No he isn't supposed to say what he thinks. That's what our whole definition of judges and the legal system is all about. What if a judge said things about a murder trial's person all over the press during the trial? Not only would there be a mis-trial but the judge would be in legal trouble.
This is just got to stop and our governement has got to stop. Even with all the hatred of Microsoft here (which is foolish), do you really want the US government defining what an OS is and what it consists of? Do you want people who have never turned on a computer defining what our industry is about? I sure don't. This case never mattered and it matters less now. The original case was about Internet Browsers and that matters for nothing now. Its established now that it is a whole different world now than when the case first got created. Now the Internet is everywhere and is an intergral part of almost all appplications. Done deal. Also Netscape has morphed into AOL (which is a monolpoly) and merged with Time Warner (which is one of the biggest monopolies ever).
In any circumstance, the whole case is a conspiracy anyway. This case is one of Sun buying off the governemnt. If you recall ths history of this case (its all public record) it started with Sun assembling Netscape and Oracle and a few other companies in a secret meeting with the lawyer Gary Reback in Silicon Valley. If that isn't the definition of a conspiraacy or a monopoly, I don't know what is.
We need to stop this waste of my tax money and stop penalizing companies for being successful. Many companies have done much worse in many different industries. Overall, the american econonomy profits greatly from Microsoft and does not care about this case. Other than a bunch of angry Linux people on Slashdot (who think everything should be handed to them free forever) the world just dosn't care and wants this lawsuit dropped.
Subject: RE: [DOTNET] Join us in implementing an Open Source.NET framework > I had some strong feelings running through me after seeing the movie > "Antitrust" Boy tell me about it. I had a range of strong feelings, most of which centered on my having wasted two hours of my life on that piece of crap. Every time a coder walked up to another they'd point to what was maybe 25 lines of code on the screen and say "wow, that's cool what you're doing there". Whatever. The whole good girl / bad girl reversal didn't make sense - why would the bad girl be willing to help Our Hero build it all the way to the point to sabotage the network? It was a very stupid movie - understandable that it upset you... It was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I mean they have "Microsoft" able to spy on *every* single open source programmer (sic) and not able to detect that the main character, just by typing a few Linux commands!!, can get access to all their plans, get right into the "spying" system in 10 seconds! And then that "Microsoft" would murder open source programmers to get their code. Of course, one could just forget it and chalk it up to the piece of crap that it is, but when I saw it had been sponsored by Sun Microsystems, and featured the GNOME (Miguel) folks and Jon "Maddog" Hall, it was too much. Its like they are declaring war on us developers who don't believe in their way and then they have the gall to come here asking for help after doing a first class defamation of a company (for which they should be sued - I would ). I mean, using Building 21 constantly and so forth and using Bill's sayings. It was too obvious and stupid. I am sorry for the use of my language, not my feelings. These people don't play nice. They don't compete. They whine to the Justice department. They try to turn this software industry into a hippie socialist environment where, in shades of 1967, everything is free, man. Nothing is free. We are paying for those open source developers. Their electricity and their computers have to be paid by someone. And most of them are either in government agencies (our tax dollars) or universities (again our dollars). But it's free, man. No it isn't. It's a meaningless mantra. Not only are they using our tax dollars, but they are also sapping countries all over the world, using up their precious resources and developing "free" software on company's resources. I don't want the very exciting industry of software development, which I have participated in for 22 years, become a drab anti-competitive industry where all we do is service and customizations. And I think once people realize the implications, they won't either. Without competition, the software industry does *not* happen. Period. Many of us want to continue earning a living making great software. Visit me at http://pages.scifi.com/CyberPunk/net.html
I agree with the 5th year being a disapointment. However, as you point out, having the story arc planned in the begining contibuted to this show's quality. Still, some of the episodes in the 3rd and 4thh seasons rank as some of the greatest writing ever in SF.
Star Trek, like Star Wars has never been Science Fiction (except for the original Star Trek). There have only been three great SF shows ever: B5, Twilight Zone, and the original Star Trek. I find all of the follow-on Star Trek attempts pitiful.
No need to fear, by the time.NET is up all of Microsoft's servers will be running FreeBSD..
4 Informative???? How is the moderating done in this place? Please tell me where in that sentence there was ANY information conveyed? It isn't information, it's speculation at best and not ever going to happen.
Subject: RE: [DOTNET] Join us in implementing an Open Source.NET framework
> I had some strong feelings running through me after seeing the movie
> "Antitrust"
Boy tell me about it. I had a range of strong feelings, most of which centered on my having wasted two hours of my life on that piece of crap. Every time a coder walked up to another they'd point to what was maybe 25 lines of code on the screen and say "wow, that's cool what you're doing there". Whatever. The whole good girl / bad girl reversal didn't make sense - why would the bad girl be willing to help Our Hero build it all the way to the point to sabotage the network? It was a very stupid movie - understandable that it upset you...
It was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I mean they have "Microsoft" able to spy on *every* single open source programmer (sic) and not able to detect that the main character, just by typing a few Linux commands!!, can get access to all their plans, get right into the "spying" system in 10 seconds! And then that "Microsoft" would murder open source programmers to get their code. Of course, one could just forget it and chalk it up to the piece of crap that it is, but when I saw it had been sponsored by Sun Microsystems, and featured the GNOME
(Miguel) folks and Jon "Maddog" Hall, it was too much. Its like they are declaring war on us developers who don't believe in their way and then they have the gall to come here asking for help after doing a first class defamation of a company (for which they should be sued - I would ). I mean, using Building 21 constantly and so forth and using Bill's sayings. It was too obvious and stupid.
I am sorry for the use of my language, not my feelings. These people don't play nice. They don't compete. They whine to the Justice department. They try to turn this software industry into a hippie socialist environment where, in shades of 1967, everything is free, man. Nothing is free. We are paying for those open source developers. Their electricity and their computers have to be paid by someone. And most of them are either in government agencies (our tax dollars) or universities (again our dollars). But it's free, man. No it isn't. It's a meaningless mantra. Not only are they using our tax dollars, but they are also sapping countries all over the world, using up their precious resources and developing "free" software on company's resources.
I don't want the very exciting industry of software development, which I have participated in for 22 years, become a drab anti-competitive industry where all we do is service and customizations. And I think once people realize the implications, they won't either. Without competition, the software industry does *not* happen. Period. Many of us want to continue earning a living making great software.
Visit me at http://pages.scifi.com/CyberPunk/net.html
The Science is not there to prove that Global Warming even exists. In fact, the science suggests that the Earth has gone through several "warming" periods naturally, as a result of valcanos and other natural activity. Much of the pro-Global Warming stuff has ben funded by pro-environmental and other pseudo-science organizations. Bush is correct in not destroying American business and our thriving economy over unproven facts.
Now, this deserves better than a 1? How come all of my postings get an automatic 1?
After working with.NET for the past year in NDA and now in public, I contend that.NET is a revolutionary environment and one that offers sigificant benefits to developers both on Windows as well as everywhere else. Unlike the stupidity of Java which is completly propreitary and non-standard (2x pulled from the ECMA process) and insists upon you throwing away millions of lines of existing code in various languages to embrace the one "true" God,.NET takes a much more pratical approach. It's Common Language Runtime (CLR) and Common Type System (CTS) define types across LANGUAGES. That's what Sun has never understood. Yes, we need a platform to perform garbage collection, to create web services, to create components but no company can afford to dump all their existing code and re-train all their developers..NET's CLR supports 21 languages NOW natively and you can declare an object in Perl.NET and call it from C# and call that whole thing from Python.NET. Exceptions also propogate through the calling chain.
I know that people here refuse to accept the notion that Microsoft can do anything good, but there are plenty of non-Microsoft people, even Linux people that are knocked out by this technology. Also, unlike their proprreitary COM days, Microsoft has not based.NET on anything like COM or anything propreitary. I have spent a year on it and I see nothing but based on true standards like XML and SOAP.
For those that are going to argue that its a copy of Java, they just haven't looked at it enough. Plus Java did NOT originate the notion of a VM! I was using LISP's VM in the 70's and then there was USCD Pascal, among others. I also spent 3 years as a Java programmer only to leave disgruntled by Java's failed promises and attrocious performance.
I believe.NET offers a lot to the Linux developer and.NET has always been cross-paltform. The recent Net BSD announcement is only one of many that Microsoft could be making.
I don't see why this company is just going to do what microsoft jhas already done. The specs are already in ECMA. The Linux community should go that route instead of trying to replace what's been done.
My.NET site is at:
http://pages.scifi.com/CyberPunk/net.html
How is this insightful? What direct experience have you had with.NET to call it vaporware? None? I thought so. I have an entire development group writing web services and two complex products in.NET. They are robust and full featured and we develop fast. The Java team on the other hand has nothing but problems.
There hasn't been a lot of true literary Science Fiction on the SCI FI channel until recently. We have had to contend with mostly 3rd rate horror movies and re-runs of remotely SF stuff (except for B5!). So even though, Dune is not even near my favorite SF novel, I was so glad to see the SCFI channel come out with the original series, given that I find the older movie so lacking. The series had its share of liberties taken from the book too but I felt was still better than the original movie. My hope with things like this announcement is that the channel continues to produce these. Indeed, the annoucement has been made that they will be doing two of LeGuinn's works.
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No he isn't supposed to say what he thinks. That's what our whole definition of judges and the legal system is all about. What if a judge said things about a murder trial's person all over the press during the trial? Not only would there be a mis-trial but the judge would be in legal trouble.
This is just got to stop and our governement has got to stop. Even with all the hatred of Microsoft here (which is foolish), do you really want the US government defining what an OS is and what it consists of? Do you want people who have never turned on a computer defining what our industry is about? I sure don't. This case never mattered and it matters less now. The original case was about Internet Browsers and that matters for nothing now. Its established now that it is a whole different world now than when the case first got created. Now the Internet is everywhere and is an intergral part of almost all appplications. Done deal. Also Netscape has morphed into AOL (which is a monolpoly) and merged with Time Warner (which is one of the biggest monopolies ever). In any circumstance, the whole case is a conspiracy anyway. This case is one of Sun buying off the governemnt. If you recall ths history of this case (its all public record) it started with Sun assembling Netscape and Oracle and a few other companies in a secret meeting with the lawyer Gary Reback in Silicon Valley. If that isn't the definition of a conspiraacy or a monopoly, I don't know what is. We need to stop this waste of my tax money and stop penalizing companies for being successful. Many companies have done much worse in many different industries. Overall, the american econonomy profits greatly from Microsoft and does not care about this case. Other than a bunch of angry Linux people on Slashdot (who think everything should be handed to them free forever) the world just dosn't care and wants this lawsuit dropped.
Subject: RE: [DOTNET] Join us in implementing an Open Source .NET framework > I had some strong feelings running through me after seeing the movie > "Antitrust" Boy tell me about it. I had a range of strong feelings, most of which centered on my having wasted two hours of my life on that piece of crap. Every time a coder walked up to another they'd point to what was maybe 25 lines of code on the screen and say "wow, that's cool what you're doing there". Whatever. The whole good girl / bad girl reversal didn't make sense - why would the bad girl be willing to help Our Hero build it all the way to the point to sabotage the network? It was a very stupid movie - understandable that it upset you... It was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I mean they have "Microsoft" able to spy on *every* single open source programmer (sic) and not able to detect that the main character, just by typing a few Linux commands!!, can get access to all their plans, get right into the "spying" system in 10 seconds! And then that "Microsoft" would murder open source programmers to get their code. Of course, one could just forget it and chalk it up to the piece of crap that it is, but when I saw it had been sponsored by Sun Microsystems, and featured the GNOME (Miguel) folks and Jon "Maddog" Hall, it was too much. Its like they are declaring war on us developers who don't believe in their way and then they have the gall to come here asking for help after doing a first class defamation of a company (for which they should be sued - I would ). I mean, using Building 21 constantly and so forth and using Bill's sayings. It was too obvious and stupid. I am sorry for the use of my language, not my feelings. These people don't play nice. They don't compete. They whine to the Justice department. They try to turn this software industry into a hippie socialist environment where, in shades of 1967, everything is free, man. Nothing is free. We are paying for those open source developers. Their electricity and their computers have to be paid by someone. And most of them are either in government agencies (our tax dollars) or universities (again our dollars). But it's free, man. No it isn't. It's a meaningless mantra. Not only are they using our tax dollars, but they are also sapping countries all over the world, using up their precious resources and developing "free" software on company's resources. I don't want the very exciting industry of software development, which I have participated in for 22 years, become a drab anti-competitive industry where all we do is service and customizations. And I think once people realize the implications, they won't either. Without competition, the software industry does *not* happen. Period. Many of us want to continue earning a living making great software. Visit me at http://pages.scifi.com/CyberPunk/net.html
I agree with the 5th year being a disapointment. However, as you point out, having the story arc planned in the begining contibuted to this show's quality. Still, some of the episodes in the 3rd and 4thh seasons rank as some of the greatest writing ever in SF.
Star Trek, like Star Wars has never been Science Fiction (except for the original Star Trek). There have only been three great SF shows ever: B5, Twilight Zone, and the original Star Trek. I find all of the follow-on Star Trek attempts pitiful.
No need to fear, by the time .NET is up all of Microsoft's servers will be running FreeBSD..
4 Informative???? How is the moderating done in this place? Please tell me where in that sentence there was ANY information conveyed? It isn't information, it's speculation at best and not ever going to happen.
Subject: RE: [DOTNET] Join us in implementing an Open Source .NET framework
> I had some strong feelings running through me after seeing the movie
> "Antitrust"
Boy tell me about it. I had a range of strong feelings, most of which centered on my having wasted two hours of my life on that piece of crap. Every time a coder walked up to another they'd point to what was maybe 25 lines of code on the screen and say "wow, that's cool what you're doing there". Whatever. The whole good girl / bad girl reversal didn't make sense - why would the bad girl be willing to help Our Hero build it all the way to the point to sabotage the network? It was a very stupid movie - understandable that it upset you...
It was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I mean they have "Microsoft" able to spy on *every* single open source programmer (sic) and not able to detect that the main character, just by typing a few Linux commands!!, can get access to all their plans, get right into the "spying" system in 10 seconds! And then that "Microsoft" would murder open source programmers to get their code. Of course, one could just forget it and chalk it up to the piece of crap that it is, but when I saw it had been sponsored by Sun Microsystems, and featured the GNOME
(Miguel) folks and Jon "Maddog" Hall, it was too much. Its like they are declaring war on us developers who don't believe in their way and then they have the gall to come here asking for help after doing a first class defamation of a company (for which they should be sued - I would ). I mean, using Building 21 constantly and so forth and using Bill's sayings. It was too obvious and stupid.
I am sorry for the use of my language, not my feelings. These people don't play nice. They don't compete. They whine to the Justice department. They try to turn this software industry into a hippie socialist environment where, in shades of 1967, everything is free, man. Nothing is free. We are paying for those open source developers. Their electricity and their computers have to be paid by someone. And most of them are either in government agencies (our tax dollars) or universities (again our dollars). But it's free, man. No it isn't. It's a meaningless mantra. Not only are they using our tax dollars, but they are also sapping countries all over the world, using up their precious resources and developing "free" software on company's resources.
I don't want the very exciting industry of software development, which I have participated in for 22 years, become a drab anti-competitive industry where all we do is service and customizations. And I think once people realize the implications, they won't either. Without competition, the software industry does *not* happen. Period. Many of us want to continue earning a living making great software.
Visit me at http://pages.scifi.com/CyberPunk/net.html
The Science is not there to prove that Global Warming even exists. In fact, the science suggests that the Earth has gone through several "warming" periods naturally, as a result of valcanos and other natural activity. Much of the pro-Global Warming stuff has ben funded by pro-environmental and other pseudo-science organizations. Bush is correct in not destroying American business and our thriving economy over unproven facts. Now, this deserves better than a 1? How come all of my postings get an automatic 1?
After working with .NET for the past year in NDA and now in public, I contend that .NET is a revolutionary environment and one that offers sigificant benefits to developers both on Windows as well as everywhere else. Unlike the stupidity of Java which is completly propreitary and non-standard (2x pulled from the ECMA process) and insists upon you throwing away millions of lines of existing code in various languages to embrace the one "true" God, .NET takes a much more pratical approach. It's Common Language Runtime (CLR) and Common Type System (CTS) define types across LANGUAGES. That's what Sun has never understood. Yes, we need a platform to perform garbage collection, to create web services, to create components but no company can afford to dump all their existing code and re-train all their developers. .NET's CLR supports 21 languages NOW natively and you can declare an object in Perl.NET and call it from C# and call that whole thing from Python.NET. Exceptions also propogate through the calling chain.
I know that people here refuse to accept the notion that Microsoft can do anything good, but there are plenty of non-Microsoft people, even Linux people that are knocked out by this technology. Also, unlike their proprreitary COM days, Microsoft has not based .NET on anything like COM or anything propreitary. I have spent a year on it and I see nothing but based on true standards like XML and SOAP.
For those that are going to argue that its a copy of Java, they just haven't looked at it enough. Plus Java did NOT originate the notion of a VM! I was using LISP's VM in the 70's and then there was USCD Pascal, among others. I also spent 3 years as a Java programmer only to leave disgruntled by Java's failed promises and attrocious performance.
I believe .NET offers a lot to the Linux developer and .NET has always been cross-paltform. The recent Net BSD announcement is only one of many that Microsoft could be making.
I don't see why this company is just going to do what microsoft jhas already done. The specs are already in ECMA. The Linux community should go that route instead of trying to replace what's been done.
My .NET site is at:
http://pages.scifi.com/CyberPunk/net.html
How is this insightful? What direct experience have you had with .NET to call it vaporware? None? I thought so. I have an entire development group writing web services and two complex products in .NET. They are robust and full featured and we develop fast. The Java team on the other hand has nothing but problems.
There hasn't been a lot of true literary Science Fiction on the SCI FI channel until recently. We have had to contend with mostly 3rd rate horror movies and re-runs of remotely SF stuff (except for B5!). So even though, Dune is not even near my favorite SF novel, I was so glad to see the SCFI channel come out with the original series, given that I find the older movie so lacking. The series had its share of liberties taken from the book too but I felt was still better than the original movie. My hope with things like this announcement is that the channel continues to produce these. Indeed, the annoucement has been made that they will be doing two of LeGuinn's works.