PE is really dependent on growth potential, WSJ has some stats comparing 2008 to 2009 for facebook, http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/535780/FACEBOOK-DETAILS-LEAKED%3A-Company-Is-Much-More-Profitable-Than-Everyone-Thought that shows a 3* increase in sales and 2* increase in revenue from one year ago. If that could be maintained, it would grow into that PE within 3 years. With the last 2 years being relative down years in general a PE of 100 wouldn't concern me. However a Price/Sales ratio of 25* (to justify $50 B.) Personally if compared to other tech stocks, even with big growth optimism, I would think more around 25 Billion could be justified now. For $50Billion justification I would need confidence they could grow 4* current within 5 years, but that is definitely not outlandish )(they doubled last year, if they double next year, and the year after that would be 4*.
why should businesses have to compete with a business that faces a different set of tax rules to them?
Because they are using the Australian government resources. The retail space is relying on the local police, fire, sewer, and street lights/local beautification that is needed to draw customers into the store, keep them safe. They must pay for them in the manner the area decides. The remote shipper is paying the required taxes for it locality, and the payments to the shippers should be taking care of their remote Australian government uses (roads, etc.) The local merchants have a vote, and more say on what is important to them in that locality, while the remote merchants don't.
> As for intercepting and deciphering meter data (a truly non-trivial task), it would be far easier for thieves to simply watch the houses in a given neighborhood Your assuming some security that's not likely there, the point of the article, it need to be done right for that to remain true. Power lines are un-shielded so intercepting it is as simple as a small antenna. These systems also currently work by having a reader download what is stored in all meters for a building/neighborhood on demand (trust me the data will not be deleted on read, too easy to lose your usage.) So once the system is cracked, a attacker could walk up to a apartment building, or entire block with a Laptop, download the history for a month for all apartments in the building in less than a second, and have a analysis program that tells him immediately which apartments are empty and for how long, and of them which have the most smart devices...
My understanding is yes to all. But likely not completely. I have family retired from GE loco, years ago they sold around 50 locomotives to China. First 5 were complete shipped from USA, next 20 were increasingly built in china. Last 25 were left to china. So they bought licenses, made changes, and likely wouldn't hesitate to go beyond the license if desired. GE is probably betting they will be ahead of china by the time the contact is done, and that it is beyond china to maintain the ability, let alone expand and compete. Exactly what patents are ment to be, a head start, but not a permanent monopoly (for the inventors).
The confusion here is refusing a road-side breath test vs all tests. In arizona road side tests cannot be used for defense as they are unreliable, only admitted by prosecution as cause. Breathalyzer at the station is accurate, requires probable cause, and refusing; results in what you say. DUI lawyers recommend only taking the latter, as a good result helps. Most states allow you to request skipping all roadside tests without any punishment (other than a trip to the station.)
they decided in this case since the law had not yet been deemed unconstitutional and the officers acted in good faith, the evidence was still admissible
Wow, not sure where you got that the evidence was still admissible, that would be a very, very big precedent if true. Please provide this information. The law has always been that ignorance of the law is not a defense, regardless the side you were on. I could see the lack of president would prevent any civil, or criminal mis-conduct, but the evidence (as in this case) must be thrown out (and according to the article was) the moment it is deemed un-constitutional. What you may be referring to, is that the emails were indeed in-admissiable, but because the contents were initially reached in good faith, all evidence gathered based on the emails thereafter was still admissible. In the future if they get emails without a warrant, that will taint all evidence gathered, or subpoenas, etc gathered/granted based on the content of emails acquired without warrant.
Paypal, and the US government both deny that any pressure was applied. It appears to me to be about stopping the next release (about banking) than the last release. Same with Assange, you think the US wants him out of control of the UK? Even that smells more like a more banking friendly move, than a US government move. More of a chess move to get him under control before, not after.
you might read a few of those (not just the headlines.) Most say either the US denies pressure, or Paypal points to a letter from the state department to Wiki leaks, only one of the top 8 links say anything was sent directly to Pay pal, and although it uses quotation marks, it gives no source for that quote. Even that one later contradicts it's self and says Paypal decided because of "violation of the PayPal acceptable use policy" Basically they are all learning the truth, and correcting their stories to reflect the realty, that paypal was never sent anything directly. Paypal simply used a memo from the state department that was not sent to Paypal, but was simply published by the state department (according to the links you sent.)
we should immediately send them back to Iran to be executed.
I think he was more saying anyone who knowingly posses that information, shared it or analyzed it should also be sent back to be prosecuted as well. So yeah that would seam to imply our intelligence offices should know almost nothing about Iran's Nuclear program, or all deserving of imprisonment/death if they do.
when both Mastercard and Paypal stated quite bluntly that the government made them do it
I missed this, paypal says specifically the US government never asked. Only mentions the open letter stating that wikileaks may violate some vague TOS. What do you expect the Banks to say, "we don't like that WikiLeaks is getting ready to expose our banking fraud, so we are trying to show them who is boss first?" I would bet more on this.
Really? The government can just threaten companies to get them to stop providing services to people whose speech the government doesn't like? And that's not a free speech issue?
seams like many similar laws stand, Fed government can't set speed limits, drinking age limits, Id requirements, etc, etc because it is in the states rights. So instead they charge a gasoline tax in the states, and if they don't follow the federal mandates, they just don't get any "transportation" money back. I assume the same is true for these organizations, they are now receiving some special treatment for taking away free speech rights of others, they won't sue the government cause they like the treatment they get better. We can't sue CC/Paypal because they are not legally required to provide this service for all. Sounds like it is up to us if we want to punish these companies, because regardless of the legality, it isn't going to be challenged legally.
shipping guy I used to work with refused to mark anything "fragile" he figured it was considered a challenge to some shipping guys. It is the package most likely to give a good breaking sound if he throws it hard enough.
Sounds like most church's, Although W. Bush only found religion in 1985, he chose southern Methodist, it has to be one of the more racist churchs, excluding "black churchs", from gatherings with the white churchs until 1968, and the first black bishop in 1980. Pretty typical of all southern "white" churches, Although the Methodist church admitted their racist past, and repented for their actions, even money if W's church agrees.
I think you under estimate how wrong they think down loaders are. They expect the same outrage as when the video tape of the guy claiming to be a pimp running a child prostitution ring asked acorn how to best continue running his business, and they proceed to help him incorporate, etc. They honestly think he is helping to protect the equivalent of a child sex jon.
their are other advantages to not having a pilot light on 24/7. We have a propane fireplace with a pilot, the GF was doing crafts inside with some spray on glue this week, that warned to turn off pilot lights. Luckily the smell had her open the windows, and turn down the thermostat, but the pilot was still at the ready had the concentration reached the "right" mix. At least with the igniter the heat would have had to actually turn on with the concentration already correct. It does also have a "oxygen sensor" that would shut down the fire, not sure what it triggers on, or if it kills the pilot also.
I know that "simple" electrical system on my fridge failed, and turned on the auto-defrost continuously, melting everything in the freezer, spoiling milk etc $5 sensor, $60 damage. A look online shows it as a common failure of this thermostat. If the fridge would have been loaded with $600+ worth of food, like it is today, and I was away for the weekend I would have really appreciated a system that could send a text message alert (so would those expecting to show up on T-Day for a meal, to find I had gone to KFC instead. Of course the smart fridge would have noticed it was still defrosting before a hour had elapsed, and 4 of the 5 sensors were in agreement, and thrown a fault on the 5th bad sensor, and continued running with just a approximation of what temperature my beer was.
Sure it is 5* more likely to have some failure with a proper smart system. It is also 5* less likely for the fridge to become a oven.
body scanners can cost up to and exceeding $100,000
Maybe Janet got a offer to join the last Homeland Security secretary's comany the Chertoff Group. The Company that produces the body scanners, with a no-bid contract from the government. Maybe Janet needs to keep the scam growing to profit once she is out of government.
Realistically, neither case is a proof of what would happen anywhere else. I don't think either method (banned or required) will work everywhere. For example Mexico has the toughest gun laws in the world, yet gun violence is a huge problem, hasn't prevented gun violence for them. While Switzerland has the highest gun ownership rate in the World, yet is also one of the safest places to be in the world. Basically the Statistics seam to support that gun laws have little affect on violence and crime either way. A little effect on gun specific violence (but does not "prevent" anything.)
It isn't just about cheaper, it is also about speed and consistency. IE If a shipping company needs to moves 400 million Tons, they can either have 50 ships going 20 mph or 100 ships going 10 mph. Which wastes more resources, building 50 more ships, or powering 50 ships... Also the Ports are scheduled to 100% capacity 6 months ahead, mis-port by a day because of low wind, you might be waiting a long time for another chance. Also Apple doesn't want to load 6 months of supply of their Ipods into a container in china that will take 6 months to get to the US, then find out they were wrong, and either have a glut for months, or be stuck with inventory when they produce the next model.
> The guy stole "already stolen" credit cards still sounds valuable, IE if a scammer buys a list of stolen cards, you wouldn't know how many people that was already sold to. IF you mask it with a current FBI... list, and get matches: what you have is likely worthless, or not worth making cards from. If however it comes back clean, you at least know the Feds are not yet "onto your list." And likely have some time to use them. I would think (for this reason) the service would be to check your numbers, not to provide the entire list.
hardware quality and features the iphone has - not plasticy feeling junk - and gets Android on there, you're cooking with gas.
I don't know, I much prefer the motorola quality, to apple so far. Apple specs are 0 to 35 C operating range, and the forums are littered with posts of, yep 31 F, screen quits working, took considerable time to defrost. Droid forums shows post after post, of well my batterys don't last long at 13 F... Nothing plasticy with my DroidX IMO, but a prefer actual quality over appearance of quality. Similar on the top side, phone in the window in AZ, mostly no problems (Device shutdown is @150F) Styling wise, sure most competitors still people have some desires to reach Apple styling. Hardware quality wise, Apple products are consistently lowest environmental ratings (and performance) in the industry (definitely lowest specs in their price range.)
NG is currently commercial price is $6 / 1000cubic feet for 1 million BTU's worth. Diesel is 2.39 for 130,500BTU. so Diesel price is around 2* more expensive at commercial. Retail price (NG to your home) brings that down to Diesel 15% more expensive.
Diesel is way to expensive to run even a decent size business generator on much less a power plant.
Just slightly more expensive. Where I work is 100% diesel generator power, has been for the last 15 years, with several hundred employees running computers, welders, air conditioning, etc. The cost has worked out to about $.26/kwHr. My last home bill worked out to be $.24 / Kwhr when I divide the final bill by the electric used. Because my company also builds generators it does give a opportunity to test their generators. The previous job I had in the same area had much less reliable power from the grid, so overall Diesel generator is more expensive, not sure it qualifies as way more. Definitely not too expensive.
to report every product and network system change to law enforcement for approval the problem with the statement is the "for approval" (although that's from the slashdot summary, probably not accurate.) But if they have to get approval, then when a technician needs to do a field replacement, say a part with a new mac address, sounds like he should call up his boss, who will call his boss, who will call his government contact, who will call someone else, when approval comes back a change eventually occurs. And if it disrupts some "investigation" the cops will then blame the technician, and ask for proof of who approved this change. So needing a log is inevitable.
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PE is really dependent on growth potential, WSJ has some stats comparing 2008 to 2009 for facebook, http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/535780/FACEBOOK-DETAILS-LEAKED%3A-Company-Is-Much-More-Profitable-Than-Everyone-Thought
that shows a 3* increase in sales and 2* increase in revenue from one year ago. If that could be maintained, it would grow into that PE within 3 years. With the last 2 years being relative down years in general a PE of 100 wouldn't concern me. However a Price/Sales ratio of 25* (to justify $50 B.) Personally if compared to other tech stocks, even with big growth optimism, I would think more around 25 Billion could be justified now. For $50Billion justification I would need confidence they could grow 4* current within 5 years, but that is definitely not outlandish )(they doubled last year, if they double next year, and the year after that would be 4*.
why should businesses have to compete with a business that faces a different set of tax rules to them?
Because they are using the Australian government resources. The retail space is relying on the local police, fire, sewer, and street lights/local beautification that is needed to draw customers into the store, keep them safe. They must pay for them in the manner the area decides. The remote shipper is paying the required taxes for it locality, and the payments to the shippers should be taking care of their remote Australian government uses (roads, etc.) The local merchants have a vote, and more say on what is important to them in that locality, while the remote merchants don't.
> As for intercepting and deciphering meter data (a truly non-trivial task), it would be far easier for thieves to simply watch the houses in a given neighborhood
Your assuming some security that's not likely there, the point of the article, it need to be done right for that to remain true. Power lines are un-shielded so intercepting it is as simple as a small antenna. These systems also currently work by having a reader download what is stored in all meters for a building/neighborhood on demand (trust me the data will not be deleted on read, too easy to lose your usage.) So once the system is cracked, a attacker could walk up to a apartment building, or entire block with a Laptop, download the history for a month for all apartments in the building in less than a second, and have a analysis program that tells him immediately which apartments are empty and for how long, and of them which have the most smart devices...
My understanding is yes to all. But likely not completely. I have family retired from GE loco, years ago they sold around 50 locomotives to China. First 5 were complete shipped from USA, next 20 were increasingly built in china. Last 25 were left to china. So they bought licenses, made changes, and likely wouldn't hesitate to go beyond the license if desired. GE is probably betting they will be ahead of china by the time the contact is done, and that it is beyond china to maintain the ability, let alone expand and compete. Exactly what patents are ment to be, a head start, but not a permanent monopoly (for the inventors).
Wrong (partially.) Only Refusing all breathalyzer tests triggers this, you can refuse roadside tests see http://www.dui.com/dui-library/related/under-the-influence without punishment.
The confusion here is refusing a road-side breath test vs all tests. In arizona road side tests cannot be used for defense as they are unreliable, only admitted by prosecution as cause. Breathalyzer at the station is accurate, requires probable cause, and refusing; results in what you say. DUI lawyers recommend only taking the latter, as a good result helps. Most states allow you to request skipping all roadside tests without any punishment (other than a trip to the station.)
they decided in this case since the law had not yet been deemed unconstitutional and the officers acted in good faith, the evidence was still admissible
Wow, not sure where you got that the evidence was still admissible, that would be a very, very big precedent if true. Please provide this information. The law has always been that ignorance of the law is not a defense, regardless the side you were on. I could see the lack of president would prevent any civil, or criminal mis-conduct, but the evidence (as in this case) must be thrown out (and according to the article was) the moment it is deemed un-constitutional. What you may be referring to, is that the emails were indeed in-admissiable, but because the contents were initially reached in good faith, all evidence gathered based on the emails thereafter was still admissible. In the future if they get emails without a warrant, that will taint all evidence gathered, or subpoenas, etc gathered/granted based on the content of emails acquired without warrant.
Paypal, and the US government both deny that any pressure was applied. It appears to me to be about stopping the next release (about banking) than the last release. Same with Assange, you think the US wants him out of control of the UK? Even that smells more like a more banking friendly move, than a US government move. More of a chess move to get him under control before, not after.
you might read a few of those (not just the headlines.) Most say either the US denies pressure, or Paypal points to a letter from the state department to Wiki leaks, only one of the top 8 links say anything was sent directly to Pay pal, and although it uses quotation marks, it gives no source for that quote. Even that one later contradicts it's self and says Paypal decided because of "violation of the PayPal acceptable use policy"
Basically they are all learning the truth, and correcting their stories to reflect the realty, that paypal was never sent anything directly. Paypal simply used a memo from the state department that was not sent to Paypal, but was simply published by the state department (according to the links you sent.)
we should immediately send them back to Iran to be executed.
I think he was more saying anyone who knowingly posses that information, shared it or analyzed it should also be sent back to be prosecuted as well. So yeah that would seam to imply our intelligence offices should know almost nothing about Iran's Nuclear program, or all deserving of imprisonment/death if they do.
when both Mastercard and Paypal stated quite bluntly that the government made them do it
I missed this, paypal says specifically the US government never asked. Only mentions the open letter stating that wikileaks may violate some vague TOS. What do you expect the Banks to say, "we don't like that WikiLeaks is getting ready to expose our banking fraud, so we are trying to show them who is boss first?" I would bet more on this.
Really? The government can just threaten companies to get them to stop providing services to people whose speech the government doesn't like? And that's not a free speech issue?
seams like many similar laws stand, Fed government can't set speed limits, drinking age limits, Id requirements, etc, etc because it is in the states rights. So instead they charge a gasoline tax in the states, and if they don't follow the federal mandates, they just don't get any "transportation" money back. I assume the same is true for these organizations, they are now receiving some special treatment for taking away free speech rights of others, they won't sue the government cause they like the treatment they get better. We can't sue CC/Paypal because they are not legally required to provide this service for all. Sounds like it is up to us if we want to punish these companies, because regardless of the legality, it isn't going to be challenged legally.
shipping guy I used to work with refused to mark anything "fragile" he figured it was considered a challenge to some shipping guys. It is the package most likely to give a good breaking sound if he throws it hard enough.
is 20 years with a racist "church"
Sounds like most church's, Although W. Bush only found religion in 1985, he chose southern Methodist, it has to be one of the more racist churchs, excluding "black churchs", from gatherings with the white churchs until 1968, and the first black bishop in 1980. Pretty typical of all southern "white" churches, Although the Methodist church admitted their racist past, and repented for their actions, even money if W's church agrees.
I think you under estimate how wrong they think down loaders are. They expect the same outrage as when the video tape of the guy claiming to be a pimp running a child prostitution ring asked acorn how to best continue running his business, and they proceed to help him incorporate, etc. They honestly think he is helping to protect the equivalent of a child sex jon.
their are other advantages to not having a pilot light on 24/7. We have a propane fireplace with a pilot, the GF was doing crafts inside with some spray on glue this week, that warned to turn off pilot lights. Luckily the smell had her open the windows, and turn down the thermostat, but the pilot was still at the ready had the concentration reached the "right" mix. At least with the igniter the heat would have had to actually turn on with the concentration already correct. It does also have a "oxygen sensor" that would shut down the fire, not sure what it triggers on, or if it kills the pilot also.
I know that "simple" electrical system on my fridge failed, and turned on the auto-defrost continuously, melting everything in the freezer, spoiling milk etc $5 sensor, $60 damage. A look online shows it as a common failure of this thermostat. If the fridge would have been loaded with $600+ worth of food, like it is today, and I was away for the weekend I would have really appreciated a system that could send a text message alert (so would those expecting to show up on T-Day for a meal, to find I had gone to KFC instead. Of course the smart fridge would have noticed it was still defrosting before a hour had elapsed, and 4 of the 5 sensors were in agreement, and thrown a fault on the 5th bad sensor, and continued running with just a approximation of what temperature my beer was.
Sure it is 5* more likely to have some failure with a proper smart system. It is also 5* less likely for the fridge to become a oven.
body scanners can cost up to and exceeding $100,000
Maybe Janet got a offer to join the last Homeland Security secretary's comany the Chertoff Group. The Company that produces the body scanners, with a no-bid contract from the government. Maybe Janet needs to keep the scam growing to profit once she is out of government.
But making gun ownership mandatory reduces crime "When the law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime ... and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then," said police Lt. Craig Graydon. "We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area.
Realistically, neither case is a proof of what would happen anywhere else. I don't think either method (banned or required) will work everywhere. For example Mexico has the toughest gun laws in the world, yet gun violence is a huge problem, hasn't prevented gun violence for them. While Switzerland has the highest gun ownership rate in the World, yet is also one of the safest places to be in the world. Basically the Statistics seam to support that gun laws have little affect on violence and crime either way. A little effect on gun specific violence (but does not "prevent" anything.)
It isn't just about cheaper, it is also about speed and consistency. IE If a shipping company needs to moves 400 million Tons, they can either have 50 ships going 20 mph or 100 ships going 10 mph. Which wastes more resources, building 50 more ships, or powering 50 ships... Also the Ports are scheduled to 100% capacity 6 months ahead, mis-port by a day because of low wind, you might be waiting a long time for another chance.
Also Apple doesn't want to load 6 months of supply of their Ipods into a container in china that will take 6 months to get to the US, then find out they were wrong, and either have a glut for months, or be stuck with inventory when they produce the next model.
> The guy stole "already stolen" credit cards
still sounds valuable, IE if a scammer buys a list of stolen cards, you wouldn't know how many people that was already sold to. IF you mask it with a current FBI... list, and get matches: what you have is likely worthless, or not worth making cards from. If however it comes back clean, you at least know the Feds are not yet "onto your list." And likely have some time to use them.
I would think (for this reason) the service would be to check your numbers, not to provide the entire list.
hardware quality and features the iphone has - not plasticy feeling junk - and gets Android on there, you're cooking with gas.
I don't know, I much prefer the motorola quality, to apple so far. Apple specs are 0 to 35 C operating range, and the forums are littered with posts of, yep 31 F, screen quits working, took considerable time to defrost. Droid forums shows post after post, of well my batterys don't last long at 13 F... Nothing plasticy with my DroidX IMO, but a prefer actual quality over appearance of quality. Similar on the top side, phone in the window in AZ, mostly no problems (Device shutdown is @150F)
Styling wise, sure most competitors still people have some desires to reach Apple styling. Hardware quality wise, Apple products are consistently lowest environmental ratings (and performance) in the industry (definitely lowest specs in their price range.)
NG is currently commercial price is $6 / 1000cubic feet for 1 million BTU's worth. Diesel is 2.39 for 130,500BTU.
so Diesel price is around 2* more expensive at commercial. Retail price (NG to your home) brings that down to Diesel 15% more expensive.
Diesel is way to expensive to run even a decent size business generator on much less a power plant.
Just slightly more expensive. Where I work is 100% diesel generator power, has been for the last 15 years, with several hundred employees running computers, welders, air conditioning, etc. The cost has worked out to about $.26 /kwHr. My last home bill worked out to be $.24 / Kwhr when I divide the final bill by the electric used. Because my company also builds generators it does give a opportunity to test their generators. The previous job I had in the same area had much less reliable power from the grid, so overall Diesel generator is more expensive, not sure it qualifies as way more. Definitely not too expensive.
to report every product and network system change to law enforcement for approval the problem with the statement is the "for approval"
(although that's from the slashdot summary, probably not accurate.) But if they have to get approval, then when a technician needs to do a field replacement, say a part with a new mac address, sounds like he should call up his boss, who will call his boss, who will call his government contact, who will call someone else, when approval comes back a change eventually occurs. And if it disrupts some "investigation" the cops will then blame the technician, and ask for proof of who approved this change. So needing a log is inevitable.