Speak for yourself. I got into IT because I loved the work. I'd be happy to do the work still if the jobs still existed. That's why I hate IT right now. Long hours, lower pay, no jobs. Great combination.
No, I got into it because it was fun. It became less fun when the demands became greater, when they threatened to move our jobs overseas if we didn't work 60 hour weeks and then laid us off eventually anyway, only to find that there aren't any jobs left to make a soft landing to. THAT is why I hate IT now. I like the work. Just too bad the jobs aren't there any more and if they are they feel they have the right to abuse you for lower and lower wages.
I actually quit my job because I got tired of this. I was working a decent tech job (wage-wise and in terms of the kind of work), but the hours were insane. Some weeks we were working 70 hours. Everyone was working at least 60 many weeks. I was one of the few who refused towork 60 hours regularly, because I have health conditions (sleep apnea and insomnia) that make it quite difficult to work those kinds of hours, without some kind of sane routine, some exercise, etc. I finally had it and left. My health and my life are more important than my job.
I mean, they want to have their cake and they want to eat it too. They want someone to be available 24/7 in case of a server problem, but to not be available 24/7 by loved ones, friends, etc. That's absurdity. I would say those issues are intertwined. If they don't want you to have a personal cell or to make personal calls on a work cell, then I guess that means when you leave work whatever happens happens. It's bad enough these companies expect us to work off hours so much anyway, so that seems like the answer. I punch out at 5, and it doesn't matter if the server goes down. In exchange, I'll leave my cell phone in my car. Deal.
Two things. First off, as someone who can be very productive with pico or ajunta or something very thin like that I do think it's quite silly to ramble on and on and on about how much more productive Visual Studio makes you. Great, it makes you code a *little* bit faster. I'm actually learning how code-behind works and I'm actually learning how these things all tie together, rather than programming web pages like a Visual Basic drone.
Secondly, I may not be doing enterprise apps if I'm ONLY doing mySQL + ASP.NET, but that's still learning C#. It's still learning ASP.NET. I'm still learning the language a large portion of the framework. Intellisense, integrated debugging, connecting to Oracle 9i databases is great. All well and good. I've already been there, done that with Java. Have you? "Until you've worked with THAT you just have NO IDEA" to quote you.
But I wanted to branch out. So I checked out Mono and it works well. Your superiority complex over having access to a hand-holding IDE is frankly something you should be embarrased about. Kudos to you. Want a cookie? Because I don't really care if you consider what I'm doing to be low-level ASP.NET coding or not "real" C# coding. I'm learning the language and I already have enterprise experience from my days as a Java/J2EE/Oracle developer. I don't need experience with Visual Studio to learn the language and the framework and I certainly don't need it to validate my street cred as a developer in general.
Yayyyyy, you've got a debugger and intellisense. You're a faster C# coder than me. I'm actually learning the framework, though, which is what I was talking about. Not pure productivity.
This is exactly the point. I'm a Java developer and I wanted to learn some C# and ASP.NET. Didn't really want to go buy Windows to do it, though. So I installed Mono and next thing you know I can do 99% of what I want and need to do to learn ASP.NET and move the files directly over to a Windows server running ASP.NET and they work fine. So THAT is the major benefit of this project to me. I can do ASP.NET programming and do it on Linux.
"Personal income is rising"? Is this an average. If it is then you have to take into account the disparity between the personal income of most Americans that DO work in service level jobs and the personal income of the upper crust that make hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions per year. Average that out and I'm sure personal income is rising. But the gap between the rich and the poor is rising, the middle class is shrinking. So you aren't throwing water on anything. You're only proving yourself to be a fool and an apologist for a sick economy that is stratifying itself into two classes of people. Hyper-wealthy and poor.
I'm not going to walk into a bank and get a loan because I already have $60,000 in student loans between my wife and I to pay off. Not to mention a mortgage. I need LESS debt, not more debt.
And, once again, it's easy to say what you're saying about living off credit, etc. etc. when you're not in my shoes. Were your options milk cows and live in poverty or take loans and go to school? If they were I'm listening. Otherwise I really don't care what you think, because I really had no choice. I did the best I could with the hand I was dealt. End of story.
I don't understand your point. It makes no sense. I understand that there's no entitlement to jobs in this country or any country. I understand that I'm as entitled to a job as a caveman is to a meal, but isn't America supposed to be better than that? Aren't we supposed to be about opportunity and giving people chances to prove themselves? So when I say expect, I mean that I expect better from this country and the people that run it (the corps, the politicians). I expect that they understand that for this country to thrive there has to be a decent number of middle class jobs for qualified Americans. That not everyone is going to be a nuclear-physicist or start their own company. It's not only not practical, it's stupid. There has to be a middle class and there has to be some middle class jobs and on that level I expect it.
Will I scrap and fight to get by? Sure. Am I upgrading my skills as we speak? Damn right. But if there isn't a job to be had, there isn't much I can do about it aside from taking what's available. And if you don't understand what's wrong with this, then that proves my earlier point that it's easy to say when you have money, when you have good fortune. Not so easy when you're scrapping and fighting and working hard to make a life for yourself.
What I can't get over is this idea that one can choose poorly at 18 years old. I don't really think I had a choice. I grew up in a podunk little town, where there were no options and education seemed the only way out. I picked the wrong field in that I didn't study something like nursing, but I don't fault that 18 year old kid for making a bad choice. I made the best choice I could, given what I knew. I am sucking it up and moving on, but I refuse to get beat up over a decision whose merit is based solely on the whim of how the economy turned. You didn't choose right. Your cousin didn't choose wrong. One of you just got lucky.
Yes. There are more jobs. In the service industry. Where do you think most of the out of work auto-workers, factory workers, steel-workers, etc. retooled to? Some went to school. Some doubtless made careers. And some went into the service industry. If there are a finite number of high-paying jobs and that finite number is shrinking then logic dictates that even though jobs may not be shrinking people are being more and more pushed into lower-paying jobs.
So everyone is going to own their own company. How's that going to work out? I'm not whining for the record, I'm responding to people like you who think that there are simple solutions to what is a complex issue. Complex for everyone. I will, now that I'm out of work, probably start trying to make my own way. But 9 out of 10 ventures like that fail. The world is divided into large employers and that's where the jobs are by and large. That's just a fact of life. When you want software are you going to go to Microsoft or MikeRoweSoft? Probably Microsoft, thus that's where you look for jobs. Or Intel. Or.... etc. Looking for work the traditional way doesn't make one a whiner. If the 21st century is to be marked by every person in the country having to start their own company then we're really screwed.
Make it? So everyone (while broke and paying bills and feeding their families) is supposed to start their own companies? The fact is that existing companies have to hire. If they don't hire, there are no jobs. I opened the paper. I applied for the sum total of 10 jobs available in my field. Now what? Run around wearing a sandwhich board with my resume on it?
Listen to what you're saying. "responsibility for your choices"????? I accept responsibility for my life, but I don't see what you're getting at.
What choice did I make that was wrong? To go to college? To try to make my life better? To work hard to try to get out of poverty? I did everything that made sense. I made good choices. And largely my life (and the life of my family, because I have been able to help my extended family as well) has been better for it. The problem is that the jobs are going away. That's no my responsibility. I'm not making the jobs go away.
By the way, it's not always the "bad" workers who get laid off or lose their jobs. You do know that, right? Sometimes you get laid off or lose your job even if you're a great worker. But, per usual in discussions like this, those that have feel free to throw stones at those that don't. That's just immature. I say immature, because someone with a mature understanding of life would know that situations vary from person to person. You say I have "*not* done that", but based on what knowledge? What facts? Nothing. But yet you feel free to judge. Does that make you feel better? Feel superior? Grow up.
And how have I made bad choices? By going to college? I don't understand your "logic".
No one deserves anything? That's a bleak outlook on the world. I believe the capitalist ideal is that you work hard, you do what is required of you and you're rewarded. That's how it used to work. So when I say deserve I mean that I'm willing and able to do good work if there was a job to be found. That doesn't make me a whiner, it makes me an idealist, if anything. Someone who believes in a merit-based system where you do deserve to be treated well when you work hard.
So the alternative to that is a darwinian dystopia where it's either kill or be killed essentially? Is that what the world is coming to? Maybe I do need to grow up if that's the reality. I'd like to hold onto a little bit of my idealism, first, though.
You wouldn't hire me because...? Because I expect there to be some jobs here for us? I'm not saying my perfect job or *the* job, just *A* job. That's a bad attitude? To expect *A* job above Burger King fry cook when I've worked hard to build skills that are marketable?
Remember, it's always easy to say things like you're saying when you're on the other side of the fence. When you don't have student loans to pay or have a job and live in a state where tech jobs are non-existent. It's always easy to throw stones then.
This just isn't true, though. It's not like prices got MUCH lower and THEN the products started getting made in 3rd world countries. This has been going on for some time now. The prices have gone slightly down, but Air Jordans still cost what Air Jordans do. Basketball shoes in general still cost what they do. What's changed is (A) there's no alternative and (B) the execs are making more money. I could have the same shoes from the same company and they could pay a living wage whether here or overseas. It's greed at the top that prevents them from doing so. That and the fact that they're publicly traded, so profits are everything, even when it means hollowing out the middle class and exploiting the poor.
I actually tried this once. I decided I was going to start buying all my clothes from the US or from countries I knew to be above-board with regards to labor laws, wages, etc. I literally spent 4 hours in the mall and I couldn't find but 2 shirts I could purchase. So to the earlier poster who seems to think it's OUR fault. Sorry. It's not. Nike could sell shoes at the same price and pay someone in the US OR in a 3rd world nation a VERY good wage to make said shoes. Problem is, they then couldn't pay Lebron James $40 million or whatever. Executives couldn't take home millions. Shareholders wouldn't get millions. Phil Knight would have to take a more pedestrian salary. That's the problem. The company, not the consumer. I'd love to buy American. Where can I start?
Actually, the next bit of advice they're handing out is to go learn a new school. So we're supposed to go back to school, unemployed, go in debt another X grand and learn a totally different and even MORE high tech career. When does that end? When we're all $1million in debt and we're all astro-physicists, biochemists and nanotechnologists? I don't think the entire country can work in these three fields. I think there have to be middle class jobs for those of us who can't afford to completely start our entire lives over every 5 years. Otherwise, this nation is going to get flushed down the toilet.
Apparantly you're a sucker if you bought into the American dream in any way shape or form. We're supposed to suck it up, play the Darwin game to the hilt, step on everyone we can, have no life, never stop to smell the roses. This is America? If so, I want out.
That's the funny thing about people like you. You like to insult, because you assume your situation is the benchmark. Or you assume you know what other people have been through so you feel free to judge them. So then we have to tell our life stories to explain things to you.
I went to school for 4 years, private school. Cost $25,000 a year. It was either that or go to state school in Idaho. Maybe I should have chosen state school in Idaho, but given the crappy high school education I received I assumed (and correctly I might add) that the value of the knowledge gained from the challenge of the private college would be worth it.
When school is that expensive, loans are going to be plentiful. And they aren't always going to cover everything. So you work. And no, I didn't work 40 hours a week the entire 4 years. Only the last 3. I did work-study the first year and barely got by. So I took a "real" job. Problem is, when you take a "real" job, they sometimes take away your grants, sometimes even your Pell Grant, because then you make too much money. So you keep working and plugging away and eventually you earn your way.
That's my story. Shouldn't have had to tell it, but there it is. Life isn't always as simple as you'd like to make it. My life story isn't a method hanging off me, an instance of a human object. It's real. And in real life stuff happens. Sometimes you lose grants and have to earn the money yourself. Sometimes you have to earn money to pay for your parents because one parent is blind and the other one makes a teacher's wage. Either way, the point is that you shouldn't have to know all this.
Just trust me when I say that I worked my way through school AND I had to take out loans. I'd love it if it went some other way, but once you're 2 years into a private education and your options are $15,000, half an education and no piece of paper or $30,000, a full education and the diploma, you go full tilt. You roll the dice and hope for the best. In my case I've come up snake eyes right now, but that doesn't invalidate the path I took or the choices I made. I did what I had to do. And if you were in my shoes you'd understand, but you aren't. So you can make assumptions, call me names, whatever makes you feel better than me or whatever makes you feel good.
Not sure what you mean. I define success by getting to do a job that pays me a reasonable wage for doing good work and allows me to pay my bills.
I define deserve by the fact that I've earned a resume and skills that prove I can do the job. The jobs just aren't here. Not my fault that America is more expensive than India. I would gladly take less pay if I could have my expenses lowered by an equal percentage.
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Speak for yourself. I got into IT because I loved the work. I'd be happy to do the work still if the jobs still existed. That's why I hate IT right now. Long hours, lower pay, no jobs. Great combination.
No, I got into it because it was fun. It became less fun when the demands became greater, when they threatened to move our jobs overseas if we didn't work 60 hour weeks and then laid us off eventually anyway, only to find that there aren't any jobs left to make a soft landing to. THAT is why I hate IT now. I like the work. Just too bad the jobs aren't there any more and if they are they feel they have the right to abuse you for lower and lower wages.
I actually quit my job because I got tired of this. I was working a decent tech job (wage-wise and in terms of the kind of work), but the hours were insane. Some weeks we were working 70 hours. Everyone was working at least 60 many weeks. I was one of the few who refused towork 60 hours regularly, because I have health conditions (sleep apnea and insomnia) that make it quite difficult to work those kinds of hours, without some kind of sane routine, some exercise, etc. I finally had it and left. My health and my life are more important than my job.
I mean, they want to have their cake and they want to eat it too. They want someone to be available 24/7 in case of a server problem, but to not be available 24/7 by loved ones, friends, etc. That's absurdity. I would say those issues are intertwined. If they don't want you to have a personal cell or to make personal calls on a work cell, then I guess that means when you leave work whatever happens happens. It's bad enough these companies expect us to work off hours so much anyway, so that seems like the answer. I punch out at 5, and it doesn't matter if the server goes down. In exchange, I'll leave my cell phone in my car. Deal.
Two things. First off, as someone who can be very productive with pico or ajunta or something very thin like that I do think it's quite silly to ramble on and on and on about how much more productive Visual Studio makes you. Great, it makes you code a *little* bit faster. I'm actually learning how code-behind works and I'm actually learning how these things all tie together, rather than programming web pages like a Visual Basic drone.
Secondly, I may not be doing enterprise apps if I'm ONLY doing mySQL + ASP.NET, but that's still learning C#. It's still learning ASP.NET. I'm still learning the language a large portion of the framework. Intellisense, integrated debugging, connecting to Oracle 9i databases is great. All well and good. I've already been there, done that with Java. Have you? "Until you've worked with THAT you just have NO IDEA" to quote you.
But I wanted to branch out. So I checked out Mono and it works well. Your superiority complex over having access to a hand-holding IDE is frankly something you should be embarrased about. Kudos to you. Want a cookie? Because I don't really care if you consider what I'm doing to be low-level ASP.NET coding or not "real" C# coding. I'm learning the language and I already have enterprise experience from my days as a Java/J2EE/Oracle developer. I don't need experience with Visual Studio to learn the language and the framework and I certainly don't need it to validate my street cred as a developer in general.
Yayyyyy, you've got a debugger and intellisense. You're a faster C# coder than me. I'm actually learning the framework, though, which is what I was talking about. Not pure productivity.
This is exactly the point. I'm a Java developer and I wanted to learn some C# and ASP.NET. Didn't really want to go buy Windows to do it, though. So I installed Mono and next thing you know I can do 99% of what I want and need to do to learn ASP.NET and move the files directly over to a Windows server running ASP.NET and they work fine. So THAT is the major benefit of this project to me. I can do ASP.NET programming and do it on Linux.
You're right. This is a bad dream. But it's real life. Putting spin on it, doesn't change it. Have fun in fantasy land.
I think you're right. My big mistake is in responding. But this is a sore spot for me right now.
"Personal income is rising"? Is this an average. If it is then you have to take into account the disparity between the personal income of most Americans that DO work in service level jobs and the personal income of the upper crust that make hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions per year. Average that out and I'm sure personal income is rising. But the gap between the rich and the poor is rising, the middle class is shrinking. So you aren't throwing water on anything. You're only proving yourself to be a fool and an apologist for a sick economy that is stratifying itself into two classes of people. Hyper-wealthy and poor.
I'm not going to walk into a bank and get a loan because I already have $60,000 in student loans between my wife and I to pay off. Not to mention a mortgage. I need LESS debt, not more debt.
And, once again, it's easy to say what you're saying about living off credit, etc. etc. when you're not in my shoes. Were your options milk cows and live in poverty or take loans and go to school? If they were I'm listening. Otherwise I really don't care what you think, because I really had no choice. I did the best I could with the hand I was dealt. End of story.
I don't understand your point. It makes no sense. I understand that there's no entitlement to jobs in this country or any country. I understand that I'm as entitled to a job as a caveman is to a meal, but isn't America supposed to be better than that? Aren't we supposed to be about opportunity and giving people chances to prove themselves? So when I say expect, I mean that I expect better from this country and the people that run it (the corps, the politicians). I expect that they understand that for this country to thrive there has to be a decent number of middle class jobs for qualified Americans. That not everyone is going to be a nuclear-physicist or start their own company. It's not only not practical, it's stupid. There has to be a middle class and there has to be some middle class jobs and on that level I expect it.
Will I scrap and fight to get by? Sure. Am I upgrading my skills as we speak? Damn right. But if there isn't a job to be had, there isn't much I can do about it aside from taking what's available. And if you don't understand what's wrong with this, then that proves my earlier point that it's easy to say when you have money, when you have good fortune. Not so easy when you're scrapping and fighting and working hard to make a life for yourself.
What I can't get over is this idea that one can choose poorly at 18 years old. I don't really think I had a choice. I grew up in a podunk little town, where there were no options and education seemed the only way out. I picked the wrong field in that I didn't study something like nursing, but I don't fault that 18 year old kid for making a bad choice. I made the best choice I could, given what I knew. I am sucking it up and moving on, but I refuse to get beat up over a decision whose merit is based solely on the whim of how the economy turned. You didn't choose right. Your cousin didn't choose wrong. One of you just got lucky.
Yes. There are more jobs. In the service industry. Where do you think most of the out of work auto-workers, factory workers, steel-workers, etc. retooled to? Some went to school. Some doubtless made careers. And some went into the service industry. If there are a finite number of high-paying jobs and that finite number is shrinking then logic dictates that even though jobs may not be shrinking people are being more and more pushed into lower-paying jobs.
So everyone is going to own their own company. How's that going to work out? I'm not whining for the record, I'm responding to people like you who think that there are simple solutions to what is a complex issue. Complex for everyone. I will, now that I'm out of work, probably start trying to make my own way. But 9 out of 10 ventures like that fail. The world is divided into large employers and that's where the jobs are by and large. That's just a fact of life. When you want software are you going to go to Microsoft or MikeRoweSoft? Probably Microsoft, thus that's where you look for jobs. Or Intel. Or.... etc. Looking for work the traditional way doesn't make one a whiner. If the 21st century is to be marked by every person in the country having to start their own company then we're really screwed.
Make it? So everyone (while broke and paying bills and feeding their families) is supposed to start their own companies? The fact is that existing companies have to hire. If they don't hire, there are no jobs. I opened the paper. I applied for the sum total of 10 jobs available in my field. Now what? Run around wearing a sandwhich board with my resume on it?
Listen to what you're saying. "responsibility for your choices"????? I accept responsibility for my life, but I don't see what you're getting at.
What choice did I make that was wrong? To go to college? To try to make my life better? To work hard to try to get out of poverty? I did everything that made sense. I made good choices. And largely my life (and the life of my family, because I have been able to help my extended family as well) has been better for it. The problem is that the jobs are going away. That's no my responsibility. I'm not making the jobs go away.
By the way, it's not always the "bad" workers who get laid off or lose their jobs. You do know that, right? Sometimes you get laid off or lose your job even if you're a great worker. But, per usual in discussions like this, those that have feel free to throw stones at those that don't. That's just immature. I say immature, because someone with a mature understanding of life would know that situations vary from person to person. You say I have "*not* done that", but based on what knowledge? What facts? Nothing. But yet you feel free to judge. Does that make you feel better? Feel superior? Grow up.
And how have I made bad choices? By going to college? I don't understand your "logic".
No one deserves anything? That's a bleak outlook on the world. I believe the capitalist ideal is that you work hard, you do what is required of you and you're rewarded. That's how it used to work. So when I say deserve I mean that I'm willing and able to do good work if there was a job to be found. That doesn't make me a whiner, it makes me an idealist, if anything. Someone who believes in a merit-based system where you do deserve to be treated well when you work hard.
So the alternative to that is a darwinian dystopia where it's either kill or be killed essentially? Is that what the world is coming to? Maybe I do need to grow up if that's the reality. I'd like to hold onto a little bit of my idealism, first, though.
You wouldn't hire me because...? Because I expect there to be some jobs here for us? I'm not saying my perfect job or *the* job, just *A* job. That's a bad attitude? To expect *A* job above Burger King fry cook when I've worked hard to build skills that are marketable?
Remember, it's always easy to say things like you're saying when you're on the other side of the fence. When you don't have student loans to pay or have a job and live in a state where tech jobs are non-existent. It's always easy to throw stones then.
This just isn't true, though. It's not like prices got MUCH lower and THEN the products started getting made in 3rd world countries. This has been going on for some time now. The prices have gone slightly down, but Air Jordans still cost what Air Jordans do. Basketball shoes in general still cost what they do. What's changed is (A) there's no alternative and (B) the execs are making more money. I could have the same shoes from the same company and they could pay a living wage whether here or overseas. It's greed at the top that prevents them from doing so. That and the fact that they're publicly traded, so profits are everything, even when it means hollowing out the middle class and exploiting the poor.
I actually tried this once. I decided I was going to start buying all my clothes from the US or from countries I knew to be above-board with regards to labor laws, wages, etc. I literally spent 4 hours in the mall and I couldn't find but 2 shirts I could purchase. So to the earlier poster who seems to think it's OUR fault. Sorry. It's not. Nike could sell shoes at the same price and pay someone in the US OR in a 3rd world nation a VERY good wage to make said shoes. Problem is, they then couldn't pay Lebron James $40 million or whatever. Executives couldn't take home millions. Shareholders wouldn't get millions. Phil Knight would have to take a more pedestrian salary. That's the problem. The company, not the consumer. I'd love to buy American. Where can I start?
Actually, the next bit of advice they're handing out is to go learn a new school. So we're supposed to go back to school, unemployed, go in debt another X grand and learn a totally different and even MORE high tech career. When does that end? When we're all $1million in debt and we're all astro-physicists, biochemists and nanotechnologists? I don't think the entire country can work in these three fields. I think there have to be middle class jobs for those of us who can't afford to completely start our entire lives over every 5 years. Otherwise, this nation is going to get flushed down the toilet.
Apparantly you're a sucker if you bought into the American dream in any way shape or form. We're supposed to suck it up, play the Darwin game to the hilt, step on everyone we can, have no life, never stop to smell the roses. This is America? If so, I want out.
That's the funny thing about people like you. You like to insult, because you assume your situation is the benchmark. Or you assume you know what other people have been through so you feel free to judge them. So then we have to tell our life stories to explain things to you.
I went to school for 4 years, private school. Cost $25,000 a year. It was either that or go to state school in Idaho. Maybe I should have chosen state school in Idaho, but given the crappy high school education I received I assumed (and correctly I might add) that the value of the knowledge gained from the challenge of the private college would be worth it.
When school is that expensive, loans are going to be plentiful. And they aren't always going to cover everything. So you work. And no, I didn't work 40 hours a week the entire 4 years. Only the last 3. I did work-study the first year and barely got by. So I took a "real" job. Problem is, when you take a "real" job, they sometimes take away your grants, sometimes even your Pell Grant, because then you make too much money. So you keep working and plugging away and eventually you earn your way.
That's my story. Shouldn't have had to tell it, but there it is. Life isn't always as simple as you'd like to make it. My life story isn't a method hanging off me, an instance of a human object. It's real. And in real life stuff happens. Sometimes you lose grants and have to earn the money yourself. Sometimes you have to earn money to pay for your parents because one parent is blind and the other one makes a teacher's wage. Either way, the point is that you shouldn't have to know all this.
Just trust me when I say that I worked my way through school AND I had to take out loans. I'd love it if it went some other way, but once you're 2 years into a private education and your options are $15,000, half an education and no piece of paper or $30,000, a full education and the diploma, you go full tilt. You roll the dice and hope for the best. In my case I've come up snake eyes right now, but that doesn't invalidate the path I took or the choices I made. I did what I had to do. And if you were in my shoes you'd understand, but you aren't. So you can make assumptions, call me names, whatever makes you feel better than me or whatever makes you feel good.
Not sure what you mean. I define success by getting to do a job that pays me a reasonable wage for doing good work and allows me to pay my bills.
I define deserve by the fact that I've earned a resume and skills that prove I can do the job. The jobs just aren't here. Not my fault that America is more expensive than India. I would gladly take less pay if I could have my expenses lowered by an equal percentage.