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Apple's 500 Million Songs

Paul H. writes "Apple is giving away an iPod Mini and a 50-song gift card to whomever purchases every 100,000th song on iTunes, until they reach 500 million downloads. The person who downloads the 500 millionth song wins 10 free iPods, a gold 10,000-song gift card, and 10 additional 50-song gift cards for the iPods. To top it off, the winner gets 4 first row Coldplay tickets with back-stage passes."

418 comments

  1. Finally... by pLnCrZy · · Score: 2, Funny

    A use for all those free songs I had saved up from Mountain Dew bottles!

    1. Re:Finally... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Informative

      "A use for all those free songs I had saved up from Mountain Dew bottles!"

      I hope you cashed in your credits and downloaded those songs already because if not, they expired.

      There's a new promotion on 40oz (or is it 33oz?) Slurpee cups at 7Eleven until the end of this month. Have at it.

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    2. Re:Finally... by johndierks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Songs purchased using freebie codes are not eligible, as per the rules.

    3. Re:Finally... by bigNewfy · · Score: 1

      Mine are all from Pepsi bottles.. I keep emailing my codes to my friends.

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    4. Re:Finally... by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, the prize for the 500,001st song download is 4 Coldplay tickets...

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    5. Re:Finally... by Golias · · Score: 1

      If I end up being customer 500,000, you can have my four, too.

      Coldplay was a much better band in their early years.

      You know, back when they were called "U2."

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    6. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I end up being customer 500,000, I can't win, because I live in Quebec, which is excluded from the contest (as usual).

      Our games & lottery commission sucks for this.

  2. 10 free ipods???? by pg110404 · · Score: 2

    isn't one enough?

    I'd gladly trade in the extra 9 for more songs.

    1. Re:10 free ipods???? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      I'd gladly trade in the extra 9 for more songs.

      or a Mac.

    2. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true Slashdotter. Get with the programme dolt; you can give the other 9 to friends. Maybe even a girl that you sorta like.

    3. Re:10 free ipods???? by big+daddy+kane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      just pawn em on ebay, 100% profit which you can pump into songs, or whatever you want.

    4. Re:10 free ipods???? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 5, Funny

      10 iPods make you 10 times as cool.......which is, of course, why I need so desperately to win.

      I HAVEN'T HAD A DATE IN 6 MONTHS!

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    5. Re:10 free ipods???? by Freexe · · Score: 1

      10,000 not enough for you?

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    6. Re:10 free ipods???? by guardiangod · · Score: 1

      In case the winner sues Apple for making Ipod baterry that drops dead after 6 months.

      Back up, I call it ;)

    7. Re:10 free ipods???? by fatcatman · · Score: 2, Funny

      But Apple isn't overstocked on Macs.

    8. Re:10 free ipods???? by BlogPope · · Score: 5, Funny
      Spoken like a true Slashdotter.

      Sorry, the proper Slashdot response is "Finally, I can make a Beowulf cluster of iPods", or Cool, now I can stripe them together for a fast yet tiny battery powered web server!

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    9. Re:10 free ipods???? by grungebox · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Homer is debating between taking $20 or a bag of peanuts. His brain tells him he can buy plenty of peanuts for $20, and he concurs. However, I think the $20 bill gets blown away by wind or something. Anyways, just sell the 9 iPods and buy something like 2700 songs. I doubt they'd give you that many.

    10. Re:10 free ipods???? by Radres · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, the proper Slashdot response makes YOU!

    11. Re:10 free ipods???? by odaen · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      How about putting the ipods on ebay and then getting some PHYSICAL music on a cd, which will last you at least for the next decade or so.

      Personally I can't see why anyone would collect music in iTunes DRM, it has no real value, at least if you have a CD you can re-sell it and use it with whatever device you want. I don't know anyone who buys downloadable music online. I was just wondering if I could hear some pro arguaments about downloadable music against actually having the CD. (I know you don't technically own the music, but it's still there in your hands and I feel that means something.)

    12. Re:10 free ipods???? by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

      "But Apple isn't overstocked on Macs."

      They will be soon. Who wants to buy a PPC Mac now?

    13. Re:10 free ipods???? by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      Haha, 10,000 Free songs in addition to the 10 iPods isn't enough songs for you?

    14. Re:10 free ipods???? by chucks86 · · Score: 1

      I'll buy you 50 songs for a couple of those ipods

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    15. Re:10 free ipods???? by bfizzle · · Score: 1

      When you "buy" DRM media you aren't really purchasing anything. I think we should require the *IAAs to market DRM products as "renting"

    16. Re:10 free ipods???? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Hmm decent math skills you got there.
      Let's see 2700 > 10000. Ah yes, my work is done.

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    17. Re:10 free ipods???? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "isn't one enough? I'd gladly trade in the extra 9 for more songs."

      For more songs? Over, say, a free iBook?

      The last time I checked, questions of legality and morality aside, you can download songs from P2P. You cannot, however, download a free iBook from P2P.

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    18. Re:10 free ipods???? by Nugget · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's convenient. I can go surfing around in iTMS, find a song I want, and be listening to it 20 seconds later. All at three in the morning from the comfort of my home.

      With CDs the best case is that I order it from amazon.com and get it a few days later, along with 10 other tracks on the disc which I may or may not want. Worst case, I have to drive to the store and stand in line to pay.

      iTMS wins the convenience and simplicity battle hands-down.

      I never resell CDs, they just aren't worth enough to make it worth the bother. With iTMS tracks I don't waste space on storing physical media I never use.

    19. Re:10 free ipods???? by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      No, the *proper* slashdotter response starts, "Now... How hard will it be to port DECNET to the iPod for my cluster?"

    20. Re:10 free ipods???? by Approaching.sanity · · Score: 1

      I know you are a /. reader, but don't you have friends?

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    21. Re:10 free ipods???? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Spoken like a true Slashdotter. Get with the programme dolt; you can give the other 9 to friends. Maybe even a girl that you sorta like."

      Or you could trade one iPod Mini for 30 minutes with a quality escort. Not that I would know from experience, but judging from the prices quoted on Craigslist it is accurate estimation... :)

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    22. Re:10 free ipods???? by grungebox · · Score: 1

      The parent wanted to trade the extra 9 iPods for more songs, not replace the 10000-song gift card. I'm saying you can just sell the iPods on eBay and use the money towards at least 2700 more songs. Seeing as you obviously didn't read or understand the parent, I'd wager your "work" is, in fact, not done.

    23. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 months .. thats it?

      I haven't had a date in 23 yrs..

      I am 23.. now thats sad.. lol

    24. Re:10 free ipods???? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "I don't know anyone who buys downloadable music online. I was just wondering if I could hear some pro arguaments about downloadable music against actually having the CD. (I know you don't technically own the music, but it's still there in your hands and I feel that means something.)"

      I do. But mainly through Pepsi/Mountain Dew and 7Eleven promotions.

      I don't like buying CDs because often times, I only want one song. Buying that one song online "rewards" the artist a little, but definitely more than downloading that same song via a P2P network. Buying music online also will hasten the demise of the CD, and hopefully increase the strength of Apple to negotiate the fees the RIAA charges, or ultimately cuts the RIAA/labels out since artists would not longer need those middle-men if all music were commercially available online. Buying the CD only props up the RIAA's business model with sales statistics. Plus, I listen to music through my iPod, and it seems like every music label is trying to thwart the person's legal right to back up their media purchase and/or convert/transfer the music over to a more portable digital format such as MP3, OGG, or unencrypted AAC (FLAC, ALAC, etc.).

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    25. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget:
      10 X 0 = 0

      *ducks*

    26. Re:10 free ipods???? by chl · · Score: 1
      Dude! Ten times zero is still zero!

      But, slightly more seriously: One way to get more dates is to ask lots of persons of the appropriate sex for one. Not only will that improve the chance of success, it will also desensitise you to rejection.

      The only danger of this method is that you could get depressed faster than you get desensitised and kill yourself.

      chl

    27. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 6 months since your last date?! Damn, you're lucky...

    28. Re:10 free ipods???? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      my cds sound better and i can play them on as many devices as i want :) i can convert them to any number of formats without the loss of double compress. i can even do lossless. for instant gratification, i can use emule; saving some money and getting the same or better quality. oh, and i can listen to the beatles :) only caveat with cds is sony is trying to ruin cds too.

    29. Re:10 free ipods???? by jerw134 · · Score: 1

      If you're putting questions of legality and morality aside, I really don't see how it would be incredibly difficult to obtain a free iBook...

    30. Re:10 free ipods???? by jaseparlo · · Score: 1

      Or possibly : I only have 5 iPods, you insensitive clod.

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    31. Re:10 free ipods???? by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Gimme a good discount and a loan for it and I'm in.

    32. Re:10 free ipods???? by billdar · · Score: 1


      'Cause you may want to listen to your songs more than once?

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    33. Re:10 free ipods???? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      As soon as someone starts offering music to download that has been compressed with a lossless compression technique I'll bite.

    34. Re:10 free ipods???? by polaris20 · · Score: 1

      10 free iPods x $299 = $2990 on Ebay - Dual 2.3Ghz G5 w/ some upgrades = One iPod, one really cool computer you didn't have before winning 10 iPods you don't have a use for.

    35. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 iPods make you 10 times as cool.......which is, of course, why I need so desperately to win.

      Well, in that case, you oughtn't try to win - if your "coolness" was multiplied by ten you'd only get worse.

    36. Re:10 free ipods???? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      isn't one enough?

      Think of it as RAID-1 for your mp3z.

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    37. Re:10 free ipods???? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Personally I can't see why anyone would collect music in iTunes DRM, it has no real value, at least if you have a CD you can re-sell it and use it with whatever device you want.

      It's easy enough to strip off the DRM. Hell, iTunes will burn a fully standards-compliant audio CD for you if you can't figure out Hymn. Either way, you can play your downloads on whatever device you want. I played my iTMS downloads on my Palm (transcoded to Ogg Vorbis at first, but now it'll play AAC) long before I bought an iPod.

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    38. Re:10 free ipods???? by zedmelon · · Score: 1
      Or you could trade one iPod Mini for 30 minutes with a quality escort...

      No way. What the hell do you do with her for the extra 26 minutes?

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    39. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      I never resell CDs, they just aren't worth enough to make it worth the bother.

      Of course not, if you only sell one at a time. Take a whole bunch in at once, and it's a different story. Same thing with used books. I took in 4 boxes of books to a used book store, and left with $80 for the half hour of work it took. 3 years later, my salary still hasn't hit $160/hour, so I consider it well worth the bother.

    40. Re:10 free ipods???? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, I've already got an iPod, so I have a slight hint of coolness already. Of course, when everyone looks and finds that I'm listening to "A Flock of Seagulls" and "Wham", that hint of coolness will probably fade.

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    41. Re:10 free ipods???? by hamfactorial · · Score: 0

      In South Korea, only old people buy music online.

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    42. Re:10 free ipods???? by Nugget · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the vast majority of my CDs are material I still enjoy. Where many books lack sufficient re-readability to justify keeping, the same isn't true for nearly all of the music I buy.

      I also resell my books from time to time, whenever I have a sufficiently large stack of books I'm pretty sure I'll never care to re-read.

      If I had enough CDs to justify selling a whole bunch at once, I'd certainly have been far better off never having bought them in the first place.

    43. Re:10 free ipods???? by loucura! · · Score: 1

      Listen to five songs?

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    44. Re:10 free ipods???? by jocknerd · · Score: 1, Funny
      I HAVEN'T HAD A DATE IN 6 MONTHS!


      I haven't either and I'm married! Thats what twins will do.
    45. Re:10 free ipods???? by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Might be more of a headache than it is worth.

      You'll have to declare the winnings with the IRC, as will Apple, who will value them at retail. You probably won't be able to get retail, so you'll get taxed on nonexistant income.

      Of course you could submit the actual proceeds from the ebay sales to the IRS, and could make up the difference on shipping, but it just seems like a lot of work for a few extra bucks.

      So yeah, give me a maxed out Mac Mini instead.

    46. Re:10 free ipods???? by flawedgeek · · Score: 1

      1) Take 10 cheap iPods
      2) RAID them in your backpack
      3) ???
      4) Profit!

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    47. Re:10 free ipods???? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      No way. What the hell do you do with her for the extra 26 minutes?

      Help her with her homework.

    48. Re:10 free ipods???? by h0mer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Aww twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut. :(
      Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
      Explain how.
      Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
      Woohoo!

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    49. Re:10 free ipods???? by Ziwcam · · Score: 0

      When you "buy" a CD, you are really only purchasing a piece of plastic with some hills and valleys inscribed on it in a microscopic manner. When the next form of music distro comes out, you'll have to "buy" the album again, if you want to keep playing it on the latest and greatest.

      Remember Men In Black... Now I'll have to buy the white album again.

    50. Re:10 free ipods???? by odaen · · Score: 1

      Unless they decide to re-record the entire album, it's highly doubtful they'll be able to get better quality that's on the 16bit 44Hz track, albums would have to specially be remade for it, and CD drives are sticking round for a very long time.

      A more appropriate comment would be that audio codecs are ever evolving and that by buying a CD you are future proofing and retaining the ability to encode to whatever non existant codec you desire.

    51. Re:10 free ipods???? by odaen · · Score: 1

      But stripping off the DRM is considered illegal and against the DMCA, and the entire point of buying files online is the legality of it all.

    52. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You'll have to declare the winnings with the IRC
      Now talking in #taxes
      <fafaforza> hi i just won 10 ipods
      <@Ne0> haha macfag
      <fafaforza> how do i declare teh winings
      <@Ne0> you um send them to me
      <fafaforza> what is ur addy
      <@Ne0> 123 macfag place, california, 90210
      <fafaforza> thankx
      You were kicked from #taxes by Ne0 (E-n-l-i-g-h-t-e-n-m-e-n-t s-c-r-i-p-t O.3I)
    53. Re:10 free ipods???? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Great, so then you'll have a "standards-compliant audio CD" that is filled with 128 kbit songs. How is that worth $10?

      iTunes is the only store that still claims 128 kbps is "CD quality." Even Real Rhapsody sells songs at 192 kbps nowadays.

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    54. Re:10 free ipods???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's an Ipod?

    55. Re:10 free ipods???? by TrekCycling · · Score: 1

      You could also start your own "Win a free iPod" pyramid scheme.

    56. Re:10 free ipods???? by Golias · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps, "ten iPods, fine... but can't *any* of them play my OGG files!?"

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    57. Re:10 free ipods???? by Golias · · Score: 1

      At the video store in my neighborhood they have one of those huge gum ball machines. The kind with those big 1" diameter gum balls. Along with the pieced of gum, there was also a single plastic ball with a $20 bill stuffed inside it, so you have something like a 1-in-300 chance of winning twenty bucks.

      A cute little girl came in, put in her quarter for a gum ball, and won the $20 ball instead.

      She cried.

      It suddenly became obvious to everybody in the store that the folks who own the gum ball machine didn't really think their clever marketing strategy all the way through.

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    58. Re:10 free ipods???? by macrom · · Score: 1

      Yet you SOMEHOW find time to read and post on Slashdot. :^)

    59. Re:10 free ipods???? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      If you're going to play the numbers game, why not ask people of both genders, and double your chances of getting a date?

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    60. Re:10 free ipods???? by chl · · Score: 1
      Quote: If you're going to play the numbers game, why not ask people of both genders, and double your chances of getting a date?

      I was assuming that the typical person wants to date someone in order to start a relationship that will eventually lead to having sex. Most people can only enjoy sex when the other person is of a specific gender. So for most people it does not make sense to date persons of the inappropriate gender (unless you are forced to successfully produce a date of unspecified gender in order to satisfy the twisted humour of a recently deceased rich uncle, who put that condition into his will).

      chl

    61. Re:10 free ipods???? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Dude, you're not gay if you pitch, only if you catch. So just close your eyes and pretend it's a girl, or think about all that money you're going to get from your rich deceased uncle.

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    62. Re:10 free ipods???? by BackInIraq · · Score: 1

      Hey, I've already got an iPod, so I have a slight hint of coolness already. Of course, when everyone looks and finds that I'm listening to "A Flock of Seagulls" and "Wham", that hint of coolness will probably fade.

      That's why you need a Shuffle...the green LED tells no tales.

    63. Re:10 free ipods???? by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Whatever you have to tell yourself.

  3. Hmmm by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cynical side of me sees attempt to drum up more sales.

    Realistic side... sees attempt to drum up more sales.

    1. Re:Hmmm by green+pizza · · Score: 1

      Cynical side of me sees attempt to drum up more sales.
      Realistic side... sees attempt to drum up more sales.


      That's the problem with commerical business, just about every "promotion" like this Apple iPod contest is just another way to increase sales or to increase brand recogntion. There really is no free lunch in the commerical marketplace. :(

    2. Re:Hmmm by Chapium · · Score: 1

      Please explain to me how this is a problem

    3. Re:Hmmm by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 5, Funny
      Imagine that... a business attempting to do business.

    4. Re:Hmmm by WarwickRyan · · Score: 1

      Well, promotions are usually designed to increase sales..

    5. Re:Hmmm by BlogPope · · Score: 2, Funny

      Its the Corporations see. They are trying to make a profit. Profits are evil. what you are missing is that they are charging 99 cents for every one of those 10,000 songs, but an iPod only costs $200. Thats like $9,700 just lining Steve Jobs pockets, instead of going to feed starving kids in Afrika. Can't you see how evil that is?

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    6. Re:Hmmm by nek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, reeeeeaaaally evil. Except for that annoying fact that Apple gets less than 20% of that $.99 for each song. This goes to pay for servers, storage, and bandwidth. NOT Steve Jobs' pockets. iPods line his pockets. The other 80% goes to the labels.

    7. Re:Hmmm by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      And on Slashdot's front page no less

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    8. Re:Hmmm by RichardX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cynical side of me sees attempt to drum up more sales.

      Realistic side... sees attempt to drum up more sales.


      That's because you're outside of the Jobs Reality Distortion Field(tm). If you were inside it (where you're *SUPPOSED* to be) you would in fact see this for what it really is - a selfless attempt by Apple to bring about world peace.

      Come. Join is. Everything is happy here. And made of white plastic - which is a bonus.

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    9. Re:Hmmm by OnlySlightly · · Score: 1

      Of course the future is white plastic. Didn't you ever see Space 1999? (Oh wait, I guess that's the past now.)

    10. Re:Hmmm by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 1

      Especially since Apple are so poor these days they can only afford to pay Steve Jobs a dollar a year.

      Stuart

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    11. Re:Hmmm by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      There really is no free lunch in the commerical marketplace. :(

      There is no free lunch ANYWHERE, says the bachelor who pays over $2000 in property taxes to support a corrupt and inept public school system.

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  4. Free Entries by NickCatal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Find a song, do the "tell a friend" feature and type in "itunes500@apple.com" as the friend to email. Each time you do it, it is an entry. -Nick

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    1. Re:Free Entries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda...it only counts as an entry right after the 99,999th song is purchased, it will not increase the song count at any other point.

    2. Re:Free Entries by Ender_Wiggin · · Score: 1

      And if you win through such ill-gotten means, wouldn't it be stealing from Apple?

    3. Re:Free Entries by ToeNipples · · Score: 1

      absolutely not because this is perfectly legitimate and REQUIRED by law....otherwise it counts as gambling, notice all corporate promotions say "no purchase necessary" well this is no different. Besides, why do you think they set up that email account anyway? It's not like this is some super secret loophole that fools apple into thinking you downloaded a track from them.

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    4. Re:Free Entries by nothings · · Score: 1

      To actually answer your question usefully, this is in the official contest rules published by apple.

    5. Re:Free Entries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absolutely not because this is perfectly legitimate and REQUIRED by law....otherwise it counts as gambling, notice all corporate promotions say "no purchase necessary" well this is no different.

      Yes, but has there ever been in the history of giveaways a case of somebody winning via the "no purchase necessary" option?

    6. Re:Free Entries by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 2

      Actually, I think they randomly draw from the pool of
      a) the qualifying purchases of the last 100,000 downloads (I believe freebies aren't counted as purchases, but they count for the total downloaded)
      b) all e-mails sent in during the time span of the last 100,000 downloads.

      That's the impression I got from reading the rules. It doesn't say that the 100,000th person wins, but that there will be a winner for every 100,000 purchases.

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    7. Re:Free Entries by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      Ohhhhkay. Apparently I didn't read *enough* of the rules, and/or I'm a moron.

      Still, they're somewhat unclear about that running tally...does it count off only purchases, or all entries? It's crazy.

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    8. Re:Free Entries by mr100percent · · Score: 1
      Ah, I see. My mistake, I thought it was a loophole someone found in the scheme.

      Official Rules - US
      1. No Purchase Necessary
      ...
      3. How To Enter. You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by: 1) downloading a song from iTunes (any free downloads will be deemed an ineligible entry); or 2) a free alternative means of sending an e-mail to Apple at itunes500@apple.com via the iTunes "Tell a Friend" feature (a song download or Tell a Friend e-mail will be deemed an "Entry(ies)"). The "Tell a Friend" feature can be easily accessed at iTunes by selecting a song, and clicking the "Tell a Friend" link that is displayed for that song. One Entry will be automatically submitted for each song downloaded or Tell a Friend e-mail sent. The Promotion begins following the downloading of the 480,000,000th iTunes song, and ends with the downloading of the 500 millionth Entry ("End Date"). Only Entries submitted in this time period will be accepted.

    9. Re:Free Entries by PridIdOct · · Score: 2, Funny

      Laslo! /me hopes parent has seen Real Genius

    10. Re:Free Entries by line.at.infinity · · Score: 2

      No. Actually:

      "Prize will be given away for the 480,100,000th Entry, 480,200,000th Entry, ... 499,900,000th Entry"

      Also:

      "For the 500 millionth Entry, the winner will receive the Grand Prize. In the event that more than one entrant would be a winner based on the simultaneous timing of entries, one entrant will be randomly selected from those entrants as the winner. "

    11. Re:Free Entries by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I had corrected myself already, if you had taken the time to read further. Though, I can't really yell at you for doing the same thing I did.

      I'm glad we had this chat. ;)

      --
      ± 29 dB
    12. Re:Free Entries by d0rp · · Score: 1

      No purchase necessary, enter as many times as you want, so I am.

  5. $0 marginal cost by Free_Trial_Thinking · · Score: 1

    Apple wants us to think getting 10,000 songs for free is worth untold millions of dollars but the marginal cost to apple, or the record companies is near $0.00.

    Just something to remember. I'd rather win something tangible like a house.

    1. Re:$0 marginal cost by Burning1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because something is free doesn't mean that it's valueless.

    2. Re:$0 marginal cost by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

      Even winning a house wouldn't be worth downloading dumb songs through the icky itunes interface in my opinion. ugh

    3. Re:$0 marginal cost by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iPods aren't free. Neither are concert tickets. The songs aren't free either, just very cheap from Apple's point of view. They still pay bandwidth fees and likely will have to count them as songs sold for royalty purposes.

      Besides, in things like this it isn't the value of the prize to the company that is important, it is the value of the prize to the winner or game-players that matters. Clearly you don't care and therefore you are not their target audience with this event.

    4. Re:$0 marginal cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Untold millions? More like $9900 + the ipods (winner chooses model, so prices differ). Which is exactly what it is worth to the winner.

      Just because it does not cost apple much does not mean it is a worthless prize.

    5. Re:$0 marginal cost by jfengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, sure you'd rather win something worth $150k than $9,900, which is what 10,000 songs costs. They're not claiming it's worth untold millions.

      The marginal cost to Apple may be small, but 10,000 songs are still 10,000 songs, and they're worth something to you, assuming you listen to music. The music's pretty tangible.

      The marginal cost may be zero, but the amortized cost is not. They can't give you the next song without having paid for the servers, the software, the music studios, the advertising, etc.

      If your goal is not so much to have stuff as to make make sure you're socking it to the guys giving you the prize, well, I'm sure Apple is very sorry. If you write to jobs@apple.com, he'll send you a gift certificate to be redeemed for a free iTunes song ($.99 processing fee applies.)

      (And just for reference, contests with a house as a prize rarely actually give away a house. If you read the rules closely, you'll find that you can take cash instead. Nearly everybody takes the cash.)

    6. Re:$0 marginal cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They still have to pay royalities to the music labels.

    7. Re:$0 marginal cost by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      Well, you'll save hours in downloading time.

    8. Re:$0 marginal cost by soupdevil · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're right, but 10,000 itunes songs has near zero value for me. I can't play them on my computer (no iTunes). I can't play them on my Rio Karma. I could give them to my girlfriend, but she works for the music industry and gets her music for free -- she can't remember ever buying a cd. I guess I could give them to my brother for xmas - 10 per year for the next 1000 years. Won't he be happy.

    9. Re:$0 marginal cost by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Tell you what -- when you win the 10,000 song gift card, give it to me and I'll buy you a pizza. Certainly that has more value to you than the 10,000 iTunes songs, right? And though I don't use iTunes or have an iPod, I suspect that I can probably come up with a use for such a prize, if I try really hard.

      --

      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    10. Re:$0 marginal cost by dal20402 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      mal/bloatware

      OK, I'll bite...

      iTunes doesn't do anything you don't ask it to. The store function can be completely turned off. As with any other player, you can use it without ever encountering DRM. And it certainly won't sell you p3ni$ p111z or erase your HD. How is it malware?

      And as for the bloatware charge, iTunes doesn't have a lot of useless features; in fact, most users will complain about something that's missing (e.g. gapless playback, user-defined tags, etc.) before they'll complain of bloat. How is it bloatware?

      I know, don't feed the trolls, but curiosity got the best of me.

    11. Re:$0 marginal cost by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      I could give them to my girlfriend, but she works for the music industry and gets her music for free

      The true slashdotter in me doesn't know if I should hate you for sleeping with the enemy or just plain hate you for sleeping with a member of the opposite sex.

      You would have made my life a lot easier if you were sleeping with a male indie-artist who got screwed over by a RIAA company.

      --
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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    12. Re:$0 marginal cost by Skippy_kangaroo · · Score: 1

      I could give them to my girlfriend, but she works for the music industry and gets her music for free

      No wonder the music industry has no clue about why on-line music is so popular and so many people look for cheaper alternatives than buying a $30 CD (Australia).

    13. Re:$0 marginal cost by soupdevil · · Score: 1
      Well, in Windows at least, you get multiple processes that run all the time, eating up RAM, whether you asked for them at install or not. I don't have an iPod, but iTunes installs that stupid process to look for my iPod. Without asking. Also, with its tight integration with Quicktime, I have frequently found that updating iTunes or Quicktime can mess up my file type preferences for other media apps.

      On a Mac, the default behavior for simply playing an mp3 is to open iTunes. There should be a simple file playing utility for file playback that doesn't involve a web storefront and a music database management system if you just want to play a simple file.

    14. Re:$0 marginal cost by soupdevil · · Score: 1

      She gets her music for free because labels send her CDs in hopes that she will promote their artists. Every business I've ever been involved with gives away a certain amount of product for press and promotional purposes. I personally am not a fan of most RIAA music, and certainly not a defender of their business practices. Most of the music I listen to and buy is from online labels like Magnatune, or directly from the artists themselves.

    15. Re:$0 marginal cost by aclarke · · Score: 1

      How sure are you that "soupdevil" is a guy?

    16. Re:$0 marginal cost by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anytime someone mentions "my girlfriend" in an online setting I always assume chick on chick. I think I have a problem ;-)

    17. Re:$0 marginal cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      ...iPodService and iTunesHelper...

      I have 1 word for you regarding these: msconfig

      Just turn the iTunesHelper and iPodService off...It is not that difficult to do...

      In fact if you look HERE you will see that iTunesHelper.exe is a non-essential service and therefore safe to turn off.

      the iPodService is also non-essential. You can turn it off as well. Look HERE for more information.

    18. Re:$0 marginal cost by ender81b · · Score: 1

      Heck yeah! I won an ipod during the last promotion ... it's nice. Silver mini with a laser engrazing on the back of the pepsi logo with headphones around it.

      I win major points for having that bad boy ;)

    19. Re:$0 marginal cost by Skippy_kangaroo · · Score: 1

      Ahh! The 'music industry' is a nebulous beast. (Just ask Apple Corps and Apple Computer about whether they are in the music industry and let the fireworks begin.)

    20. Re:$0 marginal cost by hacker · · Score: 1
      "The iPods aren't free. Neither are concert tickets. The songs aren't free either, just very cheap from Apple's point of view. They still pay bandwidth fees and likely will have to count them as songs sold for royalty purposes."

      Neither is the prize. You still have to pay your local state taxes on the $15k-$18k of prize winnings before they can be transferred to you, just like winning a car in the casino lottery. You don't get the keys until you pay the taxes on it.

    21. Re:$0 marginal cost by Pollardito · · Score: 1
      EastCoastSurfer said:
      Anytime someone mentions "my girlfriend" in an online setting I always assume chick on chick. I think I have a problem ;-)
      i think your problem is that you're on the wrong coast
    22. Re:$0 marginal cost by rf600r · · Score: 1

      I can't play them on my computer (no iTunes).
      Download it, you fucktard. Good grief.

      I can't play them on my Rio Karma.
      Ugh, this whine again. STFU. Guess what, if you win the 10k songs, you win at least one iPod!

      I could give them to my girlfriend, but she works for the music industry and gets her music for free -- she can't remember ever buying a cd.
      Yeah, but I can be certain that she'll be dumping you by the time you read this post. Some smarmy radio jock is feeling her up right now while you play on /. with the rest of us losers.

    23. Re:$0 marginal cost by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      i think your problem is that you're on the wrong coast

      Our coast isn't likely to fall into the ocean anytime soon though :)

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    24. Re:$0 marginal cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who care what value the prize is worth? Apple wants to sell half a billion songs... They'll be making half a billion dollars!

      Wow, what a totally great promotion. They give away $10000 to get $500000000. The real issue here is going to be just how much sales are boosted by this no-cost promotion.

    25. Re:$0 marginal cost by wootest · · Score: 1

      Also, with its tight integration with Quicktime, I have frequently found that updating iTunes or Quicktime can mess up my file type preferences for other media apps.

      The playback part of iTunes is based on QuickTime - some level of integration is unavoidable. Associations are still messy at best, though.

      On a Mac, the default behavior for simply playing an mp3 is to open iTunes. There should be a simple file playing utility for file playback that doesn't involve a web storefront and a music database management system if you just want to play a simple file.

      Oh, like QuickTime Player? Or why not the little QuickTime bar you get in Finder's column view?

    26. Re:$0 marginal cost by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Apple wants us to think getting 10,000 songs for free is worth untold millions of dollars

      Where did Apple say that?

      but the marginal cost to apple, or the record companies is near $0.00.

      No, it certainly is not. Apple still has to pay the record companies for the songs. The record companies are profiting, Apple is paying.

      And you may like to win a house, but what obligates Apple to give one away. How does it not being a house reduce the value of the prize they are giving away? Sheesh, people enter competitions just to get free candy bars or t-shirts with advertising on them.

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
  6. What do you do with ten iPods? by double-oh+three · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Gift them
    2. Beowulf cluster
    3. ...
    4. Profit!?

    Seriously though, you'd run out of people you felt close enough to to give them an iPod before you ran out.

    And I think 10,500 songs counts as a lifetime supply.

    --
    "For years, I struggled with reality... but I'm happy to say I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
    1. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by eln · · Score: 1

      Sell them on eBay.

      Stain them with vague images that look sort of like the Virgin Mary, and sell the on eBay for 10 times as much.

    2. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Rei · · Score: 1

      That's only three weeks of music, unless you buy classical. :P

      --
      "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
    3. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by tktk · · Score: 1
      If people knew you had 9 iPods to give away, I'm sure they'll be much friendlier to you.

      If you had 10,500 free songs, would you pick and choose a song at a time? Or say 'screw it' and buy the entire album?

      I don't know about 10,500 songs being a lifetime supply. Using a rough estimate of 10 songs per CD, I know 3 people who own that many songs. Some people are just indescriminant when they buy music.

      Listening to all the songs though, that might take a lifetime.

    4. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      Claim that they're haunted and will start playing Danzig in the middle of the night. For variety.

    5. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And I think 10,500 songs counts as a lifetime supply.

      My iTunes has 15,491 songs. And I know people who have 3 times the number of CDs I have. (I don't buy songs from iTunes).

    6. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Rei · · Score: 1

      First, repeats:

      Assuming 3-minute songs, the first song has zero probability of repeating. The second has a 1/10,500 (i.e., 1-10,499/10,500) probability of repeating. The third has a 1-(10,499/10,500 * 10,498/10,499) unioned with the previous chance, and so on. With a random shuffle, statistically you'd get your first repeat around song 120, which would be 6 days into playing it.

      What about how long you have to listen to have heard *every* song on a truly random play? The expected length of time to play the first unheard song is 1 song - the first time, you always hear something you haven't heard before. From then-on, it's 1/(unheard/10500). Summing those up, you get an expected 103282 tracks, or 72 days of listening.

      Others: feel free to correct my math. ;)

      --
      "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
    7. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Correction: 215 days of listening - I forgot to multiply by three minutes per track.

      --
      "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
    8. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words: E and Bay.

      Assuming they're the nice, new 60gb models that's $4,000 worth of kit, which would probably sell for about that on eBay.

      I'd also sell the Coldplay tickets. I can't stand Chris Martin. He's such a twat.

    9. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Council · · Score: 1

      I'm not totally sure how to handle that, mathematically. Remember, unheard isn't just a linear function of songs listened to here, since they repeat. Are you accounting for that?

      I keep meaning to solve this problem; I've done many related ones, but I'm never sure of the answer to this. Either way, it's a probability, probably a possion thing, of listening to N songs and hearing all of your P songs at least once. N is 0 up to P and then nonzero forever. I don't knw where the hump on the curve falls, though.

      Help?

      --
      xkcd.com - a webcomic of mathematics, love, and language.
    10. Re:What do you do with ten iPods? by Council · · Score: 1

      Okay, I sat down and did this as a continuous problem, put it in the form of a differential equation, and handed it to this bright high school kid to do for me. The answer is that it takes roughly N * ln N hefore there is a 50% chance you have heard every song. (That is the point where you have heard, on average, 10499.5 songs). In this case, 104,498 listens. So pretty close to what you said. I assume you did the sum numerically; I thought you might be interested in this more theoretical approach.

      math:
      if P is the total # of songs and T(N) is the total number of songs you have heard after listen N, on average, then the increase in songs each listen dT(N)/dN is given by

      dT(N)/dN = 1 - (1/P) * T(N)

      This is saying that the change in T is proportional to the number of unheard songs so far. This is very straightforward.

      Solving this gives you T(N) = P + (1-P)*e^(-N/P).

      Now I missed where this kid did the integration, but basically you find the point in time X where the total sum of the number of songs you hear, from time X to infinity, on average, is less than 0.5. Meaning that there's a less than 1/2 chance that you'll hear a new song at all. Anyway, he did the integration of

      int from X to infinity { 1 - 1/P * T(N) } = 0.5, plugging in the solution for T(N) found above, and he gave me

      X = P * ln 2 + P ln (P-1)

      So the ratio X/P is

      XperP = ln 2 + ln (P - 1)

      Which means that if you have 100 songs, it will take you 100 * (ln 2 + ln (100-1)) listens to hear them all.

      --
      xkcd.com - a webcomic of mathematics, love, and language.
  7. Music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Play that funky music, nerd boy....

  8. And the runner-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gets 10 Coldplay tickets!

  9. begging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please use our service. we'll give you stuff!

    we suckered all the apple people so far.. and we still need more users!

  10. Advisory... by wcitech · · Score: 1

    To anybody thinking about buying a whole bunch of iTunes to try and win this prize, give it up, you probably don't have an iChance in iHell. /sigh

    1. Re:Advisory... by dal20402 · · Score: 1

      iDo iToo! (iRuns off to iTunes Music Store to iWaste more iCash)

  11. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rumor had it that they had overstocked their inventory of iPods and needed to get rid of them. Is this just a quiet way of getting rid of them

    Yep. They overstocked by 10 units and they need to unload them stat.

  12. The bad news is by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    I'm in 92426 charge and 92427 I keep losing 924.... count, crap!! 1, 2

    --
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    What truth?
    There is no dupe
  13. You had me going there... by DenmaFat · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...until the last item on the list. Coldplay. Yawn.

    --
    I love that donkey. Hell, I love everybody.
    1. Re:You had me going there... by Reverend528 · · Score: 1

      well, its not like they can make you go to the concert.

    2. Re:You had me going there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blue Frog > Coldplay

    3. Re:You had me going there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean to say don't like 's music ?

  14. Joy, more Apple advertising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how is this news for nerds?

  15. Good Gimmick, Apple by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    Apple isn't so stupid afterall, now they're making people buy songs for no reason just for a chance to win an iPod or the grand prize. Sound a little like Willy Wonka to me...

    1. Re:Good Gimmick, Apple by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'll say. You'd have to spend more than the iPod's worth for a decent shot at it.

  16. And how many they haved so far? by AMG · · Score: 1

    Any idea about the numbers so far?
    Sorry I'm not a iTunes user

  17. Let's slashdot the itunes servers! by tktk · · Score: 5, Funny
    Hey, just for fun, everyone go buy one song right now. That'll burn the iTunes music servers and the credit card verification system to the ground.

    Sincerely,

    Jeve Stobs.

    1. Re:Let's slashdot the itunes servers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the way Snrub thinks!

  18. Meanwhile... by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Funny

    The RIAA will be handing out lawsuits for every 100,000th download on a p2p network, leading up to the public beheading of the person who download the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th song.

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      They're beheading people retroactively now?

      Astounding.

      --

      Edward@Tomato - /home/Edward/ man woman
      man: no entry for woman in the manual.
      "Qua!?"

    2. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again?

    3. Re:Meanwhile... by Shazow · · Score: 1
      The RIAA will be handing out lawsuits for every 100,000th download on a p2p network, leading up to the public beheading of the person who download the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th song.

      In other words: The RIAA will now be holding public beheadings of music sharers every other Sunday. Bring your umbrellas.
    4. Re:Meanwhile... by Mitchell+Mebane · · Score: 1

      OK, let's use RIAA style figures and say that in any given second, one trillion songs are being downloaded. At that rate, it would take roughly 31 years before the first beheading occurs. Have fun waiting. ;)

      --

      The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
      --Aristotle
    5. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you want to behead people before they've committed any crime?

      Actually, I like that plan.

      (apologies if you were referencing something...)

    6. Re:Meanwhile... by HeliumHigh · · Score: 1

      1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th song?
      Aren't they a bit late for that one?

    7. Re:Meanwhile... by teslar · · Score: 1

      Damn, you mean I shouldn't have clicked on that "Congratulations, you're a winner!" popup?

    8. Re:Meanwhile... by hagrin · · Score: 1

      As a close friend of the belated Nick Berg, whose fate has now become a /. catch phrase which gets you a 5, Funny, I'd like to remind people that the BitTorrent copies you downloaded of people being beheaded in Iraq are actually people who had friends and family back here. The RIAA is "the man" but this joke was in bad taste. Piss on the scorer of this post.

  19. Hope by markmcb · · Score: 1

    We can only hope they don't get stabbed as well.

    --
    Mark A. McBride -- OmniNerd.com
    1. Re:Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We don't like your kind in these parts!

      Seriously, if my last name was the same as Darl McBride, I'd apply for a legal name change. Or at least not use my real name on slashdot!

    2. Re:Hope by markmcb · · Score: 1

      Someone's got to make it a good name again... I do what I can.

      --
      Mark A. McBride -- OmniNerd.com
  20. easily expoitable by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Funny

    much like the bottle caps you could see the bottoms of before buying, this scheme has an obvious flaw.

    Just buy 100,000 songs and hey, free ipod!

    1. Re:easily expoitable by pg110404 · · Score: 1

      Just buy 100,000 songs and hey, free ipod!

      That would work if there were 100,000 songs I liked. I might only have something 10,000 I liked, so why should I blow about 90 grand on crap I don't like?

      I suppose I could always buy 10 separate copies of the 10,000 I did like. But then I'd need those 10 ipods, not the 1 I'd otherwise get.

    2. Re:easily expoitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I could figure out the point of your post.

      Was it an attempt at humour? If so, it failed.

      Was it a serious post? If so, you're a jackass.

      Actually, either way you're a jackass, jackass.

    3. Re:easily expoitable by pg110404 · · Score: 1

      Actually, either way you're a jackass, jackass.

      Apart from going out of your way to label me a jackass, your post has no value whatsoever.

      As for the point of labeling me a jackass, your argument doesn't carry any weight.

      You even posted anonymously. I find you a pitiable person.

    4. Re:easily expoitable by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
      so why should I blow about 90 grand on crap I don't like?

      To get the free iPod, of course!

    5. Re:easily expoitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's not guaranteed that you'd get the free ipod...

      485,100,001... okay, missed it by one.
      485,199,999... dang...
      485,300,032... heh...
      485,401,778... son of...

    6. Re:easily expoitable by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      I think what he meant was 'that sound you just heard was the joke flying over your head'. Either that our your reply was just too dry for most of us to get.

      However, none of that qualifies you as a jackass.

    7. Re:easily expoitable by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      damn, i was going to turn in these 100K "free song" bottlecaps from mountain dew, but then i saw that offer was over.

      oh well, i probably couldn't have pressed the "buy song" button 100,000 times fast enough to not have anyone else slip a purchase into the mix anyway

    8. Re:easily expoitable by pg110404 · · Score: 1

      I think what he meant was 'that sound you just heard was the joke flying over your head'. Either that our your reply was just too dry for most of us to get.

      I must admit my humour might be a bit too dry for some. In any event, I did get the original joke.

      However, none of that qualifies you as a jackass.

      I can take a dubious "that was meant as a joke" criticism, after all humour is subjective and my jokes could be over their head as well. That "I don't get it so therefore you're a jackass" was way over the line and I felt deserved the response.

      Maybe the only joke I didn't get was the "you're a jackass, jackass" bit, but having to decide if I'm being insulted or not, I tend to choose the being insulted route.

    9. Re:easily expoitable by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1

      I find it always very annoying when people start insulting without any provocation. In your cases it was humor that was above is cognitive ability, sometime people starts insulting because the original post have some political meaning or unpopular opinion (like saying that Microsoft is not 100% evil but just 99.9%).

      But what really offence my is when people start to mod up the one who was using insults and then call troll the one who have the unpopular point of view even if he was acting much more civilized.

      The fun thing in a discussion is to compare the different points of view and learn new stuff. If every body had the same opinion and knowledge there will be no point on posting except to write "me too".

      --

      Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
  21. Aren't they meant to give you something nice? by FinchWorld · · Score: 1, Funny
    the winner gets 4 first row Coldplay tickets with back-stage passes.

    The horror!

    *Awaits insightful from those of similar mind and troll/flamebait from the fans*

    --
    "I may be full of crap about this game, and I may be wrong, and that's fine." -Jack Thompson
    1. Re:Aren't they meant to give you something nice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      (Score:0, Flamebait)

      Coldplay Fan No. 1

  22. 10 free iPods, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do I still get to punch that blasted monkey 10 times first?

  23. Let's see, once you're done on eBay by syntap · · Score: 1

    this calculates to... pinky ready... one MILLION dollars!

  24. Gimme the Dual G5! by tmoore · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The person who downloads the 500 millionth song wins 10 free iPods, a gold 10,000-song gift card, and 10 additional 50-song gift cards for the iPods. To top it off, the winner gets 4 first row Coldplay tickets with back-stage passes.

    Why not give away a nice Dual G5 system with the 30 inch cinema display instead of 10 iPods. What would you do with 10 iPods anyway? I mean 1 or 2 iPod's would be nice but 10??

    1. Re:Gimme the Dual G5! by real_smiff · · Score: 1
      What would you do with 10 iPods anyway?

      Get mugged?

      No, seriously, 9 of them are going on eBay*.

      *If you have a friend, 8.

      --

      This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.

    2. Re:Gimme the Dual G5! by Shigernafy · · Score: 1

      I realize this is slashdot, so the comment may not apply, but you could give them to friends...

      Or, at the very least, use them as a way to make a "friend" for a short time.

    3. Re:Gimme the Dual G5! by maxoct97 · · Score: 1

      the surplus has to go somewhere. remember they just came out with their NEW and IMPROVED iPods! haha

    4. Re:Gimme the Dual G5! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has correctly decided to split it's computers and music from each other.

      * what if the winner is one of those types with the 15 page sig. detailing everything on home build PC. They will have no use of the Mac, but they will have use of the 10,000 songs, and at least 1 of the iPods. Coldplay tickets could easily get him laid, so they are of some use.

    5. Re:Gimme the Dual G5! by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

      Its all marketing. I think they are trying to market this particular prize to people with friends.

    6. Re:Gimme the Dual G5! by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Why not give away a nice Dual G5 system with the 30 inch cinema display instead of 10 iPods. What would you do with 10 iPods anyway? I mean 1 or 2 iPod's would be nice but 10??

      Who would want that? The G5 is yesterday's news. Now, about 4 of those 30" cinema displays would be nice.

  25. Apples bobbing in the chocolate river by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

    >The person who downloads the 500 millionth song wins 10 free iPods, a gold 10,000-song gift card...

    ...and gets to visit the iPod factory run by the mysterious Steve Wonka?

    1. Re:Apples bobbing in the chocolate river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Willy Wozniak?

  26. Heh...Good luck, Apple. by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 5, Funny

    We already know of a way to get 10,000 free songs. Your gimmicks ain't flyin'.

  27. Taxes? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not sure I'd want to win this. You get what "$10K" worth of music, $3K worth of ipods, probably a grand for the concert stuff. Boom - you owe the IRS 20% of $14000.

    1. Re:Taxes? by tmoore · · Score: 1

      IRS..... who is that again?

    2. Re:Taxes? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you're an American who's joking or someone else who's serious (or, God forbid, an American who's being serious), but I'll risk looking the fool and answer you literally.

      The IRS is the Internal Revenue Service; they're the part of the American Government that deals with taxes...Collection, enforcement, etc.

    3. Re:Taxes? by tmoore · · Score: 1

      Joke not literall.... sarcasm abounds

    4. Re:Taxes? by scovetta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Are 10,000 songs automagically worth $10k? Seriously, how is that determined? If Starbucks gives me a free lifetime supply of coffee, do I owe them 20% of $infinity?

      --
      Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
    5. Re:Taxes? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

      Are 10,000 songs automagically worth $10k?

      I looked on itunes and didn't see any bulk discounts. The gift cards are for a set amount of money to spend at itunes, not a certain number of songs. I would assume the give-a-aways are these gift cards. Besides, it would be in Apple's interest to value it as high as possible so they can get the reverse of what the winner will get - a write-off.

    6. Re:Taxes? by Buck2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, duh

      It's somewhere on your 1040, I think line 47 or so, ah, here:

      Cash/coffee prizes/winnings (if lifetime winnings submit form Z-27 or enter $1e14, $1e14-20 if filing jointly):

      I think 1e14 is as high as the IRS' calculators can go.

      --

      As my father lik@(munch munch)... ....
    7. Re:Taxes? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look again:

      http://www.apple.com/itunes/volumesongs/

      I'd also question the actual value of the gift card for tax purposes... it's probably significantly less than $10k.

      --
      Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
    8. Re:Taxes? by jhkoh · · Score: 1

      0.20 * $14000 = $2800

      You just said the iPods were worth $3000, so I bet you could get at least $2800 for them on eBay.

      Leaving you with 10,000 free songs, and a free concert package. That's not too bad.

    9. Re:Taxes? by tomlouie · · Score: 1

      Mod the parent up. This is a serious concern. From the Apple fime print:

      Section 2: Total approx. retail value of Grand Prize: U.S. $15,385 to $18,385.
      Section 9: Taxes. All taxes associated with the receipt or use of the prizes are the sole responsibility of each winner.

      Assuming 20% tax, that's over $3,000 you'll need to pony up to the feds. Ouch.

      Tom

    10. Re:Taxes? by Dav3K · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't owe the IRS jack shit. Contest winnings in Canada are tax free.

    11. Re:Taxes? by Goobermunch · · Score: 1

      But you forget the critical key point. I don't have to pay that money until April of 2006. Oh, and I've got a great opportunity to flip some of my iPods and free songs to cover any discrepancy. --AC

    12. Re:Taxes? by 13bPower · · Score: 1

      I'd say ebay those tickets for coldplay. Not having to see coldplay and getting free stuff. Best of both worlds.

    13. Re:Taxes? by Zone-MR · · Score: 1

      Sell 20% of your prize then, and you've still got a good deal :)

    14. Re:Taxes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(Total approx. retail value of Grand Prize: U.S. $15,385 to $18,385)"

      Looks like it may even be more than that for taxes, and who wants to pay the taxes on 10 ipods, no matter how small?

    15. Re:Taxes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't win jack shit either, as it's American only.

    16. Re:Taxes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this contest is for iPods and songs. Jack Shit is not the prize... is he?

      Is that even legal? ;-]

    17. Re:Taxes? by hacker · · Score: 1
      Oh, and I've got a great opportunity to flip some of my iPods and free songs to cover any discrepancy

      You still have to pay the tax on the original iPods you receive, and also the taxes when you sell them to others. You can't just pass that on. That's like buying a car, not paying the taxes on it and selling it a month later and rolling the sale price into the taxes you pay (not to mention the taxes your town will require for parking it on your property until you sell it, and then the interstate transport and conveyance taxes when you receive it and again when you sell it).

      Ironically, the whole reason this country was created, was to get rid of senseless taxes and now look... taxes on everything except oxygen.

    18. Re:Taxes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess he's joking, since all non-Americans know that from "Day of the Tentacle".

    19. Re:Taxes? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      What's magic? Songs cost 99 cents each, so 10,000 songs cost $9,900 exactly. End of story.

    20. Re:Taxes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      9. Taxes. All taxes associated with the receipt or use of the prizes are the sole responsibility of each winner. Apple reserves the right to withhold any taxes as required by applicable law. All prizes will be awarded (other than prizes withheld for tax purposes as required by applicable law) and are not transferable. No substitutions (including for cash) are permitted, but Apple reserves the right to substitute a prize of equal or greater monetary value to the prizes if for any reason any prize cannot be awarded as contemplated in these rules.

    21. Re:Taxes? by LuxFX · · Score: 1

      taxes on everything except oxygen

      Try telling that to anybody who needs oxygen, medically (emphysema patients, etc.). Those tanks aren't free.

      --
      Punctanym: alternate spelling of words using punctuation or numerals in place of some or all of its letters; see 'leet'
    22. Re:Taxes? by earthbound+kid · · Score: 1

      An album of 11+ songs can still only cost $9.99.

    23. Re:Taxes? by Yo+Grark · · Score: 1

      Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

      the last time we said "HAHA you american's, we can legally do X in Canada" the CAD arms of the MPAA and RIAA lobbied to change our laws...and WON!

      Yo Grark

      --
      Canadian Bred with American Buttering
    24. Re:Taxes? by peetola · · Score: 1

      If Starbucks gives me a free lifetime supply of coffee, do I owe them 20% of $infinity?

      we all should know that 20% of $Infinity is $NaN...

    25. Re:Taxes? by shekel · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the guy they interviewed on the Daily Show who happened to be at the Oprah show with his wife when they both got free cars. He was complaining about the taxes. Boo hoo. Sell one of the cars to pay the taxes on the other (and have some $ left over). Figure it out Mr. Grinch.

      Can't pay the taxes on a stack of free ipods? Sell a bunch for 50-80% of value on ebay and you'll cover that quick.

    26. Re:Taxes? by tommut · · Score: 1

      I bet you're that guy who actually reports your Use Tax for all your internet purchases. I was wondering who that was...

    27. Re:Taxes? by frinkster · · Score: 1

      Are 10,000 songs automagically worth $10k? Seriously, how is that determined? If Starbucks gives me a free lifetime supply of coffee, do I owe them 20% of $infinity?

      I know a guy that actually won a lifetime supply of chocolate bars. Perhaps that wasn't worth enough to have to pay taxes (he didn't as far as I know), but I can tell you that he now hates them and tries to give them away to anybody that visits his house.

      Giving away too much of a good thing is not necessarily a good thing.

    28. Re:Taxes? by Dav3K · · Score: 1

      Sigh... sad, but true.

      Although, I think we have that tax loophole because we take it up the arse in just about every other taxation method possible.

    29. Re:Taxes? by Yo+Grark · · Score: 1

      Actually I was referring to the latest, "it's illegal to download copyright material" ammendment going into the copyright act.

      Effectively eliminating our "I pay a tax, so I can do it" logic.

      Here's the bitch. The tax stays in, our rights just get cancelled.

      Yo Grark

      --
      Canadian Bred with American Buttering
    30. Re:Taxes? by scovetta · · Score: 1

      Where does he live? I'm sure that close to 100% of /.ers would love a chocolate bar or two or a hundred.

      --
      Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
    31. Re:Taxes? by Dav3K · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I saw that. Guess how much recordable media I plan on buying from now on? I think it is an extremely unfair levy at this point and refuse to support it with my purchasing dollars. Are we still allowed to buy a CD and rip a personal copy to get it on the ipod or is that illegal now too?

  28. Do the math by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rumor had it that they had overstocked their inventory of iPods and needed to get rid of them. Is this just a quiet way of getting rid of them through promotions and suckering people into buying songs? Sounds like it to me.

    Nah, Apple isn't that generous. They've sold something like 450M songs to date, so they still have 50M to go before they hit the 500M jackpot. One iPod for every 100K songs, and a 10 iPod mega prize adds up to only 510 give-away iPods. Apple sells a couple million iPods a year, so I don't think 510 is going to make a dent in any sort of inventory they might have.

    1. Re:Do the math by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. See my other post and associated correction

  29. no way by ArturNT · · Score: 1

    Wins IPod and tickets, sells all on Ebay. Oh god I love you Apple.

    1. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats not a bad idea.

      You could spend about $700 in albums and get around 1000 entries at the last moment and end up with about $3000 in prizes not including all the 10,000 free songs.

  30. Watch out Apple... by inkdesign · · Score: 3, Funny

    The RIAA is sure to notice any company that gives away 10,500 songs...
    ;0]

  31. Not Enough by greysky · · Score: 0, Troll
    "10 free iPods, a gold 10,000-song gift card, and 10 additional 50-song gift cards for the iPods. To top it off, the winner gets 4 first row Coldplay tickets with back-stage passes."


    All the iPods and iTunes in the world are not enough to make me willing to sit front row for Coldplay. I would be forced to stab out my eardrums out with an ice pick, rendering me unable to make use of the good prizes.

    1. Re:Not Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could still watch your music on the iTunes visualizer...

    2. Re:Not Enough by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Don't worry , you also get backstage passes .
      So after the torture you could go backstage and beat the crap out of them for destroying my pleasant memories of "rage against the machine " and soundgarden( I think that's the band with ex SG and RATM members)

      --
      The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
    3. Re:Not Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the band you refer to is called "Audioslave." Audioslave combines many of the elements that made Soundgarden and Rage great (including Tom Morello). I would hardly consider the trash that Coldplay produces to be "rock", and certainly nowhere near the caliber of music of Audioslave. I can tell by the number of similar posts that I am far from alone in this sentiment.

    4. Re:Not Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Coldplay loving moderator:

      Your shittiness of your taste in music is exceeded only by your babyish use of the moderation system to express your opinion. Please eat a dick up/lick a clit, whichever is more repellant to you. If you are bisexual, please slurp an unwiped asshole. Thank you.

  32. I think I speak for all of us out htere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I speak for all of us out there who already knew about the contest: Thanks, now a million more people know about this.

  33. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    Currently at 478 million downloads, the max amount of iPods would be about 230 (10 + 22million / 100K), but your point is valid.

    --
    Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
  34. iTunes API by Krankheit · · Score: 4, Funny

    iTunes API comprehensive?
    while (totaldownloads != 500000)
    {
    download_random_song(Mother_in_Law_Creditcard_Data _Structure);
    totaldownloads++;
    printf("Now I can havea beowulf cluster of iPods!\n");
    }

    --
    Powered by caffeine and sugar; BSD
    1. Re:iTunes API by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1
      it probably looks more like:
      set totaldownloads to 0
      repeat while totaldownloads less than 500000
      tell application "iTunes"
      purchase random song with credit card of Mother in Law
      end tell
      set totaldownloads to totaldownloads + 1
      end repeat
      --
      Why not fork?
    2. Re:iTunes API by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      This isn't thread safe. If you have multiple threads incrimenting totaldownloads, you can pass 500000 without ever hitting the conditional. Depending on the overflow behavior it will wither be a very long loop, or infinite...

      Come on, people, just because it is a joke doesn't mean it shouldn't take advantage of paralellism.

    3. Re:iTunes API by Krankheit · · Score: 1

      Actually, as this is the "Open Edition," it is not intended to be thread safe. If you need to win those iPods quick, perhaps you would be interested in our "Extreme Edition," which uses 500,000 threads.
      Pun Software, Inc. shall not be responsible for anything resulting from the use of the Extreme Edition, including but not limited to data loss, productivity loss, or bandwidth overuse fees from oc48 connection provider. This software may cause system lock ups.

      --
      Powered by caffeine and sugar; BSD
    4. Re:iTunes API by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you'd have to use Cocoa: (buysongs: is called by the rest of the app; AB refers to the Address Book API)

      #include NSiTunesAPI

      @interface MySongBuyer : NSObject
      {
      int *numSongs;
      }

      - (void)buysongs;
      @end

      @implementation MySongBuyer

      - (void)buysongs
      {
      while(numSongs 500000)
      {
      [[NSiTunesAPI MusicStore] buySongWithNumericID:[NSNumber randomNumberStart:1 end:500000] usingCreditCard:[ABInterface getValueForType:creditCard inCard:[ABInterface findCardWithValue:Mother-in-Law type:Relation]]];
      numSongs++;
      NSBeep();
      }
      }
      @end

    5. Re:iTunes API by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also has a bug in that it will

      printf("Now I can havea beowulf cluster of iPods!\n");

      500000 times, whereas you could save many CPU cycles by properly placing that instruction outside of the loop. ;)

  35. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh sure, when Apple gives away 500 million songs it's called a promotion but when I do it the RIAA gets involved.

  36. Thanks for the free advertising! by Panaphonix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's see how much this promotion would cost Apple:

    500 million / 100,000 songs = 500 winners
    500 winners * (50 songs * $0.80 per song + $100 per iPod mini) = $70,000
    Gold gift card = $8,000
    10 iPods = $1,000
    Coldplay tickets = $0 cuz Coldplay is teh suck.

    Total cost = $79,000, considerably less than a single 30-second prime time spot.

    So Apple thanks you for the free advertising on this highly read online forum!

    1. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by grungebox · · Score: 1

      10 iPods aren't $1000, it's more like $3000. But I'm just being a nitpicking prick, or nitprick, if you will. Also, saying "teh suck" is truly "teh suck." Besides, everyone here knows "teh" is spelled "t3h"

    2. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by Shazow · · Score: 1

      If we're going to pick nits, then it probably costs Apple about $4 to manufacture an ipod. (That includes the $3 they paid for your soul :D)

      - shazow

    3. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by chochos · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why the prize isn't a NIN concert instead of coldplay. I mean, the latest video is practically an ad for Apple (I don't mind, I liked the video a lot)

    4. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by DavidLeeRoth · · Score: 1

      i would pick 10 60GB ipods. who in the hell would pick 10 512 shuffles?

    5. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by guard952 · · Score: 1

      Actually, 500 million / 100,000 = 5,000!

      That means, 4999*(50*0.08+100)=$519,896

      Plus the lucky winner at the end.
      10 ipods, 10,000 tunes, tickets
      (10*100)+(.8*10000)+1000=$10,000

      = $529,896

    6. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by Bastard+Operator+Fro · · Score: 1

      I suppose that works, if you set 100,000 = 1,000,000

      --
      Shaun Nelson - Bastard Operator (From Hell / For Hire)
    7. Re:Thanks for the free advertising! by Bastard+Operator+Fro · · Score: 1

      "The Promotion begins following the downloading of the 480,000,000th iTunes song, and ends with the downloading of the 500 millionth Entry ("End Date"). Only Entries submitted in this time period will be accepted."

      actually, at 20 millions songs active in the promotion, you have 199 small winners, and one big winner, since it begins after the 480,000,000th song.

      So it's less that you figured, maybe.

      --
      Shaun Nelson - Bastard Operator (From Hell / For Hire)
  37. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

    Read the summary again. The person who downloads the 500,000,000 song wins the grand prize. At least that is how I interpret "The person who downloads the 500 millionth song wins 10 free iPods"

  38. Grammar Nazi Alert by n6kuy · · Score: 1

    It's, "whoever purchases...", not "whomever.."

    Tip: the difference between who and whom is like the difference between he and him, or she and her.

    --
    If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
    1. Re:Grammar Nazi Alert by n6kuy · · Score: 1

      Oh, wait.

      You can mode me troll...

      --
      If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
    2. Re:Grammar Nazi Alert by pla · · Score: 1

      Tip: the difference between who and whom is like the difference between he and him, or she and her.

      So, to describe the hypothetical winner in gender-specific terms, we should say "heever" or "sheever"?

      That "tip" has never made sense to me... Yes, I understand the difference between subjective and objective pronouns, but only in a very few cases where you would use "who" or "whom" could you do a drop-in replacement of "he" or "him" and have it make sense. In this particular case, you can't even use he/she/him/her in a compound interrogative pronoun at all, so how does this "classic" tip really help decide which to use?

  39. Sell 'em! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could sell 9 of them (and the Coldplay tickets too, for that matter - Ughh coldplay!:( ) and then buy a G5...

    or you could just listen to all 10 of those ipods at once!

    Me, I'd be safe from buying Birthday presents for a year or two.

  40. Okay more like $709,000 by Panaphonix · · Score: 1

    I suck at math.

    1. Re:Okay more like $709,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No its not, your math is still absurd.

      first off theres only 220 winners, not 500 (err 5000 if you redo your math)

      Thats 220 * ($40 song cost + $100 ipod mini cost) = $30,800

      Grand Prize: $8,000 song + $1,000 ipods + $1,000 tickets

      Total cost to apple is roughly between $40,000 and $44,000

  41. I love the way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... contests are used as a way for those in the 'have'-stance of controlling interest in a product in the 'have-not's. "Hey, if you put our inane message, 'ClearChannelFM is the mostest bestest non-monopolistic FM conglomerateStation in the northern globosphere!!!11' on your answering machine, and we call you, you're going to win an all expenses paid trip to Blowjobland where you'll listen to nothing but shitty music and never receive a blowjob!" in the meantime, all the people who fall for it, or buy their product, or ("I am a Consumer Whore!" "And how!") are just playing into their hands, advertising for them.

    That's right. I'm going to be first in line to buy songs just so I have a chance at being given a gift by the people that control my very being. I love me, and I love free stuff, because it really is free. Nobody had to work to make it, and I deserve free stuff, because corporations are nice and like the pander to my whim.

    I buy now.

  42. IRS is the real winner by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone seems to be forgetting that this prize package will be considered income to the winner's federal government. I'm an ignorent american, so I can't speak for other countires, but I'm fairly sure that if an american wins, Apple will file the proper paperwork with the IRS... pretty soon the $9900+iPods+concert trip ~= $15000 "free" prize package is going to cost the "winner" almost $5000 in income taxes.

    If I won, I would have to forefit the prize because there is NO WAY I could afford to pay the taxes on it.

    Now, if Apple were to be giving away a car, I could at least borrow money to pay the taxes, then sell the car to pay off the loan, and keep the balance for myself. There's not much I can do with $9900 of "free" music.

    Bastards. I hope this leads to an iTunes boycott.

    1. Re:IRS is the real winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I hope this leads to an iTunes boycott."

      Uhm. I think you should be writing to the IRS and/or other government agencies, not boycotting iTunes. I'm not an iTunes fanboy, as the matter of fact, I've never downloaded a single song off iTunes and I don't plan to, I just don't really think they're the ones at fault here.

    2. Re:IRS is the real winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you're a reasonably Liberal american, move north. For the rest of the world this is a perfectly good contest. Maybe it's time to blame your government not Apple.

    3. Re:IRS is the real winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRS is a loser, period. check out GiveMeLiberty.org for more info and join the historic lawsuit

  43. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0, Redundant
    From Apple:

    To celebrate, the purchaser of every 100,000th song until we sell 500 million will receive an iPod mini and a 50-song gift card. If you're the one, you get to choose the color. (And the 50 songs.)

    500 million songs on the iTunes Music Store marks a dramatic acceleration of the purchase of legally downloadable music on the Internet. And the music fan who purchases that song will receive a prize that's just as dramatic -- 10 iPods for yourself and family or friends (choose from any model iPod, iPod mini, iPod U2, or iPod shuffle); a gold 10,000-song gift card for the music store; 10 additional 50-song gift cards to go with those iPods; and a trip for you and three guests to see Coldplay on its current tour, with front-row seats (subject to availability), and "back-stage" passes for a meet n' greet with the band (guaranteed availability).

    In total 230 iPods will be given away. The grand prize winner gets 10 iPods (any combination). Every 100,000th song purchaser wins an iPod mini.

    --
    Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
  44. AudioBooks by ari_j · · Score: 1

    iTunes Music Store also sells audiobooks, but sadly not for 99-cents per "song." I wonder if the gift cards are good for audiobooks.

  45. I don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I never win anything anyway. Hell, I can't even get MOD points and look how they give those away.

    1. Re:I don't care... by SimonShine · · Score: 1
      > I never win anything anyway. Hell, I can't even get MOD points and look how they give those away.


      Did it occur to you that you might have to sign up in order to get mod points, anonymous coward?

      --
      Take off every 'ZIG' !!
    2. Re:I don't care... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      That's no sure way either, I didn't get any for over 3 years now.

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  46. Date me, win an ipod! by XaXXon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can just see the personal ad now:

    Go on a date with me, win an ipod.

    1. Re:Date me, win an ipod! by Agent_OO7 · · Score: 1

      always aim higher.. a date + whatever you want for an ipod..

    2. Re:Date me, win an ipod! by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can just see the personal ad now: Go on a date with me, win an ipod.

      I wonder if you have to complete a certain amount of "offers".

    3. Re:Date me, win an ipod! by beaverbrother · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or even better: 1. Date Me 2. Refer 5 friends to do the same 3. Get a free ipod. Oh, yes the pyramid dating scheme.

    4. Re:Date me, win an ipod! by aude_sapere · · Score: 1

      gives a whole new meaning to spam

    5. Re:Date me, win an ipod! by bprime · · Score: 0

      I'd hit it.

    6. Re:Date me, win an ipod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that would actually be useful :)

  47. Maybe I missed the point but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I had an ipod, why would I want another one?

    Do they really expect to tweak sales with such a lame promotion?

    Although giving away a G5 is a good idea, most people that would clamor for such a thing already have one, as well as a Jetta, a Yoga tape from Bread and Circus and Bono to record the greeting on your answering machine.

    I think a summer of concerts at a local venue for the winner might be a better prize. After all it's about the music... right?

  48. Come on, its enough. by Post · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Admittedly, the iPod is a sweet little audio player with a clever store concept behind it.

    But putting this kind of story on /. is just free advertising for Steve & Co. We are not talking about new products or services here, folks. We are talking about shopping at SteveWorld to earn a few bonus points should we be so lucky to be counted as customer # 490000.

    There are dozens of great (DRM-free) audio players out there. I cannot see why we should high-five every little stunt from Apple's marketing department on a site devoted to innovation and cool stuff.

    1. Re:Come on, its enough. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      Probably because those dozens of great audio players aren't as innovative or cool as the iPod (and it's next four generations of kin)

  49. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Insightful

    talk about full of crap.

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  50. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

    Also from Apple:
    How You Win. Winners will be determined by the order of the Entries received. One (1) iPod mini/50-song card Prize will be awarded for each Entry sent immediately following the 480,099,999th song downloaded, until iTunes reaches its 500 millionth Entry (i.e., one (1) iPod mini/50-song card Prize will be given away for the 480,100,000th Entry, 480,200,000th Entry, ... 499,900,000th Entry).
    So it only starts giving away once it hits 481 million songs. This amounts to 199 (for each 100K) + 10 (for the grand prize).

  51. very ignorant by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm an ignorent american

    In fact, I'm so ignorent that I misspelled "ignorant".
    I think it's time for a break...

    1. Re:very ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do need a break - you didn't pick up on the tautology "I'm an".

  52. Taxes? by RickPartin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I win the free 10,000 songs that works out to roughly a $10,000 value. Do I have to pay taxes on it?

  53. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

    And by 481 million, I clearly mean 480,100,000

  54. slashdot news for nerds by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    ..and marketing for apple

  55. All that wonderful stuff... by NJVil · · Score: 1

    and four Coldplay tickets too?

    Hot damn! Sign me up!

  56. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly.

    -Anonymous CowHeart

  57. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by super_ogg · · Score: 1

    You guys are nerds. Put away that HP... find a girlfriend (or boyfriend if you swing that way... not like there's anything wrong with it).
    ogg

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  58. Is your scroll bar broken? by Senjutsu · · Score: 1

    From TFA:

    500 Millionth Download Promotion
    Official Rules - US

    1. NO PURCHASE NECESSARY.

    1. Re:Is your scroll bar broken? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      So they say NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. But if the winner is defined as the person who makes the 500 Millionth download, then it's a pretty meaningless statement.

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  59. Sell the songs on ebay by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    You can probably sell the 10,000 song card on ebay for pretty close to $10,000 which should easily cover your tax bill.

    1. Re:Sell the songs on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who actually wants 10,000 songs? Given an average of 3 minutes per song it would take you 3 weeks to listen to them all once, assuming you didn't sleep. If I had it, it'd certainly take me years to collect that amount of songs even if I downloaded songs on a whim and didn't consider whether I like them or not. I doubt anybody would pay more than $5000 for that song card, and I think even that is being optimistic.

    2. Re:Sell the songs on ebay by tepples · · Score: 1

      Who actually wants 10,000 songs?

      A DJ, possibly. Radio stations that play popular music already subscribe to licenses from ASCAP, SESAC, and BMI to play the songs on the air provided that they own a lawfully made phonorecord of the recording. The iTunes Music Store is a cheap way of getting a lawfully made copy of just the single without the filler (yes, even CD singles have filler).

    3. Re:Sell the songs on ebay by kmcneely · · Score: 1

      Even at 11-12 tracks per disc, that works out to about 850 cds worth of music. Go count the number of cds in your collection (trust me, there's more there than you think there is), and tell me that there aren't TONS of people out there that would (or would want to) own 850.

    4. Re:Sell the songs on ebay by Pollardito · · Score: 1
      Who actually wants 10,000 songs
      i hate to say this, because i have an ipod and i like itunes/itms, but it seems like the fact that 10000 songs is the capacity of their product and they're trumpeting the fact that a 10000 song prize is a big deal, aren't they sort of advertising for the napster argument that subscriptions are a better deal?
    5. Re:Sell the songs on ebay by toddestan · · Score: 1

      You can probably sell the 10,000 song card on ebay for pretty close to $10,000 which should easily cover your tax bill.

      I doubt that. I would rather have $1000 in my pocket than 10,000 songs from iTMS.

  60. ugh by kuzb · · Score: 1

    I didn't know slashdot had become a part of Apple's marketing division.

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    1. Re:ugh by imthesponge · · Score: 1

      Me neither.

  61. Re:Don't laws matter any more? by dataplaya · · Score: 1

    Purchase isn't required. Read the rules.

  62. Coldplay Tickets Are A Prize? by Cheirdal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd consider that more of a punishment if I had to sit through a Coldplay concert. Now if I could sell the tickets and passes that would be great. The rest of the prizes sound nice though.

    1. Re:Coldplay Tickets Are A Prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn you! You beat me to it.

      I was gonna write "Coldplay tickets? But what do you get if you WIN?"

    2. Re:Coldplay Tickets Are A Prize? by mei_mei_mei · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, ten iPods is probably enough to beat Coldplay to death with though...

  63. coldplay huh? by X_Caffeine · · Score: 1

    well, I suppose you could always find someone willing to trade you those tickets for a vinyl ipod carrying case or something :D

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    1. Re:coldplay huh? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      It's like that old joke about the contest in which first prize was a week in Cleveland. Second prize was two weeks in Cleveland.

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  64. Re:Don't laws matter any more? by slashrogue · · Score: 1

    If you bothered to read the contest rules, you can in fact mail-in an entry.

  65. For example: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sex has a $0 marginal cost.

  66. Re:Don't laws matter any more? by jgee242 · · Score: 0
    Actaully i think that is why you can enter for free by clicking the tell a friend in itunes and sending the email to itunes500@apple.com.
    "How To Enter. You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by: 1) downloading a song from iTunes (any free downloads will be deemed an ineligible entry); or 2) a free alternative means of sending an e-mail to Apple at itunes500@apple.com via the iTunes "Tell a Friend" feature (a song download or Tell a Friend e-mail will be deemed an "Entry(ies)"). The "Tell a Friend" feature can be easily accessed at iTunes by selecting a song, and clicking the "Tell a Friend" link that is displayed for that song. One Entry will be automatically submitted for each song downloaded or Tell a Friend e-mail sent. The Promotion begins following the downloading of the 480,000,000th iTunes song, and ends with the downloading of the 500 millionth Entry ("End Date"). Only Entries submitted in this time period will be accepted."
    Quoted from Official US rules
  67. Re:Don't laws matter any more? by rehannan · · Score: 1

    Read the rules dingus. No purchase is necessary.

  68. The only thing evil about the iPod... by James+A.+D.+Joyce · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...is how much it sucks. How the hell can it keep selling at such inflated prices?

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    1. Re:The only thing evil about the iPod... by ksb · · Score: 1

      Because people buy them at those prices.

  69. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by damiam · · Score: 1

    The grandparent read correctly. Apple gives away 10 iPods (the grand prize) plus 22million/100K = 220 iPod minis, one for each 100000 song purchaser. That's 230 iPods total.

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  70. Free iTunes downloads! by n6kuy · · Score: 1



    Unused Pepsi codes:

    ZKBEN E36K3,
    N4CRN EHOGL,
    R4R3X KM3JN, and
    LQ3OY H9MXL.

    Be the first to cash these in! Maybe you'll win free Coldplay tickets to boot!

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    1. Re:Free iTunes downloads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man I just hacked this noob for his 4 unused pepsi codes. Yea, this guy didn't know the first thing about anything.

  71. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also, beware of iTunes and using your credit card for it. I know a number of people who had their credit cards stolen through iTunes. I wouldn't take that risk and rather use any good P2P software.

    Exactly. Why let some no name steal your credit card number when you can have the RIAA sue you AND infest your computer with a multitude of trojans and spyware!

    It's all about return on investment people.

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  72. Free ipod by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

    Want a free ipod? Click here.

  73. Re:Don't laws matter any more? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

    NO Purchase necessary (unless you wish to enter the competition) , Odds of winning mathematically insignificant (read the back of your ticket)

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  74. This is a lottery and unlawfulb in most states. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tying a prize to a purchase is OK as long as there is an equal odds 'no purchase necessary' option. I don't see how they can do this with winning so intimately tied to a purchase.

  75. "Prize" == right to buy at RETAIL*(Your Tax Rate) by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    Yes - when you win a prize (unless otherwise enhanced with cash to pay the taxes) really works out to the equivalent of the right to buy whatever you won, at your tax rate.

    If you are a poor slob who pays (almost) no taxes, the prize is more valuable than it is to a high wage earner. For example, if a well-off California citizen won the prize, they would have to pay about $4300 in taxes, assuming a 33% federal rate, and 9% for California.

    Your milage may vary - I've heard some places (Canada?) don't tax "prizes".

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  76. What's coldplay? by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 1

    An iPod with integrated freezer?

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    1. Re:What's coldplay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a lame-ass british band.

  77. No purchase necessary by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it'd just be following the law. In the United States, giveaways like this have to be on a "no purchase necessary" basis so as not to run afoul of federal and state gambling laws.

  78. Lame offer. pay $100 grand, get free iPod+50 tunes by geekee · · Score: 1

    Let's do the math. To guarantee an iPod mini and 50 free songs, you need to buy a block of 100K songs, which costs about $100K. An iPod mini is worth at most $250, and 50 songs is worth about $50. So your net gain is 0.3%. It's sad that these types of promos actually get people to buy more stuff.

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  79. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    Also, beware of iTunes and using your credit card for it. I know a number of people who had their credit cards stolen through iTunes.

    I know a number of people who posted lies as Anonymous Cowards and had their testicles explode. Absolute, unimpeachable fact, my friend.

    I wouldn't be playing so fast and loose with the boys if I were you, AC.

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  80. Is this an infomercial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps Slashdot editors got an iPod each for running this ad

  81. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by tfoss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really? A friend of mine told me that this guy once used iTunes and woke up in a bathtub of ice without one kidney.

    -Ted

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  82. Bloat: iTunes vs. Winamp by tepples · · Score: 1

    And as for the bloatware charge, iTunes doesn't have a lot of useless features; in fact, most users will complain about something that's missing (e.g. gapless playback, user-defined tags, etc.) before they'll complain of bloat. How is it bloatware?

    The iTunes software takes longer to load than Winamp, it uses more RAM than Winamp (forcing 4.5-year-old 0.125 GiB machines such as mine to hit the swap file more often), and it has two memory-resident services called iPodService and iTunesHelper that, unlike Winamp Agent, can't be turned off from within the program's options without an uninstall.

    1. Re:Bloat: iTunes vs. Winamp by YomikoReadman · · Score: 1

      I don't know how much space they take up on your system, but on mine it's not even 1meg combined. Hardly bloatware, by any definition. As for iTunes taking longer to load/being more system intensive than Winamp, I've found the only reasoning behind that on my system is that I use the Winamp Agent, so it stays loaded in memory. When I turn it off, it's about the same.

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  83. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by bigNewfy · · Score: 1

    It seems everyone is giving away Ipods.. even me!

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  84. Give away MACs by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    Most of the people using iTunes probably already have the iPod, so why not convert them to MAC while your at it?

    A free iMac would be cool.

    As for the free 10K songs, it looks really nice but isn't all that practical. I have nearly 3000 songs on my iPod as it is and it already is unwieldy. I guess you could just start clicking whole albums, of which you would need a 1000 of them just to burn through the gift. In all its a great marketing ploy as they can figure most of that gift will never be used especially if they attach an expiration date to the reward.

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    1. Re:Give away MACs by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 1

      That's what they did the last time, actually, when they held a similar contest for the count-up to the 100,000,000th song purchase. The winner got 10,000 songs, a custom-engraved 40 GB iPod (the top of the line model at the time), and a 17" PowerBook. As it turned out, the winner was already a Mac guy, so it didn't "convert" him, but I'm sure winning one single Mac convert wouldn't have been as big a deal as the mindshare obtained by the whole promo anyway.

  85. Re:Lame offer. pay $100 grand, get free iPod+50 tu by mentalflossboy · · Score: 1

    Well, and then you'd have 100K songs sitting around for you to listen to on your new $100K iPod.

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  86. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by richdun · · Score: 1

    Giving away? I thought each song on iTunes was for 99 cents when purchased individually, and most albums at $9.99? Only songs given away were the ones through Pepsi, 7-11, and the previous countdown to 100 million songs (and some others, I'm sure).

  87. Also, an iPod Flea! by antdude · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the upcoming Apple iPod Flea.

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  88. Enter FREE online : No Purchase Necessary. by ayeco · · Score: 4, Informative

    NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. - but you still need itunes .

    How To Enter. You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by: 1) downloading a song from iTunes (any free downloads will be deemed an ineligible entry); or 2) a free alternative means of sending an e-mail to Apple at itunes500@apple.com via the iTunes "Tell a Friend" feature (a song download or Tell a Friend e-mail will be deemed an "Entry(ies)"). The "Tell a Friend" feature can be easily accessed at iTunes by selecting a song, and clicking the "Tell a Friend" link that is displayed for that song. One Entry will be automatically submitted for each song downloaded or Tell a Friend e-mail sent. The Promotion begins following the downloading of the 480,000,000th iTunes song, and ends with the downloading of the 500 millionth Entry ("End Date"). Only Entries submitted in this time period will be accepted.

  89. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I heard that there was this EE who was eating at a diner. And when some dude forgot the convolution integral the EE killed the whole town. http://www.rpi.edu/~harmsj/RUPEE/

  90. 10000 free songs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does iTunes actually have 10000 quality songs that people would want to download? I browsed some of those songs. I did not like many of them.

  91. Is it retarded in here or is it just you? by Senjutsu · · Score: 1, Troll

    Just click the goddamn link and read the rules. The winner is defined as the 500 millionth entry (with the counter starting at 480,000,000), with each entry generated by either buying a song or using, FOR FREE, the iTMS "refer a friend" feature to refer a song to itunes500@apple.com.

  92. A counter... by rmart · · Score: 1

    ...is right on the front page at www.apple.com.

  93. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the winner of the RIAA contest gets 4 front row tickets to an Ashlee Simpson concert. Much more painful than a beheading.

  94. Don't bother - its a scam by Hamburglr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last year the counter was so far behind that people were fooled into buying songs long after the possibility to win was actually there. They had contacted the winner, given him his prize, and gotten pictures of him w/ it days before their webpage counter hit its target.

    1. Re:Don't bother - its a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.
      Mods, this is a troll

    2. Re:Don't bother - its a scam by timmerk15 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's right. I remember I tried winning, and the minute the counter said 100 million songs or whatever the number was, a page went up on apple.com with the winner with quotes from him and pictures of him.

      Hard to belive that Apple could have contacted him, gave him his prize, interviewed him, took photos of him, create a webpage with it all, and post it on apple.com in 30 seconds.

      You know, some of us watched Apple before slashdot decided to love Apple.

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  95. The Ploy by ChilyMack · · Score: 1

    So, couldn't someone:

    1. Post an EBay auction advertising 9 iPods, three tickets to Coldplay, and a 10,000 song gift card for the buy-it-now of $6,000
    2. Set up a shopping cart on the iTunes music store with 2,000 songs in it
    3. Download iTunes Estimater
    4. Wait until it's within 2,000 songs of 500,000,000
    5. Purchase the whole cart load (thus being guaranteed the 500,000,000 songs)
    6. End up with over $3,000, a front-row ticket to see Coldplay, and an iPod?

    Hmmmmmmmmm.....

    1. Re:The Ploy by Xoo · · Score: 1

      Damn you ChillyMack... damn you...

      /goes back to scheming...

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  96. PRIZES!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was totally about to sign up, but then I saw that they give you coldplay tickets... fuck that...

  97. the real question is.. by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

    how many ipods the /. editor gets for yet another shameless itunes plug. i guess we'll see endless dupes until the contest ends.

  98. The person who downloads the 500 millionth song... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wins 10 free iPods...

    He/She can still only be killed for them once however

  99. Free Song of the Week by ta+ma+de · · Score: 1

    I hope that the grand prize goes to someone that just downloads the free song of the week. That would be awesome.

  100. Re:Is this verifying a rumor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about a beastfriend if you swing that way.. not like there's anything wrong with it. or a necrofried if you swing that way

  101. That's a mighty big prize... by JPortal · · Score: 1

    Seriously. That's like, a lot.

  102. So where's it at now? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Is there a counter or something similar where you can see the current download count. It'd be interesting to see how fast it changes...

    1. Re:So where's it at now? by kc0re · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the front page of http://www.apple.com/ Apple.com

  103. Only 6 months? by Phoenixhunter · · Score: 1

    Lucky bastard.

  104. No Purchase Necessary by prickeke · · Score: 0, Redundant

    # How To Enter. You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by: 1) downloading a song from iTunes (any free downloads will be deemed an ineligible entry); or 2) a free alternative means of sending an e-mail to Apple at itunes500@apple.com via the iTunes "Tell a Friend" feature (a song download or Tell a Friend e-mail will be deemed an "Entry(ies)"). The "Tell a Friend" feature can be easily accessed at iTunes by selecting a song, and clicking the "Tell a Friend" link that is displayed for that song. One Entry will be automatically submitted for each song downloaded or Tell a Friend e-mail sent. The Promotion begins following the downloading of the 480,000,000th iTunes song, and ends with the downloading of the 500 millionth Entry ("End Date"). Only Entries submitted in this time period will be accepted.

  105. Subscription services are the future, not iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subscription services are the future not iTunes. $4.99/month for all the music you can listen to on Yahoo Unlimited. Its a little more for the other players (Rhapsody, Napster), but they may drop their prices to remain competitive, especially once Microsoft rolls out their unlimited program.

    Granted at the end of the day, you don't own the music with a music subscription service, but it gives you the freedom to sample so much stuff, and you can always buy the stuff you really want.

    Apple might try to come out with a subscription program, but it might not be compatible with existing iPods, which will piss people off for sure. Best case is a firmware upgrade.

  106. Stupid price by houghi · · Score: 1

    If I download, I already have an iPod, otherwise I would not download. So why would I need a second iPod?

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    1. Re:Stupid price by Jens_UK · · Score: 1

      It's very possible to have iTunes and no iPod and have obtained music from iTunes. I used my Mountain Dew caps before I ever got my shuffle. Granted, it may be unlikely.

  107. Am I missing something here? by ashchap2 · · Score: 1
    or do apple think the US has taken over the world?
    4. Eligibility. In order to be eligible, entrants must be 13 years of age or older, and a legal resident of one of the 50 United States, including Washington, D.C., Austria, Belgium, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or the United Kingdom.
    1. Re:Am I missing something here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing something.You should parse that as "a legal resident of one of: the 50 United States (including Washington, D.C.), Austria, Belgium, ..."

    2. Re:Am I missing something here? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      You should parse that as

      That's not what the judge would say. You "shouldn't" anything. What it says is what it says. Hmph, when did THIS invasion happen...?

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  108. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by geezusfreeek · · Score: 1

    So, you had a couple run-ins with faulty iPods and you feel the need to anonymously discredit Apple by making up crap about stolen credit card numbers in iTunes? If this is any indication about how you think, then I can still rest assured that all sane people prefer iPods. To troll-hunters: the last sentence is a joke.

  109. Why? Because... by presidentbeef · · Score: 1

    Because that means 10 more people (you probably already have one, right?) to buy songs from them!

    Amazing

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  110. What I would do.. by bmantz65 · · Score: 1

    I would sell the nine other iPod's, I know people still would defiantly want one or two. Then maybe I would sell the iTune song card since I don't use iTunes anyway and never plan to. If they designed this promotion to get me to switch over or join iTunes, it failed.

  111. Have you tried AllOfMP3.com? by Danger+Stevens · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sounds like you want http://www.allofmp3.com/. They're just like iTunes except:
    1) They charge by the amount transferred
    2) They're ten times cheaper
    3) They let you choose what kind of encoding you want
    4) They're technically legal (thanks to Russia's "mandatory licensing" laws)
    5) If you use it you piss of the RIAA.

    If you run Windows they even have a client that's not unlike iTunes. Other OSes will need to use their web interface.

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    1. Re:Have you tried AllOfMP3.com? by Nugget · · Score: 1

      I'm not comfortable using allofmp3. Even if they are technically legal, I feel that it's only via a loophole which I do not feel is appropriate to exploit. While they may fall within the letter of the law, I don't believe that allofmp3 operates within the spirit of the law.

      I have no interest in pissing off the RIAA, so number 5 is hardly an endorsement to me.

    2. Re:Have you tried AllOfMP3.com? by Senjutsu · · Score: 4, Informative

      They were only ever possibly technically legal in Russia (those madatory licensing laws don't give the rights for world wide distribution, as the Russian rights holders for the works do not hold the copy rights for the works in other jurisdictions), and even there, Moscow Police & the City Prosecutor have concluded that they are violating Russian law, as those same mandatory licensing laws are not held to cover online distribution. However, as it is a civil matter, the individual rights holders are going to need to file suit against the company.

      In short, I have very little desire to give my credit card information to a Russian outfit that is violating both international and local Russian laws.

    3. Re:Have you tried AllOfMP3.com? by flosofl · · Score: 2, Informative

      In short, I have very little desire to give my credit card information to a Russian outfit that is violating both international and local Russian laws.

      Then just get a disposable debit card at your bank. Mine offers them with no fee. A $10 debit card costs $10 (not $11.00 like a gift-cheque would). I can get one as low as $5 and up to $500.

      There are also credit card companies that offer disposable one-use CC numbers for on-line use. Just tell them how much of your available credit you want, and they make a CC number with that limit attched. After it's used, it's no longer valid.

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    4. Re:Have you tried AllOfMP3.com? by Senjutsu · · Score: 1

      I really don't care about the payment method, aside from mentioning that giveing Russian criminals access to credit card numbers seemed silly.

      I have no intention of paying money for an illegal service. If legality isn't being offered, I'd rather just use one of the umpteen billion free music downloading tools.

  112. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So true. I knew this one guy who bought an IPod. Ten years later BANG!! - Herpies.

  113. MOD PARENT UP! by bleaknik · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Taco's Right! Coldplay sucks! (also never heard 'em)

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    Deja Vu
    n. 1. The sensation that you've read this very article before.
  114. Why buy? by mblase · · Score: 1

    From their HOW TO ENTER: apparently, you can enter and qualify by using their "tell a friend" feature for any particular song and sending it to itunes500@apple.com. Just click on the countdown timer at the top of the iTMS homepage and scroll down to the rules at the bottom of the page for more specifics (and someone tell me if I'm reading this thing wrong).

    IIRC, there are laws in the US that say you can't require a purchase in order to enter a sweepstakes, and while free song-of-the-week are specified as ineligible for winning, this seems to be their way of complying.

  115. Predictor by ChrisDolan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wrote a simple Perl program that extrapolates when each of the upcoming 100,000 songs will be purchased. It's probably quite wrong, but it was fun to write. I posted the code and the results in my blog. To sum up, my program predicts number 500 million will be at Fri Jul 15 05:09:29 2005 CDT (US/Central time)

    1. Re:Predictor by ndvaughan · · Score: 1

      Here's a java version (you have to manually fix "externa l_counter" by making it "external_counter" - Slashdot mucks it up). This just approximates the next time it will reach a multiple of 100000, not looking into the future too far (it would be pretty inaccurate after the first few, anyway):

      import org.w3c.dom.Document;
      import org.w3c.dom.NodeList;
      import javax.xml.parsers.DocumentBuilderFactory;
      import javax.xml.parsers.DocumentBuilder;
      import java.util.Date;
      import java.text.SimpleDateFormat;

      public class Main {
      public static void main(String[] args){
      DocumentBuilderFactory factory = DocumentBuilderFactory.newInstance();

      try {
      DocumentBuilder builder = factory.newDocumentBuilder();
      Document doc = builder.parse("http://www.apple.com/itunes/externa l_counter.xml");
      NodeList list = doc.getElementsByTagName("count");

      //get current count/time info
      Integer currCount = new Integer(list.item(0).getFirstChild().getNodeValue( ));
      String currTimestamp = (String) list.item(0).getAttributes().getNamedItem("timesta mp").getNodeValue();
      SimpleDateFormat sdf = new SimpleDateFormat("EEE, dd MMM yyyy H:mm:ss z");
      Date currDate = sdf.parse(currTimestamp);

      //get pre count/time info
      Integer preCount = new Integer(list.item(1).getFirstChild().getNodeValue( ));
      String preTimestamp = (String) list.item(1).getAttributes().getNamedItem("timesta mp").getNodeValue();
      Date preDate = sdf.parse(preTimestamp);

      Date nextDate = getNextWinningTime(preDate, preCount, currDate, currCount);

      System.out.println(
      "currCount: " + currCount + "\n" +
      "preCount: " + preCount + "\n" +
      "currDate: " + currDate + "\n" +
      "preDate: " + preDate + "\n" +
      "Next Winning Time: " + nextDate);

      } catch (Exception e) {
      e.printStackTrace();
      }
      }
      private static Date getNextWinningTime(Date date1, Integer count1, Date date2, Integer count2) {
      //every 100,000 is a winner
      //calculate count/time
      int countDiff = count2.intValue() - count1.intValue();
      long timeDiff = date2.getTime() - date1.getTime();
      //Date currentTime = new Date();
      //double countPerTime = countDiff * 1.0 / timeDiff;
      double timePerCount = timeDiff / countDiff;
      //get next 100,000
      int nextWinningCount = (int) (Math.ceil(count2.intValue() / 100000.0) * 100000) ;
      int countTillWinner = nextWinningCount - count2.intValue();
      //timeTillWinner = (timeDiff / countDiff) * countTillWinner
      long timeTillWinner = Math.round(timePerCount * countTillWinner);
      //add to current time
      Date nextWinningTime = new Date(date2.getTime() + timeTillWinner);
      return nextWinningTime;
      }
      }

  116. This contest is impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is impossible that the person purshasing the 500th million song will win this contest.

    Technically, it doesn't have to take 500 million downloads to select the winner. As others have pointed out you can enter this contest for free by sending an email via the "tell a friend" feature.

    If there are eligible email entries, at the time the winner is selected the number of downloaded songs has to be less than 500 million. Hence this contest is impossible.

    1. Re:This contest is impossible! by ashchap2 · · Score: 1

      i was wondering aobut that too, does a free entry by email count as a downloaded song? how could the 500millionth song downloaded be an email?!

    2. Re:This contest is impossible! by ndvaughan · · Score: 1

      When the 499,999,999th song is purchased, the next "entry" will win, whether that is a download or an email. I believe that's how it works.

    3. Re:This contest is impossible! by ndvaughan · · Score: 1

      I replied to your child's post, but the same applies: Email entries don't count for downloads, but they are eligible to win. After very 99,999th download, the next "entry" will win, whether that is a download or an email. So, technically, the 100,000th download will not win if someone emailed right before them.

  117. mod parent up by nothings · · Score: 1

    summary is wrong: the rules explain the promotion doesn't start until 480,100,000, so only 200 (actually 199) iPod minis.

  118. Re:You know you're right for /. by botzi · · Score: 1

    ...when you read the above post and need about 30 seconds to realize that $infinity is not an undeclared var....

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  119. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    Yeah but that was after he watched X-Files in the dark with a big X taped on his window.

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  120. I've already done that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, you meant the first 500 million'th legally downloaded song.

  121. ITMS Australia by Internet+Ninja · · Score: 1

    oh ITMS Australia. Where for art thou ITMS Australia.

    *mutter*

  122. Re:iRiver is better than iPod, iTunes = high risk by patio11 · · Score: 1

    He immediately thought "Dang, the least the bastards who put me in this bathtub of ice could have done is compensated me for the hypothermia by leaving me a nice, warm kidney to play with".

  123. SWEET!!! Free iPods! by nighthawk127127 · · Score: 0

    Finally I have a better way of getting one for free (see sig, which I get endless grief about)
    lol

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  124. How many so far by Cronos1388 · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know how to check the statistics and see what they're at so far.

  125. Just say no... by sdo1 · · Score: 1

    ... to DRM'd music! Seriously people. The way to stop digital restrictions management from crippling the media you buy is to NOT BUY IT unless it's free and in the clear with NO DRM.

    -S

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  126. Guys! by fbartho · · Score: 1

    You're all on crack. Either the article title is wrong, you guys speak french, or you can't count, but in english, 500 million = 500,000,000 Not 500,000 which is (cinq-cents mille)

    My guess is that you just wrote up an "infinite" loop until the counter overflows its way back up to five-hundred thousand

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  127. Couldn't resist... by babble123 · · Score: 2, Funny
    To top it off, the winner gets 4 first row Coldplay tickets with back-stage passes.

    Second place gets 8 first row Coldplay tickets with back-stage passes.

  128. Bleh by StikyPad · · Score: 1
    4GB iPod minis.

    On the bright side (emphasis mine):
    How To Enter. You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by: 1) downloading a song from iTunes (any free downloads will be deemed an ineligible entry); or 2) a free alternative means of sending an e-mail to Apple at itunes500@apple.com via the iTunes "Tell a Friend" feature (a song download or Tell a Friend e-mail will be deemed an "Entry(ies)"). The "Tell a Friend" feature can be easily accessed at iTunes by selecting a song, and clicking the "Tell a Friend" link that is displayed for that song. One Entry will be automatically submitted for each song downloaded or Tell a Friend e-mail sent. The Promotion begins following the downloading of the 480,000,000th iTunes song, and ends with the downloading of the 500 millionth Entry ("End Date"). Only Entries submitted in this time period will be accepted.
  129. The iPod is DRM free by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You can use the iPod DRM free if you like. It's only the store - and even then there's Hymn to unlock the songs if you so wish and play them on anything that understands the AAC standard.

    I support ITMS exactly because it has DRM I know I can bypass.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  130. taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    taxes are technically unconstitutional, the 16th amendment wasn't properly ratified. so basically all the taxes you pay are actually voluntary :> damn communist america with its heavy progressive tax rates....

  131. RTFA by Dire+Bonobo · · Score: 1
    > You can't win jack shit either, as it's American only.

    If you don't try and "correct" people when you have no idea what you're talking about, you won't look foolish when that's pointed out:

    Eligibility. In order to be eligible, entrants must be 13 years of age or older, and a legal resident of one of the 50 United States, including Washington, D.C., Austria, Belgium, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or the United Kingdom.

    (Source: TFA)

    1. Re:RTFA by Harald+Paulsen · · Score: 1

      Are those european countries now considered part of the United States?

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  132. Song selection by Dire+Bonobo · · Score: 1
    > It's convenient. I can go surfing around in iTMS, find a song I want,
    > and be listening to it 20 seconds later.

    Alas, that's very close to why some of us can't use it:

    I can go surfing around in iTMS, utterly fail to find a song I want, and be listening to my CD collection 20 seconds later.

    iTunes is a spiffy idea and I'd happily use it, but I haven't even been able to use a free download I got, much less pay for additional ones. After looking for 4-6 songs on my to-get list and finding none of them on iTunes---often nothing from the bands, which get/got enough radio play that they're hardly niche---I gave up.

    Ahh, well. With the 500Mth download impending, iTunes'll eventually convince record companies to put most of their music on there. Until then, there's always the horizon-broadening cornucopia of music offered up to my ears by the competition between a large number of identical ClearChannel radio stations. Sigh...

  133. USA sure has expanded lately! by Penguin · · Score: 2, Funny

    4. Eligibility. In order to be eligible, entrants must be 13 years of age or older, and a legal resident of one of the 50 United States, including Washington, D.C., Austria, Belgium, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or the United Kingdom.

    Wow, didn't know Austria, Belgium, Canada etc. were included in the 50 United States!

    --
    - Peter Brodersen; professional nerd
    1. Re:USA sure has expanded lately! by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      Wow, didn't know Austria, Belgium, Canada etc. were included in the 50 United States!

      They have been since the end of WWII. We just let them think that they're still independent. They're so cute when they're like that!

      BTW, I like how Quebec was excluded. I think someone is a bitter Expos fan.

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  134. What if ... by zdzichu · · Score: 1

    What if 500th milion song would be purchased not by using iTunes, but something other, like pymusique?

    --
    :wq
    1. Re:What if ... by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      What if there was no light?
      Nothing wrong and nothing right?
      And what if there was no time?
      And no reason or rhyme?

      --
      He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
  135. It's a live insurance by shiller · · Score: 1

    People actually kill for ipods, so with 10 ipods you can save your live 9 times and you have still an ipod.

    But seriously, I think it is meant to give the nine ipods away as gifts to your friends. Indeed, to do that you need some friends in the first place.

  136. You totally fail it, he was right, you were wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You fucking idiot.

  137. Buy when Americans are asleep. by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1
    Have any of you noticed that the song meter moves very slowly when North Americans are sleeping? I've seen it move as slow as 4 songs a second.

    The best time to buy a song with a chance of winning is during these slow times.

  138. Buy CD, load in iTunes, Give CD to Public Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IANAL, but I believe this to be legal:

    Buy the CD from Amazon.
    Upload the CD to iTunes at highest possible encoding.
    (The 128 bit songs from iTunes sound mushy and flat on high quality headphones.)
    Donate the physical CD and case to your public library.
    (It may even be tax deductable...)

    If you can do this and get 5 friends to do the same,
    The Librarian will thank you! (if she likes your music...)

    And yes, you can check out music CDs just like books and enjoy them at home...

  139. (not) wasted media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To the dedicated music fan there is rarely such a thing as "wasted media". I have talked about at length this with my (music loving) friends ... the best tracks on an album are the ones that require much time and patience to "get it". And if you rate an artist enough, you WILL put in that time and patience.

    Once you get it, you often find the they become the best tracks on the album ... its a shame that the ipod generation will miss out on this because they will simply delete the "crap" songs ...

    1. Re:(not) wasted media by Nugget · · Score: 1

      No, no, you misunderstand. I didn't mean "wasted media" in the sense that I only listened to one of the songs. I meant that when I buy a CD I rip it on to my computer and then never touch the physical disc again.

      It's wasted in the sense that the physical media is completely and totally irrelevant to me. I own dozens of CDs that I've never actually directly listened to. I listen to the ripped songs and the CDs are in a box in a closet.

      I've also got dozens of albums that I bought for a single track and have grown to love and appreciate the whole album after spending some time with it. I'm with you 100% on that angle.

  140. Re:mod points by SimonShine · · Score: 1
    I think it's a matter of keeping your karma at a positive level. I didn't do anything in specific to get some myself. I wrote a few appreciated comments to various stories and polls, but as you can see, the ratio between comments I was rated for and comments I wasn't rated for is not even something to be proud of.

    You will be able to find a lot of negative comments on Slashdot's karma system, arguing that doing certain things will improve your karma without these things necessarily being ethical. The strongest argument is writing "things people like to hear", and doing so early in the lifetime of the news entries.

    However, I don't believe you have to be this tactical to gain mod points. I have only written messages whenever I felt like it, and whenever I felt I had something more or less important to say -- whether I then succeeded in writing something sensible, and whether people even saw it, is another thing.

    Meta-moderating helps, if you have that enabled. I think your UID comes into play when deciding if you are eligible, as a percentage of the new userbase is always considered to be too new. I don't recall having been here for more than three years with this account, so I'm sure it should pop up for you once in a while. Completeing meta moderation should give you better karma -- at least, that's what appears logical to me.

    I receive mod points a few times a month for doing what I currently am doing, so unless you have done something special to get yourself blacklisted, I believe you should be able to earn them. Keep in mind that the mod points disappear after not having used them in a couple of days. I think I've wasted quite a few mod points by not going to Slashdot every single day.

    I hope this is useful to you.

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  141. Wait a second.. by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 1

    I think you forgot something vitally important here...

    4. ???
    5. Profit!

  142. Clinton Jobs in 08 by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

    Looks like Steve let his world domination plans slip.

  143. Re: Or is it just you? I know! I know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just frovingslosh. I checked around.

  144. Re: Don't bother reading parent - its a scab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modded Interesting? Are you high?

    Dear Thief of Pork Products:
    Don't be so paranoid. It will further stunt your growth. Try the free entry method. Then you won't feel robbed. What irony.

    Mom

  145. Lossless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing's lossless, not even a CD. Any of these things represent analog soundwaves by sampling them and converting those samples into digital representations of the analog source.

    CD quality is pretty decent, but there's a reason why SACD exists: it uses more data to encode the analog source, so it sounds better.

  146. Apple discount by arete · · Score: 1

    Become a student. Apple does loans. voila.

    Also, some big brick and mortar retailers that do their own loans will match Apple's student price if you simply say that's the price they have to match or you're going somewhere else. No actual studenting necessary.

    They are especially likely to offer you the discount if you buy AppleCare, which is the only extended warranty I've ever recommended but nonetheless has a very large retailer markup.

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