What makes you think price is why they chose open source? People that are doing high performance computing and visualization are almost exclusively linux. Microsoft has been trying to give it away to those people for years with little success.
Anyway, your comment was funny and worth a mod up, just wanted to point out that if they really wanted to save money they could have cut a deal with microsoft. I've seen how far they're willing to go to buy a customer in this market.
You mean they should use that obnoxious Google feature that tries to stop one visiting crack sites? At least they could provide a link to continue, after the user is informed of the risks - to not include one is simply irritating.
Googles malware list is a crap list with many legit sites on it. It sucks almost as much as when they redirect links via their God-awful slow google.com/url slow boat to China. I have never encountered the malware redirect for a site that actually has malware.
To be honest, the malware thing and the google.com/url redirects have me using yahoo more and more. I turned off the malware censor, but I can only 'mostly' turn off the google.com/url redirect. But I do hover the links now and will not ever ever ever ever click on a link that points to google.com/url , ever. YOU HEAR ME GOOGLE?
I don't need them to protect me from malware, I can do that myself. My most desired feature from Google would be a way to ban scribd and experts-exchange from my search results. That would make the internet as a whole so much better. Sites like scribd and experts-exchange would probably stop sucking when they realize 80% of the population essentially has them on/ignore.
Maybe someone could make a firefox plugin that appends a inurl -scribd line in every search?
Wait, you visit scribd on purpose? I've been thinking how I can ban them (and a few others) from my google search results without typing -scribd every time.
The fact is that Obama is a redistributionist who claims that jobs are owed and not earned...His political stance is well known to be re-distributionist
Redistributionist? Quit makin shit up already. Anyone else notice that many, maybe most conservatives seem completely unable to put together a logical argument based on verifiable facts? They have to rely invented or appropriated labels or phrases that they just keep repeating over and over. It seems no matter how well you explain your position, the mob across the aisle will just yell "NOBAMA!" and then start cheering and high fiving each other. I remember the same tactics were used to climb the social hierarchy in middle school...
Watch Fox and Friends or Glenn Beck for 20 minutes for examples. It's like watching a movie where some "hacker dude" is sitting at a main frame terminal and all the paths on the screen are delimited with backslashes. The pro wrestling fan next to you might think it's a great movie but you don't even know what the hell is going on because the illogic of it all keeps stabbing you in the eye.
Now, I'm not saying you're dumb because I disagree with your apparent politics. I'm saying that the statement above, the one I quoted, is kinda retarded. Seriously, can you provide a concise, reasonable definition of 're-distributionist' that doesn't also describe half the country? Also, you know dam well Obama never claimed that jobs are "owed and not earned" so why would you even say something like that? Do you think someone reading that might believe you? I think maybe you do, and that's why I think you're dumb.
It's just as illogical to assume that because there are two buckets that they are equal in every regard. For many issues, there is a right and wrong that goes beyond political and ideological labels. Arguing against what you perceive as immoral or wrong doesn't automatically make you a bigot or an ignoramus.
If I understand the GP correctly, it's not how you judge the two buckets that indicates ignorance. It's that you think there are two buckets. I'm not saying you think there's two buckets though.
I think there's a firefox ui dev who just won't be satisfied. Seems like every release I have to spend a week looking for about:config fixes and extenstions to undo his work.
Are you saying that "just fine" equates to "indistinguishable from whatever Apple uses?"
I don't understand how being able to recognize that two UI's weren't built with the same toolkit means anything.
Wouldn't you expect that to always be true no matter what?
Man that pisses me off. The whole 'dependent' thing.
The whole point is that it's an *entitlement*. I'm not asking anyone for a handout and praying they're in a good mood in my time of need. It's OWED to me. As in MINE. That's the important part. That I don't have to ASK.
As someone that came out of foster care with no relatives I know first hand what it's like to have _no_ safety net. And I've been laid off a few times, in fairly quick succession. That means I know what it's like to sleep outside, or in the back of a car.
I pay taxes on every penny I make. If an hour of my labor is worth $20 and I trade that hour for $20 I pay as if I had gained $20 _income_ and not merely broken even. Why do I have to pay? The New Deal, that's why.
The New Deal and the safety net it promised is what made it possible for the government to put that tax liability on my head. And now that it's on and fixed good, the people that used to foot 80% of the bill is now only covering 20% wants to take away that safety net -because if I wasn't lazy I wouldn't need one. That 20% is just too damn much now.
Let me tell you something. When my employer goes belly up or lays me off (to get a momentary jump in stock price so some fat cat can line his pockets) and I need help, I'm not going to any 'faith based charity' or some shit like that. I'm going to get my 'entitlement'. You know why?
Because I'm ENTITLED GOD DAMN IT. I'm sick and tired of carving out 30+% of my wages to subsidize a laundry list of corporate interests in this country, only to listen to the bastards rant on about how if I have any kind of a guarantee it'll just make me DEPENDANT. WTF. You don't know me. I once pulled a 60 hour shift and spent 25 of those hours at hard labor. Call me lazy to my face and I'll take your fucking teeth out.
Redistribution of wealth? That's my motherfucking MONEY going to subsidize the corporate fat cats pocketing BILLIONS Look it up. Get a map of 'giver' states and 'taker' states and overlay it with a political Dems vs Rep map. Holy Shit?! Welfare is what I call it.
There's a line that people just flat out shouldn't be _allowed_ to fall through. Not talking about living high, but I am talking about food, dry clothes, place to sleep *when it's needed* and ffs the knowledge that I can see a doctor when I'm sick. What you don't seem to realize is that when people have to fight day and night for those minimum needs, they feel relieved and emotionally 'take a breath' during the times when they have them. Having those things guaranteed frees people to look up, to start thinking about personal _achievements_ and not mere survival. Knowing I don't need to go to my neighbors or to some charity on my knees for a 'handout' in a crisis means dignity and respect. I earned that. If you think I'm being unreasonable or greedy, fine. Gimme my money back then.
If grubby hands are gonna be in my pocket every Friday there needs to be some RECIPROCITY.
Thanks, now I know that the lack of interoperability here is simply the unintentional result of a bad spec, and, that MicroSoft was actually working in good faith to produce a plugin compatible with other Office Suites.
There's seems to be a sense of animosity from some in the BSD camp towards the GPL, but, I don't get why it's not okay for the GPL camp to make improvements and then dictate how they're used but it _is_ okay for some big corporation to do the exact same thing.
PS. Linux needs a real installer / uninstaller for applications too, and that really means you need to suck it up and implement some sort of a registry for all of your settings. Woops, did I say that?
Please explain what a 'real' installer is, cause I really really don't see anything compelling about the way Windows does it. And as far as a 'registry' goes, do you mean something like/etc/profile or the output of env, or does it absolutely positively have to be hierarchical database of unreadable non-intuitive strings?
And just to be clear, I'm not obliquely calling you a troll and I'm not being (all that) sarcastic either. I want to know what you think is wrong with clicking on an rpm file or typing yum install amarok ?
You're mixing up two complaints. And you can consider getting over both of them. Let me explain.
The kernel already comes (from distros like suse and rh) with support for heaven and earth configured, there's not much more they can do to aid you in your quest to never type make && make modules_install.
Cross-distro portability for packages has been talked about for years and will likely never happen for one good reason. On the face of it there are two issues here, the directory layout (which LSB is trying to address), and the tool chain. Neither of those are the base reason for not having portability. The real reason is that in the end, "Linux is Linux" no matter what distro you're using. That is they're (distros) mostly the same except for a few areas where distributions get to differentiate from each other. They are the kernel configuration, the package management system, the init system, the directory layout, and the tool chain. Giving you complete portability would require them to give these up and then we wouldn't have 'distros' anymore, we'd have logos. I don't think anyone wants that.
There are people in the world who think "HCI" is more than common sense and taking some time the think. They tend to think they know what you'll like better than you. You can sometimes find them in forums responding to "How do I..." questions with admonitions not to do what you're asking.
Do people buy both? I've always thought people bought one or the other. Long haul truckers and blind people buy audio versions, and others buy the written versions. I don't think Kindle will change that.
I can see people taking advantage of this, like someone listening instead of reading while cleaning the house or something, but that person would probably never think to buy an audio version of the book. I can't see there being enough lost sales to care.
I suppose Fanny and Freddy weren't government meddling by buying up all those bad bundles, and the fact that the SEC and every other agency conveniently looked away during the boom wasn't meddling?
I don't when or why F/F bought those bundles; isn't the SEC looking the other way the opposite of meddling? In any case the people who created those bundles are the source of the problem, not the government.
The people do not run this country, The Law runs it. The laws guarantee liberty and private property as a right. I am usually the first to argue against the interpretations of the 14th that give limited liability and corporate personhood, but the right to form a business through contract and be free of coercion by the state(without due process) is as clear as crystal.
The people write the Law(s).
I never said anything about taking a way the right to contract, anywhere ever. I am ONLY talking about benefits that come from getting a corporate charter from the state (i.e. limited liability, corporate personhood). Getting such a charter is a privilege, not a right. The right to contract is a right that I have strong opinions on, and I would never, have never argued that it should be abridged.
Someone who believes a tyranny of the majority(middle-class in your case) should have the ability to use federal power to abridge the liberties of a minority group. Spin it how you want, but That Is What You Said, and in that sense you are no different than George Bush and the Neo-Con scum.
I NEVER NEVER NEVER said that. STOP rebutting arguments I have not made. You keep implying I've made arguments I didn't or that I said something I didn't and then arguing against those points. I asserted that the middle class is the driver of the economy (demand side) and that the capitalist (supply side) is NOT the driver of the economy. I did not say or imply anywhere ever in my entire life on this forum or anywhere else that any group should use federal power to abridged the liberties of anyone. I DO assert that the market and our laws should encourage decent wages and job security for the average wage earner (the middle class), because they drive the economy with their purchases.
I don't know if you're a troll, but I'm going to take a chance that you're merely ignorant.
1)The right to incorporate does not exist in the constitution. 2)The people of the United States are, and always have been, the ultimate authority in this country. They write the laws. 3)The middle class is the group of people who buy goods and services. They drive demand. Demographically they are the largest group (of course). When these wage earners are hurting, they buy less. When they have fair wages and job security they buy more. Think 'demand side' vs 'supply side'. Supply side economics (voodoo economics) is dead and buried. 4)Read a book. 5)The housing bubble is the result of greedy people writing loans THEY KNEW were likely to fail, but didn't care because the also knew they'd bundle and sell them off before they fail. The idea that government meddling caused this is patently false. 6)If you see "Communism" in every argument that doesn't support your world view, you're an idiot. Nowhere in my OP did I advocate such an extreme view. 7)The enabling laws of passed 100 to 120 years ago are the corruption here. Before that, corporate charters were granted only when there was a stated purposed _that served the public good_. Those corporations were limited in what they could do, where they could do it. Many of them were in fact _owned by the state_. 8)Read a book.
I'm with you on that, I was thinking the same thing a few years ago. I wanted to come up with a way to retool the way the market works to strongly discourage not only day trading, but also maneuvers on the part of corporate leaders that result in a short term bump in stock price at the long term detriment of the company. Reward long term planning and stability. But I couldn't think of any ideas worth repeating.
I did not say or imply that any new "restriction" is a solution, nor did I say or imply that there's _no_ need for American companies to export jobs or reduce wages. Maybe you responded to the wrong post, or maybe you don't have a response for my actual post.
Motivation implies incentives not restriction or regulation.
Your premise that companies have a choice between exporting jobs or going out of business is certainly not always true, I think it is usually not true. As such, 'protectionist' laws aren't needed to protect us from foreign importers, we just need to better motivate the right choices.
Your other premise seems to be that the only option available to the public is to vote with their stock market choices or with their consumer dollar. Also not true. The freedom from liability that comes with incorporation also comes with real and implied responsibilities. Many of the implied responsibilities have been eroded over the years, and that may be corrected by codifying them into law -an option I'm hoping gets traction.
That's the hard decision that needs to be made here. The egg that needs to be cracked here are the super rich executives reaping all the benefits of incorporation and accepting none of the liability that should come from running a business. The starving 3rd party is the middle class that these fat cats don't have to see or care about. YOU are the petulant child.
Your position lacks historical perspective, and, is avoiding the fact that in many of these situations the jobs don't have to be exported for the company to remain profitable. The owners simply aren't satisfied with the hundreds of millions per year they're already making.
The downside is that you cannot simply demand that a company create jobs or bow to your demands that they pay for your society.
Yes we can. The privilege of a corporate charter, and all the benefits that come from that are granted by the people of the United States. It is NOT a RIGHT. The trend over the past hundred years has been for corporations to take more and more while giving less. The expectation that a corporation will exist to serve the public good is all but gone now and pretty much anyone with the requisite fees can become incorporated.
Maybe allowing that to happen was a mistake, but, the ultimate authority in this country, the People, have been misinformed, lied to, and manipulated by the same people who own and run these corporations. It is not impossible in these 'connected' times that enough people will become fed up and start revoking charters.
The wage earners of this country are the engine that drives everything in our present economy, not the stock market, not the capitalists. A strong and healthy middle class is needed to support YOUR standard of living. Take care of it or you too will suffer.
Regarding your insult to the poor and uneducated in this country (der takin oar jorbs): Your place in society is not at all secure, and if you continue to speak and behave as if it is, you will be the one responsible for your children or grandchildren becoming one of the same people you ridicule. The number of upper middle class 'slots' is becoming fewer and fewer every year and there might not be a chair for you the next time the music stops. The way things are going, it could even happen in your lifetime -people don't always get what they deserve, but you just might.
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What makes you think price is why they chose open source? People that are doing high performance computing and visualization are almost exclusively linux. Microsoft has been trying to give it away to those people for years with little success.
Anyway, your comment was funny and worth a mod up, just wanted to point out that if they really wanted to save money they could have cut a deal with microsoft. I've seen how far they're willing to go to buy a customer in this market.
+5 Inciteful
You mean they should use that obnoxious Google feature that tries to stop one visiting crack sites? At least they could provide a link to continue, after the user is informed of the risks - to not include one is simply irritating.
Googles malware list is a crap list with many legit sites on it. It sucks almost as much as when they redirect links via their God-awful slow google.com/url slow boat to China. I have never encountered the malware redirect for a site that actually has malware. To be honest, the malware thing and the google.com/url redirects have me using yahoo more and more. I turned off the malware censor, but I can only 'mostly' turn off the google.com/url redirect. But I do hover the links now and will not ever ever ever ever click on a link that points to google.com/url , ever. YOU HEAR ME GOOGLE? /ignore.
Maybe someone could make a firefox plugin that appends a inurl -scribd line in every search?
I don't need them to protect me from malware, I can do that myself. My most desired feature from Google would be a way to ban scribd and experts-exchange from my search results. That would make the internet as a whole so much better. Sites like scribd and experts-exchange would probably stop sucking when they realize 80% of the population essentially has them on
Wait, you visit scribd on purpose? I've been thinking how I can ban them (and a few others) from my google search results without typing -scribd every time.
The fact is that Obama is a redistributionist who claims that jobs are owed and not earned...His political stance is well known to be re-distributionist
Redistributionist? Quit makin shit up already. Anyone else notice that many, maybe most conservatives seem completely unable to put together a logical argument based on verifiable facts? They have to rely invented or appropriated labels or phrases that they just keep repeating over and over. It seems no matter how well you explain your position, the mob across the aisle will just yell "NOBAMA!" and then start cheering and high fiving each other. I remember the same tactics were used to climb the social hierarchy in middle school...
Watch Fox and Friends or Glenn Beck for 20 minutes for examples. It's like watching a movie where some "hacker dude" is sitting at a main frame terminal and all the paths on the screen are delimited with backslashes. The pro wrestling fan next to you might think it's a great movie but you don't even know what the hell is going on because the illogic of it all keeps stabbing you in the eye.
Now, I'm not saying you're dumb because I disagree with your apparent politics. I'm saying that the statement above, the one I quoted, is kinda retarded. Seriously, can you provide a concise, reasonable definition of 're-distributionist' that doesn't also describe half the country? Also, you know dam well Obama never claimed that jobs are "owed and not earned" so why would you even say something like that? Do you think someone reading that might believe you? I think maybe you do, and that's why I think you're dumb.
It's just as illogical to assume that because there are two buckets that they are equal in every regard. For many issues, there is a right and wrong that goes beyond political and ideological labels. Arguing against what you perceive as immoral or wrong doesn't automatically make you a bigot or an ignoramus.
If I understand the GP correctly, it's not how you judge the two buckets that indicates ignorance. It's that you think there are two buckets. I'm not saying you think there's two buckets though.
I think there's a firefox ui dev who just won't be satisfied. Seems like every release I have to spend a week looking for about:config fixes and extenstions to undo his work.
The man has deep personal biases that he's trying to rationalize for others.
Are you saying that "just fine" equates to "indistinguishable from whatever Apple uses?"
I don't understand how being able to recognize that two UI's weren't built with the same toolkit means anything.
Wouldn't you expect that to always be true no matter what?
Man that pisses me off. The whole 'dependent' thing.
The whole point is that it's an *entitlement*. I'm not asking anyone for a handout and praying they're in a good mood in my time of need. It's OWED to me. As in MINE. That's the important part. That I don't have to ASK.
As someone that came out of foster care with no relatives I know first hand what it's like to have _no_ safety net. And I've been laid off a few times, in fairly quick succession. That means I know what it's like to sleep outside, or in the back of a car.
I pay taxes on every penny I make. If an hour of my labor is worth $20 and I trade that hour for $20 I pay as if I had gained $20 _income_ and not merely broken even. Why do I have to pay? The New Deal, that's why.
The New Deal and the safety net it promised is what made it possible for the government to put that tax liability on my head. And now that it's on and fixed good, the people that used to foot 80% of the bill is now only covering 20% wants to take away that safety net -because if I wasn't lazy I wouldn't need one. That 20% is just too damn much now.
Let me tell you something. When my employer goes belly up or lays me off (to get a momentary jump in stock price so some fat cat can line his pockets) and I need help, I'm not going to any 'faith based charity' or some shit like that. I'm going to get my 'entitlement'. You know why?
Because I'm ENTITLED GOD DAMN IT. I'm sick and tired of carving out 30+% of my wages to subsidize a laundry list of corporate interests in this country, only to listen to the bastards rant on about how if I have any kind of a guarantee it'll just make me DEPENDANT. WTF. You don't know me. I once pulled a 60 hour shift and spent 25 of those hours at hard labor. Call me lazy to my face and I'll take your fucking teeth out.
Redistribution of wealth? That's my motherfucking MONEY going to subsidize the corporate fat cats pocketing BILLIONS Look it up. Get a map of 'giver' states and 'taker' states and overlay it with a political Dems vs Rep map. Holy Shit?! Welfare is what I call it.
There's a line that people just flat out shouldn't be _allowed_ to fall through. Not talking about living high, but I am talking about food, dry clothes, place to sleep *when it's needed* and ffs the knowledge that I can see a doctor when I'm sick. What you don't seem to realize is that when people have to fight day and night for those minimum needs, they feel relieved and emotionally 'take a breath' during the times when they have them. Having those things guaranteed frees people to look up, to start thinking about personal _achievements_ and not mere survival. Knowing I don't need to go to my neighbors or to some charity on my knees for a 'handout' in a crisis means dignity and respect. I earned that. If you think I'm being unreasonable or greedy, fine. Gimme my money back then.
If grubby hands are gonna be in my pocket every Friday there needs to be some RECIPROCITY.
Thanks, now I know that the lack of interoperability here is simply the unintentional result of a bad spec, and, that MicroSoft was actually working in good faith to produce a plugin compatible with other Office Suites.
There's seems to be a sense of animosity from some in the BSD camp towards the GPL, but, I don't get why it's not okay for the GPL camp to make improvements and then dictate how they're used but it _is_ okay for some big corporation to do the exact same thing.
PS. Linux needs a real installer / uninstaller for applications too, and that really means you need to suck it up and implement some sort of a registry for all of your settings. Woops, did I say that?
Please explain what a 'real' installer is, cause I really really don't see anything compelling about the way Windows does it. And as far as a 'registry' goes, do you mean something like /etc/profile or the output of env, or does it absolutely positively have to be hierarchical database of unreadable non-intuitive strings?
And just to be clear, I'm not obliquely calling you a troll and I'm not being (all that) sarcastic either. I want to know what you think is wrong with clicking on an rpm file or typing yum install amarok ?
You're mixing up two complaints. And you can consider getting over both of them. Let me explain.
The kernel already comes (from distros like suse and rh) with support for heaven and earth configured, there's not much more they can do to aid you in your quest to never type make && make modules_install.
Cross-distro portability for packages has been talked about for years and will likely never happen for one good reason. On the face of it there are two issues here, the directory layout (which LSB is trying to address), and the tool chain. Neither of those are the base reason for not having portability. The real reason is that in the end, "Linux is Linux" no matter what distro you're using. That is they're (distros) mostly the same except for a few areas where distributions get to differentiate from each other. They are the kernel configuration, the package management system, the init system, the directory layout, and the tool chain. Giving you complete portability would require them to give these up and then we wouldn't have 'distros' anymore, we'd have logos. I don't think anyone wants that.
Not everyone wants an initrd/initramfs to be 'required' to boot. Options, always preserve your options.
are you saying that rhel has drivers that centos doesn't?
HCI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-computer_interaction
There are people in the world who think "HCI" is more than common sense and taking some time the think. They tend to think they know what you'll like better than you. You can sometimes find them in forums responding to "How do I..." questions with admonitions not to do what you're asking.
Do people buy both? I've always thought people bought one or the other. Long haul truckers and blind people buy audio versions, and others buy the written versions. I don't think Kindle will change that.
I can see people taking advantage of this, like someone listening instead of reading while cleaning the house or something, but that person would probably never think to buy an audio version of the book. I can't see there being enough lost sales to care.
I suppose Fanny and Freddy weren't government meddling by buying up all those bad bundles, and the fact that the SEC and every other agency conveniently looked away during the boom wasn't meddling?
I don't when or why F/F bought those bundles; isn't the SEC looking the other way the opposite of meddling? In any case the people who created those bundles are the source of the problem, not the government.
The people do not run this country, The Law runs it. The laws guarantee liberty and private property as a right. I am usually the first to argue against the interpretations of the 14th that give limited liability and corporate personhood, but the right to form a business through contract and be free of coercion by the state(without due process) is as clear as crystal.
The people write the Law(s).
I never said anything about taking a way the right to contract, anywhere ever. I am ONLY talking about benefits that come from getting a corporate charter from the state (i.e. limited liability, corporate personhood). Getting such a charter is a privilege, not a right. The right to contract is a right that I have strong opinions on, and I would never, have never argued that it should be abridged.
Someone who believes a tyranny of the majority(middle-class in your case) should have the ability to use federal power to abridge the liberties of a minority group. Spin it how you want, but That Is What You Said, and in that sense you are no different than George Bush and the Neo-Con scum.
I NEVER NEVER NEVER said that. STOP rebutting arguments I have not made. You keep implying I've made arguments I didn't or that I said something I didn't and then arguing against those points. I asserted that the middle class is the driver of the economy (demand side) and that the capitalist (supply side) is NOT the driver of the economy. I did not say or imply anywhere ever in my entire life on this forum or anywhere else that any group should use federal power to abridged the liberties of anyone. I DO assert that the market and our laws should encourage decent wages and job security for the average wage earner (the middle class), because they drive the economy with their purchases.
I don't know if you're a troll, but I'm going to take a chance that you're merely ignorant.
1)The right to incorporate does not exist in the constitution.
2)The people of the United States are, and always have been, the ultimate authority in this country. They write the laws.
3)The middle class is the group of people who buy goods and services. They drive demand. Demographically they are the largest group (of course). When these wage earners are hurting, they buy less. When they have fair wages and job security they buy more. Think 'demand side' vs 'supply side'. Supply side economics (voodoo economics) is dead and buried.
4)Read a book.
5)The housing bubble is the result of greedy people writing loans THEY KNEW were likely to fail, but didn't care because the also knew they'd bundle and sell them off before they fail. The idea that government meddling caused this is patently false.
6)If you see "Communism" in every argument that doesn't support your world view, you're an idiot. Nowhere in my OP did I advocate such an extreme view.
7)The enabling laws of passed 100 to 120 years ago are the corruption here. Before that, corporate charters were granted only when there was a stated purposed _that served the public good_. Those corporations were limited in what they could do, where they could do it. Many of them were in fact _owned by the state_.
8)Read a book.
I'm with you on that, I was thinking the same thing a few years ago. I wanted to come up with a way to retool the way the market works to strongly discourage not only day trading, but also maneuvers on the part of corporate leaders that result in a short term bump in stock price at the long term detriment of the company. Reward long term planning and stability. But I couldn't think of any ideas worth repeating.
Do you have any?
I did not say or imply that any new "restriction" is a solution, nor did I say or imply that there's _no_ need for American companies to export jobs or reduce wages. Maybe you responded to the wrong post, or maybe you don't have a response for my actual post.
Motivation implies incentives not restriction or regulation.
Your premise that companies have a choice between exporting jobs or going out of business is certainly not always true, I think it is usually not true. As such, 'protectionist' laws aren't needed to protect us from foreign importers, we just need to better motivate the right choices.
Your other premise seems to be that the only option available to the public is to vote with their stock market choices or with their consumer dollar. Also not true. The freedom from liability that comes with incorporation also comes with real and implied responsibilities. Many of the implied responsibilities have been eroded over the years, and that may be corrected by codifying them into law -an option I'm hoping gets traction.
That's the hard decision that needs to be made here. The egg that needs to be cracked here are the super rich executives reaping all the benefits of incorporation and accepting none of the liability that should come from running a business. The starving 3rd party is the middle class that these fat cats don't have to see or care about. YOU are the petulant child.
The downside is that you cannot simply demand that a company create jobs or bow to your demands that they pay for your society.
Yes we can. The privilege of a corporate charter, and all the benefits that come from that are granted by the people of the United States. It is NOT a RIGHT. The trend over the past hundred years has been for corporations to take more and more while giving less. The expectation that a corporation will exist to serve the public good is all but gone now and pretty much anyone with the requisite fees can become incorporated.
Maybe allowing that to happen was a mistake, but, the ultimate authority in this country, the People, have been misinformed, lied to, and manipulated by the same people who own and run these corporations. It is not impossible in these 'connected' times that enough people will become fed up and start revoking charters.
The wage earners of this country are the engine that drives everything in our present economy, not the stock market, not the capitalists. A strong and healthy middle class is needed to support YOUR standard of living. Take care of it or you too will suffer.
Regarding your insult to the poor and uneducated in this country (der takin oar jorbs): Your place in society is not at all secure, and if you continue to speak and behave as if it is, you will be the one responsible for your children or grandchildren becoming one of the same people you ridicule. The number of upper middle class 'slots' is becoming fewer and fewer every year and there might not be a chair for you the next time the music stops. The way things are going, it could even happen in your lifetime -people don't always get what they deserve, but you just might.
You found a glibc version dependency and you think that means there's more than one glibc?