Wow. What we've had (and loved) for decades is a clusterfuck. How enlightening. Don't complain about dependencies -why the hell would you want to choose your own system logger or cron daemon. Idiocy!
Also, no one reinvent anything ever okay? Unless your name is Lennart and you want to replace all that modularity and flexibility with one big thing.
Hey, lets have a registry while we're at it okay?/sarcasm
Language like yours typifies pretty much every pro systemd statement you can find.
Because RH did it, and that's all. Looked at from all technical perspectives systemd is a net loss for everyone except Lennarts ego. Politics and personality are driving systemd adoption, not any technical need.
Now matter how well Lennart implements systemd, it will always be a shitty idea.
Yes, it is. The job of the ISP is to provide their paying customers access to 'TheInternet'. That is still the promise they make, and still their obligation. If they can't meet that obligation they should go do something else.
They are using publicly subsidized infrastructure on publicly owned land to seek rent on a network they are not investing in or improving. So fuck them.
Samsung is all over the xdeveloper forums. I complained about my bootloader being locked OTA and within hours there were dozens of haters on me. That kind of shit didn't happen with Transformer.
There's already a lot of people who know puppet or chef but not much else (and think they know something). I think the trend is going to continue, ultimately spreading to the distro's themselves as they become less malleable, less flexible, with fewer differences between them (Hi Lennart). We'll have frameworks for frameworks. Linux will be Windows.
And then the trend will reverse. The current crop of 20-somethings will be in their 30's and "reinventing Unix".
Outside of the lkml the focus seems to be shifting to the "I have laptop/tablet and I'm at Starbucks" use case at the expense of people who actually have work with linux servers (that may belong to someone else and run somewhere else). Numerically we're in the minority now. (thanks Ubuntu)
For example: The RedHat ***Enterprise*** Linux installer assumes that my *server* is going to migrate from subnet to subnet and need it's network reconfigured automagically from time to time. How nice.
They address it by redefining in their own terms what network transparency means. That way they can deflect the issue with statements like this: "X is Network Transparent.â Wrong. Its not.
###Network Transparency means that I can ssh -Y into *ANY* system and run *EVERY* gui application over the network without *ever* needing to install additional software.
Wayland developers and supporters consistently try to re-frame the discussion to imply that there is no issue and "we" are misinformed. It's like they're politicians behind a podium. Liars.
The people who live in Lansing Michigan are to blame for this. I was just looking at the Mike Rogers video on youtube and wishing he represented my district so I could vote against him.
Then I realized that I can still hate on everyone who lives in Lansing Michigan because Mike Rogers is ultimately *their fault*.
To put it another way, All of us need to hold the people of respective districts responsible for what their congressmen do.
Fuck You Lansing, CISPA is your fault so do something about it. Oh, and fuck Mike Rogers for thinking he's smarter than the average 14 year old.
This is what I thought people were talking about when I first started hearing the term "smart grid". When I discovered they really meant I was disappointed.
I've always thought the AJAX code was intentionally terrible to force people to login and get a tolerable UI.
I don't think anyone likes the ajax crap and even though it's been complained about more than anything, it's still forced on us. So I doubt anyone is actually "listening to us".
Until we're back to where we were in 1997 the copyright lobby won't get a dime from me. I hope they all go bankrupt and I'll do anything I can to help that happen.
Dude, *everything* you've said is precisely supposition. And:
Motorola STOPPED locking boot loaders before the acquisition and then started again after. Motorola XOOM: unlocked Motorola XOOM2: locked.
If you don't know these two facts already then you completely lack the context to even discuss this. Or, you're not playing straight. Either way, take away your point.
Why shouldn't the guy from ASUS get the benefit of the doubt? Because it doesn't fit with your view? Maybe he's right you're wrong*. Subjective, take away your point.
That fact that Google will not allow you to use Google video with a rooted tablet adds something ( a connection ! ) to the *correlation* of locked boot loader and Google Video. Correlation is not causation but neither is it meaningless. Take away your point.
Motive and incentive don't matter anymore? When did that happen? This is exactly the kind of debate that has a place for motive.
Finally, the situation isn't as straightforward as "google directs manufacturers to lock boot loaders." It is
1)Google tells manufacturers that to access Google Video the device must not be root and it must support Google DRM.
2)The least expensive route for the manufacturers is is to implement the boot loader encryption already provided by the chip.
*Let me explain it another way. Google DRM is insecure without hardware encryption. Google DRM is required for Google Video. Google is knowingly encouraging hardware encryption in a way that allows them to say "We don't dictate..." It's a kind of lie as far as I'm concerned.
1)We have a few hand sets that are NEVER intended to take a sizable percentage of the market but ARE intended to help manufacturers design better products and work closer with Google.
Are you claiming that Googles official position is that boot loaders should be unencrypted? As far as I know no one from Google has made such an official statement. So actually on the one hand we have your opinion and the other we have:
1)Hand sets that are NEVER intended to take a sizable percentage of the market but ARE intended to help manufacturers design better products and work closer with Google.
2)Samsung sells tablets with unlocked boot loaders and then in the *same* update locks it and installs Google Video. They apparently go together.
3)An ASUS *official* says that the boot loader is encrypted to support Google DRM.
4)Motorola's new products since Google purchased them have locked boot loaders. They refuse to explain why they just refer people to a dead end support site.
5)Simple logic. Google stands to take in billions through Google Video and other store fronts via the Android Market. Google Video goes nowhere if Hollywood isn't satisfied the the DRM. Google lets manufacturers know that if they want support from Google they have to support Google DRM --which means LOCKED BOOT LOADERS.
6)Google has not and will not make an official statement regarding their position on the encryption of boot loaders. They will NEVER take a firm stance on this one way or the other. This, all by itself says everything you need to know.
There will be an unlocked tablet here and there. Just enough to give the apologist some ammo. There may even be an increase of the Asus model where they make you jump through a few hoops and you can own your tablet. But the vast majority of hardware (because most of the population is made up of apathetic chumps) will be locked down ultimately because Google wants it that way. They are *not* the good guys here. There are huge financial incentives for them to encourage lock down.
Don't EVEN trot out the the tired Nexus example. Nexus is a limited release that was only launced to promote the Android exosystem so there would be more Android phones and tablets that will come with encrypted boot loaders, google drm, google video rentals, etc. Walled Garden for the CHUMPS
The hardware manufacturers have even *SAID* that Google wants the boot loaders locked:
Android is free. Google doesn't control the use of Android by telecoms and phone makers.
Google has enough to control to make sure all our boot loaders are encrypted and we get their video rental store rammed down our throats -and it updates itself regardless of what the tablet update settings are.
Motorola Xoom comes unlocked. Google buys Motorola. Xoom2 is locked.
I bought an unlocked tablet from Samsung who then two months later surprise locked it and installed Googles' Video Rental app. No explanation, not even an apology, unless you consider "Hey you fucked up. You trusted us" an apology. So I got a 500 paper weight sitting here, useless for the purpose it was purchased for. Will never buy Samsung again and neither will anyone I can influence.
In my opinion Google isn't just not helping they're actively going in the other direction.
Nope. There isn't anyone that won't try to have a rewarding career "because the government make sure they get a certain quality of life." If someone isn't trying to be successful in life "the government will take care of me" is certainly *never* the reason. Even the think tanks that spread this bullshit propaganda know it isn't true. No matter how many times it's repeated it still won't be true.
Anyone who buys a tablet that needs to be jailbroken or rooted is a sucker. What's special about a tablet that makes people think its okay to own only 90% of what you paid for?
That people have to scour forums for how-to instructions and downloads to get really basic shit running on devices they *PAID* for is ridiculous, and watching people drool over the opportunity to do so is depressing. Idiocracy becoming reality right in front of us.
If you can't install *ANY* OS you want natively, don't buy it.
Fanboys and apologists please don't reply to my post, you're fucking up my world and I don't want to talk to you. People like you are why laptops are going to be next and then in a few years high quality, open computers of any form will be a thing of the past.
Nope, not even close. There's an infinite amount of enjoyment in the world I try to soak in as much as I can. If you're somehow under the impression that hollywood produced block busters are the be-all and end-all of "enjoyment" then you do have a problem.
Wow you're a piece of work man, pretending you don't understand it's an all or nothing situation. As long as the majority continues to refuse DRM, current mainstream hardware will continue to be available 'unlocked'. If the "majority" accept locked hardware then locked hardware will soon be the only choice for.ever. Maybe you actually are that unaware/ignorant, but I doubt it, partly because of your uid. I think you're being dishonest.
You're missing the point entirely. DRM will only work when "they" control the hardware, and that's where this is heading. You supporting DRM is making a decision for me because the smart people are way out numbered by the chumps and that means "the market" is going to accept motherboards with locked boot loaders.
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Wow. What we've had (and loved) for decades is a clusterfuck. How enlightening. Don't complain about dependencies -why the hell would you want to choose your own system logger or cron daemon. Idiocy!
Also, no one reinvent anything ever okay? Unless your name is Lennart and you want to replace all that modularity and flexibility with one big thing.
Hey, lets have a registry while we're at it okay? /sarcasm
Language like yours typifies pretty much every pro systemd statement you can find.
Because RH did it, and that's all. Looked at from all technical perspectives systemd is a net loss for everyone except Lennarts ego. Politics and personality are driving systemd adoption, not any technical need.
Now matter how well Lennart implements systemd, it will always be a shitty idea.
It's bullshit based on twisted numbers, intended o get idiot wage earners to accept getting rid of it altogether.
The last thing that comes to mind when I think of fedora is "old UNIX thinking".
Yes, it is. The job of the ISP is to provide their paying customers access to 'TheInternet'. That is still the promise they make, and still their obligation. If they can't meet that obligation they should go do something else.
They are using publicly subsidized infrastructure on publicly owned land to seek rent on a network they are not investing in or improving. So fuck them.
Samsung is all over the xdeveloper forums. I complained about my bootloader being locked OTA and within hours there were dozens of haters on me. That kind of shit didn't happen with Transformer.
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There's already a lot of people who know puppet or chef but not much else (and think they know something). I think the trend is going to continue, ultimately spreading to the distro's themselves as they become less malleable, less flexible, with fewer differences between them (Hi Lennart). We'll have frameworks for frameworks. Linux will be Windows.
And then the trend will reverse. The current crop of 20-somethings will be in their 30's and "reinventing Unix".
Outside of the lkml the focus seems to be shifting to the "I have laptop/tablet and I'm at Starbucks" use case at the expense of people who actually have work with linux servers (that may belong to someone else and run somewhere else). Numerically we're in the minority now. (thanks Ubuntu)
For example: The RedHat ***Enterprise*** Linux installer assumes that my *server* is going to migrate from subnet to subnet and need it's network reconfigured automagically from time to time. How nice.
They address it by redefining in their own terms what network transparency means. That way they can deflect the issue with statements like this:
"X is Network Transparent.â Wrong. Its not.
###Network Transparency means that I can ssh -Y into *ANY* system and run *EVERY* gui application over the network without *ever* needing to install additional software.
Wayland developers and supporters consistently try to re-frame the discussion to imply that there is no issue and "we" are misinformed. It's like they're politicians behind a podium. Liars.
The people who live in Lansing Michigan are to blame for this. I was just looking at the Mike Rogers video on youtube and wishing he represented my district so I could vote against him.
Then I realized that I can still hate on everyone who lives in Lansing Michigan because Mike Rogers is ultimately *their fault*.
To put it another way, All of us need to hold the people of respective districts responsible for what their congressmen do.
Fuck You Lansing, CISPA is your fault so do something about it. Oh, and fuck Mike Rogers for thinking he's smarter than the average 14 year old.
Roger. It's not an oversight or a mistake on my part. I prefer to say it that way.
I also sometimes say "I give a damn" too.
Because that's the way how I roll.
I could care less about the security implications. Where's the link to the full key and source code?
This is what I thought people were talking about when I first started hearing the term "smart grid". When I discovered they really meant I was disappointed.
Mozilla always has the wrong answer. That's why the most popular extensions are ones that revert their stupid UI decisions.
I've always thought the AJAX code was intentionally terrible to force people to login and get a tolerable UI.
I don't think anyone likes the ajax crap and even though it's been complained about more than anything, it's still forced on us. So I doubt anyone is actually "listening to us".
Hollywood stepped off the moral high ground in 1998:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
Until we're back to where we were in 1997 the copyright lobby won't get a dime from me. I hope they all go bankrupt and I'll do anything I can to help that happen.
Dude, *everything* you've said is precisely supposition. And:
Motorola STOPPED locking boot loaders before the acquisition and then started again after.
Motorola XOOM: unlocked
Motorola XOOM2: locked.
If you don't know these two facts already then you completely lack the context to even discuss this. Or, you're not playing straight. Either way, take away your point.
Why shouldn't the guy from ASUS get the benefit of the doubt? Because it doesn't fit with your view? Maybe he's right you're wrong*. Subjective, take away your point.
That fact that Google will not allow you to use Google video with a rooted tablet adds something ( a connection ! ) to the *correlation* of locked boot loader and Google Video. Correlation is not causation but neither is it meaningless. Take away your point.
Motive and incentive don't matter anymore? When did that happen? This is exactly the kind of debate that has a place for motive.
Finally, the situation isn't as straightforward as "google directs manufacturers to lock boot loaders." It is
1)Google tells manufacturers that to access Google Video the device must not be root and it must support Google DRM.
2)The least expensive route for the manufacturers is is to implement the boot loader encryption already provided by the chip.
3)Google DRM is not actually secure without hardware support. Without it Google Video cannot be 100% certain a device is rooted or unrooted. See this thread:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/02/23/2046209/proposed-video-copy-protection-scheme-for-html5-raises-w3c-ire
*Let me explain it another way. Google DRM is insecure without hardware encryption. Google DRM is required for Google Video. Google is knowingly encouraging hardware encryption in a way that allows them to say "We don't dictate..." It's a kind of lie as far as I'm concerned.
Wrong!
1)We have a few hand sets that are NEVER intended to take a sizable percentage of the market but ARE intended to help manufacturers design better products and work closer with Google.
Are you claiming that Googles official position is that boot loaders should be unencrypted? As far as I know no one from Google has made such an official statement. So actually on the one hand we have your opinion and the other we have:
1)Hand sets that are NEVER intended to take a sizable percentage of the market but ARE intended to help manufacturers design better products and work closer with Google.
2)Samsung sells tablets with unlocked boot loaders and then in the *same* update locks it and installs Google Video. They apparently go together.
3)An ASUS *official* says that the boot loader is encrypted to support Google DRM.
4)Motorola's new products since Google purchased them have locked boot loaders. They refuse to explain why they just refer people to a dead end support site.
5)Simple logic. Google stands to take in billions through Google Video and other store fronts via the Android Market. Google Video goes nowhere if Hollywood isn't satisfied the the DRM. Google lets manufacturers know that if they want support from Google they have to support Google DRM --which means LOCKED BOOT LOADERS.
6)Google has not and will not make an official statement regarding their position on the encryption of boot loaders. They will NEVER take a firm stance on this one way or the other. This, all by itself says everything you need to know.
There will be an unlocked tablet here and there. Just enough to give the apologist some ammo. There may even be an increase of the Asus model where they make you jump through a few hoops and you can own your tablet. But the vast majority of hardware (because most of the population is made up of apathetic chumps) will be locked down ultimately because Google wants it that way. They are *not* the good guys here. There are huge financial incentives for them to encourage lock down.
Don't EVEN trot out the the tired Nexus example. Nexus is a limited release that was only launced to promote the Android exosystem so there would be more Android phones and tablets that will come with encrypted boot loaders, google drm, google video rentals, etc. Walled Garden for the CHUMPS
The hardware manufacturers have even *SAID* that Google wants the boot loaders locked:
http://gadgetorama.com/2012/01/asus-responds-to-transformer-prime-gps-and-bootloader-complaints/
"Anonymous" source from Samsung said they would only lock boot loaders if Google wants them locked.
Android is free. Google doesn't control the use of Android by telecoms and phone makers.
Google has enough to control to make sure all our boot loaders are encrypted and we get their video rental store rammed down our throats -and it updates itself regardless of what the tablet update settings are.
Motorola Xoom comes unlocked. Google buys Motorola. Xoom2 is locked.
I bought an unlocked tablet from Samsung who then two months later surprise locked it and installed Googles' Video Rental app. No explanation, not even an apology, unless you consider "Hey you fucked up. You trusted us" an apology. So I got a 500 paper weight sitting here, useless for the purpose it was purchased for. Will never buy Samsung again and neither will anyone I can influence.
In my opinion Google isn't just not helping they're actively going in the other direction.
Nope. There isn't anyone that won't try to have a rewarding career "because the government make sure they get a certain quality of life." If someone isn't trying to be successful in life "the government will take care of me" is certainly *never* the reason. Even the think tanks that spread this bullshit propaganda know it isn't true. No matter how many times it's repeated it still won't be true.
Anyone who buys a tablet that needs to be jailbroken or rooted is a sucker. What's special about a tablet that makes people think its okay to own only 90% of what you paid for?
That people have to scour forums for how-to instructions and downloads to get really basic shit running on devices they *PAID* for is ridiculous, and watching people drool over the opportunity to do so is depressing. Idiocracy becoming reality right in front of us.
If you can't install *ANY* OS you want natively, don't buy it.
Fanboys and apologists please don't reply to my post, you're fucking up my world and I don't want to talk to you. People like you are why laptops are going to be next and then in a few years high quality, open computers of any form will be a thing of the past.
Nope, not even close. There's an infinite amount of enjoyment in the world I try to soak in as much as I can. If you're somehow under the impression that hollywood produced block busters are the be-all and end-all of "enjoyment" then you do have a problem.
Wow you're a piece of work man, pretending you don't understand it's an all or nothing situation. As long as the majority continues to refuse DRM, current mainstream hardware will continue to be available 'unlocked'. If the "majority" accept locked hardware then locked hardware will soon be the only choice for.ever. Maybe you actually are that unaware/ignorant, but I doubt it, partly because of your uid. I think you're being dishonest.
You're missing the point entirely. DRM will only work when "they" control the hardware, and that's where this is heading. You supporting DRM is making a decision for me because the smart people are way out numbered by the chumps and that means "the market" is going to accept motherboards with locked boot loaders.