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Linux 2.5.2 Kernel Released
valdis writes "Amazing.. it's been out over 3 hours and not discussed to death. Well, maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there. But if there are, here's what's new. You can get it at the usual place, but please use the mirrors if you can."
Well, 2.5 is coming along, lets help them out and test it.
Kyle "DotCom" Lynch
...I need some cheeze-its...
No 2.6.x yet? :p (only kidding - well done everyone)
Please forbgive my linux newbiness but i though odd numbered kernals were only experimental or unstable? If this is the case is it still usable under mission critical apps such as web servers etc?
Sounds rather interesting. I've had some issues with my Rio 800 MP3 player with many 2.4 kernels, perhaps it's more stable now? Also great that the kernel guys are working on 2.0 support.
Ciryon
...who's up for setting up a tent outside RedHat HQ and waiting for the first 2.5.3 release? ;)
Apart from the entire 'slashdot is not freshmeat'-discussion I'd like to note, that maybe slashdot should not mention the URL to the kernel archive, but only the URL for the mirrors-list. I'm sure everyone able to compile and use a 2.5.x kernel is able to find the correct download directory, should he be confronted with a mirror list.
What the hell is a "bleeding-edge crazy"??? Translation, please...
Yeah, I know, it is the market that pushes the drivers side. However, I am going to make a quick statement: I am not a fscking programmer, so don't tell me to go write a driver!
I want to be able to plug in my scanner, my printer, my fscking digital camera and have it work. Period. I am willing to download and install some stuff. I am even willing to compiles _some_ stuff. I'm not going to spend two to three days downloading source(24.6kbaud connection) and compile libs for a week with all of the problems involved. I have a Canon scanner 620p, I have a Toshiba Digital Camera PDR-M60, and an Hp 970cse printer. None of these work, with the exception of the printer, which does not print photo-quality(which is why I payed the outrageous price I did). This is how it is all over. I don't want to use Microsoft products. I can't afford a Mac. So, I TRY to use Linux. But you know what? All I can do is practice networking skills and use the internet! Whopity-friggin doo!
I'll do everything within my power, be it donating money to carrying your kids to soccer practice, if you folks will just start writing drivers!
Why is this being announced here? This is the development kernel series. MANY releases are to come, and I really hope that the announcements stop. These kernels are not intended for end users, and you may end up being the reason some newbie installs the kernel and has his drive fsck it self into oblivion. The 2.5 series is going to last a long time because of the radical changes planned, so really, stop announcing them.
Perhaps it's just Hemos's way of saying "Stop submitting '2.5.2 released!' to all those way-too-anxious-to-submit-redundant-news.
1 Earth is warming, 2 It's us, 3 it's royally bad, 4 we need to take action NOW
Yes you can use winzip to read tar.gz files actually.
He who defends everything, defends nothing. -- Fredrick The Great
If you think actually posting a story is going to stop people from submitting it, you're sadly mistaken. Hell, half the time it won't stop them from posting it again.
=)
sin(6cos(r)+5A)
Perhaps you're fucking blind then, probably a few hundred "-1" ratings in the active discussions.
Ha and now your comment is -1 how ironic, welcome to the world of negative karma.
No kidding. You would think they were starved for stories. I don't submit a story every time Kirk McKusick makes a commit to the FreeBSD tree, or every time some feature is MFC'd. Ridiculous.
Could be worse though, linuxtoday announces every prepatch to every "tree" maintained by every kernel hacker out there.
Or maybe most of us are at work and are working on (relatively) stable workstations that we can't tinker with. I'm not a kernel hacker myself (I wait until a distro comes out with a new stable kernel and all the trimmings) but I can imagine that kernel traffic probably peaks after business hours.
Ergh...
Cutting edge = The leading new technology.
Bleeding Edge = The Very Fringe, Nitty Gritty new technology.
While I am not certain, I see the entries for Davide Libenzi, Ingo Molnar on scheduler improvements. Ingo published a huge scheduler update that looks promising, might be worth checking it out if you have a system under high load that tends to be come poky/etc.
I believe there was some discussion of integrating Ingo's patch with the preemptive patch, should be good for everyone.
A link to his discussion http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#4 on Kernel Traffic.
careful in his previous post this guy said he was in the game industry, if you don't watch it he'll frag the shit out of you.
So why is the blade bleeding?
Are those improvements of the scheduler in pre11 and final the O(1) scheduler and the preemptable kernel patches that everyone has been talking about?
Funny, I didn't know that rewriting "pong" in visual basic was considered in the gaming industry.
I can get back to writing FOLK patches. I should have a FOLK patch out within a week, covering the usual plethora of unadded patches, unheard-of protocols and unsightly drivers. :)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Give it a few days and one of the other editors will repost the entire story, beginning the entire thing again.
Psychos do not explode when the sunlight hits them, I don't care how fucked up they are.
Jakub Jelinek: fix Linux/x86 confusion about arg passing of "save_v86_state" and "do_signal"
Seems somehow appropriate. (the confusion, I mean... :) Anyways, what a bunch of prolific hackers. Some of these guys had changes or patches in nearly every pre version.
The changelog could be a bit more verbose, but otoh, perhaps these kind of descriptions are more thought-inspiring.
i'd really like to try one of al viro's bread-filesystems one day...
-- yes, i know it hurz...
After I installed Kernel 2.4 w/o any hard drive errors for 6 months using Kernel 2.2, I started receiving Bad CRC errors. I decided that the bleeding edge is not for me and I am going to wait a year before upgrading....
Mike Smith
Reading LKML has been one of the most enlightening experiences. Following the conversations, reports, complaints and rants you can really piece together a very lucid picture of the very complex nature of large open-source projects. The whole process of kernel development demonstrates why open-source works; how hundreds, if not thousands, of people scattered accross the globe can work on a project; how cooperating with fierce competition produces results.
Some days it's like going to the pub and discussing politics. Other days its a horse track where betting takes place on patches. Still, other days its a battlefield where someone has to prove that he can match wits with his adversaries who are also hacking the kernel. Linux kernel development shows that when you embrace all those human traits (competitiveness, arrogance, violence, love, friendship, shame, curiosity, idolitry, desire, hate, intelligence, stupidity, humor, spite, disgust, altruism), and apply them in the appropriate places at the appropriate times you can achieve much more than if you listened to what you were supposed to do. Like all of life it is a seathing, organic process that becomes what it becomes through relentless change and its ability to fulfill a particular niche. The chemestry is the drive of the hacker; the elements are the lines of code: a primordial soup of abstract ideas.
Just a couple of my thoughts at 5:00am.
"maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there" should read "maybe there's not as many linux users out there". Perhaps they all got sick of linux and moved to the more stable, faster FreeBSD or (gasp) a Microsoft OS.
Have you linux guys even given Windows XP a fair shot? I know at least 4 die-hard linux people that switched from linux as their DESKTOP OS (they still use it on their servers).
Prevent linux based DDOS's!
http://linux.denialofservice.org/
Great. I've been waiting for one of these for a while. I was kind of worried that the 2.4.10 based kernel that was out there was going to be it. Will you be releasing only 2.5.x or will we see some stuff for 2.4 as well?
Rock on.
"- Kai Germaschewski: ISDN updates"
hasn't this been figured out already??
who, besides my jackass ex-employer, still uses ISDN??
I'm amazed that Pete Zaitcev continues to update YMF PCI sound driver in the middle of discussion about the source layout of ALSA drivers. Nobody doubts that ALSA will be included, the only question is how.
Just don't forget that what it just cut may be you, or rather, your valuable data...
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
--Henry Kissinger
Honestly..these Linux programmers need to take their time..people don't want to download the new kernal once a week..I mean..release it after you make some serious updates and stop bugging us!
That gets pointed out so often that I'm doubtful about making yet anothe r reply to this, but...
First off we're dealing with a 2.5.x release here, the whole 2.5.x is a developement branch, which is not meant for normal users, it's for those developing or otherwise interested in hacking the kernel.
Secondly even for stable branches (2.2.X and 2.4.X and 2.6.X one day) it is recommended that normal users stick to vendor provided kernels. For example the RedHat released 2.4.9-13 is still a valid kernel. It contains a lot of fixes that came to linux kernele main tree after the 2.4.9.
The sad mishaps with 2.4.10 et al happened because at that time the 2.4.x branch were still the developement branch. The problems with those releases didn't involve those that used distribution kernels, only those that were either adventureous enough to try the cutting-edge stuff or mistaken into believing that every 2.4.x release was to be taken as the stable-release for the normal users.
Want stability? Stick to distribution kernels. Want to toy around and hopefully learn something while adventuring with a developement kernel? Head over to www.kernelnewbies.org and rtfm....
This is not a question of getting the latest and the finest, because for normal users the latest distribution kernel released is the finest in every practical sense. (either that or you might concider changing our distribution preference)
(and by a normal user I'm referring to a user not particularly interested in developing or otherwise hacking the kernel)
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This story is significant because this kernel is really the first tangible departure from the 2.4 branch. Initial USB 2, a very improved scheduler, and other improvements a changelog would do a better job than I of documenting.
Like it or not, these types of changes are significant. Things like schedulers and IO end up being the reason Big Iron companies choose OSes. If Linux is getting there, I personally want to know. If you don't, hey... just move on.
Which either means the 2.4 drivers are buggy ... or ... the 2.2 drivers aren't reporting your CRC errors.
"How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
MAC OS X.... or do we only think of 'mainstream' OSes here?
I am stuck with my 2.4.16 with the preempt patch.
It is damn' stable and quick so why should I change for a test kernel ?
Trolling using another account since 2005.
b.
--
"Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
I wish that someone would set up a distro-neutral web site and interview a bunch of device driver writers about which companies publish their specs and which don't. It could grow up to be a certification program where, if a vendor publishes enough specs for people to write GPL drivers, they get to use some kind of logo.
Then as a customer I would buy hardware with that logo. If there are enough customers like me (and it probably doesn't take many), then at least a few vendors would become interested in qualifying for that logo.
Right now the market pressure of open-source customers is inchoate. It's also diluted, because a lot of people just work around the lack of vendor specs and get something to sort of work anyways (such as Lucent winmodems).
gphoto is a step in the right direction. They list the camera vendors that publish specs. When I bought a digital camera, I made sure to buy from one of those vendors.
Like I said, bloody or gory edge would make more sense.
Just because it's a buzzword, it doesn't mean it's good.
I would expect Slashdotters (Slashers?) to approve of an alternative (rebelious) way.
All kernel releases with ODD
:)
number in the middle part of version are
DEVELOPMENT releases
They Intended to be used by Kernel Developers
and not by general public.
But you know baout it of course
Which either means the 2.4 drivers are buggy ... or ... the 2.2 drivers aren't reporting your CRC errors.
It's (probably) the latter; the 2.4 drivers report CRC errors caused during transmission along the IDE cables. You've (probably) always had the problem, now you know about it and should fix it (hint: start by buying some good quality IDE cables...)
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I'll do some 2.4.x stuff, too. As many of the patches I use are still 2.4.x-based, this may very well be the more "extensive" version.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
It seemed that whenever I wanted to compile a module for some new driver, I would also have to recompile the entire kernel, otherwise the two wouldn't interract correctly (yes, I'm being vague. I think I would get messages about symbols, but it's been a while).
So, is there a way to compile a single module to run with a kernel that has already been built?
And what exactly does MODVERSIONS do?
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Should I encounter any problems moving from 2.4.14 to 2.5.2 on a RH 7.2 box?
How is that coming along? From what I recall it was put in 2.4 but it had some goofy bugs. I'd like to use it on our database (Sybase ASE 12.5) and just wondering if they've made any improvements yet.
Thanks,
--
Matt
I will stay running the 2.4 series, but this release seems news to me. I understood that some basic i/o has been rewritten during the 2.5.2-pre cycle, and I guess that 2.5 is now stable enough for new features like inclusion of ALSA and CML2. Does anyone have a link to some 2.5 kernel planning?
But you are absolutely correct in that the scheduler improvements will be more apparent and dramatic on 4 and 8-way machines because of the elimination of the global run queue. Each CPU gets its own run queue and processes will only bounce around when other cpu's are idle. We finally have a scheduler that will work on enterprise class machines.
Just be aware that quite a bit is moving around in 2.5.x, so nothing is guaranteed to stay stable at all in it.
...it will compile this time. I tend to only get lucky every few kernel versions. Or is that all the bloat I try to compile in *grin*
Looks like XFS is still not about to be included in the main development tree, which is too bad since it is a great filesystem. I guess that I am going to have to continue getting my updates from SGI.
:-)
(Getting a kernel via CVS is SOOOO nice)
Don't randomly spout off baseless claims just to sound good. Windows 2000 natively supports the 3c590; I'm running two of them on my cable modem box at home. I got both secondhand; no drivers whatsoever. Win2000 didn't blink at their inclusion; I never even had to see the "detecting new hardware" screen.
Do you have any theories as to what would produce this difference in audio quality (particularly on SB, which is just bog simple -- there really isn't anything that could be different)?
It could just be linear versus logarithmic mixer settings, but that's not a sound quality issue.
If that were the case, you would just need to start turning up the volume at the mixer rather than turning up the pot on your headphone cord or your external speaker amp -- both of which will introduce additional "hiss".
Otherwise, this smacks of "psychosomatic bug" to me.
DNA just wants to be free...
"Amazing.. it's been out over 3 hours and not discussed to death. Well, maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there. But if there are, here's what's new. You can get it at the usual place, but please use the mirrors if you can."
Do you really expect many people to run this kernel? It's unstable as ****, mostly due to the block IO changes.. I think most users would rather not have their drive corrupted because they are running the latest and coolest kernel..
Anyway, no 2.5 for me, until ALSA enters this series of kernels..
xer.xes -- 4181
a little over a year ago, I bought a external CD-RW drive as a backup device -- an HP 8100 (or is is 8200?) series external model. I chose it because it was by HP and USB; I figured that with those two factors, it should be a pretty cross-platform device, so I could get everything off my unstable win2K laptop onto CDs, and when I got a Mac (as I planned at that point, and later did), could use it on the Mac. Google searches found plenty of people who were using it under Linux, and since the laptop at that point dual-booted ...
...
;) I hope that Mandrake 8.2 PPC will work it, too, but since that's not out yet, can't say.
At any rate, my reasoning was bad, and I should have researched more. Did it work under Windows? Yes. The included software I find pretty ugly, but Yes, it works. Does it work under Linux? Yes, when set up by a smart person (not me) who did a bunch of fiddling, but now works great. But the Mac? Nope. The HP site has one of those great non-responsive responses in the FAQ, too. Something like
"Q: Does my 8200e work with the Mac OS?
A: We understand that many people would like to use their 8200e with a computer running the Mac OS. Have a nice day."
Huh? They couldn't have released a driver for a %$#@ external USB drive!? I expected to just pop on the HP site and download a driver, seemed reasonable enough. HP used to be a Mac-friendly company, but now I am wary about buying any HP product. Thanks, guys. Glad it works under Linux
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
make modules_install && depmod -a :no such file or directory
/usr/src/linux-2.5.2/net
cp: asstd nic drivers
etc..
leaving directory
make[2] during _modinst_net
make[1] suck_it : this didn't work stick in your quarter and try it again.
Guys , is this normal?
So, what does the Windows XP code look like?
Oh, You are not willing to go to jail to show us?
/*
This animated doggy-helper makes me want to gouge my fucking eyes out with a grapefruit spoon, I hope Bill doesn't see this, but since there is no peer review he probably won't.
*/ (annoying_helper.c)
I love 2.4.17, it works great. I will upgrade sometime in the future, but can anyone give me a good reason to upgrade right now?
I had that happen once too. checked IRC and the BSDeers blamed it on a bad gcc buid which was the same i used on another 2.4 kernel. The bad one for me was 2.4.3 i think, and when 2.4.5 came out I started to use it with no problems to date. Promise Ultra-ATA100 is the card.
:)
Coward
i think the original poster was referring to redhat releasing a dist with an unstable kernel. this being a reference to them releasing an entire version based on an unstable snapshot of gcc.
i really wish people would get off this "jump to conclusions" bandwagon.
-- john
I dunno, I move away from Linux for 2 months and there's a new kernel! :P
I'm sorry to hear that my attitude bugs you. Please know that I didn't start my day in that direction.
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I don't dispute that information about kernel releases should be news. But there are places to get that specific kind of information (kernel.org?).
It just seems odd that a development release would make HEADLINE news on
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. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
Oh, so asking an honest question in an effort to understand is considered trolling?
Well then, in an effort to better myself and learn:
I TROLL WITH PRIDE!
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. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
Sure, I'll try 2.5.2.. no big deal. After the 2.4 series, I'm strangely no longer afraid of the development tree. (-;
ps.) hint to developers: better VIA chipset support!
This animated doggy-helper makes me want to gouge my fucking eyes out with a grapefruit spoon, I hope Bill doesn't see this, but since there is no peer review he probably won't.
*/ (annoying_helper.vbs)
So what. Yet another unstable Linux kernel.
When will people learn and just run FreeBSD?
Had that problem with Suse 7.2's 2.4.4 kernel. It seems the first versions of 2.4 were over-sensitive--it's apparently solved in later 2.4 versions (I run 2.2.19)
Lots of people are interested. If you're not, don't read the story. Don't waste your time commenting. Just skip to the next one.
Does it really offend you so much you have to tell everyone?
A troll is not the same thing as an opinion.
great news I allready thought folk was dead since there were no updates for over 3 months
holy crap! and i have 2 mod points left! it's too bad the parent of this post can't be modded to a +6 or +7, because that post would have my points easy.
Do not make me laugh, I have macs and PC's and for the consumer XP is a joke. Let's see, had difficulty getting the HP camera to work, scanner no longer works it has the driver but returns an error, the dvd decoder card is now inoperable, and MS XP CD creation feature is severely hobbled and buggy. XP though is relatively stable compared to ME but can easily be taken down by a bad driver or driver error, play with driver settings 9 of 10 times results in a crash. Also what is it with XP and the mess of drivers that must be dealt with, you install them and they do not work it makes no sense. The big XP breakthrough was Library versioning which finally means less of a chance people will screw up their computers. MS products in theory sound good but never really are.
What are you talking about? That post was shite.