Well yes for 200 lines that is overkill, OC-3, or slower. I deal with developing 40 Gig shit, so I guess I forgot how much can be put on OC-12 (622).
http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/dms100 /r emotes/
That website seems to say 20 to 10,000 lines in a remote, so I don't know if they need deidicated or if the 10:1 ratio applies here for switches.
Ok the fiber could be takeing the analog signal of voice over copper and digitizing it or just leaving it analog.
99% chance it is changing it to digital.
The most likely setup is copper wire from your house to a brown/green/black box on a street corner that has 200 or so other people's copper wire running into. In this box is a remote switch (DMS-100 I believe for Nortel shit). This digitizes the voices and throws it out on an OC-12 that goes to the main switch at the CO.
So basically as I have had it explained to me, they need a way to make DSL phone company recieve equipment to fit into this very cramped street box before the signal is digitized. This has not happened, and as such many many people will not get DSL.
The province where I use to live (NB) is going to have 3 or 4 real switches for the whole province and just have remotes everywhere. This really cuts down on actually needing CO buildings where DSL service is usually provided from.
I have three systems with G200,G400, and G450 respectively. I couldn't get the game to load at all.
That might be becasue I have now learned I must run it as root for some stupid reason or it segfaults. No idea why.
Anyway I went and bought a 32 MB GEforce 2 MX and it works great. Even on a 366 dual celeron.
So honestly just buy the card, have fun, and bitch at loki for only makeing the game for one card.
As others have mentioned you can't dump even one slow 10 Gb/s channel to tape realistically.
If it does exist it most likley:
1. converts to the electrical domain
2. follows a TDMed stream of SONET frames for a few seconds from a single phone call.
3. If a certain word is found (through voice recognition) real-time action could be taken or the information could be recorded to tape.
The point is; sorting for whatever you want basically has to be done on site and in a limited way.
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umm the swaying bridge pictures are usually the windstorm ones from ~1950 Tacoma narrows (I believe). Gotta love modes in bridges. kuroshin.org logo......
Completely right. I do all my work (sims etc.) on Unix and use excel occasionally on windows. Windows software just doesn't seem to like it when I try and import 1,000,000 points and do a histogram or just plot them. oh well. gnuplot rocks.
good joke, or good troll. no real come-back here. It's a fact I can't spell english very well. Oh well if you can spell with a high accuracy in two or more languages I guess your better at expressing yourself then I am.....
time. I live 5 mins from a hospital. Ambulance takes about 4 mins or so (from what I have heard from neighbors), So insted of jumping in the van, cutting the normal trip down to 3 mins or so...I wait at least 9 mins. It just doesn't make sense.
How many people are killed by speeders each year vs drunk driver, put a breath-alyzer on every satart in the UK, not a GPS speed limit device...
You'll notice that Vibe is limited to about 240k/s d/l speed from the CO. The rest of the signal is not used. This is reserved for the TV signal. Which is switched at the CO, one channel at a time is sent across the DSL line and decoded by the mpeg set-top box.
Kind of funny how limited to 240K/s is still faster than most other places in the world's DSL....
Ok please explain the $20K figure????
I have done 2.3K experiments with superconductors. It's not cheap like water for Helium, but you can recliam it. 20$ a litre or something..... So are you buying 1000l to cool one chip? Cooling a SMALL superconductor is not a big deal.........
offtopic but....
To port a C program to Mac/Win/Linux and to do the same with a Java program doesn't take the same amount of time or cost the same. Why do you think there is all this client side Java devlopement?
It actually seems like these things will be usable. 256mb for initial runs don't sound too shabby.
I'm a little curious on the size of them. The mention all the wireless buzz words, but no size estimates for the actual devices.
Question:
Will anyone buy one of these as a server that soon? I can see someone buying them as a desktop for testing and evaluation.
There are so many unknows that there is no way anyone running any "serious" servers will put them into service any time soon. There are bound to be issues with hardware/software interaction.
I wish Agilent was still part of HP. Or Agilent would get a similiar open source rep. When I pay $100's of K for a test-set and it doesn't support Linux or have some type of open source driver I get rather pissed off. I would sure like to see this change.
Unfortunately Agilent and Anritsu make the best stuff, so there is no choice really.
With regards to ther kernel:
There has been talk of forking the kernel for ages. This hasn't happened yet, and I can't see it happening anytime soon. All the major Linux vendors seem to believe Linus will make the best (right?) choices for what should and should-not be in it. So far he has done a great job, by most peoples reckoning....
DC current was filtered out eh? Hmm now correct me if I am wrong. If you filter out DC when your transmitting HVDC (high voltage DC) then you are left with nothing. Quebec uses DC for long haul not AC.
This link just proves they use DC, but I can't find info for the James Bay grid HVDC....
http://www.nationalgrid.com/usa/operations/elect ricity/interconnections/index.shtml
I wonder if it works well? I have owned two Nokia's and didn't realize that they sucked until I got my Motorola Startac, it doesn't have the games, but gee it's sure alot easier to use.
I want small and easy to use, not a the big and hard to use.
Do you have any proof of these claims? Where are these giant servers that log all digital calls? Last time I was working a telphone CO there was nothing of the sort.
Thanks for the insight on the system. I had no clue how it worked.
I'm trying not to shit on America here but.... Would it not be wise to take a look at other "free" countries and see how there systems work. I'm sure if America adopted the Swedish system, they could do it without looking too bad and save face.
Why could there not be one standard form for the whole of USA? The top part could have the standard
stuff that the whole country gets to vote on and then there could be a giant line and then all the crap like who the local dog catcher is. Having differnt ballots for voting on a country wide matter is insane. Have a 2nd ballot for all thr other crap if need be.
Anyway enough rambling. The rest of the world does it differtly and it seems to work......
This is great and true....But, should top not have an X-windows option or something? Or is this just an XFree86 problem? How hard can it be to tell how much memory a program is using?
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http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/dms10
That website seems to say 20 to 10,000 lines in a remote, so I don't know if they need deidicated or if the 10:1 ratio applies here for switches.
99% chance it is changing it to digital.
The most likely setup is copper wire from your house to a brown/green/black box on a street corner that has 200 or so other people's copper wire running into. In this box is a remote switch (DMS-100 I believe for Nortel shit). This digitizes the voices and throws it out on an OC-12 that goes to the main switch at the CO.
So basically as I have had it explained to me, they need a way to make DSL phone company recieve equipment to fit into this very cramped street box before the signal is digitized. This has not happened, and as such many many people will not get DSL.
The province where I use to live (NB) is going to have 3 or 4 real switches for the whole province and just have remotes everywhere. This really cuts down on actually needing CO buildings where DSL service is usually provided from.
I have three systems with G200,G400, and G450 respectively. I couldn't get the game to load at all.
That might be becasue I have now learned I must run it as root for some stupid reason or it segfaults. No idea why.
Anyway I went and bought a 32 MB GEforce 2 MX and it works great. Even on a 366 dual celeron.
So honestly just buy the card, have fun, and bitch at loki for only makeing the game for one card.
try it, it works fine.
filters, favourites, etc.
My filter only shows me 10 servers.
1. converts to the electrical domain
2. follows a TDMed stream of SONET frames for a few seconds from a single phone call.
3. If a certain word is found (through voice recognition) real-time action could be taken or the information could be recorded to tape.
The point is; sorting for whatever you want basically has to be done on site and in a limited way.
umm the swaying bridge pictures are usually the windstorm ones from ~1950 Tacoma narrows (I believe). Gotta love modes in bridges. kuroshin.org logo......
yeah, I setup an 8 machine beowulf yesterday running linux matlab, works great. I'll give applix a shot.
OT....
Completely right. I do all my work (sims etc.) on Unix and use excel occasionally on windows. Windows software just doesn't seem to like it when I try and import 1,000,000 points and do a histogram or just plot them. oh well. gnuplot rocks.
good joke, or good troll. no real come-back here. It's a fact I can't spell english very well. Oh well if you can spell with a high accuracy in two or more languages I guess your better at expressing yourself then I am.....
How many people are killed by speeders each year vs drunk driver, put a breath-alyzer on every satart in the UK, not a GPS speed limit device...
My wifes pregananat. Does the slight risk of speeding justify haveing a dangerous birth? I know this is extreme, but one example of many.........
You'll notice that Vibe is limited to about 240k/s d/l speed from the CO. The rest of the signal is not used. This is reserved for the TV signal. Which is switched at the CO, one channel at a time is sent across the DSL line and decoded by the mpeg set-top box.
Kind of funny how limited to 240K/s is still faster than most other places in the world's DSL....
Umm why does a T1 cost 20-40 times more than DSL? DSL is also more than twice as fast?
Some of us really use our computers to do things besides excel and the faster they are (especially when you buy 10) makes a huge ass difference.
Ok please explain the $20K figure????
I have done 2.3K experiments with superconductors. It's not cheap like water for Helium, but you can recliam it. 20$ a litre or something..... So are you buying 1000l to cool one chip? Cooling a SMALL superconductor is not a big deal.........
offtopic but....
To port a C program to Mac/Win/Linux and to do the same with a Java program doesn't take the same amount of time or cost the same. Why do you think there is all this client side Java devlopement?
It actually seems like these things will be usable. 256mb for initial runs don't sound too shabby.
I'm a little curious on the size of them. The mention all the wireless buzz words, but no size estimates for the actual devices.
Question:
Will anyone buy one of these as a server that soon? I can see someone buying them as a desktop for testing and evaluation.
There are so many unknows that there is no way anyone running any "serious" servers will put them into service any time soon. There are bound to be issues with hardware/software interaction.
I wish Agilent was still part of HP. Or Agilent would get a similiar open source rep. When I pay $100's of K for a test-set and it doesn't support Linux or have some type of open source driver I get rather pissed off. I would sure like to see this change.
Unfortunately Agilent and Anritsu make the best stuff, so there is no choice really.
There has been talk of forking the kernel for ages. This hasn't happened yet, and I can't see it happening anytime soon. All the major Linux vendors seem to believe Linus will make the best (right?) choices for what should and should-not be in it. So far he has done a great job, by most peoples reckoning....
Unless there is a Microsoft distribution.....
DC current was filtered out eh? Hmm now correct me if I am wrong. If you filter out DC when your transmitting HVDC (high voltage DC) then you are left with nothing. Quebec uses DC for long haul not AC.t ricity/interconnections/index.shtml
This link just proves they use DC, but I can't find info for the James Bay grid HVDC....
http://www.nationalgrid.com/usa/operations/elec
I wonder if it works well? I have owned two Nokia's and didn't realize that they sucked until I got my Motorola Startac, it doesn't have the games, but gee it's sure alot easier to use.
I want small and easy to use, not a the big and hard to use.
Do you have any proof of these claims? Where are these giant servers that log all digital calls? Last time I was working a telphone CO there was nothing of the sort.
Thanks for the insight on the system. I had no clue how it worked.
I'm trying not to shit on America here but.... Would it not be wise to take a look at other "free" countries and see how there systems work. I'm sure if America adopted the Swedish system, they could do it without looking too bad and save face.
Why could there not be one standard form for the whole of USA? The top part could have the standard
stuff that the whole country gets to vote on and then there could be a giant line and then all the crap like who the local dog catcher is. Having differnt ballots for voting on a country wide matter is insane. Have a 2nd ballot for all thr other crap if need be.
Anyway enough rambling. The rest of the world does it differtly and it seems to work......
This is great and true....But, should top not have an X-windows option or something? Or is this just an XFree86 problem? How hard can it be to tell how much memory a program is using?