"For example, suppose GM developed some revolutionary manufacturing technology (nanotech maybe) that allowed them to make industrial goods so precisely they basically never wore out, and do so at half the previous cost. They start producing cars that cost half what a Chrysler or Honda does and have 30 year warentees. This would, in short order, kill the sales of the other companies. Guess what? Not illegal. "
It would, however, be illegal if GM then got into selling tires, and made undocumented changes to their cars so that only GM tires would fit, and put all other tire makers out of business even though GM tires were crap.
I once crashed Win95 15 times in one day at work! Admittedly, I was using some oddball software which was known to be trouble, and 15 crashes a day was an extreme case even then, but even at home with much more "regular" software, Win9X was flakey enough to be annoying. I can't believe that anyone who does anything more ambitious than turning on his computer doesn't often crash Win9X. And while NT is stable enough, the only version Joe Sixpack knows of is "virus alert" XP.
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The Romans fell because they had those barbaric gladiator games. That would never happen here. I would stay to debate but it's time for football.
"However, if such a thing DID happen, I've been using slackware for four years, and I would jump ship to FreeBSD the second I heard about it. And so would 75%+ of the people using it now. "
The other 25% would probably maintain their own Slack-based distro.
From what I've seen, SuSe is just as user friendly as RH, and a lot more stable than Mandrake. If I had to recommend a distro to someone who didn't want to be a computer x-spurt, it would be a toss-up between RH & SuSe.
Okay, it's a decrepit obsolete hack of a pathetic excuse for an operating system, sure - but flamebait?
Geez, I guess/. isn't real keen on single-user non-multitasking real mode OSes. For what it was, when it was, on the hardware it ran on, DOS was truly The Shit(TM)... Well, at least it sure seemed like it during my early teens."
I'm sure a lot of/.'rs will agree that Dos was The Shit(tm).:)
It is also legal for 300 million Americans to tell WB to go to hell! Currently, TV is a simple no-brainer matter. Just have your 7 year-old set the VCR to record "Buffy", go out to dinner, and watch it when you get home. Somehow, I don't think Joe Sixpack will react well if TPTB try to take that away.
I've never done Sorcerer, but I've attempted LinuxFromScratch. I ran out of disk space trying to compile glibc (on a 900+MB partition). Sounds like I'd have the same problem with Sorcerer (and probably Gentoo too).:(
"Should Aunt Tillie Build Her Own Kernels?
Should Aunt Tillie Install Her Own OS?
Should Aunt Tillie Install Her Own Applications?
Should Aunt Tillie Run Her Own Applications?
Should Aunt Tillie Produce Her Own Documents?
Should Aunt Tillie Think Her Own Thoughts?"
When I asked her the last question, she just said "whatever you think is best". I decided the other questions would be too much for her.
Must be nice! I live about a mile from the nearest store. Not too far without an armload of groceries in good weather, but no fun with 2-3 large bags of groceries at -1F.
The trick is finding a solution that will make large companies accountable without squashing smaller companies or individuals who couldn't afford even a tiny (to Microsoft) fine.
int main()
{
char name [2];
cout "Hello, World";
cout "Enter name for personized service"
gets(name);// if your name is more than 2 chars you now have buffer overflow!
}
That just keeps the evil hacker from frying your computer, but he can still corrupt your data. If you're a business, that data is more valuable that all your hardware. If it strikes a significant number of businesses, the cost could be astronomical!
Alienating customers is a very poor way to make money! Micro$**t is a monopoly. They can get away with a lot. Borland isn't! One bad f**k up could kill them, regardless of the quality of their products.
"First, anyone can sue anyone for anything already. Having a snowball's chance in hell of winning is another matter.
To sue successfully requires proving damages. You need to prove you lost something of value. Defendant can prove otherwise - and any attorney who views the case rationally (meaning "will I get paid out of this") will take this into account. "
What if kernel-2.4.15 eats my data? The software was free, but my data wasn't! I'd say it was worth big $$$ (and since its gone you can't prove it wasn't)
"To lose a liability suit requires (usually) a finding of negligence. Negligance is measured according to standards of due care for the industry. Having a bug in software will not open you up to losses if you can show due care. You don't have to produce perfect software, you just have to follow accepted software engineering practices for making secure software. "
2.4.15 was crap! One could argue that Linus was negligant releasing it! Of course one could also argue that I'm an idiot for running the kernel-of-the-day without good backups, but I don't have to convince intellegent people. I just have to convince lawyers & judges.
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"For example, suppose GM developed some revolutionary manufacturing technology (nanotech maybe) that allowed them to make industrial goods so precisely they basically never wore out, and do so at half the previous cost. They start producing cars that cost half what a Chrysler or Honda does and have 30 year warentees. This would, in short order, kill the sales of the other companies. Guess what? Not illegal. "
It would, however, be illegal if GM then got into selling tires, and made undocumented changes to their cars so that only GM tires would fit, and put all other tire makers out of business even though GM tires were crap.
I believe that's the whole point. Only a monopolistic Microsoft team had access to the monopolistic M$ API!
Without Windows, AOL would be on OS/2, which would be a thriving OS.
I once crashed Win95 15 times in one day at work! Admittedly, I was using some oddball software which was known to be trouble, and 15 crashes a day was an extreme case even then, but even at home with much more "regular" software, Win9X was flakey enough to be annoying. I can't believe that anyone who does anything more ambitious than turning on his computer doesn't often crash Win9X. And while NT is stable enough, the only version Joe Sixpack knows of is "virus alert" XP.
The Romans fell because they had those barbaric gladiator games. That would never happen here. I would stay to debate but it's time for football.
"However, if such a thing DID happen, I've been using slackware for four years, and I would jump ship to FreeBSD the second I heard about it. And so would 75%+ of the people using it now. "
The other 25% would probably maintain their own Slack-based distro.
From what I've seen, SuSe is just as user friendly as RH, and a lot more stable than Mandrake. If I had to recommend a distro to someone who didn't want to be a computer x-spurt, it would be a toss-up between RH & SuSe.
that I can use apt-get on my toaster?
I think SLS was the first Linux distro. Slackware was based on SLS, and is the oldest surviving distro.
AOL-Slack? Ugghh!! Please, not while I'm eating!
It's like that guy in the razor ads. He liked it so well he bought the company!
I believe RH is planning to replace Netscape with Mozilla as soon as it's good enough.
"dos?
/. isn't real keen on single-user non-multitasking real mode OSes. For what it was, when it was, on the hardware it ran on, DOS was truly The Shit(TM)... Well, at least it sure seemed like it during my early teens."
/.'rs will agree that Dos was The Shit(tm). :)
Okay, it's a decrepit obsolete hack of a pathetic excuse for an operating system, sure - but flamebait?
Geez, I guess
I'm sure a lot of
It is also legal for 300 million Americans to tell WB to go to hell! Currently, TV is a simple no-brainer matter. Just have your 7 year-old set the VCR to record "Buffy", go out to dinner, and watch it when you get home. Somehow, I don't think Joe Sixpack will react well if TPTB try to take that away.
I've never done Sorcerer, but I've attempted LinuxFromScratch. I ran out of disk space trying to compile glibc (on a 900+MB partition). Sounds like I'd have the same problem with Sorcerer (and probably Gentoo too). :(
"Should Aunt Tillie Build Her Own Kernels?
Should Aunt Tillie Install Her Own OS?
Should Aunt Tillie Install Her Own Applications?
Should Aunt Tillie Run Her Own Applications?
Should Aunt Tillie Produce Her Own Documents?
Should Aunt Tillie Think Her Own Thoughts?"
When I asked her the last question, she just said "whatever you think is best". I decided the other questions would be too much for her.
Must be nice! I live about a mile from the nearest store. Not too far without an armload of groceries in good weather, but no fun with 2-3 large bags of groceries at -1F.
That's good for Philly, but in KCMO the only thing under our roads is the sewer!
Another gripe is that it never goes where you want it to, and it takes 3 times as long as driving.
The trick is finding a solution that will make large companies accountable without squashing smaller companies or individuals who couldn't afford even a tiny (to Microsoft) fine.
int main() // if your name is more than 2 chars you now have buffer overflow!
{
char name [2];
cout "Hello, World";
cout "Enter name for personized service"
gets(name);
}
That just keeps the evil hacker from frying your computer, but he can still corrupt your data. If you're a business, that data is more valuable that all your hardware. If it strikes a significant number of businesses, the cost could be astronomical!
The only 2.4 kernel that scared me was 2.4.15. Or was it 2.5.0?
Alienating customers is a very poor way to make money! Micro$**t is a monopoly. They can get away with a lot. Borland isn't! One bad f**k up could kill them, regardless of the quality of their products.
"First, anyone can sue anyone for anything already. Having a snowball's chance in hell of winning is another matter.
To sue successfully requires proving damages. You need to prove you lost something of value. Defendant can prove otherwise - and any attorney who views the case rationally (meaning "will I get paid out of this") will take this into account. "
What if kernel-2.4.15 eats my data? The software was free, but my data wasn't! I'd say it was worth big $$$ (and since its gone you can't prove it wasn't)
"To lose a liability suit requires (usually) a finding of negligence. Negligance is measured according to standards of due care for the industry. Having a bug in software will not open you up to losses if you can show due care. You don't have to produce perfect software, you just have to follow accepted software engineering practices for making secure software. "
2.4.15 was crap! One could argue that Linus was negligant releasing it! Of course one could also argue that I'm an idiot for running the kernel-of-the-day without good backups, but I don't have to convince intellegent people. I just have to convince lawyers & judges.