway. If the deal falls through....well the money wasn't that important.
If you could sacrifice what you're doing right now in order to get money that will let you do a whole hell of a lot of other things, well take the money.
It's not that difficult a choice really. The difficulty is I don't think you do actually know what's more important to you.
FYI ODF 1.2 still hasn't even been finalised yet, so you can't really blame Microsoft for not yet implementing it until its finished.
With an attitude like that...Will you please be my boss?
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your suggestion that we learn from Lego. It has been duely noted and implemented as a course requirement for our engineers. We felt the most appropriate phase of education for this was primary school. We have checked, and fortunately all of our data centre engineers have this qualification.
Sincerely,
Eng G. Neer.
Human Resources
Megacorp Limited.
mX (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane)
The irony of including this one on the list. mX is a free hard copy news paper that is given away at train stations. It's quality is low, and it's target audience doesn't have a high IQ, but it's free and it makes excellent lining for bird cages.
How about FireFork?Z
What's wrong with ForkFox or better yet ForkerFox? Much more accurate given what some people choose to browse.
So while theory says "absolutely no," reality says "hmmm maybe, well kinda, not totally sure." Same as warp drive, alternate universes, and a bunch of other things we can dream up.
You said it yourself. Crackpots. The only limitations are clearly stated in the assumptions.
There is nothing dorkier than geeks and nerds arguing over the correct name to use for wonks.
Isn't the correct term wonker?
There's no such thing as proof that something ISN'T possible
Wrong, and here's a counter-example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
....I started world war II, even though I wasn't born yet. World war I. Me again. I messed up the decimal point. I hate that. I always do that. Oh and that devasting flu epedemic that killed more people than the war. me again. The rise of aids. I'm afraid that was my friend Jim. Excuse me please I have to go take my little red pills.
A quick read through the article and a google search for SpringSource would be enough to enlighten people why this is important.
I think that's the point. I use Spring at work so I know what it is, but I don't have to tell people to google IBM or Microsoft. Is this a good thing? Does it offer more choice to a developer? Perhaps. Suggesting that they're some major threat is more than a little over the top. I won't be giving that blogger my page views.
...which is probably the point of this. The only reason to use ODF instead of MS native formats is for interoperability. When people don't use it, MS can point and say "see people don't want or need it and didn't care when we put it in". Useful at all manner of legal proceeding (antitrust anyone) to show that it's not important.
Why does this sound like a cross between an Onion and Swine Flu?
Take your pig...I mean pick:
- Huh? That's not how a knock knock joke starts!
- Because it shares much in common with self marinading swine flu.
How about we make the punishment for infecting a computer $100 and one day in jail for each system you infect. This way, someone who does something stupid but isn't actually malicious pays a few hundred dollars and spends a few days in jail while the real criminals pay big bucks and spend years in jail. For 180k systems, that's an eighteen million dollar fine and nearly five hundred years of jail time.
You'd hit incompetent virus writers as hard as the big criminals. Think of the Melissa worm. Written for a stripper by a loser and it got out of hand.
If you create something and it isn't as good as you think you are capable of, you don't want to release it. Why would they release something they aren't happy with if they don't have a publisher ready to fire them all?
I think you mean "plain ," unless you think Spain is covered in aircraft or woodworking tools. Hoisted by your own petard, eh? ...and here I thought it meant vaguely ugly people...
If you create something and it isn't as good as you think you are capable of, you don't want to release it. Why would they release something they aren't happy with if they don't have a publisher ready to fire them all?
Perhaps because nothing you create will ever be perfect and if you release early your work isn't wasted if you're hit by a bus? Not saying you should release garbage, but if you managed to make something knowing you could do better, sitting on it doesn't benefit anyone. In the years it takes you to make version 2, even if nothing bad happens to you, the platform may have died, the style of game may have gone out of vogue etc.
I can't help that you become fixed on 2 words in a post that had many more.
I don't doubt you weren't cheating but I'm sorry but it sounds to me like:
1) You either were unable or unwilling to explain your logic in doing the problem. Even in your head there must be intermediate steps.
2) Failed the social test. You already had this teacher off side, but that could have been his fault. If you can do it your way you should take the time to learn to do the problem as it has been taught and show your work. THAT would have proved beyond a doubt that you can do the work.
It's not just getting the answer right to math problems that matters. Part of your schooling is proving you can do it. Part of your schooling is learning to get along with others and cooperate. You haven't learnt that lesson, and taking you out of an environment where you can do (school) and keeping you at home was a great disservice to you.
Someone with your intelligence (assuming you're honest about that, which I am) should be able to manipulate the social situation so that everyone likes them, and go off and do your own extended study in your spare time just for yourself.
This would also be alleviated if there was a license required before people could become parents. ...and what do you do if someone gets pregnant without a license? Execute them? Force them to abort the baby? Put them in prision where they no longer can even attempt to take responsibility for the child? Perhaps a large fine (making it impossible for them to financially support the child)? ...or are you suggesting some sort of spooky large scale birth control in the water supply kind of scenario? Others are horrified at the idea of the authorities administering such a license in the first place never mind forcing people to do things they don't want to with their reproductive organs.
1) Teachers need to work hours comparable with other full time jobs - 40 per week, 3 weeks vacation.
Good, then my wife can stop working till 2 in the morning marking reports and assignments. When school is on break teachers do in general work less, no question. Note I said LESS work, and IN GENERAL. Some teachers are working to tight deadlines coming up with ciricula or doing other non-contact teaching work that eats away their holiday. When school is in they're doing WAY more than 40 hours a week. If you're only counting contact hours instead of planning, grading and professional development, what you want is a baby sitter, and they can be had much cheaper. Your kids however will learn nothing. The fact that you're even on this bandwagon means you wouldn't know teaching if it bit you.
2) Teachers need to be paid much, much more. This will make it attractive to a wider, more talented pool of individuals.
Teachers just need enough pay to be on the same level as other similar skilled professions. $70-100k/year sounds about right for a teacher that's been in for 10 years, not $32k. The decision between accountant and teacher should not be the decision between being able to live reasonably well and struggling to pay bills. Beyond a decent living, you start getting opportunists.
3) No reliable way to judge individual teachers on a massive scale, so don't do it.
That is called giving up. When the teachers realize they're not being rewarded for effort, being human, they stop putting in effort.
Result: Fewer teachers that work longer, are brighter, and are better paid. I don't think the "small classroom" is as important as a bright, hardworking teacher.
Then you're either a fool, or you never were part of a large class or you've forgotten what school was like, or some combination of the above.
This is actually a classic problem in resource management. If you have 6 forest fires happening, you would have to trade 1 brilliant fire fighter for 6 good enough ones. If you want to have a baby you can't have one in 1 month instead of 9 because you put 9 women on the job. Go read the mythical man month.
Getting back to gteaching, if a child doesn't have access to a teacher or a teacher is overrun with work it doesn't matter how good they are. What you get is one quickly burnt out and disillusioned teacher who's only there because it pays well.
Despite popular opinion, we actually invest a whole lot in our education system. The problem is we currently do it very poorly.
On this we agree, but I'm very thankful you're not in charge.
Stone tablets? Writing! When I did my tests you had to sing the entire oral canon while accompanying yourself on a lute!
A lute? A LUTE??? LUXURY!!!!
I took tests on stone tablets. So, get off my lawn.
Stone tablets? STONE TABLETS???? LUXURY!!!!!
When I did my tests we didn't have stone tablets. Only the professor had them! We had to scratch our answers in the mud or dirt! And if it rained we had to repeat the whole year!
....to release version 1 rather than ditch it and start all over, then go for another game with their improved idea? Reading between the lines I'm guessing they realized the engine wouldn't let them do version 1 properly, so they had to rework it.
It really sounds to me like a case of being scattered at the start, not designing well, then realizing that you can't do what you intended waaaay later than they should have. That's fine. They're doing it for free after all, but it should not be hailed as a triumph when a talented team only produces one thing in 7 years due to having to rework things.
Anyway don't know if I'll ever play it but thanks for the game - we could use more and more good mods. It's one thing that makes PC gaming so much richer than consoles. (Yes I know consoles can have mods but it's no where near as easy).
I can't understand you "obeying underling" type of people.
So because I don't choose the stupid and immature tactic of adding arbitrary text to my messages to supposedly trip up these filters (which are probably so awful they do a good enough job of tripping themselves up) you've chosen to insult and belittle me. Way to make friends and influence people.
Lets see. Obnoixious. Jumps to conclusions. Irrational zealotry. Willing to offend and insult people at the drop of a hat. Wants to push everything to extremes? Have you ever considered joining PETA? I think you're qualified.
Your argument disgusts and offends me, just as it insults all those who died for their freedom.
You don't even see the hypocrisy in speaking for "all those who died for their freedom", do you? Oh no tyranny for you, just everything your own way.
Then again it's hard to be disgusted when you're already dead isn't it.
You might want to consider a less scatterbrained, more precise and less combative approach to making your point.
(* I don't care about some people stating that you are not allowed to use this as an argument, even if it is a proper one, and then calling that a "rule". It is not one if it's not obeyed. )
I agree that Godwin's law/rule is a completely stupid and arbitrary one. I don't have a problem with you using an argument about Hitler's regime. I just have a problem with you using it so poorly.