Pathetic? America (our) foreign policy is bad. Got that. You have reason to be scared. Sure. But I don't see many people jab out of fear. They jab because it gives them an ego boost.
Really, you read into it that I think that our foreign policy is fine and everyone needs to quit bitching. That's just not the case. Our policy is bad, but bitching *here* every chance you get and getting moron moderators to give you +5 is what's really pathetic. Not that you're doing it, but many are.
You're right, but should that mean that mozilla should not build all these features, knowing each and every one will get added to the end package most users see?
I personally compile from scratch;), my rant is that distributions should try and make a leaner, more expandable way of installing Mozilla. It's one of the first impressions a new convert gets.
Mozilla is continuing to shape up to be a great platform, but it's size is getting bigger and bigger. A lot of people get worried about this, or frustrated. A lot of posters will complain about the bloat.
Compile Mozilla from scratch, and you'll see that you can custom tailor the build and cut out a lot of cruft. Of course, if you just want the browser, go for Phoenix, but really compiling on your own puts you in the drivers seat and optimize it to your own needs.
The problem here is that binary distributions package it all together, so the result is the full-fledged Mozilla. Before you Gentoo zealots get out here and plug your so-loved-distro, remember that even you don't have as much control as you could.
Basically, my point is that all these features are a Good Thing, and that complaining about the bloat is silly, since it can be custom tailored to fit your needs.
I just spent an hour last night building qt-3.1.0-beta2, only to realize I needed rc3 in the kde directory, only to realize today that 3.1.0 final is out.
New features include (among other ones that don't affect me as much) optional Emacs and XEmacs bindings in the email composer and much faster mailbox indexing (and thus loading.)
Does that mean the kitchen sink is also included, or will that come along with the next release?
Har har. Hopefully, others trying to make this joke will see this post, and see that it is not funny, and think twice.
And are we still home to the brave? If we crawl to the government in fear and beg to have our rights taken away if they'll just keeps us safe, then I think we lose the 'right' so call ourselves brave.
Not to say Canada or Europe is any better. I hate the anti-US trolls as much as I hate all the "on Sept. 11th, the US stood proud in the face of blah blah blah" TV soak-up-the-populace ads. Everyone has firefighters, people! Don't you get it? We're not special, and neither are you.
I think I need to move to New Zealand or something--I'm sick of being drawn into a globalist community where we all agree to be fat, ignorant slaves with the withering consolation of being "safe" standing as a beacon of our humanity that we sold generation by generation.
I'd agree with you, but these days it seems things have flip-flopped, and what's right is wrong and what's come has gone. I mean, can you find anything once clear and pure that these days isn't, well, so sure?
Our only consolation is that if this Poindexter fellow, and the whole totalitarian government in place these days came to conquer us, then while they may be king for a day, they too will deteriorate and quickly fade away.
Of course, here on Slashdot, our 21st Century digital boys will cheerlead the front against tyranny, but will rarely lend a helping hand except to mirror a/.ed site off their parent's cable line.
Wake up to New America, people! Forget your mass hysteria!
(I'm not mocking them either--Greg Graffin is really on top of his ballgame)
..claimed that he was just doing the President's bidding at any cost during the hearings on the Iran-contra conflict?
I saw parts of this guy's testimony on Bill Moyers (yes, I watch PBS). Sounded like a total and complete criminal, especially with Bill Moyers' unforgiving yet true commentary.
Though programmers say that we might have higher speed access to the internet in a few years, maybe even through your local cable company! (Hurry it up, TCI and Horizon Cablevision!)
Here in Texas we've had mandatory thumb-scanning for a few years now. A lot more information than most people realize is already in databases even before you count the more modern biometrics.
In South Carolina I believe, they had a law that allowed the DNA samples taken from newborns to be kept indefinately. The samples are used to detect and aid in fighting diseases, but the hospitals were dealing with and giving the samples to rather dubios corporations with nerving ties to the government. Thankfully, a Republican state senator labored long and hard and finally set a limit on how long this data could be kept and who dealt with it.
It seems that a number of politicians on both sides are starting to speak up about bioethics and civil liberties in general at state and local levels--however the future looks bleak from Washington.
The All-Red Route 100 Years On, I'm surprised no trolls have made the joke connecting the phrase "all-red route" with their obligatory goatse.cx links. Especially considering it's 100 years on.
It's not about loving Linux. It's about loving Freedom (TM). And that means not having a centralized conduit for information exchange. It means my computer being mine.
On a side note, I wish the 'net were never called the 'Information Superhighway.' That single analogous dubbing has spurred the acceptance of rhetoric in Congress that allows all sorts of regulation.
I came off strong in an effort to challenge your argument--being called a troll imo is a call to defend yourself, not simple mudslinging. At least when I do it.
I still don't accept your argument. Win2k had thousands of developers in separate departments, sort of like OSS development. Therefore, a correct comparison would be the team that would "glue" the system together vs a distro (if there were such a team; there might be). In this case, the Win2k "glue" team (again, I'm not asserting it exists) has a much easier job than the distro team, and I think the reasons are obvious and tied to the (albeit loose) centralization of Win2k.
I think we have come to the point where we both agree that the parent was Wrong (TM), since we both agree the comparison was moot, and the original parent's evident assumption that UL itself is an Open Source project is completely untrue. That being said, I believe you are still not thinking of UL as what it really is--a corporate entity.
Anyways, I did not accuse you of trolling because of your views, but because you made rather bold statements that in my original reply I showed to be huge jumps. By calling you on them in the harsh manner I did, you were forced to represent yourself in a more sensible light.
Because, after all, developing a new Linux distro really is the same thing as developing some private software from scratch.
Read the developer's mailing lists for any given distribution that has one. It's not easy--in fact, its really quite hard. Private software has it tough too, but getting all these new software packages that often break binary compatibility to interpolate properly is exceedingly difficult--often times packages fail silently and it takes time to even detect a symptom, and after that finding the source can take weeks! The private software authors have this problem to some extent, but not like distros.
Because, after all, it's not like those private companies would have to start from scratch, while the Linux distro has half the work done for them already.
Actually, I'd venture to say private companies re-use as much code as OSS developers. As for the individual packages, many of the core utilities in Win2k have been around with few or no updates since '95! These issues just aren't as prevalent or detectable without sites like distrowatch which tabulate the various packages and version numbers that make up a distro.
Because, after all, the private company would have to release a fully feature complete and bug tested piece of software, while all United Linux has to do is release something that boots.
UnitedLinux is a joint commercial venture by respected Linux distributors. Their product must be good--plenty of venture capital has been invested in them, and the individual members have burnt a lot of funds on UL. Just because they draw mostly from tools developed via a different software development model doesn't mean that they aren't trying to compete in the business world via the same means as "private software companies." In fact, you contrasted a hypothetical "private company" to UL, even though UL is, more or less, a "private company!"
Nice analogy there. Apples and oranges, very nice.
Nice rebuttal there. Unfortunately, UL is a private company, developing distros is as difficult as private ventures, and you sir are a troll.
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Really, you read into it that I think that our foreign policy is fine and everyone needs to quit bitching. That's just not the case. Our policy is bad, but bitching *here* every chance you get and getting moron moderators to give you +5 is what's really pathetic. Not that you're doing it, but many are.
You're right, but should that mean that mozilla should not build all these features, knowing each and every one will get added to the end package most users see?
I personally compile from scratch ;), my rant is that distributions should try and make a leaner, more expandable way of installing Mozilla. It's one of the first impressions a new convert gets.
Compile Mozilla from scratch, and you'll see that you can custom tailor the build and cut out a lot of cruft. Of course, if you just want the browser, go for Phoenix, but really compiling on your own puts you in the drivers seat and optimize it to your own needs.
The problem here is that binary distributions package it all together, so the result is the full-fledged Mozilla. Before you Gentoo zealots get out here and plug your so-loved-distro, remember that even you don't have as much control as you could.
Basically, my point is that all these features are a Good Thing, and that complaining about the bloat is silly, since it can be custom tailored to fit your needs.
Also, you're forgetting the Slashdot phenomenon about foreign users riding the coat-tails of informed criticism and throwing in their jabs for kicks.
Maybe I should just go straight cvs...
I really shouldn't reply to this, Will, but my karma's maxed out, unlike yours (at least until the moderators get hold of this one).
Does that mean the kitchen sink is also included, or will that come along with the next release?
Har har. Hopefully, others trying to make this joke will see this post, and see that it is not funny, and think twice.
Will I still get porn hits when I search for flowers to send my mother on Mother's Day?
Not to say Canada or Europe is any better. I hate the anti-US trolls as much as I hate all the "on Sept. 11th, the US stood proud in the face of blah blah blah" TV soak-up-the-populace ads. Everyone has firefighters, people! Don't you get it? We're not special, and neither are you.
I think I need to move to New Zealand or something--I'm sick of being drawn into a globalist community where we all agree to be fat, ignorant slaves with the withering consolation of being "safe" standing as a beacon of our humanity that we sold generation by generation.
Ok, I'm done ranting now.
Glad you enjoyed it--Bad Religion may just be the best social criticism we have! And I don't even like punk :)
Our only consolation is that if this Poindexter fellow, and the whole totalitarian government in place these days came to conquer us, then while they may be king for a day, they too will deteriorate and quickly fade away.
Of course, here on Slashdot, our 21st Century digital boys will cheerlead the front against tyranny, but will rarely lend a helping hand except to mirror a /.ed site off their parent's cable line.
Wake up to New America, people! Forget your mass hysteria!
(I'm not mocking them either--Greg Graffin is really on top of his ballgame)
I saw parts of this guy's testimony on Bill Moyers (yes, I watch PBS). Sounded like a total and complete criminal, especially with Bill Moyers' unforgiving yet true commentary.
Whoever modded this down should be ashamed of themselves--really, good point parent.
SourceForge is a last resort.
They were right, dammit.
Just a quick correction-the mandatory thumb scanning is for getting a drivers license, and has been the subject of a huge amount of controversy.
In South Carolina I believe, they had a law that allowed the DNA samples taken from newborns to be kept indefinately. The samples are used to detect and aid in fighting diseases, but the hospitals were dealing with and giving the samples to rather dubios corporations with nerving ties to the government. Thankfully, a Republican state senator labored long and hard and finally set a limit on how long this data could be kept and who dealt with it.
It seems that a number of politicians on both sides are starting to speak up about bioethics and civil liberties in general at state and local levels--however the future looks bleak from Washington.
Yes.
The All-Red Route 100 Years On, I'm surprised no trolls have made the joke connecting the phrase "all-red route" with their obligatory goatse.cx links. Especially considering it's 100 years on.
How 'bout we call it the 'CalderGates' scam? Or maybe the 's' isn't needed and would avoid confusion?
Well, at 3k/sec, 4 mb = ~ 4000k, so 4000k/3k.s = 1333 sec, or roughly 20 minutes.
I did think that stripping alternate archs would save much more, however. Thanks for the bit.
On a side note, I wish the 'net were never called the 'Information Superhighway.' That single analogous dubbing has spurred the acceptance of rhetoric in Congress that allows all sorts of regulation.
Agreed. They could probably save a lot by simply breaking up the source into chunks by architectures, but that would take time off of coding.
I still don't accept your argument. Win2k had thousands of developers in separate departments, sort of like OSS development. Therefore, a correct comparison would be the team that would "glue" the system together vs a distro (if there were such a team; there might be). In this case, the Win2k "glue" team (again, I'm not asserting it exists) has a much easier job than the distro team, and I think the reasons are obvious and tied to the (albeit loose) centralization of Win2k.
I think we have come to the point where we both agree that the parent was Wrong (TM), since we both agree the comparison was moot, and the original parent's evident assumption that UL itself is an Open Source project is completely untrue. That being said, I believe you are still not thinking of UL as what it really is--a corporate entity.
Anyways, I did not accuse you of trolling because of your views, but because you made rather bold statements that in my original reply I showed to be huge jumps. By calling you on them in the harsh manner I did, you were forced to represent yourself in a more sensible light.
Cheers,
The Grey One
This parent is a troll.
Read the developer's mailing lists for any given distribution that has one. It's not easy--in fact, its really quite hard. Private software has it tough too, but getting all these new software packages that often break binary compatibility to interpolate properly is exceedingly difficult--often times packages fail silently and it takes time to even detect a symptom, and after that finding the source can take weeks! The private software authors have this problem to some extent, but not like distros.
Actually, I'd venture to say private companies re-use as much code as OSS developers. As for the individual packages, many of the core utilities in Win2k have been around with few or no updates since '95! These issues just aren't as prevalent or detectable without sites like distrowatch which tabulate the various packages and version numbers that make up a distro.
UnitedLinux is a joint commercial venture by respected Linux distributors. Their product must be good--plenty of venture capital has been invested in them, and the individual members have burnt a lot of funds on UL. Just because they draw mostly from tools developed via a different software development model doesn't mean that they aren't trying to compete in the business world via the same means as "private software companies." In fact, you contrasted a hypothetical "private company" to UL, even though UL is, more or less, a "private company!"
Nice rebuttal there. Unfortunately, UL is a private company, developing distros is as difficult as private ventures, and you sir are a troll.