My computer at home, self built, cost like $700 total and it's a powerhouse compared to most PowerMacs. My new laptop is a cheap POS. $550 after rebates, but it can run a database server, Eclipse, a web server, play MP3s, DVDs, burn CDs, connect to wireless APs, etc.
I'm doing this all with Linux, too.
The point? Some of us buy commodity hardware because it's just cheaper. And if we have to replace it eventually we just replace it. In the end that costs less. Or we kick down old hardware to brothers, parents, etc.
All Apple is doing with this action is ensuring I never buy a powerbook. If they were a little less Microsfty-evil I'd consider them. And if they sold OSX for my commodity hardware I'd pay upwards of $200 for that OS.
But instead this is the route they've chosen. Good thing I'm used to and like Linux.
Rule #1 if you can't discourse like an adult. Call someone a troll and label what they say flamebait.
I have tried FreeBSD. I used it as a primary desktop OS for about 8 months. Back around 4.6. Back then large parts of Java didn't work correctly because of issues with threading. So you couldn't run Java natively, you had to run it via the Linux layer. That's not good enough for me. And that's the crux of my problem with it at the time. Maybe it's gotten better since then, but last time I checked it hadn't.
Secondly, I'm aware of packages. Packages aren't always as up to date and current, though, unfortunately.
The killer for me was installing OpenOffice from ports. Talk about painful. Between that and the lack of Java support, I didn't last long on FreeBSD. Nice idea. Pretty nice kernel (minus the threading issues). But overall not for me.
I'd love to use FreeBSD, but then there's that whole messy Java issue. In other words that it's not supported for, nor does it run well on FreeBSD last time I checked. Partly because of the threading model of FreeBSD. I'm not sure if that's changed, but as a Java developer this made FreeBSD a non-starter for me.
I used SuSE for 3 years. And most of what you say is true. However, with 9.3 they started using Beta versions of some very important software (like OpenOffice). I, personally, saw the writing on the wall and switched over to CentOS. I think it's MUCH better than SuSE, personally and I really liked SuSE.
In all fairness this is partly the fault of Sun and the OO.o team for making the ENTIRE OpenOffice project so heavily dependent on Java, just to have an "access-like" tool. They should either open-source Java under an LGPL license or something or they should have reconsidered that decision on what to use to develop the database program
This is why I switched to CentOS. If no one is going to LET me pay for a well-supported professional OS that isn't Enterprise cost, then I'll just use the free rebuild. I was a SuSE user for 2 years and then I saw the writing on the wall. Looks like I was right.
I agree. However, if this passes I just turn off my TV. I take a hammer to the screen and turn my Tivo into a file server (assuming I can figure that out) and then they don't get me watching their ads any longer.
No, that's called making choices. We'd rather have the freedom to move wherever we want to move, take whatever job we want to take and do whatever we want to do with our lives without being tied down with children and a mortgage. Nothng soul destroying about that. In fact, it's a great way to live for some people. Just because it's not your choice, don't belittle it.
I assume you're being sarcastic about the last part. "Life" being overrated, I mean. There isn't enough time in the day for all I want to do. Travel, write, spend time with my wife, cycle, play video games, run races. The day could be twice as long and I'd still find ways to fill it.
Also, hate is a relative term. I don't go into my programming jobs jumping and clicking my heals together with joy. But I like the work. I'm still doing work I like. And the day I have to make the choice that would force me out of doing work I enjoy is the day I go find other work I enjoy, regardless of pay.
Once again, you're saying that to be a grown up one has to accept working at a job they hate? I beg to differ. I prefer to fashion my life in such a manner that if things take a turn for the worse I can continue enjoying my life. I only get one chance at this, living, I mean. I think it's the height of stupidity to claim that true adulthood is only attained once you realize you have to accept doing work you hate or else you deserve derision. I plan to enjoy my life. Even if it means not making as much money. I may not retire rich. I may not have a plasma TV. I may only have one computer, no fancy PDA, but happiness can't be purchased.
Also, for the record. Cussing at someone and making condescending remarks about how they're not an adult simply because they want to enjoy their work... that's the true hallmark of a grown-up.
So in this "real world" you speak of (which you're assuming I know nothing about, not knowing me, my background or what I've been through in my life) it's not possible to have a job you enjoy? So I was right, then, in my initial post. Take a job you hate that makes money instead of one you enjoy.
I'm sorry, but when I can no longer find contracts to program is when I go become a bicycle messenger or work at a zoo or something. That's why my wife and I aren't having children, don't have a mortgage and are paying off our debts like crazy. Because if the bottom falls out someday we want to still be happy, enjoy life and do something we enjoy, because that's what life is about. Not leaching on to whatever job is available no matter how boring and soulless it may be.
When you have a few billion people, half of which live in slums, I imagine finding "servants" isn't too difficult. That's the problem with us competing with India.
So the lesson is that you can't actually do something you enjoy? You have to go find some soul-sucking job like sales and spend the rest of your life travelling, giving PowerPoints and cold-calling people?
I think you're missing the point COMPLETELY. The point is that in the original trilogy (hereafter called the "Good Movies") Lucas often had his characters referring with reverance to the days of the Republic. Then, when he finally gets a chance to show the Republic in the prequels (hereafter called the "Bad Movies") it's boring and inept and corrupt and slow-witted. Frickin' Jar Jar Binks is a representative for God's sake.
The Jedi are a bunch of morons who take a known risk and put him with a Chancellor they don't trust. It's a mess. The point isn't that the Empire is good. The point is that in the Good Movies Lucas painted a much different picture of the Republic than he did in the Bad Movies. So by the time you get done with Revenge of the Sith you have no emotional investment in the downfall of the Republic and (by proxy) less emotional investment in the return of the Republic should the Rebellion beat the Empire.
That's where Lucas really screwed the pooch with the Bad Movies. He made the Republic look so poorly run and catastrophically stupid that it took a lot of the emotional punch away from the Good Movies.
Thus some of us just pretend like the Bad Movies never happened. Kind of like pretending there was only the first Matrix movie.
Right. Unless I can load OS X on my personal home-built PC, I don't see the threat. There may be a threat in terms of Red Hat or SuSE, but Linux will survive just fine. It was around before it was being bankrolled by those companies and it will be around afterwords, because there will always be people who want a free alternative to either Windows or OS X.
Mod parent up. This is obvious what has taken place in the Linux community. And it's questionable, actually, whether it's a "problem" or just the situation as it stands.
Dude, I feel your pain. Well, not in the sense that I own one of these pieces of crap. But in the sense that I tried to go shopping for a new Palm when my m130 kicked the bucket and I COULD NOT find a Palm anywhere in any store in the city I live (Portland, Or.) where the higher end models didn't have this screen whine problem. I tried. I went to every store imaginable. Best Buy, CompUSA, Frys, Office Depot, Staples and every single Palm had this problem. I thought, after I read about it online, that there was no way the problem was this bad and this extensive. Boy was I wrong. It's horrible, extremely extensive and very painful to the ears. I came to the sad conclusion that as bad as Palm's old hardware was, it was better than the absolute trash they're peddling now. So I bought a refurbed m130 from usedhandhelds.com and bought a $9 replacement battery off of eBay and now I'm good to go for a couple more years.
It's ridiculous, though, absolutely insane that the most popular PDA OS doesn't have a decent piece of hardware that you can buy off the store shelf. I almost switched to Pocket PC. I was *this* close. In the end I wanted to stick with something I knew I could sync with Linux easily. But I was so tempted to just give up on synching and get a Pocket PC and just treat it like a stand-alone portable computer.
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My computer at home, self built, cost like $700 total and it's a powerhouse compared to most PowerMacs. My new laptop is a cheap POS. $550 after rebates, but it can run a database server, Eclipse, a web server, play MP3s, DVDs, burn CDs, connect to wireless APs, etc.
I'm doing this all with Linux, too.
The point? Some of us buy commodity hardware because it's just cheaper. And if we have to replace it eventually we just replace it. In the end that costs less. Or we kick down old hardware to brothers, parents, etc.
All Apple is doing with this action is ensuring I never buy a powerbook. If they were a little less Microsfty-evil I'd consider them. And if they sold OSX for my commodity hardware I'd pay upwards of $200 for that OS.
But instead this is the route they've chosen. Good thing I'm used to and like Linux.
Rule #1 if you can't discourse like an adult. Call someone a troll and label what they say flamebait.
I have tried FreeBSD. I used it as a primary desktop OS for about 8 months. Back around 4.6. Back then large parts of Java didn't work correctly because of issues with threading. So you couldn't run Java natively, you had to run it via the Linux layer. That's not good enough for me. And that's the crux of my problem with it at the time. Maybe it's gotten better since then, but last time I checked it hadn't.
Secondly, I'm aware of packages. Packages aren't always as up to date and current, though, unfortunately.
The killer for me was installing OpenOffice from ports. Talk about painful. Between that and the lack of Java support, I didn't last long on FreeBSD. Nice idea. Pretty nice kernel (minus the threading issues). But overall not for me.
I'd love to use FreeBSD, but then there's that whole messy Java issue. In other words that it's not supported for, nor does it run well on FreeBSD last time I checked. Partly because of the threading model of FreeBSD. I'm not sure if that's changed, but as a Java developer this made FreeBSD a non-starter for me.
I used SuSE for 3 years. And most of what you say is true. However, with 9.3 they started using Beta versions of some very important software (like OpenOffice). I, personally, saw the writing on the wall and switched over to CentOS. I think it's MUCH better than SuSE, personally and I really liked SuSE.
In all fairness this is partly the fault of Sun and the OO.o team for making the ENTIRE OpenOffice project so heavily dependent on Java, just to have an "access-like" tool. They should either open-source Java under an LGPL license or something or they should have reconsidered that decision on what to use to develop the database program
This is why I switched to CentOS. If no one is going to LET me pay for a well-supported professional OS that isn't Enterprise cost, then I'll just use the free rebuild. I was a SuSE user for 2 years and then I saw the writing on the wall. Looks like I was right.
You could also start your own "Win a free iPod" pyramid scheme.
That's why years ago I stripped out KDE and replaced it with Gnome.
The biggest question is, will the "Doesn't look like garbage" library be available this time around?
I hate how QT Apps look.
I agree. However, if this passes I just turn off my TV. I take a hammer to the screen and turn my Tivo into a file server (assuming I can figure that out) and then they don't get me watching their ads any longer.
No, that's called making choices. We'd rather have the freedom to move wherever we want to move, take whatever job we want to take and do whatever we want to do with our lives without being tied down with children and a mortgage. Nothng soul destroying about that. In fact, it's a great way to live for some people. Just because it's not your choice, don't belittle it.
I assume you're being sarcastic about the last part. "Life" being overrated, I mean. There isn't enough time in the day for all I want to do. Travel, write, spend time with my wife, cycle, play video games, run races. The day could be twice as long and I'd still find ways to fill it.
Also, hate is a relative term. I don't go into my programming jobs jumping and clicking my heals together with joy. But I like the work. I'm still doing work I like. And the day I have to make the choice that would force me out of doing work I enjoy is the day I go find other work I enjoy, regardless of pay.
Once again, you're saying that to be a grown up one has to accept working at a job they hate? I beg to differ. I prefer to fashion my life in such a manner that if things take a turn for the worse I can continue enjoying my life. I only get one chance at this, living, I mean. I think it's the height of stupidity to claim that true adulthood is only attained once you realize you have to accept doing work you hate or else you deserve derision. I plan to enjoy my life. Even if it means not making as much money. I may not retire rich. I may not have a plasma TV. I may only have one computer, no fancy PDA, but happiness can't be purchased.
Also, for the record. Cussing at someone and making condescending remarks about how they're not an adult simply because they want to enjoy their work... that's the true hallmark of a grown-up.
I'd rather have a job I enjoy, regardless of the wage. But that's just me. I'm kooky like that.
Well, there are other options. They just don't pay what we (who are still programming) make currently.
So in this "real world" you speak of (which you're assuming I know nothing about, not knowing me, my background or what I've been through in my life) it's not possible to have a job you enjoy? So I was right, then, in my initial post. Take a job you hate that makes money instead of one you enjoy.
I'm sorry, but when I can no longer find contracts to program is when I go become a bicycle messenger or work at a zoo or something. That's why my wife and I aren't having children, don't have a mortgage and are paying off our debts like crazy. Because if the bottom falls out someday we want to still be happy, enjoy life and do something we enjoy, because that's what life is about. Not leaching on to whatever job is available no matter how boring and soulless it may be.
When you have a few billion people, half of which live in slums, I imagine finding "servants" isn't too difficult. That's the problem with us competing with India.
So the lesson is that you can't actually do something you enjoy? You have to go find some soul-sucking job like sales and spend the rest of your life travelling, giving PowerPoints and cold-calling people?
Great. Can we get any other options, please.
In Soviet Russia Studying BSA Piracy is deeply flawed.
I generally do. I find that Linux runs pretty well inside of emacs. Visa versa, not so good.
I think you're missing the point COMPLETELY. The point is that in the original trilogy (hereafter called the "Good Movies") Lucas often had his characters referring with reverance to the days of the Republic. Then, when he finally gets a chance to show the Republic in the prequels (hereafter called the "Bad Movies") it's boring and inept and corrupt and slow-witted. Frickin' Jar Jar Binks is a representative for God's sake.
The Jedi are a bunch of morons who take a known risk and put him with a Chancellor they don't trust. It's a mess. The point isn't that the Empire is good. The point is that in the Good Movies Lucas painted a much different picture of the Republic than he did in the Bad Movies. So by the time you get done with Revenge of the Sith you have no emotional investment in the downfall of the Republic and (by proxy) less emotional investment in the return of the Republic should the Rebellion beat the Empire.
That's where Lucas really screwed the pooch with the Bad Movies. He made the Republic look so poorly run and catastrophically stupid that it took a lot of the emotional punch away from the Good Movies.
Thus some of us just pretend like the Bad Movies never happened. Kind of like pretending there was only the first Matrix movie.
Right. Unless I can load OS X on my personal home-built PC, I don't see the threat. There may be a threat in terms of Red Hat or SuSE, but Linux will survive just fine. It was around before it was being bankrolled by those companies and it will be around afterwords, because there will always be people who want a free alternative to either Windows or OS X.
Mod parent up. This is obvious what has taken place in the Linux community. And it's questionable, actually, whether it's a "problem" or just the situation as it stands.
Dude, I feel your pain. Well, not in the sense that I own one of these pieces of crap. But in the sense that I tried to go shopping for a new Palm when my m130 kicked the bucket and I COULD NOT find a Palm anywhere in any store in the city I live (Portland, Or.) where the higher end models didn't have this screen whine problem. I tried. I went to every store imaginable. Best Buy, CompUSA, Frys, Office Depot, Staples and every single Palm had this problem. I thought, after I read about it online, that there was no way the problem was this bad and this extensive. Boy was I wrong. It's horrible, extremely extensive and very painful to the ears. I came to the sad conclusion that as bad as Palm's old hardware was, it was better than the absolute trash they're peddling now. So I bought a refurbed m130 from usedhandhelds.com and bought a $9 replacement battery off of eBay and now I'm good to go for a couple more years.
It's ridiculous, though, absolutely insane that the most popular PDA OS doesn't have a decent piece of hardware that you can buy off the store shelf. I almost switched to Pocket PC. I was *this* close. In the end I wanted to stick with something I knew I could sync with Linux easily. But I was so tempted to just give up on synching and get a Pocket PC and just treat it like a stand-alone portable computer.