Charging that way would be pretty much like the way utility companies charge their customers, which is precisely why ISPs (in my opinion) would never go for it: They'd end up being DECLARED public utilities (looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, therefore IT'S A DUCK principle) and therefore subject to all the regulation that goes with it, which is the last thing they ever want. Also people would then start closely monitoring their own usage, to keep their monthly bill down, which would mean ISPs would become unprofitable. Also, wireless companies are at least as much ISPs as they are cell service providers anymore, so they'd be next. Between the two they'd both become very unprofitable compared to the way things are now, which is why they'd all fight it tooth and nail. Would probably be great for consumers. Too bad it'll never happen.
I've had the same question recently and the answer I got was Proton Mail, based in Switzerland. Fully encrypted end-to-end. I'm surprised someone else hasn't mentioned it by now.
I dunno about you, friend, but I'm getting pretty gods-be-damned tired of witnessing how my species treats it's own. At our best, we're so much better than this, and I say this knowing damn well that it's easy to be kind and generous when everything is fine and there is plenty of everything to go around, and that you really don't know people until you've seen them at their absolute worst. But it's the fact that we can be so much better than this and all the crap that's going on in the world right now that simultaneously saddens and angers me the most. At current I can't call homo sapiens a 'civilized' race and keep a straight face.
No reply required. I'm just getting thoughts out of my head, before it explodes. Again.:-/
As much as I think North Korea is a cancer on the face of the world, and that Kim Jong Un needs to suffer a tragic and fatal 'accident', I don't trust the CIA, NSA, or any other U.S. intelligence agency as far as I could throw them, so who knows if anything is actually true or not.
I'd say your naivete was adorable if it wasn't so pathetic.
Does ANYBODY actually believe that there is ANY 'service' out there that doesn't collect all the data they can on you, regardless of how much you're paying them? Show of hands, please? Anyone? Bueller?
Do yourself a favor, AC: WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY.
So it's come to this? They expect/encourage you to DIRECTLY give them all your Most Persona and Private Data? WTF, Google!? What's next, "Let us store all that banking and credit card information for you!". Fuck that shit. Glad I have nothing to do with any Google services that require a sign-in.
I thought Germany was one of the countries that valued privacy, the 'right to be forgotten' on the Internet, etc? How come all of the sudden they sound like the UK?
LOL you must be a smoker, and like all drug addicts, you irrationally defend your addiction at all costs, disregarding facts and logic. Also, flinging base insults at people is a sure sign of someone who has run out of intellectual ammunition. You can't defend smoking, you can't defend e-cigarrettes or vaping; ADMIT IT. Then go get into a smoking cessation program. Don't you want to be around to see your grandchildren grow up?
There will always be people who are poor and can't afford high-end things, and therefore there will always be things with fewer extra features that are more basic devices -- and that's what I'll be buying. All it has to be good at is being a television set -- not a computer, not a web browser, not anything but displaying a picture. Are you trying to convince me to change my mind and go "Oh well I guess I just be part of the herd and get a smart everything, be monitored 24/7/365, LOL!"? Because that's never going to happen. Ever. So please just stop, if that's what you're doing, because you're wasting your time. Peer pressure only works on dumb teenagers and emotionally immature adults, it doesn't work on ME -- and it doesn't matter if the 'peer pressure' comes from people I know, random anons on the Internet, or big corporations, your words are unimportant to me; I do not hear them.
To be fair: The current gen of optical mice have drawbacks; the surface you use them on has to have some features to it, otherwise the motion-sensing algorithm the firmware uses doesn't work, and, ironically, if you used a 1st gen optical mousepad (repeating pattern) with it, it likewise wouldn't work right (too regular!), but it's nice to not have to be constrained by the edges of a mousepad, like back in the days when they had a ball in them.
Killing someone because he said something about {insert name of 'diety' here} that other people didn't like
Seriously, people: What the actual FUCK does it say about Humans that in 2017 something like this can actually happen!?
This is not the act of a truly intelligent, sentient, civilized race of beings, it is the act of a race of uppity animals -- and make no mistake, I am including the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE in this, not just Pakistan!
Mad? FUCK YES I'm MAD when I read this. Bullshit like this is why I HATE ALL RELIGION, think it's a CANCER on humanity in general, and I wish SO MUCH that we'd somehow evolve past the point of needing 'gods' and 'religion' and all the stupid bullshit that goes with all that.
Seriously, people: A MAN IS GOING TO ***LOSE HIS LIFE*** FOR SOMETHING HE ***SAID*** -- NOT ***DID***, BUT JUST FOR ***WORDS***. What does that say about us, AS A SPECIES!?
I am ASHAMED to admit being part of the species Homo Sapiens when I see shit like this. ASHAMED!
A 'person' can be smart. 'People' are dumb panicky animals, and you damned well know it.
I am not 'people'; I am a 'person', and again: IDGAF what 'people' do, I am not a Lemming, either. I do not want a 'smart TV', I do not see the POINT to a 'smart TV', and I am not ever buying a 'smart TV', and if I'm not given a choice, I will hack my way AROUND it being connected to the gods-be-damned Internet, one way or another. Hell, I'll use a computer monitor for my DVR instead of a TV if that's what it comes down to.
Wasn't one of the big selling points of the 2nd-generation optical mice is that you didn't need a mouse pad anymore, you could use it on more or less any surface, even an uneven one? Now they want to sell you an expensive mouse pad? Seems backwards.
I'm sure all the people who are addicted to nicotine and are dying of lung cancer right now will enthusiastically agree with you. So will their family members.
I really DGAF. I can't see a world where you're REQUIRED to have always-connected internet to watch over-the-air TV, DVD, or local video files. I'd rather be left behind than be forced to do shit I don't want to do, and I know I'm not alone in that sentiment. IDGAF what 'everyone else' is doing, either.
And now we go back to the top of the thread: You could create a questionnaire that does just as well at predicting who will try to kill themselves; are you going to call ink on a piece of paper an 'AI', too?
Until you can show me a so-called AI that is at least everything that defines us as human beings, then all you've got is a piss-poor imitation that doesn't deserve to be called 'artificial intelligence'. 'Machine learning' and 'algorithms' aren't even as smart as a dog-brain and don't qualify.
No, I'm clearly not, you're just thinking in absolutes. Or would you rather go back to the 1930s/1940s when tobacco companies were actually telling people smoking IMPROVED their health?
An 'adult' is defined as someone who is at least 18 years of age (less in some States, here in the U.S.); how many 18 year old males do you know who make sound, well-thought-out decisions about pretty much anything?;-) The track record doesn't get much better for 20-somethings either.
Freind bought a smart TV because that's what was on sale at Costco. Told her all I knew about them. After her eyes stopped showing so much of the whites, we made sure it's not in any way capable of connecting to the Internet. They want to make it required to connect to 'register' your new TV? You connect it ONCE, then pull the plug.
For my part if I somehow get roped into some shitty TV that uses tactics like that, I'll call and tell them "I ain't got no 'internet', how do I make my teevee work?" and if they don't have a work-around (like register it over the phone) then I take it back and complain. In the end they want to sell you a goddamned TV, not piss you off enough to want your money back. They won't help? Rinse, repeat; someone else will.
To make matters worse, many of the new vehicles not only have wireless 3G or better transmitters on them, but they are so tightly integrated into the cars system, that you cannot simply disable them, without crippling the car to the point to where it may not run.
That's not believable. That would create a HUGE safety problem. Anyone who told you that was lying to you, friend, trying to sell you shit you don't want or need.
What do I need cruise control for? Because my foot gets cramped sometimes on a 3 hour trip and I'd like to be able to change the position of my right leg/foot.;-)
Why are there some people (like you apparently) who INSIST that you either immediately adopt ALL new technology, OR you're a Luddite, rejecting ALL technology? Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that some of us use technology WE feel is appropriate for our needs/desires/uses, and the heck with the rest of it? I need a car or pickup truck that is good at being a car/pickup truck, not a rolling Lifestyle/Fashion Statement/Entertainment Center. I find all that crap distractiing and annoying, and by the way just more expensive junk to break down and make my life miserable when it does. Give me a vehicle that is RELIABLE, with a decent stereo, and climate controls that work, and I'm happy.
They're very often 'abnormally cheap' because they're subsidized to encourage adoption of lower-energy-usage lighting products. They did the same with CFL bulbs. Where I live (Sacramento valley), SMUD (local power company) often subsidizes things like that -- and not IoT lighting, either, by the way.
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Charging that way would be pretty much like the way utility companies charge their customers, which is precisely why ISPs (in my opinion) would never go for it: They'd end up being DECLARED public utilities (looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, therefore IT'S A DUCK principle) and therefore subject to all the regulation that goes with it, which is the last thing they ever want. Also people would then start closely monitoring their own usage, to keep their monthly bill down, which would mean ISPs would become unprofitable. Also, wireless companies are at least as much ISPs as they are cell service providers anymore, so they'd be next. Between the two they'd both become very unprofitable compared to the way things are now, which is why they'd all fight it tooth and nail. Would probably be great for consumers. Too bad it'll never happen.
I've had the same question recently and the answer I got was Proton Mail, based in Switzerland. Fully encrypted end-to-end. I'm surprised someone else hasn't mentioned it by now.
I dunno about you, friend, but I'm getting pretty gods-be-damned tired of witnessing how my species treats it's own. At our best, we're so much better than this, and I say this knowing damn well that it's easy to be kind and generous when everything is fine and there is plenty of everything to go around, and that you really don't know people until you've seen them at their absolute worst. But it's the fact that we can be so much better than this and all the crap that's going on in the world right now that simultaneously saddens and angers me the most. At current I can't call homo sapiens a 'civilized' race and keep a straight face.
:-/
No reply required. I'm just getting thoughts out of my head, before it explodes. Again.
As much as I think North Korea is a cancer on the face of the world, and that Kim Jong Un needs to suffer a tragic and fatal 'accident', I don't trust the CIA, NSA, or any other U.S. intelligence agency as far as I could throw them, so who knows if anything is actually true or not.
I'd say your naivete was adorable if it wasn't so pathetic.
Does ANYBODY actually believe that there is ANY 'service' out there that doesn't collect all the data they can on you, regardless of how much you're paying them? Show of hands, please? Anyone? Bueller?
Do yourself a favor, AC: WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY.
Pretty much anything you pay for online is you paying for the 'privilege' of being surveilled, spyed on, and data-mined.
So it's come to this? They expect/encourage you to DIRECTLY give them all your Most Persona and Private Data? WTF, Google!? What's next, "Let us store all that banking and credit card information for you!". Fuck that shit. Glad I have nothing to do with any Google services that require a sign-in.
I thought Germany was one of the countries that valued privacy, the 'right to be forgotten' on the Internet, etc? How come all of the sudden they sound like the UK?
LOL you must be a smoker, and like all drug addicts, you irrationally defend your addiction at all costs, disregarding facts and logic. Also, flinging base insults at people is a sure sign of someone who has run out of intellectual ammunition. You can't defend smoking, you can't defend e-cigarrettes or vaping; ADMIT IT. Then go get into a smoking cessation program. Don't you want to be around to see your grandchildren grow up?
$2.4m (1.9m pound)
So, 0.0024USD, and 0.0019 Pounds? No wonder it failed, you can't buy anything with less than a penny!
There will always be people who are poor and can't afford high-end things, and therefore there will always be things with fewer extra features that are more basic devices -- and that's what I'll be buying. All it has to be good at is being a television set -- not a computer, not a web browser, not anything but displaying a picture. Are you trying to convince me to change my mind and go "Oh well I guess I just be part of the herd and get a smart everything, be monitored 24/7/365, LOL!"? Because that's never going to happen. Ever. So please just stop, if that's what you're doing, because you're wasting your time. Peer pressure only works on dumb teenagers and emotionally immature adults, it doesn't work on ME -- and it doesn't matter if the 'peer pressure' comes from people I know, random anons on the Internet, or big corporations, your words are unimportant to me; I do not hear them.
Have a nice day, friend. We're done here.
To be fair: The current gen of optical mice have drawbacks; the surface you use them on has to have some features to it, otherwise the motion-sensing algorithm the firmware uses doesn't work, and, ironically, if you used a 1st gen optical mousepad (repeating pattern) with it, it likewise wouldn't work right (too regular!), but it's nice to not have to be constrained by the edges of a mousepad, like back in the days when they had a ball in them.
Killing someone because he said something about {insert name of 'diety' here} that other people didn't like
Seriously, people: What the actual FUCK does it say about Humans that in 2017 something like this can actually happen!?
This is not the act of a truly intelligent, sentient, civilized race of beings, it is the act of a race of uppity animals -- and make no mistake, I am including the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE in this, not just Pakistan!
Mad? FUCK YES I'm MAD when I read this. Bullshit like this is why I HATE ALL RELIGION, think it's a CANCER on humanity in general, and I wish SO MUCH that we'd somehow evolve past the point of needing 'gods' and 'religion' and all the stupid bullshit that goes with all that.
Seriously, people: A MAN IS GOING TO ***LOSE HIS LIFE*** FOR SOMETHING HE ***SAID*** -- NOT ***DID***, BUT JUST FOR ***WORDS***. What does that say about us, AS A SPECIES!?
I am ASHAMED to admit being part of the species Homo Sapiens when I see shit like this. ASHAMED!
A 'person' can be smart. 'People' are dumb panicky animals, and you damned well know it.
I am not 'people'; I am a 'person', and again: IDGAF what 'people' do, I am not a Lemming, either. I do not want a 'smart TV', I do not see the POINT to a 'smart TV', and I am not ever buying a 'smart TV', and if I'm not given a choice, I will hack my way AROUND it being connected to the gods-be-damned Internet, one way or another. Hell, I'll use a computer monitor for my DVR instead of a TV if that's what it comes down to.
Wasn't one of the big selling points of the 2nd-generation optical mice is that you didn't need a mouse pad anymore, you could use it on more or less any surface, even an uneven one? Now they want to sell you an expensive mouse pad? Seems backwards.
I'm sure all the people who are addicted to nicotine and are dying of lung cancer right now will enthusiastically agree with you. So will their family members.
I really DGAF. I can't see a world where you're REQUIRED to have always-connected internet to watch over-the-air TV, DVD, or local video files. I'd rather be left behind than be forced to do shit I don't want to do, and I know I'm not alone in that sentiment. IDGAF what 'everyone else' is doing, either.
And now we go back to the top of the thread: You could create a questionnaire that does just as well at predicting who will try to kill themselves; are you going to call ink on a piece of paper an 'AI', too?
Until you can show me a so-called AI that is at least everything that defines us as human beings, then all you've got is a piss-poor imitation that doesn't deserve to be called 'artificial intelligence'. 'Machine learning' and 'algorithms' aren't even as smart as a dog-brain and don't qualify.
No, I'm clearly not, you're just thinking in absolutes. Or would you rather go back to the 1930s/1940s when tobacco companies were actually telling people smoking IMPROVED their health?
An 'adult' is defined as someone who is at least 18 years of age (less in some States, here in the U.S.); how many 18 year old males do you know who make sound, well-thought-out decisions about pretty much anything? ;-) The track record doesn't get much better for 20-somethings either.
Freind bought a smart TV because that's what was on sale at Costco. Told her all I knew about them. After her eyes stopped showing so much of the whites, we made sure it's not in any way capable of connecting to the Internet. They want to make it required to connect to 'register' your new TV? You connect it ONCE, then pull the plug.
For my part if I somehow get roped into some shitty TV that uses tactics like that, I'll call and tell them "I ain't got no 'internet', how do I make my teevee work?" and if they don't have a work-around (like register it over the phone) then I take it back and complain. In the end they want to sell you a goddamned TV, not piss you off enough to want your money back. They won't help? Rinse, repeat; someone else will.
To make matters worse, many of the new vehicles not only have wireless 3G or better transmitters on them, but they are so tightly integrated into the cars system, that you cannot simply disable them, without crippling the car to the point to where it may not run.
That's not believable. That would create a HUGE safety problem. Anyone who told you that was lying to you, friend, trying to sell you shit you don't want or need.
What do I need cruise control for? Because my foot gets cramped sometimes on a 3 hour trip and I'd like to be able to change the position of my right leg/foot. ;-)
Why are there some people (like you apparently) who INSIST that you either immediately adopt ALL new technology, OR you're a Luddite, rejecting ALL technology? Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that some of us use technology WE feel is appropriate for our needs/desires/uses, and the heck with the rest of it? I need a car or pickup truck that is good at being a car/pickup truck, not a rolling Lifestyle/Fashion Statement/Entertainment Center. I find all that crap distractiing and annoying, and by the way just more expensive junk to break down and make my life miserable when it does. Give me a vehicle that is RELIABLE, with a decent stereo, and climate controls that work, and I'm happy.
..oh, but would I put it past IoT manufacturers to sell at a loss, just to encourage people to buy? Sure I would.
They're very often 'abnormally cheap' because they're subsidized to encourage adoption of lower-energy-usage lighting products. They did the same with CFL bulbs. Where I live (Sacramento valley), SMUD (local power company) often subsidizes things like that -- and not IoT lighting, either, by the way.