So tell me then, how many aircraft designs have met or exceeded their expectations when deployed? It seems to me that the history is that most develop significant problems that are discovered only after actual use.
If you know a lot about design, then you should understand the essential role diversity plays in all things, including warfare. Having all our tactical aircraft share so many common characteristics means that when flaws are discovered, they will apply to all our tactical aircraft. Not a good thing.
The compromises that this design imposes provide an adversary with the opportunity to employ a more diversified approach yielding best-of-breed aircraft for specific missions.
No, I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. STOVL/VTOL/whatever is a major departure from fighter aircraft design, and merely accommodating the possibility of this functionality is enough of a compromise to cause worry.
Besides, as you have just said yourself, only 300 or so will be bought by the Marines. So why compromise the thousands that will be built by USAF/USN?
I don't know the first thing about building airplanes. But I understand design principles. The process by which the design for this plane was pursued is ass-backwards.
If Congress wants to save money, they can start by finding all those trillions the Pentagon has somehow "misplaced." Leave engineering to the engineers.
The lift fan works well in a brand new unit that has seen at best a few hours of flight time. Just think about this thing being deployed overseas, going through hundreds of missions, in the baking heat, in the bitter cold, exposed to sea air with its humidity and high salt content.
Then think about that gear shaft assembly they've crafted to make this thing work. What was it again, something like 50,000RPM? Translating torgue generated from the engines along the Z-axis into lift along the Y-axis? The plane has so many obvious points of failure it astonishes me that mine is the first voice you've heard be critical. And what worries me is that once failure has occurred, at these speeds it will almost always be fatal.
There are ways they could have addressed the flaws in the Boeing. Why not equip the planes with a pod or something that could be dropped that would give the pilot an accurate read on wind direction? Once he knows which way the wind is blowing, he can orient the craft so as to minimize dirty air intake. Another idea would be to extend the air intake forward to further minimize the intake threat.
A lot of my criticsm is also due to my inability to appreciate the role for this kind of craft. Where does it fit? Why do the Marines need a fighter aircraft? Are they not on speaking terms with the Navy/Air Force? I can appreciate that VTOL capability means you don't have to build big-ass aircraft carriers to launch planes from, but hey! We *have* big-ass aircraft carriers? Why spend money to engineer our assets into obsolescence?
Yes, I do, but the different derivations notwithstanding I still believe it is wrong to compromise the design of something like this for reasons that have nothing to do with engineering or flight dynamics.
Besides, what role do the Marines have for a fighter aircraft? If they want VTOL, they've got their helicopters. Why the desire to deploy from smaller boats when we've got the concession on big boats?
Sure, it may make some sense to get the Navy and the Air Force to jointly develop a plane, although some compromises would have to be made and problems are sure to develop.
But to add as a requirement VTOL for the Marines? Oh my God! This is just so stupid! And the way that they're doing it only makes matters worse! Lockheed-Martin won the contract with what can only be described as a truly regretable approach to vertical takeoff that involves generating enormous amounts of mechanical stress. The Boeing design was much simpler, although apparently more prone to exhaust finding its way into the engine (which is bad, but is a flaw shared to some degree by LM's version as well.)
That said, air superiority in the future isn't something I'm terribly concerned about. Look at what we do with the air superiority we have now... bomb this shit out of people who can't defend themselves.
You can't deal with the substance, so you resort to capricious criticism of the presentation.
Maybe it's time to find another typo.
BTW, you could add up all the atrocities committed by the nations you've listed, and you wouldn't come close to achieving what America has, and if you're too stupid to see that, it isn't my problem. At least not anymore.
As for begging me to bring it, retard, you really should think that one over. Each day spent under this regime gives me (and many others) that much less to lose.
Kill millions, hey, where's the proof. But use the f-word? Oooo, that's just wrong! lol
I'd like to see where you get your numbers. I was with you until you said that the drug war has caused more deaths (300 million) than the total population of the U.S.
I said 300,000,000 was a possible number. There's the open question of how many have died because they were denied the medical care of their choosing. Then there are all those who may have died because research was banned. How many AIDS deaths are to be attributed to our denying addicts clean needles? How many are to come? Then add overdoses, most of which wouldn't have happened if we regulated the manufacture of drugs and required proper dosage information. And then there's my answer to your next comment...
Also, it's hard to cry fascism when the simplest solution is to simply confine your drug use to those that are legal (alcohol and nicotine appear to be quite popular these days).
You miss the point though. Our drug policy promotes the use of the most deadly and addictive recreational drugs, alcohol and tobacco, while using violence to punish those who would use the safest of recreational drugs, even if such use is only for medicinal purposes.
And we've been pursuing this policy for decades now, all while knowing that the drugs we promote are the most addictive and the most deadly and that the consequence of this policy is many, many people dying.
And not only do we pursue the policy for ourselves, we use our military and economic might to force other countries to adopt the very same policy.
It's very easy to cry fascism here. And the death toll is simply nothing less than shocking.
Finally, your obvious anger and use of terms like "fucking retards" to describe middle America marks you as one who is still idealistic / young.
You're a condenscending piece of shit, but that's OK, you're exactly where you should be, and your future is exactly what you deserve. To take offense at a term like fucking retard amidst all of the atrocities we commit is repugnant and repulsive and I can only observe that the silver lining to all of this is that, in the end, rat fucks like you take it hard in the teeth.
Suggesting that someone who watches Fox News either (a) doesn't watch anything else or (b) is unable or unworthy of understanding "what's really going on" smacks of elitism and a certain kind of liberal closed-mindedness that preaches against that which it so ably demonstrates.
A recent example is where Fox News trumpets across the airwaves news that al Qaeda and Hussein were really linked after all. Of course, it isn't true, and their source (the U.S. military no less) concedes that the report isn't valid, but does Fox News retract the story? No sir.
So now the nation is full of fucking retards who will swear up and down that Hussein was involved with 9/11, when in fact, it just isn't so.
while the war on drugs is pathetic and well past its usefulness (if there ever was any), there are wildly varying drug laws in different states...
That are overruled on demand by Washington.
considering the vast numbers of middle class white kids who're smoking joints after school, one can hardly claim the federal government is oppressive...
Over 1.5 million arrested every year, ~500,000 incarcered as we speak, millions more living today with the memory of being incarcerated, property confiscations in the tens of millions, and deaths ranging anywhere from a conservative 20,000,000 to as high as 300,000,000 (or more.)
As for fundamentalism, while there are certainly those who would like to turn the U.S. into the some sort of theocracy, it's certainly not that now and won't be in the near future.
Excuse me, but the war on drugs is based in large part on religious fundamentalism, but more to the point, so is our ongoing war on terrorism (Islam).
We're no closer to killing a billion+ Muslims as we ever were.
We are engaged in a war against Muslims, that causes an ever increasing number of Muslims to fight back, which causes our increasing the amount of force used, which causes their increasing the amount of force used, and so on. The only conceivable consequence of this conflict is that one side or the other is made to perish.
It's hard to believe that this wasn't understood when we went into this war.
My guess is you're an angry white guy about 20 years old.
Anyone who bothers to look at the long, hard road that's been put before us because of Bush is either angry or blind. And what does my age have to do with anything?
Well, like I said, if you watch Fox News you wouldn't know either way, would you.
The war on drugs alone qualifies America as a fascist and fundamentalist government whose expression of hatred has resulted in the deaths of millions of people.
The war on Islam now escalates our barbarity to an even greater degree... now we're aiming to kill a billion or more.
And despite it all, we see fucking retards running about saying God bless America!, as if America deserves any kind of favor whatsoever for perpetrating all these horrors, to say nothing of the conceit that God would condone much less reward our behavior.
This all started when a neighbor raped and killed a little girl, and so we created the label of sex offender as a way of categorizing such people, but it's barely been ten years and already we're rounding up all kinds of people who don't come anywhere close to this kind of offense and branding them monsters.
Take a look at a modern motherboard sometime. It is *not* as you depict it here. There are any number of settings that relate to clock timings and RAM voltages and whether ACPI is enabled or USB is used or whether we're going to do PnP or not and so on and so on.
I've got an Epox 8RDA+ and we've must've seen a dozen upgrades since it was first released, covering a wide range of issues that go well beyond setting up basic input output services. There are easily two dozen or more individual screens of crap that have to be set just right or the show is off and you're left wondering what the Tawianese word for fuck is.
The file used to update the BIOS is 256K. Considering that much if not most of this is x86 assembler, that's a lot of code.
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So tell me then, how many aircraft designs have met or exceeded their expectations when deployed? It seems to me that the history is that most develop significant problems that are discovered only after actual use.
If you know a lot about design, then you should understand the essential role diversity plays in all things, including warfare. Having all our tactical aircraft share so many common characteristics means that when flaws are discovered, they will apply to all our tactical aircraft. Not a good thing.
The compromises that this design imposes provide an adversary with the opportunity to employ a more diversified approach yielding best-of-breed aircraft for specific missions.
In any event, thank you for your reply.
Shshhhhh...don't tell anyone about this problem. Otherwise, millions of turbine helicopters will start falling out of the air. Sheshhhhh.
The stresses aren't even remotely similar. It's like comparing an ox cart with a Ferrari.
I must've beat you up pretty bad to see you stalking me from topic-to-topic.
Hee-hee.
No, I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. STOVL/VTOL/whatever is a major departure from fighter aircraft design, and merely accommodating the possibility of this functionality is enough of a compromise to cause worry.
Besides, as you have just said yourself, only 300 or so will be bought by the Marines. So why compromise the thousands that will be built by USAF/USN?
I don't know the first thing about building airplanes. But I understand design principles. The process by which the design for this plane was pursued is ass-backwards.
If Congress wants to save money, they can start by finding all those trillions the Pentagon has somehow "misplaced." Leave engineering to the engineers.
The lift fan works well in a brand new unit that has seen at best a few hours of flight time. Just think about this thing being deployed overseas, going through hundreds of missions, in the baking heat, in the bitter cold, exposed to sea air with its humidity and high salt content.
Then think about that gear shaft assembly they've crafted to make this thing work. What was it again, something like 50,000RPM? Translating torgue generated from the engines along the Z-axis into lift along the Y-axis? The plane has so many obvious points of failure it astonishes me that mine is the first voice you've heard be critical. And what worries me is that once failure has occurred, at these speeds it will almost always be fatal.
There are ways they could have addressed the flaws in the Boeing. Why not equip the planes with a pod or something that could be dropped that would give the pilot an accurate read on wind direction? Once he knows which way the wind is blowing, he can orient the craft so as to minimize dirty air intake. Another idea would be to extend the air intake forward to further minimize the intake threat.
A lot of my criticsm is also due to my inability to appreciate the role for this kind of craft. Where does it fit? Why do the Marines need a fighter aircraft? Are they not on speaking terms with the Navy/Air Force? I can appreciate that VTOL capability means you don't have to build big-ass aircraft carriers to launch planes from, but hey! We *have* big-ass aircraft carriers? Why spend money to engineer our assets into obsolescence?
Yes, I do, but the different derivations notwithstanding I still believe it is wrong to compromise the design of something like this for reasons that have nothing to do with engineering or flight dynamics.
Besides, what role do the Marines have for a fighter aircraft? If they want VTOL, they've got their helicopters. Why the desire to deploy from smaller boats when we've got the concession on big boats?
The plane is designed by Congress.
The most brain-damaged aircraft I've ever seen.
Sure, it may make some sense to get the Navy and the Air Force to jointly develop a plane, although some compromises would have to be made and problems are sure to develop.
But to add as a requirement VTOL for the Marines? Oh my God! This is just so stupid! And the way that they're doing it only makes matters worse! Lockheed-Martin won the contract with what can only be described as a truly regretable approach to vertical takeoff that involves generating enormous amounts of mechanical stress. The Boeing design was much simpler, although apparently more prone to exhaust finding its way into the engine (which is bad, but is a flaw shared to some degree by LM's version as well.)
That said, air superiority in the future isn't something I'm terribly concerned about. Look at what we do with the air superiority we have now... bomb this shit out of people who can't defend themselves.
Go Congress!
It's time to clone lots of Linda Hamilton's.
Retard, "eat shit and die" isn't a criticism, it's a request.
It's also a hint. I don't want to talk to you.
Why?
Because you're a shit-eating retard! Leave me alone! Go play with all the other retards!
Bye bye!
I'm guessing you're not going to mod my comment up, is that right?
White Moon Dust
He might try snorting it.
Oh wait, maybe that's the idea!
The moon isn't made of cheese, it's A GREAT BIG ROCK OF COCAINE AND GEORGE BUSH WANTS IT ALL FOR HIMSELF!!!
(which would be fine with me if only he'd let me toke a little of the green, leafy, combustible stuff in peace.)
You can't deal with the substance, so you resort to capricious criticism of the presentation.
Maybe it's time to find another typo.
BTW, you could add up all the atrocities committed by the nations you've listed, and you wouldn't come close to achieving what America has, and if you're too stupid to see that, it isn't my problem. At least not anymore.
Eat shit and die.
Calling me immature wasn't calling me names?
What's next? I'm rubber, you're glue?
As for begging me to bring it, retard, you really should think that one over. Each day spent under this regime gives me (and many others) that much less to lose.
Kill millions, hey, where's the proof. But use the f-word? Oooo, that's just wrong! lol
I'd like to see where you get your numbers. I was with you until you said that the drug war has caused more deaths (300 million) than the total population of the U.S.
I said 300,000,000 was a possible number. There's the open question of how many have died because they were denied the medical care of their choosing. Then there are all those who may have died because research was banned. How many AIDS deaths are to be attributed to our denying addicts clean needles? How many are to come? Then add overdoses, most of which wouldn't have happened if we regulated the manufacture of drugs and required proper dosage information. And then there's my answer to your next comment...
Also, it's hard to cry fascism when the simplest solution is to simply confine your drug use to those that are legal (alcohol and nicotine appear to be quite popular these days).
You miss the point though. Our drug policy promotes the use of the most deadly and addictive recreational drugs, alcohol and tobacco, while using violence to punish those who would use the safest of recreational drugs, even if such use is only for medicinal purposes.
And we've been pursuing this policy for decades now, all while knowing that the drugs we promote are the most addictive and the most deadly and that the consequence of this policy is many, many people dying.
And not only do we pursue the policy for ourselves, we use our military and economic might to force other countries to adopt the very same policy.
It's very easy to cry fascism here. And the death toll is simply nothing less than shocking.
Finally, your obvious anger and use of terms like "fucking retards" to describe middle America marks you as one who is still idealistic / young.
You're a condenscending piece of shit, but that's OK, you're exactly where you should be, and your future is exactly what you deserve. To take offense at a term like fucking retard amidst all of the atrocities we commit is repugnant and repulsive and I can only observe that the silver lining to all of this is that, in the end, rat fucks like you take it hard in the teeth.
Shove off, monkey.
Suggesting that someone who watches Fox News either (a) doesn't watch anything else or (b) is unable or unworthy of understanding "what's really going on" smacks of elitism and a certain kind of liberal closed-mindedness that preaches against that which it so ably demonstrates.
A recent example is where Fox News trumpets across the airwaves news that al Qaeda and Hussein were really linked after all. Of course, it isn't true, and their source (the U.S. military no less) concedes that the report isn't valid, but does Fox News retract the story? No sir.
So now the nation is full of fucking retards who will swear up and down that Hussein was involved with 9/11, when in fact, it just isn't so.
while the war on drugs is pathetic and well past its usefulness (if there ever was any), there are wildly varying drug laws in different states...
That are overruled on demand by Washington.
considering the vast numbers of middle class white kids who're smoking joints after school, one can hardly claim the federal government is oppressive...
Over 1.5 million arrested every year, ~500,000 incarcered as we speak, millions more living today with the memory of being incarcerated, property confiscations in the tens of millions, and deaths ranging anywhere from a conservative 20,000,000 to as high as 300,000,000 (or more.)
As for fundamentalism, while there are certainly those who would like to turn the U.S. into the some sort of theocracy, it's certainly not that now and won't be in the near future.
Excuse me, but the war on drugs is based in large part on religious fundamentalism, but more to the point, so is our ongoing war on terrorism (Islam).
We're no closer to killing a billion+ Muslims as we ever were.
We are engaged in a war against Muslims, that causes an ever increasing number of Muslims to fight back, which causes our increasing the amount of force used, which causes their increasing the amount of force used, and so on. The only conceivable consequence of this conflict is that one side or the other is made to perish.
It's hard to believe that this wasn't understood when we went into this war.
My guess is you're an angry white guy about 20 years old.
Anyone who bothers to look at the long, hard road that's been put before us because of Bush is either angry or blind. And what does my age have to do with anything?
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Well, like I said, if you watch Fox News you wouldn't know either way, would you.
The war on drugs alone qualifies America as a fascist and fundamentalist government whose expression of hatred has resulted in the deaths of millions of people.
The war on Islam now escalates our barbarity to an even greater degree... now we're aiming to kill a billion or more.
And despite it all, we see fucking retards running about saying God bless America!, as if America deserves any kind of favor whatsoever for perpetrating all these horrors, to say nothing of the conceit that God would condone much less reward our behavior.
I did NOT specifically talk about Bush. I did NOT say that "the US was already firmly in the grip of fascists and fundamentalists".
Well then, let me say it for you. The US is firmly in the grip of a fascist and fundamentalist government.
Hard to see how that's controversial in the slightest, unless of course, you're one of these fucking retards who get all their news from Fox.
Consider also qualifies you as a sex offender in Maine. For instance, if you're a 16-year-old boy who makes out with a 13-year-old girl and you get caught, you're a sex offender; your name and photo goes up on the site.
This all started when a neighbor raped and killed a little girl, and so we created the label of sex offender as a way of categorizing such people, but it's barely been ten years and already we're rounding up all kinds of people who don't come anywhere close to this kind of offense and branding them monsters.
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ride, not rice
although there is such a thing as wild rice, but it's not clear what the connection to Mr. Toad is.
groan
for killling Mr. Toad's Wild Rice.
Bastard.
Take a look at a modern motherboard sometime. It is *not* as you depict it here. There are any number of settings that relate to clock timings and RAM voltages and whether ACPI is enabled or USB is used or whether we're going to do PnP or not and so on and so on.
I've got an Epox 8RDA+ and we've must've seen a dozen upgrades since it was first released, covering a wide range of issues that go well beyond setting up basic input output services. There are easily two dozen or more individual screens of crap that have to be set just right or the show is off and you're left wondering what the Tawianese word for fuck is.
The file used to update the BIOS is 256K. Considering that much if not most of this is x86 assembler, that's a lot of code.
Bounce Up and Down on Mr. Toad's Lap.
It's a common mistake, but no, the two are not the same.