Re:EULA violation (Score:1) by TotallyUseless (tot@m[ ]com ['ac.' in gap]) on Monday September 16, @03:13PM (#4267833) (User #157895 Info | http://www.shiner.com/)
There are no Mac boot roms, at least not on the hardware. None. At all.
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I'll paste the info from the TIL article.
What is iMac Firmware Update?
iMac Firmware Update is based on customer feedback, and increases the reliability of iMac booting. It is being provided to every iMac customer as preventive maintenance. The iMac Firmware update upgrades the Open Firmware boot ROM code using a simple application downloadable from Apple's web site.
2. Dual-image boot ROM The iMac Firmware update installs a second boot ROM image within the flashable ROM. Should there ever be a future firmware update, the second image serves as a backup should the firmware update fail. Although a firmware update failure is highly unlikely, providing the second image would allow the iMac to start up.
Flashable ROM - Does that sound like hardware to you? Hmmm I think it does.
There's a little button on all macs that when you press it allows you to access the open firmware boot ROM - it's pretty cool - you should try it sometime.
Anywho the open firmware boot ROM must be present for Mac OS to boot - you aren't allowed to copy them & sell them.
That's why there aren't any clones - otherwise you could install Mac OS on ANY motorola based hardware & it would run. But you can't.
Why? Boot ROM!
Anyway her'e the apple TIL article before I forget
True - However since the article suggests you use an apple motherboard w/ a Mac OS boot rom the EULA is not violated.
The boot rom was originally manufactured by Apple and is required to run the Macintosh operating system - Classic or X.
If you were to manufacture your OWN motorola based motherboards & copied Mac boot roms - then you would get into legal entanglements much more serious than an EULA
Apple pays for an MPEG 2 liscence for iDVD. iDVD is on the restore disk. If apple allowed this hack to be distributed they would have to pay a liscencing fee for every restore disk w/ iDVD rather than just the Macs that come with a superdrive.
I think this is the first legitmate use of the DMCA in history. Apple should be applauded for the proper use of such laws - not berated for suspected misuse.
Why clone the wooly mammoth? Because we can. Why clone a sheep (Dolly)? Because we can. Why split an atom? Because we can. Why go to the moon? Because we can.
Why have more than 640K of RAM? Because we can.
Anytime something is acheivable through our technology we strive to obtain it. It just something that we - as humans - do.
Re:Why not a partnership?
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Ok cool.
Nintendo:
Ports all of thier older titles to thier portable system. Cool - very cool. I should get a GBA. Thanks!
Does anyone know about SEGA? Neo-Geo? Atari? & the arcade games that weren't available. (The star wars arcade game is my favourite - I play that all the time!)
Why not a partnership?
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Ok can someone tell me why Nintendo doesn't partner with Gamespot / Fileplanet & let an infinite of roms & mame playing go on with a membership. (With Nintendo collecting a small royalty fee).
Are there any of the older video game companies offerin thier old games for purchase? (in any format) Or is it pretty much lawers protecting IP that the company no longer uses. If that's the case it seems like a big waste of $ to me.
Move to a country with a better economy if you want a cheaper iMac - or at least spend a smaller percentage of your yearly income.
Or you could help improve the economy of Brazil. How - just like we Americans did. We ignored patents on technology in other countries & stole the ideas of inventions of the world for over 200 years. It's only w/ in the last 50 that we've produced anything of any value (IP wise).
So you want a cheap iMac. Start a computer manufacturing company & reverse engineer the iMac (yes so it works w/ mac OS X including the boot ROM). Then lobby your government to put a $3000 BRL tarrif on all imported computers. After that's done start selling your computer (complete w/ a full version of Mac OS X) to not only Brazillions but Argentinians, Chileans, Mexicans, Germans, & Americans.
What's Apple going to do? Sue? Not if your government ignores the lawyers Apple sends (Much like it is w/ the AIDS pharmeceuticals - I think that's Brazil anyway). So just remember to have a strong lobbyist group that has in thier pockets the most important government officials.
Brazil should do this with all thier industries. Become self reliant! Fuck foreign investment! Steal & rape & pillage the IP of everyone for Brazils own advantage. Then you will have a little slice of America to call your own! [except w/ better beaches & prettier women;)]
You call these benchmarks? Who cares about file sharing & serving? And batch print jobs? Why can't these guys get on the planet & use the industry standard?!
TCO: Of windows vs UNIX (Sun Solaris, IBM etc) TCO: Of windows vs Linux TCO: Of windows VS Mac OS X
Using windows as a bench mark in a corporate environment against all of the other alternatives would be great.
I'm sure you would even save money going w/ one monster big iron server vs many windows servers.
To address the/. idiots who didn't read or understand the article.
Gartner did some research at a university that purchases multiple computers that are pre-assembled. The IT department doesn't have time to assemble all of the computers in an organization. The PCs in the report are prebuilt Dells, Compaqs, Gateways or ect.
The $avings were only $400 per year of roughly 5,000 machines per each type. These are probably labor savings & not much else. Software is standardized across all platforms (Office, Photoshop, IE etc). And decent hardware is also cross platform (Network printers, the ocassional didital camera / scanner for art students).
The report also states that there were fewer hardware costs (repairs). And fewer technical support costs(Memroy leaks - buggy M$ software). As well as fewer training costs (Crufty M$ gui).
Does this mean that thier aren't exceptions? No.
Can you build a $400 PC and install slackware and only run OSS software on it? Yes.
Is a university or buisness going to do that? No.
The report merely states that in a networked multi user environment (not in your bedroom) Macs have a lower TCO than Windows PC's. It's amazing that this is: A. Surprizing B. A debated issue
[Quote] Gary Story is the president of the Six Flags amusement park chain."G-forces on roller coasters last for nano-seconds," says Story.
But Story says the industry won't oppose G-force standards. o one cares any more than we do about the safety of our guests in the park and we are all about safety, we are all about science and studying these issues," says Story [/Quote]
I am amazed that a CEO of a conglomerate didn't whip out his lawyers.
Of coures this could merely be a PR boost... "Six Flags the first amusment park to comply to Government standards." or "Check out the new UberCoaster... expirience the legal limit in G's"
Re:Sci-Fi dreams from the Pulp-era. Time to wake u
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You forget the most important thing:
Greed.
If a pharmaceutical company comes up w/ a weight loss pill, a muscle building pill, or an immortality pill.
Even if you are on a prescription for the rest of your life to maintain "perfect" (pysical inconvience free) lifestyle. It will become commercially viable.
Why?
Money.
Money is more important than familiy, government, and god.
And much more powerful.
Laser eye surgery used to only be available to the super rich.
I got my eyes fixed for $500 each.
That's 4 pairs of glasses including the eye exam.
I would have spent that in four years.
My new eyes will last 10, probably 15, maybe 20. Before they START to go bad again.
I now have 20:10 vision.
Technology has brought a service / product i desired & reduced cost to make it more affordable.
In 20 years you probably won't get glasses - the surgery will be done during the doctors eye exam.
They might even come up w/ lense replacements that change in sunlight - I know they are working on contacts that do this.
Science has given me sight.
It has given 100's of 50 year olds a 20 year old boner.
Those companies - or projects w/ a GPL'd liscence will have to reverse engineer windows networking in order for it to interconnect. Without the benefit of documentation from M$.
Which make it more difficult but not impossible.
There is also the possibility that someone will sign the M$ agreement - & submit an anonomys code snippet - or update for RFC - the damage is done. IANAL - however now even if the RFC is rejected for legal reasons programmers can reference that RFC and the original code.
After a few revisions & re-writes it will be nearly impossible to tell whether or not a violation of the agreement occurred.
Knowing the practices of M$ they will develope a dick simple & kludgy way to block access - a smart programmer will crack it w/ out looking at proprietary M$ documentation & they will sue him - or the project anyway.
I am seeing alot of "But I don't have anything that uses bluetooth" posts.
The same comments were posted when apple introduced USB & ESPECIALLY Firewire.
The answer is: you will.
I don't know if apple will eventually integrate bluetooth into its products - it might. Apple has a history of adopting new standards & making them sucessful (USB/Fire Wire/ 802.11b). I don't know if they will adopt USB 2.0 before they release IEE 1394b - hopefully support for those standards will be along soon.
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Toshiba Cons: Better Graphics card causes low battery life smaller Hard drive (8 Gig) No wireless ethernet Only 10/100 Base T ethernet No option to upgrade to Windows XP Professional
My whole entire point is Macs are not more expensive - that may have been true in the past. But Apple offers a COMPAREABLE product.
There is a tradeoff with more powerful intel systems. Battery life - the faster your processor is & the more powerful your graphics card is - the shorter your battery lasts.
The toshiba - the most powerful of the bunch has a battery life of 3.2 hours! Apple's TiBook is 5 hours.
"the various Macs since the iMac have been cool looking, easy to use, no hastle computers"
No hastle computing? - it's not no hastle computing, no hastle computing doesn't exsist. Why?
You still will end up with driver / software conflicts. TCP/IP is the same & difficult to configure (for Joe sixpack). Configuring a samba share - while a bit easier (gui) still takes some knowledge.
Ram will fry, Your modem will die. A 1337 HaxX0r will install a root kit & you'll be 0wNed.
Sure OS X / Apple offers a good alternative to M$ windows / *nix solutions. And it plays nice with others in the POSIX environment - it is a very good marriage of closed architecture (hardware) versus open (Darwin). But it IS NOT hassle free.
Mac Pros: Gigabit Ethernet 1GB SDRAM memory Airport Card Included PRICE
Mac Cons: ATI Mobility Radeon w/ 16MB DDR video memory No 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Wait - Macs are too expensive? Did I miss something? A price difference of $300 dollars & gigabit ethernet & wireless ethernet & 512MB more RAM. Mac are more expensive?
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Re:EULA violation (Score:1)
by TotallyUseless (tot@m[ ]com ['ac.' in gap]) on Monday September 16, @03:13PM (#4267833)
(User #157895 Info | http://www.shiner.com/)
There are no Mac boot roms, at least not on the hardware. None. At all.
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I'll paste the info from the TIL article.
What is iMac Firmware Update?
iMac Firmware Update is based on customer feedback, and increases the reliability of iMac booting. It is being provided to every iMac customer as preventive maintenance. The iMac Firmware update upgrades the Open Firmware boot ROM code using a simple application downloadable from Apple's web site.
2. Dual-image boot ROM
The iMac Firmware update installs a second boot ROM image within the flashable ROM. Should there ever be a future firmware update, the second image serves as a backup should the firmware update fail. Although a firmware update failure is highly unlikely, providing the second image would allow the iMac to start up.
Flashable ROM - Does that sound like hardware to you? Hmmm I think it does.
There's a little button on all macs that when you press it allows you to access the open firmware boot ROM - it's pretty cool - you should try it sometime.
Anywho the open firmware boot ROM must be present for Mac OS to boot - you aren't allowed to copy them & sell them.
That's why there aren't any clones - otherwise you could install Mac OS on ANY motorola based hardware & it would run. But you can't.
Why? Boot ROM!
Anyway her'e the apple TIL article before I forget
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=
AND here's a link to some non apple PowerPC based hardware that won't run Mac OS because there ISN'T a boot ROM.
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/briQ
True - However since the article suggests you use an apple motherboard w/ a Mac OS boot rom the EULA is not violated.
The boot rom was originally manufactured by Apple and is required to run the Macintosh operating system - Classic or X.
If you were to manufacture your OWN motorola based motherboards & copied Mac boot roms - then you would get into legal entanglements much more serious than an EULA
Then again IAMNAL
No it doesn't, it leads to fucking carpentry. ... Denis Leary
Apple pays for an MPEG 2 liscence for iDVD. iDVD is on the restore disk. If apple allowed this hack to be distributed they would have to pay a liscencing fee for every restore disk w/ iDVD rather than just the Macs that come with a superdrive.
I think this is the first legitmate use of the DMCA in history. Apple should be applauded for the proper use of such laws - not berated for suspected misuse.
Why clone the wooly mammoth? Because we can. Why clone a sheep (Dolly)? Because we can. Why split an atom? Because we can. Why go to the moon? Because we can.
Why have more than 640K of RAM? Because we can.
Anytime something is acheivable through our technology we strive to obtain it. It just something that we - as humans - do.
Ok cool.
Nintendo:
Ports all of thier older titles to thier portable system. Cool - very cool. I should get a GBA. Thanks!
Does anyone know about SEGA? Neo-Geo? Atari? & the arcade games that weren't available. (The star wars arcade game is my favourite - I play that all the time!)
Ok can someone tell me why Nintendo doesn't partner with Gamespot / Fileplanet & let an infinite of roms & mame playing go on with a membership. (With Nintendo collecting a small royalty fee).
Are there any of the older video game companies offerin thier old games for purchase? (in any format) Or is it pretty much lawers protecting IP that the company no longer uses. If that's the case it seems like a big waste of $ to me.
Ok wait? there was an alternative meeting place in Rochester?
/pub/lunch
A strip club?
Hey I have a proposal for next month - kinda a mixture of the two. Ok well it a bar the youngins won't get kicked out of.
The Olde Toad!
Check your blog for my e-mail addy.
1,400.00 USD = 3,980.90 BRL
;)]
1 USD = 2.84350 BRL 1 BRL = 0.351680 USD
Move to a country with a better economy if you want a cheaper iMac - or at least spend a smaller percentage of your yearly income.
Or you could help improve the economy of Brazil. How - just like we Americans did. We ignored patents on technology in other countries & stole the ideas of inventions of the world for over 200 years. It's only w/ in the last 50 that we've produced anything of any value (IP wise).
So you want a cheap iMac. Start a computer manufacturing company & reverse engineer the iMac (yes so it works w/ mac OS X including the boot ROM). Then lobby your government to put a $3000 BRL tarrif on all imported computers. After that's done start selling your computer (complete w/ a full version of Mac OS X) to not only Brazillions but Argentinians, Chileans, Mexicans, Germans, & Americans.
What's Apple going to do? Sue? Not if your government ignores the lawyers Apple sends (Much like it is w/ the AIDS pharmeceuticals - I think that's Brazil anyway). So just remember to have a strong lobbyist group that has in thier pockets the most important government officials.
Brazil should do this with all thier industries. Become self reliant! Fuck foreign investment! Steal & rape & pillage the IP of everyone for Brazils own advantage. Then you will have a little slice of America to call your own! [except w/ better beaches & prettier women
Yeah I was joking.
You call these benchmarks? Who cares about file sharing & serving? And batch print jobs? Why can't these guys get on the planet & use the industry standard?!
Quake 3 frame rates!
I've heard about this Sun... This Day Star... is it really as bright as people say it is?
(yeah I know -1 off topic)
I used to do that too. Certified and everything.
Got paid $9 per hour to do it too.
What's obvious becuase I am over looking it.
TCO: Of windows vs UNIX (Sun Solaris, IBM etc)
/. idiots who didn't read or understand the article.
TCO: Of windows vs Linux
TCO: Of windows VS Mac OS X
Using windows as a bench mark in a corporate environment against all of the other alternatives would be great.
I'm sure you would even save money going w/ one monster big iron server vs many windows servers.
To address the
Gartner did some research at a university that purchases multiple computers that are pre-assembled. The IT department doesn't have time to assemble all of the computers in an organization. The PCs in the report are prebuilt Dells, Compaqs, Gateways or ect.
The $avings were only $400 per year of roughly 5,000 machines per each type. These are probably labor savings & not much else. Software is standardized across all platforms (Office, Photoshop, IE etc). And decent hardware is also cross platform (Network printers, the ocassional didital camera / scanner for art students).
The report also states that there were fewer hardware costs (repairs). And fewer technical support costs(Memroy leaks - buggy M$ software). As well as fewer training costs (Crufty M$ gui).
Does this mean that thier aren't exceptions? No.
Can you build a $400 PC and install slackware and only run OSS software on it? Yes.
Is a university or buisness going to do that? No.
The report merely states that in a networked multi user environment (not in your bedroom) Macs have a lower TCO than Windows PC's. It's amazing that this is:
A. Surprizing
B. A debated issue
[Quote] Gary Story is the president of the Six Flags amusement park chain."G-forces on roller coasters last for nano-seconds," says Story.
But Story says the industry won't oppose G-force standards. o one cares any more than we do about the safety of our guests in the park and we are all about safety, we are all about science and studying these issues," says Story [/Quote]
I am amazed that a CEO of a conglomerate didn't whip out his lawyers.
Of coures this could merely be a PR boost... "Six Flags the first amusment park to comply to Government standards." or "Check out the new UberCoaster... expirience the legal limit in G's"
You forget the most important thing:
Greed.
If a pharmaceutical company comes up w/ a weight loss pill, a muscle building pill, or an immortality pill.
Even if you are on a prescription for the rest of your life to maintain "perfect" (pysical inconvience free) lifestyle. It will become commercially viable.
Why?
Money.
Money is more important than familiy, government, and god.
And much more powerful.
Laser eye surgery used to only be available to the super rich.
I got my eyes fixed for $500 each.
That's 4 pairs of glasses including the eye exam.
I would have spent that in four years.
My new eyes will last 10, probably 15, maybe 20. Before they START to go bad again.
I now have 20:10 vision.
Technology has brought a service / product i desired & reduced cost to make it more affordable.
In 20 years you probably won't get glasses - the surgery will be done during the doctors eye exam.
They might even come up w/ lense replacements that change in sunlight - I know they are working on contacts that do this.
Science has given me sight.
It has given 100's of 50 year olds a 20 year old boner.
The motive - money.
It's a fairly simple solution:
Those companies - or projects w/ a GPL'd liscence will have to reverse engineer windows networking in order for it to interconnect. Without the benefit of documentation from M$.
Which make it more difficult but not impossible.
There is also the possibility that someone will sign the M$ agreement - & submit an anonomys code snippet - or update for RFC - the damage is done. IANAL - however now even if the RFC is rejected for legal reasons programmers can reference that RFC and the original code.
After a few revisions & re-writes it will be nearly impossible to tell whether or not a violation of the agreement occurred.
Knowing the practices of M$ they will develope a dick simple & kludgy way to block access - a smart programmer will crack it w/ out looking at proprietary M$ documentation & they will sue him - or the project anyway.
Here's linkage for those w/ out $500+ to spend on image editing software.
Adobe CEO on PDF, Mac OS X, 'Premiere Elements,' more
Yeah I know gimp is free, blah blah OSS or die, blah blah.
Seriously folks I like Photoshop, & Elements is functional enough for my needs (No pre-press support) - definaltey worth the $100 (IMHO)
It's nice to see a company adopt new standards.
I am seeing alot of "But I don't have anything that uses bluetooth" posts.
The same comments were posted when apple introduced USB & ESPECIALLY Firewire.
The answer is: you will.
I don't know if apple will eventually integrate bluetooth into its products - it might. Apple has a history of adopting new standards & making them sucessful (USB/Fire Wire/ 802.11b). I don't know if they will adopt USB 2.0 before they release IEE 1394b - hopefully support for those standards will be along soon.
Ohhh *clicky* Linkies!
Downloading! yay!
Clicky Linky!
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Presario Pros:
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Presario Cons:
Processor - only a PIII not a P4
No wireless Ethernet
Only 10/100 Base T ethernet
Satellite 5105-S607
Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor - M 1700MHz
1024 MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM
UXGA Active Matrix (1600 x 1200) 15"
NVIDIA GeForce4 440Go graphics controller w/32MB DDR external VRAM video memory
40 Gigabyte1
DVD/CD-RW multifunction drive
Integrated V.90/56K modem
Integrated 10/100 Ethernet
Windows® XP Home Edition
i.Link (IEEE 1394) port
$3,131
http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pd/s
Toshiba Pros:
Faster Processor
Better Graphics card
Price - $500 cheaper!
Toshiba Cons:
Better Graphics card causes low battery life
smaller Hard drive (8 Gig)
No wireless ethernet
Only 10/100 Base T ethernet
No option to upgrade to Windows XP Professional
My whole entire point is Macs are not more expensive - that may have been true in the past. But Apple offers a COMPAREABLE product.
There is a tradeoff with more powerful intel systems. Battery life - the faster your processor is & the more powerful your graphics card is - the shorter your battery lasts.
The toshiba - the most powerful of the bunch has a battery life of 3.2 hours! Apple's TiBook is 5 hours.
"the various Macs since the iMac have been cool looking, easy to use, no hastle computers"
No hastle computing? - it's not no hastle computing, no hastle computing doesn't exsist. Why?
You still will end up with driver / software conflicts. TCP/IP is the same & difficult to configure (for Joe sixpack). Configuring a samba share - while a bit easier (gui) still takes some knowledge.
Ram will fry,
Your modem will die.
A 1337 HaxX0r will install a root kit & you'll be 0wNed.
Sure OS X / Apple offers a good alternative to M$ windows / *nix solutions. And it plays nice with others in the POSIX environment - it is a very good marriage of closed architecture (hardware) versus open (Darwin). But it IS NOT hassle free.
Dell Precision Mobile Workstation M40
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512MB, SDRAM Memory (2DIMMS),
48GB IDE Hard Drive,
3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive,
Internal Mini-PCI NIC/Modem,
Internal 8-8-8-24X SWDVD/CDRW Combo Drive,
Integrated IEEE 1394 "Firewire" port.
nVidia, Quadro 2 Go, 32MB, VGA
Mobile Pentium®III Processor,1.20GHz-M with 15.0in UXGA Display
$3,968.00
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.a
Apple G4 PowerBook
667MHz PowerPC G4 @ 133MHz
256K L2 cache @ 667MHz
1GB SDRAM memory
48GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon w/
16MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem
1 FireWire & 2 USB Ports
Airport Card Included
$3,699.00
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObject
Dell Pros:
nVidia, Quadro 2 Go, 32MB, VGA
3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive,
Dell Cons:
No option to upgrade memory
Price
Mac Pros:
Gigabit Ethernet
1GB SDRAM memory
Airport Card Included
PRICE
Mac Cons:
ATI Mobility Radeon w/
16MB DDR video memory
No 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Wait - Macs are too expensive? Did I miss something? A price difference of $300 dollars & gigabit ethernet & wireless ethernet & 512MB more RAM. Mac are more expensive?