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Using R44 And A PowerBook To Bust Illegal Seawalls
Sylvestre writes "Ken Adelman, founder of TGV and Network Alchemy, is using a digital camera, helicopter, and a Power Book to take a high resolution photograph every 500 feet down the California coast. The goal? Busting people putting up illegal sea walls. The catch so far? One golf course covered the beach with boulders. Also of note: the website has 44 gigs of photos so far, runs on solar power, and is Microsoft Free. Best use of technology I've seen all month!"
They shouldn't be developping right along the coast anyways. It would be nice to have a large buffer zone.
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Go canucks, habs, and sens!
That must have some value in general as a geophysical survey. 500 foot resolution would be expen$ive to get if you were to pay for it on contract!
=^..^= all your rodent are belong to us
Question... why would making a "sea wall" be illegal?
occultae nullus est respectus musicae - originally a Greek proverb
It's great that the site runs on solar, but when you're flying a helicopter up and down the coast you're hardly looking to improve the environment.
"at least he's not using a 747!"
Maybe he should look into an ultralight.
I'm assuming any golf course that has "field of boulders" as a hazard is pretty damn hardcore.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
Why not use the Terraserver? should be high enough resolution, I can even find my apartment on the thing. It is MS though, if that happens to not be you thing.
"Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
Some asshole vigilante is flying around like Captain Planet helping the government fuck up people's property rights. Great.
Tim
Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
3 posts and ./ed .. hehehe.. sombody quick take a picture
Solar Power! when will they learn.
Just buy all the property from those that currently own it.
But what the heck are they doing using Microsoft FrontPage 4.0 as the HTML editor ???
If you talk the talk, please walk the walk
"Also of note: the website has 44 gigs of photos so far, runs on solar power, and is Microsoft Free."
Err. Why does that sound like one of the Cosby kids trying to conince their dad that he should buy them a computer? I mean, who cares if it has 44 gigs of photos? None of us are going to download that many. Who cares if it runs on solar power? We're not paying for it. And who cares if it's MS free? We wouldn't know the difference if they were using MS for anything.
I wouldn't normally make a point of it, but the way they presented those last bits of detail suggests to me they were trying really really hard to make sure Slashdot posts this story.
I dunno, maybe I missed the point and each of those details was uber-important to understanding what this guy is doing. Sure.
"Derp de derp."
Lets see, their counter is around 15k right now.
GIve it an hour, lets see if we can hit 30k.
Lets hope their sun power can survive slashdot!
TGV was really goddamned cool. They were purchased by Cisco a few years ago and it all went to hell. They used to have catered lunches every Friday (I attended several of them) and every time I went it was from somewhere else that was good.
Anyway I didn't know the place myself well enough to actually know who was responsible for any of the cool shit, but TGV used to make network software for VAXen. I logged into a pub ftp that used their ftpd once, it was a joy because it made it look like Unix.
In any case TGV made the fastest TCP stack for Windows 3.1. It didn't make much of a difference when it came to doing PPP or SLIP over a modem because modems were max 28.8k in those days and they were real modems with buffered FIFOs and whatnot. But if you were using 10mbps ethernet or better then the TGV stack was dramatically faster than trumpet's. They also made a fast TCP stack for Windows 95 etc, but Cisco didn't do anything with it and by the time they were ready to do anything with TGV they had crushed the place's spirit, failed to open reqs for needed personnel, etc. Some of the engineers went to Cisco, and some of them went elsewhere. I'm not sure if the Santa Cruz office is still there or not. The person who was the director of the site at the time I quit from that office (As a Cisco employee) was a plant from Cisco, and not technical at all at that point. (She supposedly wrote some code at some point, IIRC.)
TGV is the birthplace of the Mainframe Mouse. It was made of ~0.75" acrylic, and contained a normal-scale mouse attached to a bowling ball. You sat on it and gripped the handlebars... well you get the idea.
TGV used to be the groovy kind of place that needed a soldering iron even though they were a software developer. Hold your hat over your heart when you remember the last time you saw a shop like that last.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Sure its one thing to report something you casually spot, but to run around like some kind of environmental super-hero, without reguards for peoples privacy .. come on seriously. Maybe that golf course has a permit? Now you're going around badmouthing them when they've obtained legal means to build that wall. Asshole.
..There's a-dooin's a-transpirin'
If I had sold my stock one month earlier I would be like him.
Although it is only a week old, the site already has received more than 5,000 hits.
Was the article accepted to be put on slashdot just to up those number of hits a bit more??
which would take up about 99 CD-ROMS' worth of computer memory
Hmm, I hope they don't send the archives using 99 CD's worth... we all know what an environmentally friendly company AOL is with their set of coasters. ;)
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
Man, what a bunch of dirty hippies. God damn, cut your hair and get a job, and let people do whatever the fuck they want with their own damn property.
i can see my house from here...
What's wrong with seawalls?
WHAT'S WRONG WITH SEAWALLS???
I am shocked and outraged that you would show such an utter lack of consideration, Taco.[1]
Well if you don't know why seawalls are bad by now (and ones that are ILLEGAL too, I might add), I sure as hell won't be the one to tell you.
Humph.
[1] Yes, all editors are taco.
It would be way cool to have a panoramic photo of the entire California coastline (or at least a significant chunk of it) from stitching all those photos together. Set it up as a movie, perhaps, offering a sort of virtual fly-by of the coastline.
--Brandon / Split Infinity Music
If I have photos proving you did something illegal, then the burden of proof is still on me as the accuser. Its just I already have proof.
Democracy isn't about no one telling you what to do. It's about everyone telling you what to do.
holy crap, you can see my house!
Although it is only a week old, the site already has received more than 5,000 hits
:)
I don't think these people have ever heard of the slashdot effect
This is CA. Animals have more rights than people (unless you are a movie star)
Yes, it's much better to deny people the right to build a seawall, and then spend billions on beach reclamation projects. Sheeeeerrrrr Genius (said in Wile E. Coyote voice)
A better use would be to take the computer and beat in the skull of the head of the Army Corps of Engineers and the greenie-weenie's he serves.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Meanwhile, in an attempt to one-up Ken's website californiacoastline.org, photographer J. Smiley has published a new web site: jennascoastline.org in which he promises to photograph every 500mm of Jenna Jameson's body. Environmentalists hope they can use this new data to finally settle the "are those real" debate.
The step for advocacy againsg illegal acts is:
1: Identify act
2: Confirm act is illegal
3: Publicice act as illegal.
One does not skip step 2, unless one wants to get slapped with a nasty slander / libel suit. (IANAL,BIWIWO)
what a bunch of statists
"runs on solar power"
Must be cloudy over there, eh?
did anyone check the meta info on the microsoftfree.com website?
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
44 gigs of images has nothing on some socially impared guys I know.
I understand why their illegal, but why would you want to build one?
[part of the old dextr0us buisness plan]
1. figure out why someone would want a sea wall
2. sell sea walls
3. sell sea wall removers
4. ????
5. profit!
"Martha Stewart can lick my Scrotum......do i have a scrotum?" -- Sharon Osbourne
After thinking about my post above... Seems like it would be much easier to just take a decent digital camcorder and fly down the coast at a moderate rate of speed. Better continuous coverage, much much faster, and if the real purpose IS to look for breakwaters or illegal rockpiles, certainly a digital camcorder image would work for that.
I wonder if there isn't some other motive here, requiring high-res images.
(Like getting free publicity on Slashdot for using exclusively non-MS technology for a cool task, perhaps.....? Naaaaahhhh....)
--Brandon / Split Infinity Music
Slayer help us, there must be something vampiric going one. Watch it, you'll be the next to be sacrified !!!
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Biting the hand that feeds you is an essential part of corporate criticism. The "Boycott Adobe" web site, before it was taken down, was made with Adobe products. They even advertised that fact on their site.
It's the coastline after all. The guy isn't breaking into buildings or anything. What he is doing is similar to a very successful group called the Riverkeepers. This group patrols the Hudson river and watches for people dumping illegally. They are the major reason that the Hudson is no longer the utter cesspool it used to be. The government has neither the resources nor the inclination to enforce its environmental laws and so it is up to citizens to do so.
How 'bout people who want to do whatever the fuck they want with their property go live somewhere without an ecosystem? I'll be the first to penny up to shoot you people to separate asteroids.
He is leaning out the side of a helicopter taking these photos? How about mounting this on the bottom of the copter in a rattle-free housing and having the photos taken automatically at specfic time intervals.
This is like a Barney Rubble story of aerial photography.
I forget...are we at war with Eurasia or East Asia?
I have to agree with the attorney in the article? I think this is going a little to far. What good does this really do? Who are they actually protecting? And whose rights are they violating? Whats next the Sierra Club lowering cameras into my back yard to make sure I am not using too much fertilizer or pesticide on my lawn? Or PETA to make sure I am not doing anything they disagree with (which includes pretty much EVERYTHING, including owning any pet). Where do we draw the line? Can I use sonar or radar to make sure people aren't storing excess paint or motor oil in their garages?
These people shouldn't be hailed as heros, they haven't really done anything other then invade the privacy of land owners.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. With the GPS data handy (and plotting a best-fit to the chopper path to get the viewing angle) it should be easy to calculate the paralax and foreshortening from frame-to-frame, and there is quite a bit you'll notice; coastal features like cliff faces look different from different frames. Still, the morphing that would be required might not be too bad. And if one were to save the intermediate sequences...why...you could sail along the coast in real-time, following the chopper path as it must have been at the time.
I wonder if some render farm could crunch on this pro bono? Of course, you'd need a couple terabytes more storage...
=^..^= all your rodent are belong to us
The site says "Microsoft Free Means Doing Without Rebooting -- Choose Linux, FreeBSD".
It *doesn't* say that the authors of the website choose to be "Microsoft Free".
It's a reference website on the definition of the phrase "Microsoft Free". They have a little way to go on fleshing it out if they want it to be included in the OED but it's a start.
I can't think of bigger waste of land and resources than a golf cource. Drive through Palm Springs CA and you'll see what I mean. Imagine how much water is wasted just so people can play a GAME. Not a sport. I'm not much for development but houses would be better than empty land set aside for golfers. Anybody who stops the golfing industry is on the side of Good and Light in my book.
This guy is way out there
You should be modded as a troll
which page exactly ? cos the frameset , the cgi frame and the left hand frame have no mention of microsoft anywhere, there is even a button saying no ms products was used and after browsing the site and viewing source everywhere there is no mention or nasty ms meta tags are visible
if you are gonna make such statements back em up with a url
I like the idea of converting to solar power especially in Ontario.
The size of solar array that I would need is only about four times larger than my property in downtown Toronto.
However, if I stack the panels four high I believe I can fit them all in.
134340: I am not a number. I am a free planet!
I don't know but when i read
No Microsoft products were used in creating this web site.
My first thought when I read this was the disclaimer
No animals were harmed in the making of this film that always appears at the bottom of movie credits.
I stole this Sig
http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.c gi?image=6133&mode=sequential&flags=0
Sorry I forgot to put A tags in the first one.
Tim
Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
Um
Perhaps you ought to look into fuel consumption for a R44 before you go spouting off.
If you were to look at the R44 Spec Sheet you'll see that the standard fuel capacity is 30.6 US gal. with a max range of 400 miles.
A little simple math shows us that 400/30.6 is equal to what kids? That's right, 13.07 mpg. Now, let's take a look at the gas economy on your SUV..... hmm... Comparible, is it?
-- El Sacarino tiene gusto de la chocha
He has 4 electric cars, runs his server on solar power, and then flies around in a GAS POWERED helicopter?! What the heck kind of environmentalist wacko is he?! Doesn't anyone think he should be using something more "environmentally friendly"?
The best part is that the photos can be used to extort more campaign contributions via special favors from the coastal commission.... What a fantastic state we live in.
I'm more worried by how badly out of date that website is. Anything that's trying to convince me to run Mandrake 6.1 needs a bit of updating.
There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.
And you wonder why people get mad at the Eco-Nazi's? Just flying around turning people into the government for breaking their leftist laws. Gee, As long as the eye-in-sky uses technology to violate my privacy its a good thing.
I guess it's easier if you are the department of ecology.
http://apps.ecy.wa.gov/shorephotos/index.html
Jeez man I can't believe this story.
Here's a kind of vigilante guy in his helo taking pictures of properties down the coast looking for bad guys buidling walls along the beach (is this a real problem?, yeah, real criminals these guys are! scum of the earth!).
How many tons of CO2 is he releasing in the atmosphere doing that? But wait, it's alright! he's using a solar-powered PC and he is running Linux.
That makes it all OK. Guys, I'm leaving slashdot, goodbye.
add to that:
"...and is SLASHDOTTED to hell and back."
For the past few months, I've been trying to figure out where I was when I took this picture.
It's been bugging me since I got back from vacation this summer.
Using this site, I was able to match it in a few minutes!
Now I just need to figure out the name of that park...
They should have used an effective and inexpensive method, like building a tunnel for the frogs...
(I have GOT to get back to California to get a picture of an advertisement billboard they've got out there, before they wake up and take it down. In keeping with the "frog" theme, they have a giant fluorescent frog posing on a series of billboards with the text of the advertisement. One of them says Davis is "Green and Safe and Nuclear Free"....with a GIANT GLOWING FROG standing next to the words. Too funny...)
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NASA, is using a digital camera, satellite, and a Power Books to take a high resolution photographs every 500 feet down the California coast. The goal? Busting people putting up illegal sea walls. The catch so far? One golf course covered the beach with boulders. Also of note: the satellite has 44 TBytes of photos so far, runs on solar power, and is Microsoft Free. Best use of technology I've seen all month!"
- Arwen, I'm your father, Agent Smith.
- Well, you're just Smith, but my father is Aerosmith!
If building a tunnel underneath is not possible, may I suggest they build a frog-a-pult.
You just know you have to google to see if such a things exists...
t
Go visit some place where industrial development has existed without enviromental concerns. Like China, the ex-U.S.S.R, or East Germany. Is that what you want to live in? I don't think so.
If you want to piss in your bathtub, go ahead, but if I catch you pissing in _our_ bathtub.....
"A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
*Note to self* No nekkid monkey-business on the beach when helicopters are nearby...
I'll take Windows95 over MacOS 9.2 for stability performance etc. I don't see how the Microsoft free jab applies here anyway since Apple is as bad as MS if not worse with their business practices.
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He is donating the photos -- which would take up about 99 CD-ROMS' worth of computer memory -- to environmental groups.
Time to use DVD-R blanks.
damn this guy must be filthy rich flying around in helicopters with 4 electric cars and that giant solar array. I wonder what he is going to charge for royalties on his coastlin picture.
I find it amusing that this environmentalist has 4 electric cars to save the environment, but then owns a helicoptor, which probably burns more fuel in a day than a normal car burns in a year.
Vote for Pedro
for folks to live on?
Better habitat for wildlife, more places for people to live, less erosion of the actual coast, etc.
Of course, it won't be so good for the surfers and the folks who paid lots of money to live right on the edge, but for the rest of us (animals & plants included) it would be very nice to have lots of places to live on the coastal shelf.
It's not just my crazy idea: Dutch planners eye a new frontier: the raging North Sea
"A square yard of land reclaimed from the North Sea costs about 260 guilders, or about $130. The same size patch of mainland can cost more than triple that."
The article talks about seawalls, more then likely built to protect the property owners land from erosion, not building brick walls in the middle of a sand box. Sure the public owns the beaches, but don't the property owners have some rights too? They have paid millions of dollars for thar land next to the beach, don't they deserve to keep it for a while before the ocean reclaims it? Also these are the same people putting millions if not billions into the local economy. Sure it might suck to not have a little bit of beach access or that spot with the killer waves, but I think it would suck worse if they didn't build and your county didn't have enough money to by books for kids or repair the roads. Envionmentalism has its place, but without large buissnesses tax dollars things would suck.
Also read the article closely about the land developer ho put bolders on the beach, it says he just needed a permit, he may or may not get one, but more then likely he will and the bolders will stay, just more tax dollars I guess. Go envionmentalist, help the goverment collect more tax dollars.
If your house was next to a park, and the lake in the park flooded every year wouldn't you want some protection? Or what if you lived on the beach and your land was washing into the sea? Shouldn't you be allowed to put up some sort of seawall?
Geomorphic or Geographic, yes. I've yet to meet anyone who does serious geophysics based solely on aerial photos.
Really? Win95 had that awful bug where it couldn't stay up for more than 40 days due to an issue with a tick counter rolling over and crashing the box. Nobody noticed this for years, yet Mac OS 9 while not the fastest of webservers has shown decent stability according to Netcraft.
Examples please?
What gets me about this is how old (and obvious) this advice really is.
Whatever one's religious beliefs, it's generally agreed that Jesus know how to make a point. In Matthew 7:24-27, he tells a story about a foolish builder who builds his house on sand. His audience would have laughed about that.
Two thousand years later, people with degrees in architecture and engineering build houses (and even gigantic hotels) out on the beach, and then try to get the government to spend tax money on beach replenishment when the ocean comes to take away their buildings.
People who put up seawalls should have to pay to remove them, and people who build on sand shouldn't get one penny of my tax money for beach replenishment. Building on sand is so obviously stupid that anyone who does it doesn't deserve any help from anybody.
And if I feel the property is threatened, I will take steps to avoid it. And if the Sierra Club douchebags try to make trouble for me, I'll take them to court, win, and waste their precious few donations.
We should ban all rocks. I can't believe people have rocks on their land. I think everone with rocks shoud be arrested!
Zoid.com
But can it survive a slashdotting?
"Really? Win95 had that awful bug where it couldn't stay up for more than 40 days due to an issue with a tick counter rolling over and crashing the box. Nobody noticed this for years, yet Mac OS 9 while not the fastest of webservers has shown decent stability according to Netcraft."
I couldn't even surf the web on a mac for an hour without crashing the machine when running MacOS 9. That's a lot shorter than 40 days. MacOS 9 had no memory protection, no real memory management, no preemptive multitasking, etc. It was a nightamre having to use those machines.
"I don't see how the Microsoft free jab applies here anyway since Apple is as bad as MS if not worse with their business practices."
Remember all those companies that used to make Apple clones? Apple refused to sell them MacOS for a reasonable price after Jobs took over, effectively putting them out of business. Also, a company called Exponential came out with a PowerPC chip for Macs. Apple didn't want it, but the clone makers did. Apple, however, refused to let the clone makers modify the bios to boot MacOS with the new PowerPC chip. Exponential went out of business shortly thereafter (Apple also breached their own contract with Exponential, as well).
Vote for Pedro
they are illegal because the beach is considered public property. You can't own the beach. You are not allowed to block public access to a stretch of beach (ie: building a wall from ocean to your official property to prevent someone from strolling down the beach.
Very true Mr. Zumbrun, "Innocent until proven guilty" in the U.S.A. The photos will (1) help prove them guilty, and have the illegal seawall ordered removed (and owner possibly fined), or (2) make them remove the illegal seawalls prior to getting to (1). In either case, the objective of removing illegal seawalls is achieved.
"Although it is only a week old, the site already has received more than 5,000 hits. Photographs featured on it recently became evidence in one dispute in Half Moon Bay." More than 5,000 hits? Boy these news sites are sure out of date. =)
..everyone knows that these guys will just start using tranparent aluminum, after all, Scotty did give us the plans for it.
They actually have a cadre of people who ensure that animals are not harmed in the making of those motion pictures. I think almost all US pictures carry that disclaimer, but I don't pay enough attention to the indies to know for sure. It began after several horses died in the making of some old westerns. Following that one of the big animal organizations, not PETA, but more like the kennel club, began a movement to greatly reduce animal risks in movies. Hollywood is pretty careful in bee scenes because there are pretty well defined rules about what endangerment can take place before you don't get to use the tag line.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
For the first person or group of people to make a sign big enough to appear on the photos. "HI MUM!"
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this is the one thing that bugs me is all the idiots that build on a likely place that is going to get damaged from proven natural causes in the past and then collect insurance on thier lack of planning,sure they do pay more in premiums but it still raises the premiums on people that live in a more stable area to cover the cost of these morons...
I find it rather amusing (in a sad way) that some people are "proud of not using any Microsoft products" (which are made by well-fed and well-paid programmers) but don't have any problems with using, wearing or even advertising "Nike products", for example (which are made by exploited workers - often children - in 3rd world countries).
It seems to me that some people confuse morality with fashion.
Being "Microsoft-free" should not be an end in itself, or something to brag about. There are plenty of good (positive) reasons to use other operating systems and open-source software; you shouldn't use them simply to be "Microsoft-free", that's an insult to the developers.
RMN
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Good on this guy. If the government won't pull their finger out it is the obligation of the citizens.
Seen a lot of comments here about why seawalls are bad and the only explanations given are legals ones. Not suprising given most people here are americans.
The reason is one of basic physics, the legal arguments have to take second place.Unless you think you can legislate against nature. Please ignore this if you think you have a right to destroy other people property and public property and the general environment to protect your own interests.
If there is a rock, a wall, a washed up spare tyre, anything that is a hard object on the beach, then when the water hits it during normal wave action, the wave will retreat back to sea at a higher speed because it's energy hasn't been absorbed. Normal beaches (with sand) absorb the wave impact. If the water is going faster, it removes sand as it returns to the ocean and thus erodes the beach, much faster than natural movements. Even a small hard object on a beach can show this, one season I saw the tire I mentioned above, a tractor tyre, chop a gully about 0.5m deep and about 6-7m wide, just from wave action on this one small object. A wall will destroy the beach.
Remember beaches ARE NOT FIXED in the earth, they rise, fall and move around on a seasonal basis. Beach nourishment is not to replace sand that is lost, but to re-build the natural shoke absorbing action of an already eroded one.
Sydney residents please visit http://www.realsurf.com/nowall/ and please think about supporting this cause, we know what private interests have f**ked up in the states through ignorance and greed, lets not let it happen at home.
phil
Sure, maybe they shouldn't build there, but if they didn't and the land just sat fallow the city/county would not get tax money (property, buissness whatever) and hence would not be able to do as much. Societies where everything if owned by the people (or government) are called socialist/communist states, and so far we have proven that it just doesn't work. So unless you really enjoy living under the rule of big brother maybe you should quite down and realize that capitalism works and most everything else doesn't. If you don't like big buissess move to a country without it (like Chad or Cambodia or how about China, I hear the "people" own everything there).
If I was foolish enough to live within 100 miles of an ocean, I wouldn't feel safe unless there was at least some sort of wall between me and Cthulhu.
No, no, that's not a life, that's a grotesquely stretched anus. I understand; I make the same mistake all the fuckin' time.
Actually, if your property is threatened, building a sea wall will not prevent it from being washed away. In fact, it may actually speed its demise. Even people who aren't card-carrying, tree-hugging Sierra Club douchebags can see that.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Solar powered web site? No wonder I can't get any response ... it's night time.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Just wanted to clarify one issue in this topic. In the U.S. the coastline is public property up to the high tide line, and while you do not have the right to loiter on anywhere inland past that--you are allowed to trespass to get to an ajoining property
If this project hadn't been approved by the voters thirty years ago, before the California Coastal Commission was created, it wouldn't have been allowed. It was built during the excesses of the dot-com boom; it might yet go bust.
Wouldn't it be sweet if they mailed them on CD-RWs? I could always use some extra CD-RWs, even if they all said "AOL IS MY ASS-MASTER" on them. They get advertising, I get free media. Everyone wins!
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Two thousand years later, people with degrees in architecture and engineering build houses (and even gigantic hotels) out on the beach, and then try to get the government to spend tax money on beach replenishment when the ocean comes to take away their buildings.
Technically speaking, they don't build the houses on the beach, they build them on piers which are supposed to be sunk to bedrock, so it's effectively building on bedrock, stability-wise. Of course if Ma Nature wants to leave that house standing on piers, I agree with your governmental policy issues.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
"I am not a lawyer, but I wish I was one ?"
;-). Plus I'm hoping that there's another interpretation that I don't see...)
Please leave immediately.
(For the humor impaired,
He's just taking the photos - they're useful for more than just whaling on golf courses. It was the Sierra Club that took issue about the boulders. READ TEH ARTICAL.
If the jackass flies at 500 ft in my yard he's gonna get reported to the FAA. I wonder how far up a red lasar pointer is good for ?
1. Perl script / content rip
2. compile mpeg from series of high res jpegs
3. VCD
4. Get stoned and go flying
Um, can anyone say "camcorder"?
:-)
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If you don't mention the camera or the helicopter model, why do you have to mention the laptop is a Powerbook? Why do other people have to pay for the ads while Apple gets free advertising on Slashdot? Or do they pay the editors directly...?
This is a 'Good Thing' huh? Hmm... I guess the government should invest a giant fleet of helicopters and cameras so they can take pictures of my property to make sure that I'm not breaking any laws. Hell, why don't they do it 24/7 to make sure that I don't.
For a website that throws a fit everytime something remotely resembling the slightest probability of a possible invasion of privacy, it is remarkable this is presented as
good'. The hypocrisy of that position when related to the traditional slashdot paranoia about 'big brother' is unbelieveable.
When I first read the headline, I thought that they were actually blowing up illegal seawalls remotely and I was like "Damn, that's some cool shit!" Oh, they're busting the people making the walls. That's just not as cool.
Solar power? Hmm, denial of service with some towels.
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just because they paid millions for a piece of land. they desrve to beable to fuck up the beach? Remember, They were the retards who bought on the beach perhaps a minor bit or research would show them that beaches are dynamic landforms. If you can afford a 2 million dollar house and you are to dumb to talk to someone about erosion goddam it hope your house falls into the sea. And the person taking the pictures is simply prevebnting people from fucking up everyones beach wile futilely trying to defend their own mistake.
My problem is most envionmentalists only see the small picture.
You could not be further from the truth, While there are some dumb cause based environmentalist wannabes, envirobnmentalists see a picture much bigger than the one you are describing.
They are seeing the entire future of the planet as it relattes to human and all other life.
Human action on the planet is causing one of the the bigest extinction events in the history of the planet.
Nature is complex enough to make the economy pale in comparsion, and economists cant even make reasonable predictions on the economy, Human medldling has the potential to make life a whole lot worse for the majority of the planet from hundreds or thousandsa of generations to come, The future of a polluting steel mill is truely the small picture. We're talking irrevocably damaging pieces from a system we couldnt begin to understand. We wont extinct life but we are already making things very unpleasant for people in many parts of the world. In LA now a baby recieves more than the considered dosage for a lifetime of various air polutants before thay are a few weeks old. Remember its not just the people live us environmentalists are concerned about its our children and their children.
You dont even have a concept of the big picture. And many environmentalists do present solutions apparently you dont listen. The problem is most of te solutions are unpopluar as they donot involve the fanasy of limiteless growth, They involve people decreasing material consumption, using solutions such as mass transit putting communities health above individuual wealth. Call me a commie earythfreak or whatever, but I will assure you of this very few sciientists in the earth science field would disgree with the statement that we are continuing to cause damage to the planet which could cause major harship to our species inthe very near future in fact we are already doing so.
In the dispute with the hotel, couldn't (shouldn't?) the government simply take photos of the boulders on the beach themselves for evidence? I could see if the photos were taken over time, and showed the differences, but this sounds like just one current point in time the photos were taken. Sounds like it's just slightly more convenient to use his photo taken from the water. Hardly as sensational as it sounds.
Secondly, this guy owns four electric cars, but also flies a helicopter? I would guess that the amount of helicopter fuel burned, and air and sound pollution produced in a short outing would *far* outweigh most people's gas usage for a month. Just seems a little out of kilter. (Of course, I'm assuming it's not an *electric* helicopter :-)
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Building on the beach is like building on a freshly cooled lava flow. Only build as close to a volcanoe as you're willing to accept the risks.
If the coast is erroding at 2 feet per year and you'd kinda like your house to still be around in 50 years then you'd better add a minimum of 100 feet to all your figures.
As for buildings, homes, and roads that are threatened, it's not like it is exactly a sudden or unexpected event. Everyone involved has YEARS to to make other arrangements.
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Whips out a used envelope for "back-of-the-envelope" calculations
Lessee... He takes a picture every 500 feet. Thats 10.5 pictures per mile. A movie plays at about 30 frames/sec. If each picture is a frame in the flyby, you're looking at a speed of 3 miles/second, or about Mach 14.57 (it is at sea level).
Conclusion: the flyby will pretty much be a blur.
Wish i had mod points. Interesting web page.
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hypocrisy?? slashdot???
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Conclusion: the flyby will pretty much be a blur.
Where's the problem here? The Burning Man festival was kind of a blur for me, too, but i had a pretty good time!
You know, there is nothing special about transparent aluminum. It has been known to mankind for thousands of years. Its optical properties make it desirable for many applications from lasers to astronomy. Its hardness makes it desirable for many more. It is one of the most chemically inert materials known, which makes it popular in medical and chemical fields. With some impurities, its beauty and color makes it popular in jewelry.
What the hell am I talking about? Sapphire. Sapphire is nothing more than crystals of aluminum oxide, a.k.a. Corundum (with Chromium impurities, it turns red and is called Ruby). It is a material that occurs naturally, and it has also has been synthetically manufactured by 21st century humans for decades.
You've all been completely fooled by a stupid Star Trek writer. Nowhere in the film did they mention that the "transparent aluminum" was in metallic form. Psych!
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The sad thing is that I think the mods of troll and flamebait are not probably accurate. I find it far more likely that you actually believe the garbage you're spewing. So let's dissect this pablum one point at a time.
Sure the public owns the beaches, but don't the property owners have some rights too? They have paid millions of dollars for thar land next to the beach, don't they deserve to keep it for a while before the ocean reclaims it?
Basically what you're saying is that incredibly wealthy people have a right to destroy public property because they paid a lot for their houses. You're an idiot. Nobody has a right to break the law. I don't have a right to drive 150 on the interstate just because I'm rich enough to buy an Italian sports car. If they want the law changed, being filthy rich they have much, much more access to the political system than most people do. If they can't change it through process then, like the rest of us, they have to obey the law or pay the consequences.
Also these are the same people putting millions if not billions into the local economy... Envionmentalism has its place, but without large buissnesses tax dollars things would suck.
God, no matter how many times I hear it it still makes me laugh. Thank God for the wealthy, they're saving America. Are YOU rich, man, or are you just a dumb little brain-washed pawn?
"The $150 billion for corporate subsidies and tax benefits eclipses the annual budget deficit of $130 billion. It's more than the $145 billion paid out annually for the core programs of the social welfare state: Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), student aid, housing, food and nutrition, and all direct public assistance (excluding Social Security and medical care). After World War II, the nation's tax bill was roughly split between corporations and individuals. But after years of changes in the federal tax code and international economy, the corporate share of taxes has declined to a fourth the amount individuals pay, according to the US Office of Management and Budget." --Boston Globe series on Corporate Welfare July 7-9 1996.
And don't get me started about the taxes wealthy individuals pay. Yeah, they pay a lot of taxes... because they are so insanely wealthy. Don't slap one of your canned conservative jives on me as to how the rich are propping up the tax system and paying such unfair income taxes I'll just nip you in the bud by pointing out the obvious realities tha anyone that isn't a stupid little shill for wealthy fucks knows, that these analyses are garbage because one, they don't consider payroll taxes - the top 1 percent of the population pays only 4.2 percent of the payroll taxes, whereas average Americans pay 7.65 percent on their earned income - and two, it is precisely the concentration of income at the top that leads to an increase in the percentage of income tax, which is what has occurred in recent years. The top 1 percent of the population has experienced extraordinary after-tax income gains that vastly exceed the gains in after-tax income of the rest of the population. These people are wealthier than ever.
This is to say nothing of Wealthy transnational tax evaders... military waste and fraud, Social Security tax inequities,
accelerated depreciation, lower taxes on capital gains, The S&L Bailout ($32 billion/year for 30 years!), homeowners' tax breaks, agribusiness subsidies, tax-free municipal bonds, media handouts, excessive government pensions, insurance loopholes, nuclear subsidies, aviation subsidies, business meals and entertainment, mining subsidies, oil and gas tax breaks, export subsidies, synfuel tax credits, timber subsidies, and ozone tax exemptions... by some estimates being taken by the rich for a total of almost $470 billion in wealthfare each year. The bottom line is that the tiny skim of people at the top have done better and better, gotten wealthier and wealthier - while the wealth of EVERYONE else has stagnated or worse decreased.
Go envionmentalist, help the goverment collect more tax dollars.
Weren't you just saying how things would "suck" if businesses didn't pay taxes? Why the fuck should some coastal golf course in California, a sinkhole of wealth if I ever saw one, be allowed to evade permit fees, even assuming that is all they need to keep their boulder pile, which the article does not say, just that applying for a permit is ONE of the legalities this fucking adjacent to the Ritz-Carlton Half-Moon Bay golf course failed to follow. Thank god the poor harrassed golf-course developers have pansies like you to defend them from the oddball dot-com millionaire with a helicopter and a digital camera.
If your house was next to a park, and the lake in the park flooded every year wouldn't you want some protection?
If you build your house next to a park that floods every year you're an idiot. These rich assholes know damn good and well that they are buying property that is eroding, and that the laws of their state prevent them from a cheap-ass ecology-destroying stop-gap, and they do it anyway, in plain sight from a public vantage point, and you're squeaking about how this guy is violating their privacy?!! Yeah, get that one on the refferendum, how dare we violate the rights of the exceptionally wealthy to privately break the law in view of public beaches? Please have yourself sterilized immediately.
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I can think of at least 3 cartoons where he spoke out loud, and I believe there were one or two others.
I know at least two of them were were relatively recent (i.e. post-Dr.Seuss cartoon) Chuck Jones cartoons, There was at least one that I believe was a Charles M. Jones (same person, but pre-Dr.Seuss style), and I think at least one Robert McKimson...
Uh, yes, I've watched a few cartoons in my time. What of it? When I was a child, like many people, I promised myself that when I got older, I'd watch cartoons whenever I wanted. If I can't even keep a solemn promise I made to MYSELF, how could anyone ELSE ever trust me?...
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So Apple refused to licence out a product to other people in order to protect their bottom line, and then refused to modify their product so that it would work with a competitor's product. So where is the illegal move? Seriously, as much as it sucks to not be able to get a cheap mac clone anymore, Apple didn't do anything illegal. Unlike M$, every time Apple modifies and licences their software out to other platforms, they have one less sale on their books. The clone's were cutting Apple's bottom line. Therefore the clones had to go.
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I'm not saying what they did should illegal, although it probably is according to the Sherman antitrust legislation. I'm saying that when MS does these types of things, everyone complains about monopolistic practices. Yet Apple protects their monopoly in the same manner, and everyone's fine with it. People should at least be consistent in their arguements.
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Adelman is making even more people ticked at environmentalists. He is now flying up and down rivers looking for retaining walls and rip-rap (rocks used as bank protection) and taking high resolution digital pictures. Apparently he thinks people should not be able to protect their land from washouts even though they own the land on which the rocks are being placed, not in the river itself. Adelman flew dangerously low (no more than 100 feet) over my house (I live near a river) twice a few days ago taking picture out the side of his Robinson R44 Astro helicopter. He came so low I could see his face mask, helmet, and digital camera. Now that I know who he is, a complaint will be forthcomming with the FAA because I felt endangered and violated. I have never seen a helicopter fly that low going that fast. Although a helicopter can legally fly below 500 feet, they are not allowed to fly recklessly. His wife (Gabrielle) was really zipping that thing around. Other neighbors noticed as well and were upset by his/her antics. I think it would be good to post a website featuring high resolution pictures of Adelman's back yard. How about www.adlemansbackyard.com ? He has the biggest solar collectors in the California. That should be easy to find in Corralitos, especially from the air.
www.earthviewer.com
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This is a panoramic photo of the Entire EARTH!! (OpenGL) This thing is so cool.. too bad it doesn't have the entire Earth in Hi-Res though..
People didn't have the problem with M$ doing what Apple does because M$ didn't. The problems that were lodged against M$ involved bundling (and making it impossible to remove) applications from the system and bullying OEMs to prevent competitor distribution (read the BeOS lawsuit writeup [warning PDF]).
Also, people don't nessesarily have to be consistant. Things should be judged on a case by case basis. It slows down judgements sure, but not all cases that look similar are the same.
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Not off-topic and definitely some good points!
But actually that makes it a more valid protest - that person obviously was an Adobe customer, and now they're calling for a boycott. That's a lot stronger statement than me, a non-Adobe customer, calling for a boycott. The boycott doesn't hurt me, but it possibly would hurt the "Boycott Adobe" site owner. In a sense they were putting their money where their mouths were.
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