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Man Sentenced to Death For Blasphemous Facebook Comments In Pakistan (gizmodo.com)
In what is believed to be "the first time the death penalty had been awarded in a case related to social media," a 30-year-old man in Pakistan has been sentenced to death for blasphemy in comments made on Facebook. Gizmodo reports: The prosecutor told The Times of India that Taimoor Raza was arrested "after playing blasphemous and hate speech material on his phone on a bus stop in Bahawalpur, where a counter-terrorism officer arrested him and confiscated his phone." It was the material on Raza's phone that led to his arrest. The Guardian reports that the accused's brother said Raza "indulged in a sectarian debate on Facebook with a person, who we later come to know, was a [counter-terrorism department] official with the name of Muhammad Usman." Raza's defense attorney told The Guardian the initial charges were limited to "insulting remarks on sectarian grounds," which carries a maximum two-year jail sentence, but that "derogatory acts against prophet Muhammad," which carry a death sentence, were added later. According to The Times of India, Raza will be able to appeal the ruling to the Pakistani High Court and the Supreme Court. Facebook said in a statement: "We are deeply saddened and concerned by the death sentence served in Pakistan for a Facebook post. Facebook uses powerful systems to keep people's information secure and tools to keep their accounts safe, and we do not provide any government with direct access to people's data. We will continue to protect our community from unnecessary or overreaching government intervention."
> Facebook uses powerful systems to keep people's information secure and tools to keep their accounts safe, and we do not provide any government with direct access to people's data.
So was Snowden lying when he said the NSA could look up phone, e-mail and other private communication? Or is Snowden a Limited hangout? Has America forgotten about the spy network?
This has less to do with Facebook and more with what happens when you let imaginary friends rule your life.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Facebook is an enabler for the religion of peace.
I knew facebook was a waste of time, but for one unlucky sap, it was a waste of the rest of his life!
At what point do we drop the political correctness and accept that Islam in the present day is more violent than other religions? I don't care about the past of Christianity, Judaism, and other religions. Violence committed in the name of the Gods of those religions is generally considered blasphemy. Christians might tell you that you're going to hell and say offensive things to you, but they're thankfully not killing people like the Muslims are.
When do we decide that the Islamic religion of the present day is too violent and insist that it reform or be banned? If religion were generally the problem, we would see Christians committing violent acts the way Muslims are. The fact is, they're not. There is a Christian state, specifically a Catholic one. It's called the Holy See. They don't have a military outside of the Swiss guards, and the Holy See is pretty pacifist in its nature. Contrast that with fundamentalist Islam and you'll see a huge difference. The "religion of peace" isn't peaceful at all. In fact, it's incredibly violent compared to other contemporary religions.
Surely many are curious.
None of the links are helpful. Does anyone have a source?
Do as the Romans.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
End of discussion.
...there is no company policy or code you can write that will keep Islam from making you look like shit by association.
I'm sure they will magically transform into western citizens with western ideals, especially if we pander to them hard enough!
Now westerners, bend over to lovingly accept the sword of Islam! Teach them tolerance! Nothing inspire admiration like being a pushover!
This is frighting. With friends like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who needs enemies?
On to Facebooks statement
> Facebook uses powerful systems to keep people's information secure and tools to keep their accounts safe,
Bullshit because they sell peoples data to companies. They have for a long time and privacy is deliberately made difficult by them.
> and we do not provide any government with direct access to people's data.
No. All they need do is call you up and say "pretty please". If FB is serious they will go all out with their influence over US politicians and their billions of dollars and their lobbying efforts to save this guy instead of hand wringing and weasel words while he's carted off to die.
Especially here in the EU, I see all those idiots (May comes to mind, but also German justice minister Maas and many others) trying to outsource the regulation of "hate speech" and other eminently societal issues to private enterprise.
Lesson: don't do that. Tax those companies properly, and do your fucking job. You (or your parties) have been voted into office to do exactly that. Because one's terrorist is the other's freedom fighter, and one's blasphemy is the other's parody. Private enterprise can't solve that (although they love being paid for it!).
Politicians: do your fucking job.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, doubles as a fine demonstration of the importance of safeguarding anonymity on the internet.
"Islam is evil!" No, shitty third world governments are evil. They find all sorts of reasons to oppress people, Christian, Muslim, or whatever,
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Why the fucking hell do you have to slimily lump all religions together?
I mean, yeah, some Christians did say MEAN THINGS about the Piss Christ artist, so there you go.
Isn't that where they charged a toddler with murder? Classy place. Another example of how religion just makes everything better.
Pakistan tourism advice; don't go, and tell everyone you know not to go (they already know).
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
[Insert pseudo-intellectual, possibly funny thing about how there's no god and/or religion is bad]
[Insert something anti-Islamic and possibly confuse Arabs and Pakistanis]
[Not realise Pakistan is not in the Middle East and post something potentially or obviously anti-Islamic]
[Argue whether or not the second and third options are the same thing]
Fuck mohammad and all who kill in his name.
This is a good example of why religion should be abolished throughout the world, ANY religion.. Religion has always been about control of the people, nothing more, nothing less. No law should EVER be based on religious stuff, and certainly religion should never be a reason why should be able to discriminate without problems, but if you say the same thing outside religion your bound to get in trouble.. Most wars are in the name of some religion, but all are about power and control..
People who live under repressive regimes need to do whatever it takes to emigrate from them. If they want a voice, they need to live in a country that wants them to have one. If not, and if their community does not feel like they do, then situations such as this are them going against societies norms. Whether it is smoking pot, being into underage kids, whether it is blasphemy against Jehovah, God, Allah, their prophets, or just the almighty dollar and its current figurehead. If you choose to buck the system your reside within, you WILL be smacked down. You may even die. If you are willing to do so for a higher philosophical/political/religious purpose, then good for you. But if you are *NOT* then sit down, shut up, and don't rock the boat until long after you have GTFO'd.
*said as an American waiting quietly to GTFO*
is why I don't use my real name on any social media. Government enforced censorship is just the worst.
You misunderstood. The imaginary friends in the heavens, not in The Cloud.
that religion should be made illegal in every nation possible, because everywhere that islam dominates they quickly become an oppressive theocratic tyranny.
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Yet Pakistan is a classic example of a majority muslim country, and this is what happens. If you transferred all the Pakistanis in the world to the United States, do you think their beliefs and personalities would magically change just because they were standing on a different piece of land? Probably...
It is up to people in the free (i.e. non-muslim) world to continually expose and fight against the evil that is Islam, before the entire planet is living under this insane, tyrannous system.
It's illegal for the government to do that sort of thing in the USA. So instead the same religious nuts but merely christian nuts go out and sentence blasphemers to death and if caught are categorised as "lone wolf" nutters.
The result is the same.
It's only that the government isn't allowed to do it.
At least not openly.
*THIS* should be raised whenever some politician goes "Government must have access to Facebook/WhatsApp/etc. for security"!
In the UK, the current government has been hysterically running around shouting that Facebook is allowing all sorts of nasty illegal content to be disseminated. While that's certainly true, it bears remembering that one country's "illegal" is another country's "cherished freedom".
If the UK government has the right to access it's citizen's Facebook pages for "illegal" content, then you can guarantee Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Somalia, Russia and all sorts of other ghastly states will demand the same right. And then, through the law of unintended consequences, a lot of people (who the liberal west would consider friends), will either wind up behind bars or six feet under.
If we are willing to give our governments access to our data to "keep us safe", we have to accept that governments we may not like will use the same powers to do harm to their own citizens. This is the moral choice that's not raised by the screaming "think of the children" brigade.
Just begging the question. It's bad because something as bad could replace it?!?!?
So don't jail a murderer, it may just cause someone else to do something WORSE in retaliation!
oh man you're gonna be the next Charlie Hebdo, them people kills for their holy man.
and are married to their cousins.
50 generations of incest and KABLAMMO
you are now black
Muhammad Usman's genes have been spliced into the genetic makeup of cotton by Monsanto to provide resistance to roundup (glyphosate). The farmers harvesting this cotton sell the cottonseed to other farmers to add to animal feed. All the meat and farmed fish you eat is contaminated with this geneticlly modified seed. Europe does not allow this seed to be exported to Europe. No labelling requirements force you to be informed of this addition to your food.
This is the shit some people want to import. Followers of the most brutal and totalitarian creed, that condemns to death those who realize how worthless it is. If tolerance means welcoming those brutes, then FUCK tolerance. Islam is a cancer and its followers have NO place among civilized people.
Facebook cannot sit idly by - they have a MORAL OBLIGATION to CEASE SERVICE in the entirety of Pakistan, to make it unambiguously clear that abusing the service to prosecute people for exercising basic human rights is an impermissible abuse of the service.
The openness of the West, and the West embracing multi-culturalism might lead to actual sharia law. France could be there in 2 generations. Where death by blasphemy could easily be voted in.
See this from the (progressive, accepting) county (Fairfax) West of DC. How can this be protected speech? Imagine if a non-religious person said 'black men are hyper-sexual, and need the tip of their penis cut off.' Think on that.
If this guy had the numbers, he'd vote in making female mutilation not just legal, but required.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/06/07/virginia-imam-defends-female-genital-mutilation-to-prevent-hypersexuality-n2337690
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/06/07/virginia-imam-defends-female-genital-mutilation-to-prevent-hypersexuality-n2337690
In facebook, the users are the product.
I don't see why Facebook couldn't aggregate "blasphemy" and report it out, if the government was willing to pay just like a vendor would pay for other information. Facebook could probably determine who "would" do the blasphemy, and provide data to allow those folks to be convicted without having actual done any action.
Is facebook ashamed? Like IBM, likely not.
...for the Pakis.
"That thing you might not until now have suspected we do, well... we don't do it".
Requiem for the American Dream
I don't know that any reasonable human being would consider the death penalty an "award" so much as a punishment.
Story where a professor calls for the death penalty for those who don't agree with him on AGW.
This is a good example of why liberals should be abolished throughout the world. ANY liberal. They can't debate their points in a logical manner and demand oppression and are afraid of gays or women talking at Berkley. Taken to the extreme like this professor they call for execution of people who disagree with them. Sadly, this professor is not unique or even uncommon in his comments.
The claim was that muslims made 99% of the terror attacks. It does not matter if the school shootings were in the name of Odin Allfather or Peewee Herman, if they're more than 1% of the attacks, the claim is refuted by their existence.
Oh, and yes, it was in most cases christianity that motivated it. Brevik for example thought that the muslims were evil for not following christianity and that their existence was a threat to white christianity he followed. So he shot people.
...there should be a boycott in place from the rest of the free world. Once a country reaches a civilized cultural level, then we can talk trade and business. Otherwise, fuck off.
Hmm, and we want that religion to perpetuate in all countries. WOW!!!
Those secret Star Chamber campus tribunals that try people for maleness and paleness will lobby to get Title IX updated to include the death penalty.
Face book will do what its told by the government within the bounds of the law. In america, Facebook might be able to deny disclosure based on the the freedoms we enjoy here, but in Germany (any other place with very little freedom of expression/speech) , if the government says give me the data, they will do it or be in big trouble.
unshare my Muhammad drawing?
I just made 12 of these for my friends -
http://i3.cpcache.com/product/263506947/mohammed_drawing_tshirt.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460&qv=90
Except, I added "Fuck Muhammad" to the back.
And while you're at it, Fuck Jesus Too -
http://www.blasphemy.ie/
And the Pope!
Christians might tell you that you're going to hell and say offensive things to you, but they're thankfully not killing people
Hmmm ... I don't think you thought about that statement very well. ...
The american forces are chockful of christians of several stripes, and I do believe that the USA is particularly active in killing people these last few decades.
And check this out
http://www.newsweek.com/christian-fundamentalists-us-armed-forces-national-security-threat-613428
"Fundamentalist views are decidedly in the minority in the general population, but they have adherents in some of the U.S. military’s most powerful positions, especially in and around Washington, D.C., and in Colorado Springs, home of the U.S. Air Force Academy and the nation’s nuclear command center.
The U.S. military has long been seeded with radical Christian fundamentalists—sometimes called Christian Dominionists or Christian Reconstructionists—who believe a “Warrior Jesus” has their backs while they fight against Islam. They believe they are establishing a “Kingdom of God” on earth, starting with the United States, and are predictably anti-LGBT and unfriendly to females among their ranks. ...
The MRFF estimates that 84 percent of military chaplains are evangelicals, and about a third of them are fundamentalists, defined by the MRFF as Christians who have decided that their evangelizing and proselytizing need not conform to the U.S. Constitution, case law or any DoD directives restricting their behavior.
The Christian right’s willingness to see Trump as a savior for their cause—if not a messianic figure, despite his living as an urban libertine who has had three wives and a history of lewd acts and statements—continues to grow. His selection of an evangelical as vice president, plus the appointment of at least nine evangelicals to his Cabinet, has apparently soothed any concerns the religious right had about his personal life."
This is a perfect example of why Canada needs blasphemy laws! And remember, the more unenforceable the law, the harsher the punishment needs to be!
What's not to love about Facebook PR statements seething with contempt for the obvious.
Facebook uses powerful systems to keep people's information secure and tools to keep their accounts safe
Facebook exists entirely to sell out users to the highest bidder. Facebook only keeps information safe and secure from cheapskates unwilling to pay enough for it. FFS how much lower is it even possible to get?
https://www.theguardian.com/te...
and we do not provide any government with direct access to people's data.
Translation: We obviously provide governments with access to people's data.
We will continue to protect our community from unnecessary or overreaching government intervention
Wink wink nudge nudge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/1...
Still Facebook involvement in this other than it's ridiculous statements are mostly irrelevant. What is probably much more relevant from a western influence perspective is US foreign policy picking a side in regional Muslim on Muslim holy wars directly fueling death and destruction with foreign aid and arms sales and logistics. The predictable outcome is governments empowered to leverage religion to buttress their legitimacy and otherwise justify logically indefensible positions. And hey if your going to pick a winner... why not pick the side that carries out vast majority of terrorist attacks against the US? You know the same side that includes Daesh and our inbred Saudi "allies" who fund Madrassas and did 9/11.
All I said to my wife was this piece of halibut was good enough for !
Killing someone because he said something about {insert name of 'diety' here} that other people didn't like
Seriously, people: What the actual FUCK does it say about Humans that in 2017 something like this can actually happen!?
This is not the act of a truly intelligent, sentient, civilized race of beings, it is the act of a race of uppity animals -- and make no mistake, I am including the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE in this, not just Pakistan!
Mad? FUCK YES I'm MAD when I read this. Bullshit like this is why I HATE ALL RELIGION, think it's a CANCER on humanity in general, and I wish SO MUCH that we'd somehow evolve past the point of needing 'gods' and 'religion' and all the stupid bullshit that goes with all that.
Seriously, people: A MAN IS GOING TO ***LOSE HIS LIFE*** FOR SOMETHING HE ***SAID*** -- NOT ***DID***, BUT JUST FOR ***WORDS***. What does that say about us, AS A SPECIES!?
I am ASHAMED to admit being part of the species Homo Sapiens when I see shit like this. ASHAMED!
If Facebook embedded dots in its screenshots like the NSA does for its documents, then it could determine which of this mans "friends" was responsible for his execution.
What a screwed up world it is if I'm wishing the crap-pile called Facebook was like the tyrant called the NSA. It is like wishing "the blob" had some of the characteristics of "Lex Luthor", in order to reduce the evil they enable, or harm they contribute to. At least Lex isn't out to literally and completely destroy every living being on earth.
Well, their country is about to go down the shithole. Flush.
Look... he'd had a lovely supper and all he said to his wife was 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Muhammad!'
Finally it's happening, the sooner facebook ends the better...
> Matthew 10:34-36
Jesus is talking about the coming conflict between the Jews and Jewish Christians, not telling people to kill each other. Since you may not know your history, the early Jewish Christians were persecuted by everyone for a few hundred years, being shunned by their families and communities, etc. If you read about all the things that happened to Paul, wherein he was stoned, beaten, whipped, etc. repeatedly, that should give you some idea.
Note also that he never resisted any of that with violence. He never led anyone to attack those who attacked him, etc.
> Luke 14:26
Same deal. Many of the early Jewish Christians had persecution coming from their own families for following Jesus.
> Luke 19:27
This is spoken by someone at the end of a parable, it appears to relate to the judgement at the end of the world. It's not a command to go kill people.
> Matt 5:17-20
Jesus Himself is the fulfillment of the law. The apostles were clear that our righteousness comes from Jesus, not from the law. You can go read the extensive discussions they had about following Jewish law which are captured in the book of Acts. Paul goes into a lot of detail and says not to put a yoke on the Gentiles which neither they nor their fathers could bear and they essentially keep the moral law but not the ceremonial law.
Religious belief is a mental disease
So, here we have an example of a HUGE country (population wise) sentencing a man to death over potential comments about Mohammed. Islam is NOT just a minor 'extremist' religion this is the behavior that is supported by governments & huge numbers of people that believe in that religion. Can we now stop pretending that this hate is limited to a minority of 'extremist Islamic terrorist'.
I'm Atheist so I care not 1 iota for what someone's religious beliefs are but when those beliefs bleed over in to my ability to speak & live THAN we have a MAJOR problem.
Trump wanted to 'ban muslims', given what I'm reading here I see no reason to disagree mightily with that suggestion (note I would LIKE to believe 'most muslims are just good people that want to live their lives under their beliefs' but they keep demonstrating that this is simply not the case).
Such as your real name policy that requires people use their legal names, making it easy for governments to track people through their posts, without compromising Facebook's systems?
Assuming the victim does all the charging and enforcement.
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Well there's his problem, Facebook.
and I'll stop confusing the Old and New Testaments just as soon as the rest of my countrymen do.
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while your mind is still malleable and vulnerable. Just like any other religion.
For my part I pretty well nigh hate it all. Our House/Senate/Executive/Judicial is designed to keep wealthy landowners from being taxed and our Jury system was meant to let racist southerners commit acts of terror with impunity. I'd like the English system minus the House of Lords and the state religion. Basically Canada or Norway.
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because it repeatedly punishes the faithful for the sins of the heretic. The Flood. Sodom & Gomorrah, etc, etc. When you think about the consequences of that doctrine it's terrible. Every sin puts you and your family at risk of God's wrath. And don't think they haven't noticed. Over and over I've heard how gays are bringing down God's wrath. 911. Iraq War. Tornados. Mass shootings. London Terror Attacks.
If you're a Christian, and you read you're bible literally, then every single non-Christian is a threat to your family's safety and well being. God's not a sniper picking off the bad apples. He's more the 'spray and pray' type.
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Iran was well on it's way to modernizing. Iraq was too. In both cases we stuck our nose in and put religious nutjobs in charge. Saudi Arabia's royalty isn't even slightly religious. It's just something they tell the rubes to take all the oil money for themselves.
Islam is just the Rhetoric the ruling class uses in those regions to oppress and divide the working class. If they didn't have Islam they'd use something else. Here in America we use Welfare Queens and racism. In India it's a caste system. In China it's communism. The patterns are always the same. If you want to solve these Problems you need solidarity with the working class and a watchful eye on your ruling class (Notice I didn't say kill the bastards. China/Russia tried that and they just changed masters).
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It is not FB fault that Pakistan is fucked up country.
He can ponder the value of FDE on death-row...
So sweet. So decent. Why wouldn't we embrace them coming to live their lifestyle in the U.S.? We should welcome Shariah Law in America, right? http://www.newser.com/story/24... (and why not? Don't you want to wear a mask?)
Religion was born when first con-man met the first fool; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Casteism