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The All-Red Route 100 Years On

An anonymous reader writes "On October 31, 1902, the first messages were sent along the All-Red Route -- a 5500km telegraph cable linking the whole of the British Empire. First envisioned in 1879, the long-decomissioned cable is still regarded as the longest single run of cable in the world."

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  1. Some day by Zebbers · · Score: 1, Funny

    We wont need no stinkin cable.

  2. Old news... by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 5, Funny

    On October 31, 1902

    Why does it take slashdot so long to report these things?

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    1. Re:Old news... by mgs1000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe the slashdot computers aren't Y2K compliant.

    2. Re:Old news... by ebbomega · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Slashdot: News for Dead People. Stuff that Mattered"

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    3. Re:Old news... by unicron · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because all news is transmitted using that wire.

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    4. Re:Old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The target just now recovered from the initial Slashdotting in 1902.

    5. Re:Old news... by HP+LoveJet · · Score: 1

      I know, dude! I submitted this story, like, 50 years ago.

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    6. Re:Old news... by sharkey · · Score: 2

      Why does it take slashdot so long to report these things?

      Don't worry, we'll see it three more times on the front page over the next two weeks.

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    7. Re:Old news... by elveu · · Score: 1

      50 years ago, i think you were a bit late. unless it was the same as this (100 years on) in which case you were somewhat early.

  3. And the first flame war by TerryAtWork · · Score: 4, Funny

    burst out shortly afterward....

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    1. Re:And the first flame war by kingrat · · Score: 1

      Wasn't that right after the first:

      "Me too!"

      ?

      Mike

  4. Wow... by der_saeufer · · Score: 4, Funny

    100 years ago, you could call all over the British Empire. Today, you can't call next door because your phone company hosed your bill and you didn't pay them the $23,412 they think you owe.

    1. Re:Wow... by Jacer · · Score: 2

      5500 KM, a km is around 6/10's of a mile, about 3300 miles, still, just a bit more than 1/7th, no small task!

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    2. Re:Wow... by Loki_1929 · · Score: 4, Funny

      " 100 years ago, you could call all over the British Empire. Today, you can't call next door because your phone company hosed your bill and you didn't pay them the $23,412 they think you owe."

      I agree with you entirely, and invite you to check out my previous comment on the subject.

      Especially relevant for telecoms:

      19. Satisfaction is not guaranteed
      55. Always exaggerate your estimates.
      78. When the going gets tough, the tough change the Rules.
      87. Learn the customer's weaknesses so you can better take advantage of him.
      103. Fill a desparate need with your most expensive product, then mark it up 500%
      111. Treat people in your debt like family--exploit them [ruthlessly].
      189. Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.
      266. When in doubt, lie.

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    3. Re:Wow... by davidstrauss · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      5500 KM, a km is around 6/10's of a mile, about 3300 miles, still, just a bit more than 1/7th, no small task!

      Just a bit more than 1/7th of...

      • ...an Uzbekistanian furlong?
      • ...e^pi meters?
      • ...my [...]?

      Didn't your teacher tell you to use units?

    4. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I want to know is, how does someone make a cable that long anyway? Laying a cable across the entire Atlantic seems to be an amazing feat to me, but that's even farther. I mean, how do you spool up a cable that is thousands of miles long!? A mile of cable would probably take a huge truck to carry it. Oh well. Just genuinely curious how someone could make a cable that long 100 years ago! Seems amazing.

    5. Re:Wow... by Jacer · · Score: 1

      i felt it was implied. being as i was refuting what was said about the circumferance of the earth. if you're confused, you should have read the entire thread

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  5. neato by kingofnopants · · Score: 1

    so now do they use it as an all-britain lan party? i hope they can play quake.

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  6. Maybe mistaking.. by k1a · · Score: 1

    What about the cables across the Atlantic Ocean? I though that was a bit of distance..

    1. Re:Maybe mistaking.. by Hamster+Of+Death · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the article:

      The cable station was open for business in the December of 1902 and thus Australia had a direct communications link with Norfolk Island, Fiji, Vancouver, Canada, across the internal telegraph system finally to Great Britain via connections to the Atlantic submarine cable..

      There's your transatlantic cable!

    2. Re:Maybe mistaking.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More accurately (and rather pedantically), it would be a transpacific cable.

    3. Re:Maybe mistaking.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transglobal. It crossed the pacific, atlantic, and a continent. You have to pick the next highest set that all these belong to.

  7. Don't forget the contribution of... by SurturZ · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the two empty soup tins connected at each end.

  8. yay..... by cyberise · · Score: 2, Funny

    now all we have to do is attach a rocket on one end and we got ourselves a tether to orbit.

    1. Re:yay..... by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 2

      Even though you got no love from the moderators I appreciated your post...pretty damn clever I think.

  9. Only 5500KM??? by rhwalker22 · · Score: 3, Funny

    How could one 5500KM cable link the mother country in Europe to all its colonies in Africa, south Asia, Australia and the Americas???

    1. Re:Only 5500KM??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SIMPLE

      IT DOESEN'T

      The traffic goes from UK to CANADA, and from CANADA it goes via 5500km line to Australia and other "RED" parts of the map.

    2. Re:Only 5500KM??? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      It didn't. There were several cables - one for each 'phone'. This just happened to be the longest.

      They all terminate in a 6' by 6' shed ina field somewhere in the UK. It looks too small to have once been the intelligence and communications hub of an entire empire.

    3. Re:Only 5500KM??? by RedWizzard · · Score: 5, Informative

      RTFA. The blurb was crap but the article is quite clear - the 5500KM Trans-Pacific Telegraph Cable linked Vancouver via Fanning and Norfolk Island, Fiji, to New Zealand and Southport, Queensland. Canada had already been linked to England via the Trans-Atlantic cable in 1866.

    4. Re:Only 5500KM??? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      Canada had already been linked to England via the Trans-Atlantic cable in 1866.

      And look what that lead to a year later. "Buh-bye. [Click] [*bzzzzz*]"

    5. Re:Only 5500KM??? by punkfoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The long-decomissioned cable is still regarded as the longest single run of cable in the world."
      I thought my noc had the longest cable run in the world... at least it seemed like it when I was crawling through the ceiling.

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    6. Re:Only 5500KM??? by gatesh8r · · Score: 2

      More like "Say do you want to sign a treaty with us giving us soverignty, eh?" -- much like most Canadian historical acts...

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    7. Re:Only 5500KM??? by Hays · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. 5500KM is only about half the distance (there were two seperate lines).

    8. Re:Only 5500KM??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened a year later? I take it from the next comment it was something about Canadian independence? You Canadians are pretty weird.. are you still a colony or what?

  10. all your base are belong to us. by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was going to post a funny message in morse code on here, but I hit the lamness filter "too many caps".

    Oh well - I guess morse code is lame now :(.

  11. My missus wouldn't agree by earthloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    cable is still regarded as the longest single run of cable in the world

    Obviously nobody has seen the mess under my desk!!!

    1. Re:My missus wouldn't agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they haven't seen my johnson..either.

    2. Re:My missus wouldn't agree by ryanvm · · Score: 2

      You pervert.

    3. Re:My missus wouldn't agree by Spunk · · Score: 2

      Oh, but we have.

  12. That is pretty long, and impressive... by cerebralsugar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but how quickly can this cable you speak of provide me with easily downloadable, electronic images of nudity?

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    1. Re:That is pretty long, and impressive... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Talk to the InternetKing, at Compuglobalmegahypernet. I'm sure he can provide you with faster nudity.

    2. Re:That is pretty long, and impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, sir, is the funniest sig I have ever witnessed. I bow before you.

  13. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A 5500 mile long cable... that's 1/5 of the earth's circumference. Truly an engineering marvel.

  14. Vulnerability by Mignon · · Score: 4, Funny
    [T]he ... cable is ... the longest single run of cable in the world.

    Amazing that it hasn't been hit by a backhoe in 100 years.

    1. Re:Vulnerability by Loki_1929 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Amazing that it hasn't been hit by a backhoe in 100 years."

      See a lot of backhoes in the ocean, do you?

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    2. Re:Vulnerability by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      "See a lot of backhoes in the ocean, do you?"

      Other things in the ocean can mess up cables like ship anchors and earthquakes.

  15. Article in Full by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    How They Brought the Good News from England to Australia

    It seems a little unlikely today, but at one time Bauer Street Southport was an important link in Australia's telecommunications with the rest of the world. On March 13, 1902, a trans-Pacific submarine cable was landed from the cable ship, the Anglia at Narrowneck , just south of Main Beach on the Gold Coast. In the first two decades of the 20th century, Southport became the terminal for all telegraph calls from overseas. Messages arriving at the cable station at Southport were sent by the overland telegraph to the Sydney G.P.O. for distribution over the internal telegraph system. A line from Southport to the Brisbane G.P.O. served the needs of Queensland cablers. Through the years the cable provided Australia, and of course Southport and the Hinterland with early news such as sporting events, natural disasters, the abdication of a king, and the outbreak of the two world wars.

    Today telecommunications are transmitted by satellites and fibre optic cables, and the electric telegraph is an almost forgotten technology. Prior to the invention of the telegraph, overseas messages were transported physically with overseas news or official dispatches collected by the press or government officials at the shipping docks. As the network of telegraph line developed in the mid 19th century, telegraphists would send electrical messages across long distances by tapping out Morse code for each letter of the message with a telegraph key. The telegraph translated the dots and dashes of the code into electrical impulses and transmitted or received them via submarine or overland telegraph cable. In 1866, following a number of failed attempts, the completed Trans-Atlantic successfully linked telegraph communications between Europe, United States and Canada.

    The British empire was at its height of power during the late nineteenth century. Cartographers traditionally coloured red the expanse of British colonies on published world maps. In the 1879, Sandford Fleming, the chief engineer of the new Canadian Pacific Railway, proposed that the overland telegraph line that followed the Canadian railway from the Atlantic to the Pacific Coast could eventually link by underwater telegraph cable to the other British Dominions in the South Pacific. The concept of the Pacific telegraph became known as the All Red Route as it would pass through British Dominions.

    The Trans-Pacific Telegraph Cable was a huge engineering project and would only be completed in 1902. In 1896, a Pacific Cable Committee with representatives from the countries involved was appointed to consider all aspects of the proposal. In 1901 the Pacific Cable Board was established with eight members: three from England, two from Canada, two from Australia and one from New Zealand. Following the passing of the Pacific Cable Act, the Board was responsible for management of the Pacific Cable and was empowered to obtain tenders for surveying and laying a cable from Vancouver via Fanning and Norfolk Island, Fiji, to New Zealand and Southport, Queensland. Funding and ownership of the cable was shared between the British, Canadian, New Zealand, Australian governments, and cable laying commenced in 1902. The cable ship the Colonia laid 3458 nautical miles of cable from Vancouver Island on the Pacific coast of Canada to Fanning Island in the mid Pacific. Earlier in the year, the cable ship the Anglia laid the cable from Southport to Norfolk Island, Fiji, New Zealand and then Fanning Island to Fiji, a distance of 3862 nautical miles.

    On March 8th, 1902 the Anglia arrived at Southport to begin landing the cable at Main Beach. The cable was lashed to English oak casks which were floated ashore. A local newspaper remarked that afterwards the oak casks were eagerly sought by enterprising locals to serve as milk vats or for general household use. .Once it was floated ashore, the cable was laid into a 6 ft deep trench dug through the dunes to a cable hut located in Cable Street. and then along a bridle track (now the Gold Coast Highway), across the Nerang River and up to temporary, later permanent cable station buildings in Bauer Street. The cable station was open for business in the December of 1902 and thus Australia had a direct communications link with Norfolk Island, Fiji, Vancouver, Canada, across the internal telegraph system finally to Great Britain via connections to the Atlantic submarine cable..

    The cable station buildings in Bauer Street comprised a block of offices for the superintendent and staff, staff quarters for 22 officers and a separate residence for the superintendent. 6. The climate and facilities at Southport were comfortable and one observer noted that 'once cable staff were posted there you couldn't winkle them out with an oyster knife'.

    In the early years of the station though, probationary officers received no salary for the first two years. In 1902, T. Brugmann arrived at the seaside resort to begin his training with twelve other young men as probationary officers. He recalled,

    'Probationers were under strict personal supervision of the Superintendent. Our superintendent was Thomas Chapman Judd, a corpulent type with a great love for long words and phrases. The 'Old Man' as he was always known came from the training school at Portcurnow in the U.K. He knew how to train men and we knew where we stood. Church attendance was compulsory and there was a 10p.m curfew unless special written permission was granted to remain out later. The use of lamps in bedrooms was forbidden, as there was no gas facilities, the good old candle was a friend.

    All sending and receiving at Southport was manual. There was no typewriter in the office, consequently writing had to be clear and taken in duplicate. The number of messages handled daily was about 500 Mondays to Friday. However on some occasions such as the first news of the San Fransico Earthquake of 1905, the officers at Southport found themselves swamped with a relay message of 25,000 words. By 1907, Brugmann was transferred to Suva and he spent the next 14 years serving in the Pacific and then worked for Australian Statutory Communications body, O.T.C .

    Many years later in 1982, Gold Coast journalist, John Dwyer interviewed another retired cable officer who had undertaken his training at the Southport Cable Station in the 1920s. Bruce Scott was aged 16 when he arrived at Southport in 1921. He was part of a group of 10 probationary officers sent for training at the cable station. After training they would return to Sydney to be sent to any cable station in the world. Bruce would eventually work in Auckland, Fanning Island and finally Bamfield in British Columbia. In the 1920s, messages were still relayed at each station - Norfolk, Suva, and Fanning Island to Bamfield on Vancouver Island.'Bruce recalled that one of the duties in the operations room at the Southport Cable Station was sending selected messages from the Brisbane Courier Mail to Norfolk Island. This was Norfolk's only communication with the outside world and the cables were pinned to a tree at a crossroads there. People gathered eagerly to read the news and the tree became known as the Tree of Knowledge" Once an SOS came through from Norfolk Island - the call for help was from the sailing vessel the "France" which was sinking near the New Hebrides (Vanuatu). 'I sent the message through to Brisbane but I knew that nothing could be done.'

    Many local people found temporary work at the station. Tom Buckley, later a resident of Nerang, 'worked at the Cable station - not as a 'cable Johnny,' (the name locals gave the permanent employees) but on a temporary carpenter's job. It was at the Cable station that he met his future wife, Emma Just, who was working there as a cook. 7.

    In 1923, the cable was linked directly from Auckland to Sydney reducing the Southport station's role to one of repeater station. 8. Still, because of its importance as a link in communications, after the outbreak of war in 1939, both the cable at Narrowneck and the repeater station in Bauer Street were placed under guard, first by A company of the 15th Battalion AMF and later by a group of World War 1 veterans. 9.

    In 1962, long after the danger of invasion had past, the Commonwealth Government sold the obsolete Cable station to the De La Salle Brothers who used it as a retreat and holiday resort. 10. In the early 1980's the cable station buildings were removed to The Southport School and the cable station site was developed as the Villa La Salle Retirement Village.11. Cable Street and Cable Park at Main Beach are reminders of the days when the Pacific Cable Station at Southport was Australia's important communication link with the rest of the world.

    Pat Fischer

    Gold Coast City Council Local Studies Library

    8th April 2002

    Notes

    1.http://www.iscpc.org/information/gentsea.htm April 2002

    2 'Repairing Trans-Pacific Cable' in South Coast Bulletin

    May 12 1948, p 22

    3 . ibid, p 22

    The Pacific Cable The Queenslander March 3 1902

    4 Harcourt, Edgar Taming the Tyrant; The first one years of Australia's international communication services, Allen & Unwin, 1987, p 173 5. 'Repairing Trans-Pacific Cable' in South Coast Bulletin May 12 1948, p 22 6. ibid, p 22 7. Dwyer, John, 'Pacific Cable brought us the world' in Gold Coast Bulletin, Feb 5 1988 8. op. cit, South Coast Bulletin 1948 9. Dwyer, John, 'They're out to save an old link with the world' in Gold Coast Bulletin July 26 1980
    10 T.G. Brugmann in Transit O.T.C staff magazine 11. Buckley Family Pamphlet File, Gold Coast City Council Local Studies Collection 12. op. cit, South Coast Bulletin, 1948, p. 8 13. Dwyer, John, 'Riflemen stood guard over link with the world' in Gold Coast Bulletin, Sept 28th 1983, p. 4 140. op. cit., Dwyer, 1988 15. ibid

  16. one cable?! by EvilStein · · Score: 3, Funny

    geez, no wonder everyone in England complains about not having any bandwidth. Talk about oversold!

  17. Transatlantic cable more important by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the All-Red Route was an impressive achievement, the first transatlantic cable laid in the 1860's was a much more impressive and historically important achievement, given that it was the first time a transocean telegraph cable was attempted and it took several tries to successfully lay the cable between Ireland and Newfoundland.

    What's interesting was it wasn't until the late 1950's and early 1960's that we finally achieved the technology to send voice messages on undersea cables on a large scale. Of course, today with fiber optic cables we can send even high-bandwidth data like video through these cables; a huge fraction of international Internet traffic nowadays are transmitted through these cables.

    1. Re:Transatlantic cable more important by billd · · Score: 2, Insightful
      the first transatlantic cable laid in the 1860's was a much more impressive and historically important achievement

      Yes, but today is not the 100th anniversary of THAT cable. OK.

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    2. Re:Transatlantic cable more important by Loki_1929 · · Score: 2

      " While the All-Red Route was an impressive achievement, the first transatlantic cable laid in the 1860's was a much more impressive and historically important achievement, given that it was the first time a transocean telegraph cable was attempted and it took several tries to successfully lay the cable between Ireland and Newfoundland."

      Problems with the satellites? Sunspots? Or were they just adding redundancy? I don't understand... :(

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    3. Re:Transatlantic cable more important by jez9999 · · Score: 0

      Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't the 'All-Red Route' indeed a transocean cable? Indeed, didn't it cross many oceans? It had to go from Britain to Australia!

  18. Funny by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I was reading this article that talks about the increasing importance of the trans-pacific capacity due to, you guessed it, China.

    OTOH, the thought of that fat pipe moving *more* spam is scary.

  19. The *All-Red* Route 100 Years On??? by PhysicsScholar · · Score: 1

    Didn't the Dot Com bubble burst, like, three years ago? That's some crazy math!

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    1. Re:The *All-Red* Route 100 Years On??? by plugger · · Score: 1

      Hmm, you're in London you say? Why do you spell math in the American manner, are you on a scholarship over here?

  20. Re:fr057 p157! ARSE! by Gordonjcp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that the goatse.cx guy has a wedding ring on? I think that worries me most of all about this picture...

  21. Metric conversion help by Krelnik · · Score: 3, Informative
    a 5500km telegraph cable

    Not sure where you got this number from the story. I see references to two lengths of cable totalling 7320 nautical miles.

    By my math that is 13,556 km, but maybe I'm missing something.

    1. Re:Metric conversion help by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would have to be... you'd be hard pressed to connect the entire British empire with a puny 5,500km cable.

    2. Re:Metric conversion help by grytpype · · Score: 3, Funny

      >you'd be hard pressed to connect the entire British empire with a puny 5,500km cable.

      Not these days!

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    3. Re:Metric conversion help by Brown · · Score: 2

      Falklands Islands :-)

      (and don't bother with the trolls; the population there want to remain british by almost a 100% majority. Mind you, that doesn't seem to be helping in Gibraltar...)

  22. YOU ARE A BOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arent ya?

    1. Re:YOU ARE A BOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its botting...

  23. No slashdotting here by plierhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Offtopic perhaps but what a delight to see a cheap and cheerful web page that looks like it will survive a slashdotting storm, nothing but good old text and links on it, loads up like lightning...

    We salute you "www.pacific-cable.org" - and not least for saving us from a bushel of lame jokes about the /. effect...

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    1. Re:No slashdotting here by random735 · · Score: 1

      you've truly taken karma to a higher level... now, not only is it possible to make a typical karma boosting slashdot effect joke for hammered servers, we can even get a karma boost when the site *isn't* even slashdotted.. awesome! :)

    2. Re:No slashdotting here by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Umm, It was slashdotted when I tried it.

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    3. Re:No slashdotting here by jez9999 · · Score: 0

      Two points:

      1) There are plenty of images on the page, moreso, in fact, than most websites. Loads of pictures of maps, fields, etc.

      2) The site looks crap. I could design a site which used half the bandwidth and looked much better. :-)

  24. 1902? British Empire? by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 1

    In 1902 there was no British Empire in Australia, well not really. Australia became a federation in 1901. Soutport is not too far from here, whatever the cable had to contribute it is barely noticable now as I live in Brisbane and have never heard of this.

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    1. Re:1902? British Empire? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      IANAA, but keep in mind that Australia still recognizes the Queen of England as the sovereign today. There's a federal parliamentary government and all, but the Queen is the head of state for all official purposes.

      So the British Empire never completely left Australia. Technically, that is.

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    2. Re:1902? British Empire? by Malc · · Score: 1

      What you're referring to is The Commonwealth (a funny term considering it includes some of the poorest nations on the planet), not The Empire.

    3. Re:1902? British Empire? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      Granted. When I said that the Empire never left Australia, I wasn't be sufficiently precise. What I meant was that Australia has always given at least titular sovereignty to the Queen, so the idea that Australia is no longer entangled in any way with Britain isn't completely true.

      The hairs split, we part as friends.

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    4. Re:1902? British Empire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia [like Canada] has its own Queen.

      The Queen of England, The Queen of Australia, The Queen of Canada etc are all different "legal" entities that happen to be currently filled by the same person, who is known to most of the world as Queen Elizabeth II of The United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland.

      She isn't even Elizabeth the II to all of the UK, Scotland was never ruled by the first queen Elizabeth.

    5. Re:1902? British Empire? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      In 1902 there was no British Empire in Australia, well not really. Australia became a federation in 1901.
      Of course there was - Australia was a self-governing Dominion within the British Empire, as it was still termed. There's a useful timeline here.
      Soutport is not too far from here, whatever the cable had to contribute it is barely noticable now as I live in Brisbane and have never heard of this.
      Well there's a shock! A telegraph cabled laid down in 1902 is no longer being used a century later? Who could have guessed that? Silly person.

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    6. Re:1902? British Empire? by legojenn · · Score: 1
      IALSNAL - I am a legal secretary, not a lawyer.

      The Statute of Westminster, 1931 UK, changed the relationship between the Dominions and the United Kingdom. The Empire ceased to exist and was replaced with the much more "democratic" sounding Commonwealth.


      Canada dropped "Dominion of" from its name in 1947 (I think) Canada had a hard time giving up the term Dominion, though it really had ceased to be one for 16 years.


      The Queen remains to this day our head of State, but her duties are carried out by the Governor-General (much like an Irish or French President).


      Canada became truly independent in 1982 with the passing of the Canada Act, 1982 UK, in which the preamble states (I paraphrase) that no law passed by the Parliament of the UK is binding on Canada.


      So, verbosely, I have stated that there is no Empire, though the Queen is still the head of State and I assume that the pattern is the same in Australia as it was in Canada, though I would hope that Australia didn't take its time as Canada did.

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  25. Mother Earth, Mother Board - Neal Stephenson by br0ck · · Score: 4, Informative

    An interesting article regarding the technology, business, and history behind laying of transcontinental cables is Mother Earth Mother Board, by Neal Stephenson. The tagline is "The hacker tourist ventures forth across the wide and wondrous meatspace of three continents, chronicling the laying of the longest wire on Earth."

  26. Re:fr057 p157! ARSE! by billd · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Don't expect me to check your claim.

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  27. Good Thing They Remembered Where it Went by shoemakc · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd be buggered if I had to break out the tone probe and trace the damn thing. I'd wager the batteries wouldn't even make it to the mainland.

    -Chris

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  28. Wired Article by grid+geek · · Score: 5, Informative

    This Wired Article by Neal Stephenson back in 1996 is all about the underseas fibre, the major players and what the world was like at the start of the web revolution. It weighs in at 56 pages (link to first page only).

    In it he charts a new cable as it goes 28,000km around the world. Its well worth a read if you have time.

    1. Re:Wired Article by isorox · · Score: 2, Informative

      This Wired Article [wired.com] by Neal Stephenson back in 1996

      Google cache

    2. Re:Wired Article by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

      It's also IMO the best thing Wired has ever published (but I love Stephenson too, so I'm biased).

      The cables he followed were not continuous, so it doesn't get the record.

      Now that I think about it, there was a fiction piece in Wired years ago about a virus that killed 98% of the world's population. That was a great piece, but it was fiction not an article.

      -B

  29. Speaking of... by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The All-Red Route 100 Years On, I'm surprised no trolls have made the joke connecting the phrase "all-red route" with their obligatory goatse.cx links. Especially considering it's 100 years on.

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  30. Interesting fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first message across the "All Red Route" telegraph cable was

    . _ _ . _ _ . _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ . _ _ . . . . _ . _ . _ . . _

    1. Re:Interesting fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WWWGOATSECX didn't exist back then, unless the Infernal Abyss causes breakdown of spacetime and its sent back thru time or something retarded anyway Faggots are gay Bush is retarded.

    2. Re:Interesting fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually it was:

      .._. .. ._. ... _ _._. ._ _... ._.. .

      the goat sex cables followed shortly after.

  31. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by bellings · · Score: 2

    Wow! I am awed by your obvious brilliance. A guy as smart as you should be hanging out with other Slashdot luminaries, such as PhysicsGenius.

    You may also want to send e-mail to some of our geek sisters, like Lover's Arrival, The. According to her bio, she gets all hot and bothered by the smarty types like you.

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  32. Re:fr057 p157! ARSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I honestly can't believe you looked that closely. And no, I will *not* look to confirm it. :P

  33. Re: It's all physics! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be very grateful if you could expound on the physics of ass-fucking.

  34. May not be the longest by cmuncey · · Score: 2

    I would check out the Egypt - Asia portion of FLAG, the fiber line around the globe (what the Stephenson article in Wired was about). I dunno, but I think that run is longer than a transpacific cable . . .

  35. "All-Red Route"??? by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ah! It's the Commie Reds! They have an All-Red telegraph line, and they've had it for a century! Mr. President, we cannot allow a telegraph gap!

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  36. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by f97tosc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just imagine the tension in such a long cable!

    There are great tensions on cables when you roll them out on the bottom of an ocean. If the bottom is say 2 miles deep, then the top part must hold the weight of m2 iles of cable (minus the lifting force of the water). Creating cables strong enough was a great engineering challenge.

    However, how long the cable is in total is utterly irrelevant - if the cable goes from the California to Hawaii or Australia does not matter.

    Tor

  37. Learning... by verloren · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm still pretty new to slashdot, so I thought I should practice...

    "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!"

    No, that doesn't seem right somehow... :)

    1. Re:Learning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Come on What are the moderators smoking today, how did this get a +4??

      Oblig on topic comment:
      I live in australia and like cables or somting.

  38. Sad news ... All-Red route dead at 100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just heard some sad news on Slashdot - Trans-Atlantic cable All-Red was found dead in the Atlantic this morning. Apparently, the cable was quite old. I'm sure it will it missed by the Slashdot community - even if you aren't old enough to have used it, there's no denying its impact on the advancement of telecommunications of the 21st Century. Truly an engineering icon.

    1. Re: Sad news ... All-Red route dead at 100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's gotta deserve +1, Funny

  39. Re: It's all physics! by PhysicsScholar · · Score: 0, Troll

    Lubricant works simply because it doesn't allow two surfaces to come into contact. When lubricant is used between two moving surfaces, a "wedge" of the substance forms, and the moving surfaces literally float on this "wedge".

    The effect is even more pronounced in a rotational context, but that's not often the case in sex, unless you're into acrobatics or using a dildo.

    Good luck with your studies!

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  40. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  41. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Dante · · Score: 2, Informative


    Tout= Tension Out
    Tin= Tension In
    L = Length of Straight
    Run W = Weight of Cable (per length)
    = Coefficient of Friction = Angle of Bend
    e = Natural Log"
    What a load of crap!
    Or at least, what are you smoking?
    How does that "llustrates the sheer amount of money that went into this project." ?
    For a real way to calculate Cable Tension, take a look here. Cable Pulling Tension Calculator

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  42. Worlds Longest Cable by cyberise · · Score: 5, Informative

    Factoid: Did a little searching and found that APCN2 is the longest cable in the world sitting at 17000km long.

    1. Re:Worlds Longest Cable by Tycho · · Score: 2

      Just curious, but what are you doing reading the People's Daily from China? I mean aside from the fact that it injects commentary with news with quotes like "Israel's coalition governments are chronically unstable and plagued by internal fighting." The People's Daily has editorial pieces like this with section headers in the editorial like "Guiding People with Correct Opinion." The source for this article seems just a little absurd. And I'm not even going to comment on this.

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    2. Re:Worlds Longest Cable by cyberise · · Score: 1

      lol, just got that on a google search...never actually noticed what the site was other then seeing it was a news site :)

  43. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's the obvious...
    how can there be tension on a cable that is resting on the floor?

  44. Sandford Fleming by beaverfever · · Score: 3, Informative
    Wow - that Sir Sandford Fleming was a hell of a guy.

    Anyways, I'm still amazed at the simple yet overwhelming idea of laying cables under oceans to link continents, and that it was done so long ago. Wasn't the Atlantic cable (or part of it) recently tested? I seem to recall that it was in relatively good shape.

  45. Re:Thank you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mR(n)*d = e^l/p(sqrt(2))

  46. Re:5500km? That's nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose you tie it in knots and swing from trees by it and tie it to little dixie cups and talk to people across the street on your penis phone, then?

  47. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by s.fontinalis · · Score: 1

    Quite easily - in a cable tension is along the longitudinal axis of the cable, whether or not it's resting on anything has little to do with the longitudinal axis.

  48. Vancouver != Vancouver Isle, 5500km != 3458+3862mi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The cable ship the Colonia laid 3458 nautical miles of cable from Vancouver Island on the Pacific coast of Canada to Fanning Island in the mid Pacific. Earlier in the year, the cable ship the Anglia laid the cable from Southport to Norfolk Island, Fiji, New Zealand and then Fanning Island to Fiji, a distance of 3862 nautical miles"

  49. Didn't work by grahamsz · · Score: 2

    1.connect britain together with a cable
    2.????
    3.Profit!

    British Telecom tried this...
  50. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

    Guys, come on. Please don't feed the trolls, especially the physics trolls.

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  51. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Definitely one of the funnier trolls around.

  52. internet really 168 years old by peter303 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you considered connecting up cities by telegraph as its first manifestation. The socialogical implications were similar- light speed communication, an inductry bubble, etc.

    Al Gore's great-great grandfather even helped build it!

    1. Re:internet really 168 years old by aiabx · · Score: 2

      I had always felt (and this is not an original idea) that the telegraph was the invention of the information age. Before the telegraph, you found out about gold discoveries in Australia when a ship arrived 2 months later. After the telegraph, the information flow was instantaneous (with some latency for retransmission).
      Everything since - the telephone, radio, TV, the internet - are all just refinements of the telegraph. Bandwidth is higher, you can go wireless, but it's still ust information transmission.
      -aiabx

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    2. Re:internet really 168 years old by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 2

      I had always felt (and this is not an original idea) that the telegraph was the invention of the information age.

      I agree entirely. The telegraph instituted central fact of the "information age": that information can be separate from physicality. With the telegraph, suddenly informaiton could travel faster than a person (or other physical object) possibly could.

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  53. But the real question is... by jkc120 · · Score: 2, Funny


    Can you get DSL over this sucker?

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  54. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but according to the Bernstein-Holtzmann principle, you are full of shit.

  55. Re:fr057 p157! ARSE! by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

    What part of "Reply, don't moderate" don't you understand?

    Who's this "Reply" person?

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  56. God they need to revive the old thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Southern Cross cable isn't much better...

  57. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Sunthalazar · · Score: 1

    Right, but the tension exists because it has something pulling on it.
    When something is on the ground, there is no gravitational pull because it is all supported.
    There would be a small amount of pull based on the drop.
    Here's the idea. Take a rope. Make it a really really long rope. Lay it on the floor. Now pick up one end. The only tension in that rope is in the end you picked up. There is no _tension_ in the rest of the rope. If there was, it would have moved.

  58. "All-Pink" route would have been a better name by Zerbey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cartographers usually colour British colonies Pink, not Red but maybe it was different in the 19th and early 20th century. Does a better informed Slashdotter know?

    All British schoolchildren have been shown the map of the British empire at the height of its powers, and given the standard lecture about how much better it was when the world was Pink. It's an oft-heard saying by older British Citizens. "Ahhh... I can remember when the world was Pink, and good King George was on the throne... etc. etc."

    1. Re:"All-Pink" route would have been a better name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was originally red, but any map old enough to show the Empire must surely be faded by now.

      (this is me talking out of my arse)

    2. Re:"All-Pink" route would have been a better name by jez9999 · · Score: 0

      All British schoolchildren have been shown the map of the British empire at the height of its powers, and given the standard lecture about how much better it was when the world was Pink. It's an oft-heard saying by older British Citizens. "Ahhh... I can remember when the world was Pink, and good King George was on the throne... etc. etc."

      You're either joking, or dumb, I can't tell which. Britain does not teach schoolchildren about the British Empire in its 'hayday', unless perhaps you do a History degree. In which case, I'd expect any country's History degree to teach that.

    3. Re:"All-Pink" route would have been a better name by Zerbey · · Score: 1

      You evidentally went to a different school than I did.

    4. Re:"All-Pink" route would have been a better name by jez9999 · · Score: 0

      Apparently so. I can even spell evidently correctly.

  59. Replying vs moderating by OzPixel · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What part of "Reply, don't moderate" don't you understand?

    What part of "both are neccessary to make SlashDot what it is" don't you understand ?

    Replies for agreement, disagreement, adding information, and the occasional diversion.

    Moderation to rate and maintain the quality of discussion.

    (so I can read at a threshold of 2 and read only around 30-40% of comments, which is more than enough for most topics to get discussed thouroughly).

    (ok, ok, IHBT, HAND, all that)
    David.

  60. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Tolchz · · Score: 1

    Wow that's incredibly....fake

    What does the coefficient of friction have to do with anything reguarding tension on a cable.

    Also the only mention of "torque inhibitor" on google is about a device that is meant to break in order to prevent damage to another object.

  61. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two things you should consider:

    First, you're wrong. There is tension in the rope, counteracted by the friction against the floor. In a totally frictionless environment, the piece of rope on the floor would slide toward you, until the rope dropped straight down from your hand and made a right angle with the floor.

    Second, you're a total fucking dumbass. It takes a special kind of fool to argue Physics with one of the SlashDot physics trolls They're wrong, they know they're wrong, and they're posting only to see who replies. But, it takes a complete moron to argue and be totally wrong. You, sir, are that complete moron for the day. Thank you.

  62. Re:The mechanics/physics of such a cable are nifty by f97tosc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tout = Tin + LW Where:
    Tout= Tension Out
    Tin= Tension In
    L = Length of Straight
    Run W = Weight of Cable (per length)
    = Coefficient of Friction = Angle of Bend
    e = Natural Log
    I proved an equation and stated facts. You merely stated unsubstantiated opinion, yet somehow have a 3 and I have a 2.


    You did not prove any equation, you merely stated one. Anyway, the equation covers the tentions that arise when pulling a long cable into its conduit. Was the point you tried to make was that when you make such a long cable with a conduit, you have to make it in portions? I am sure you are right, but can you substantiate that this was a major cost driver of the project (it seems unlikely)?

    There is, of course, no material source of tension in a stationary cable on the bottom of the ocean.

    Tor

  63. It's a Y2K problem... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    ... a very obscure problem, it took this long for it to appear.

  64. Does that pass for wit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the rest of the world a statement has to be somewhat clever before it can be considered to be "funny" or "witty".

    In England, apparently, as long as you get the noun and verb in roughly the right place its considered a form of high-comedic art.

  65. You're so dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're probably from England.

    Only the English can simultaneously be so stupid and proud of their stupidity.

    Its an amazing thing.

    Signed,
    The citizens of France.

  66. one single wire? by Suppafly · · Score: 1

    So is this like one single wire all those miles long, or can they splice some more on? It'd seem like a good storm could break it once and a while.

  67. The whole of the British Empire? by Karora · · Score: 1

    Surely the British Empire spanned more than that - it's 12000 miles or so from England to New Zealand...

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    1. Re:The whole of the British Empire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The Brits were cunning and dug directly through the core of the earth.

      This feat was quite tricky as they had to dodge Microsoft's secret headquarters.

  68. repost by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1

    I see a powerpoint banner ad, much lower tech than this cable.

    That aside, this is a y2k compliance issue. Expect the "damn commies" in Russia to rise again in the next few decades.

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  69. Canadians are wussies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should've told them "Fuck off!" like we down in the U.S did. :)

    1. Re:Canadians are wussies by jez9999 · · Score: 0

      Canadians are probably rather glad they didn't. If they had, they'd just be a yet further extension of the US now, complete with government which can be bought by large corporations.

  70. Re:fp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the long-decomissioned cable is still regarded as the longest single run of cable in the world."

    -- See southern cross cables .com for the world's longest joining NZ, Australia, Hawaii, and America

  71. Just curious... by NeuroManson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone tried seeing if a signal could still be carried on the cable? Would be a cute test to see if it held up to the century of existance...

    Or, just to play on the irony, run some packets over it do a bit of IRC or telnet chatting...

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    1. Re:Just curious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Has anyone tried seeing if a signal could still be carried on the cable?


      Worldcom is looking to cut costs by eliminating their transatlantic fiber connections and shift traffic to DSL running over this cable. Turns out they got it for a steal.

  72. Not the _whole_ British empire by donscarletti · · Score: 1
    The cable only streached through about half of the british empire.

    the cable did not stretch through India or any of Britains african territories or members of the commonwealth (South Africa, Egypt, Zimbabwe (then Rhodisia) etc.) It also did not pass through Hong Kong which was leased from the chineese five years or so before nor the british islands in the Carribean.

    Is is hardly then the _All_ red route rather a good chunk of red.

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  73. Southern Cross Cables by dann0 · · Score: 1

    How about an interview with someone from here? Running a business with the executives in at least three different countries must be a feat unto itself! Dan

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    1. Re:Southern Cross Cables by Wild+Wizard · · Score: 1

      have bandwidth, will video conference

  74. They were fighting... by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2

    ...about who got FP!!!

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  75. All-Pink Floyd route, even better by bee · · Score: 2

    Personally, I'm waiting for the all-Pink Floyd route.

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  76. 640Km ought to be enough for anybody by Ledskof · · Score: 1

    "I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in telegraphy would ever say that a certain amount of cable is enough for all time.
    The need for cable increases as telegraphs get more potent and morse code gets more powerful. In fact, every couple of years the amount of cable physical length needed to run whatever morse code is mainstream at the time just about doubles. This is well-known."
    Sandford Fleming (not really)

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