HERE to get some idea of what the Amiga 800MHz G4 XE, that I have on order, might be like after it arrives and I have installed AmigaOS 4.0 on it.
For the last six years I've been running a 68060 50MHz cpu and the NEW experience is bound to be quite different!
I first used commercial applications on Macs and PCs in 1998 when I learnt the basics of Graphic-Prepress. There were aspects about the G3s (which were introduced during my term) that I liked, and others that I didn't. Generally, I prefered the Display Quality and ease of use of the Macs over the PCs, although to be fair, the PCs in use ran Win3.11 and '95.
Reading posts here, I've gained the impression that current Macs may loose some of their speed advantage (over 1998 period Macs) due to excessive graphics overheads because of that pretty GUI.
Since, by the standards of many of the readers here, AmigaOS 4.0 would be considered quite ugly;... that is something that I can live with because I would prefer speed over eye-candy qualities.
I have no idea what the boot-up time of AmigaOS 4.0 on 800MHz G4 would be but the similar Pegasus was reported to Boot MorphOS in sub-3 second times! That compares favourably with the report of a poster on this thread of 15-20 second boot times for MacOSX.
Again, when I've used PhotoShop (1998, 2000, and 2002) on Macs and on PCs I've been dissapointed that the launch time seems 40%-100% longer than that taken by ImageFX on my 1989 model A2000HD with 68060 50MHz and PicassoII 2Mb graphics card.
So, to sum up, I have high hopes for the expected Amiga 800MHz G4 XE with a lean, near RT AmigaOS 4.0 installation. I can live with a "not so pretty" GUI! .
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Seriously, remember a device called Catweasel3? The story DID appear on SlashDot. Go read it! .
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"does anybody know avout Amiga's ability to run 64bit?"
Hey - give it a chance! It may have been 32Bit before MS, and had a Coloured GUI before Mac BUT.... there's been little hardware advance since CBM went bust eight years ago. And, what there has been has depended on third-party development.
64Bit 'may' have to wait till OS5.0.
Don't forget, this OS (for practiple purposes) is where MacOS was when Macs went from 68K to PPC. Except for things such as USB, AGP, and PCI expansion in the hardware. .
Well, I can see why this news is no use to you because you have gone over to the Dark Side. This News is for people such as me and for those willing to seek a way outside Micro4oft's (cursed be their name) version.
Quote"Dells journey to the dark side is complete. You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Help me amiga-wan, your my only hope.
www.teotwin.com (teotwin)"
In addition, (like in Macs) there is no Palladium. .
Some may be buying a"big beige box" but mine will be Black with a side window. In addition, unlike a Linux-box, mine will have 'Amiga' Keys wereas other keyboards of this type ONLY have 'Windows' Keys!
NB - Those prices are Australian. Multiply by 55% to convert to US. .
If you'd followed stories on OS NEWS you would be aware that there are at least two available (or close to being available):
The AmigaOneSE and the Pegasus. Both are to be shown at the WOASE show in the UK this weekend. Look for the story on http://amiga.org and on http://ann.lu
As well as the OS' being developed for these, BOTH boards run Linux. .
Customer: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint. (The owner does not respond.) C: 'Ello, Miss? Owner: What do you mean "miss"? C: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint! O: We're closin' for lunch. C: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this Bomber what I
purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique. O: Oh yes, the, uh, the Boeing Blue B-52...What's,uh...What's wrong with it? C: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's
wrong with it! O: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting. C: Look, matey, I know a dead Bomber when I see one, and I'm looking
at one right now. O: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable Bomber, the Boeing Blue B-52, idn'it, ay? Beautiful fuselage! C: The fuselage don't enter into it. It's stone dead. O: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting! C: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting into the hangar)
'Ello, Mister bomber B-52! I've got a lovely fresh bomb load for you if
you show...(owner hits the hangar) O: There, he moved! [This message was re-edited by voretxau on January 29, 2002 at 20:02.]
Scala, Lightwave, and Cinema4D were priced reasonably while in their original versions... i.e. Amiga only!
When re-written for Windows (a MUCH larger market) etc, each doubled in price.
Then, compare XCad (Amiga) of 1989 to AutoCad (PC) in the same period! For the price of AutoCad you could purchase XCad2000 PLUS... an A2500 to run it on!
Eric W. Schwartz (famous computer artist and animator) did a humorous animation years back depicting the game of Shuttle Cock as played by using giant bats manipulated by the deployment arm on each playing Space Shuttle. .
Ah, but maybe you'd have to then attach a mouse, and roll it around in your hand, so the Energy-Saving Features (not to mention the Screen-Blanker) don't stop you from CONTINUOUS viewing?
Although, maybe it has merit if just the Adds are Blacked Out!!:-) .
In addition logging companies (with government approval) are harvesting the OLDEST and TALLEST trees in Tasmania. These are Australia's answer to America's Redwoods.
Instead of retaining these 'Giants' for Tourists, and future generations to enjoy...... the Tasmanian government is encouraging loggers to clear them out..........
Meanwhile in Indonesia; rich bar_____s (above the law) are ripping hardwood out of Protected Rainforests, moving it into Malaya (where the law doesn't count because its not ripped illegally out of Malaysian forests) and loading it into ships bound for Europe and Australia where it with become luxury furniture..........
And in Tibet; Chinese loggers are clearing the timber out (as they can do since they've got all the men with guns) and using it in China, or selling it on....
What's our planet's future? To become Dune? .
Its Daylight in the USA.... do YOU know where your dirty industries are?
Go on down to the Rio Grande some time and observe all the US owned really dirty industries located just over the border where Anti-Industrial Pollution Laws are really lax.
Of course, you'll just say "Its not my problem that the Mexicans are so slack"! .
The oldest ones (pre-P4) are urgently wanted in East Timor, where Indonesian Troops, Police, and their patsies TRASHED the East Timorese communities a few years back.
There, it is quite a struggle to restore everything after Indonesia's Scorched-Earth Backhander to a people who just wanted to be free..............
Regarding newer ones (P4s onwards) I'd suggest leaving them out at night in 'certain areas' that are over-flown by weird lights in the sky.
Its well known that there are little-blue-men from the stars who just rave over these, and go into raptures crying out: "Pentium! Pentium!", with goofy looks on their faces.
WHY?
I just can't say. Perhaps computers (even primitive ones built by primitive civilizations) are subject to prohibition, and there are Black-markets and Speakeasies devoted to computers smuggled in from off-planet? .
YOU think that's bad you orta see what I have to put up with COPYING and PASTING text (particulary URLs) on an Amiga!!
FIRST, I Highlight the particular URL (or text), then after clearing the URL SLOT on my browser I use the F1 Key to 'PASTE' it in. (Using a Tool called 'ConPaste' for the Clip-board output).
BUT, for COPYING text from the browser I usually have to open a 'EditPad' Window (simple text editor), PASTE it in there, before then doing what I want with it!
And don't get me started with HTML Emails!!!!! I have to SAVE the contents to the RAM Disk, open 'EditPad', OPEN the SAVED contents here, DELETE the Mime Header down to the start of the HTML proper, SAVE it back to the RAM Disk, then point the browser at that as a LOCAL File!
(Wish they'd stop sending me HTML Emails)......... .
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HERE to get some idea of what the Amiga 800MHz G4 XE, that I have on order, might be like after it arrives and I have installed AmigaOS 4.0 on it.
... that is something that I can live with because I would prefer speed over eye-candy qualities.
For the last six years I've been running a 68060 50MHz cpu and the NEW experience is bound to be quite different!
I first used commercial applications on Macs and PCs in 1998 when I learnt the basics of Graphic-Prepress. There were aspects about the G3s (which were introduced during my term) that I liked, and others that I didn't. Generally, I prefered the Display Quality and ease of use of the Macs over the PCs, although to be fair, the PCs in use ran Win3.11 and '95.
Reading posts here, I've gained the impression that current Macs may loose some of their speed advantage (over 1998 period Macs) due to excessive graphics overheads because of that pretty GUI.
Since, by the standards of many of the readers here, AmigaOS 4.0 would be considered quite ugly;
I have no idea what the boot-up time of AmigaOS 4.0 on 800MHz G4 would be but the similar Pegasus was reported to Boot MorphOS in sub-3 second times! That compares favourably with the report of a poster on this thread of 15-20 second boot times for MacOSX.
Again, when I've used PhotoShop (1998, 2000, and 2002) on Macs and on PCs I've been dissapointed that the launch time seems 40%-100% longer than that taken by ImageFX on my 1989 model A2000HD with 68060 50MHz and PicassoII 2Mb graphics card.
So, to sum up, I have high hopes for the expected Amiga 800MHz G4 XE with a lean, near RT AmigaOS 4.0 installation. I can live with a "not so pretty" GUI!
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"It all seems moot to me if I can't put in my old 3.5 DD OFS/NFS floppies and boot up to revive some old memories... "
Seriously, remember a device called Catweasel3?
The story DID appear on SlashDot. Go read it!
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"does anybody know avout Amiga's ability to run 64bit?"
.... there's been little hardware advance since CBM went bust eight years ago. And, what there has been has depended on third-party development.
Hey - give it a chance! It may have been 32Bit before MS, and had a Coloured GUI before Mac BUT
64Bit 'may' have to wait till OS5.0.
Don't forget, this OS (for practiple purposes) is where MacOS was when Macs went from 68K to PPC. Except for things such as USB, AGP, and PCI expansion in the hardware.
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"What's so good about it? There must be SOMETHING to warrant all the development in the first place?"
In one word: Functionality.
At the bottom of this page, I've tried to demonstrate some of that.
( Sorry if my OS3.5 isn't pretty enough for your liking; it's set-up for usage, NOT Eye-Candy )
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Well, I can see why this news is no use to you because you have gone over to the Dark Side.
This News is for people such as me and for those willing to seek a way outside Micro4oft's (cursed be their name) version.
Quote"Dells journey to the dark side is complete. You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Help me amiga-wan, your my only hope.
www.teotwin.com (teotwin)"
In addition, (like in Macs) there is no Palladium.
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Some may be buying a"big beige box" but mine will be Black with a side window.
In addition, unlike a Linux-box, mine will have 'Amiga' Keys wereas other keyboards of this type ONLY have 'Windows' Keys!
NB - Those prices are Australian. Multiply by 55% to convert to US.
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Fella, that picture is a JPG!
JPGs are a lossy format; NO wonder some features may be missing!
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Check out the US had plans for a Military Moonbase in 1959. The hardware featured is earlier designs; very Von Braun in fact!
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Sorry, I missed the best link:
To be shown at the WOASE Show in the UK.
o Thendic France (With the bplan Pegasos and MorphOS)
o AmigaOne and OS4
Linux is an option!
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At the WOASE Show in the UK THIS weekend, there are two PPC Mobos to be shown:
o Thendic France (With the bplan Pegasos and MorphOS)
o AmigaOne and OS4
AND, both also run Linux!
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If you'd followed stories on OS NEWS you would be aware that there are at least two available (or close to being available):
The AmigaOneSE and the Pegasus.
Both are to be shown at the WOASE show in the UK this weekend.
Look for the story on http://amiga.org
and on http://ann.lu
As well as the OS' being developed for these, BOTH boards run Linux.
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that they should include:
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"Please, do NOT point at your friends!"
Friendly Fire - biggest killer in the US military,
and amoung its allies' forces.
________________________________________
"You are false data, so I shall ignore you" -(Bomb No.20)
_________________________________________________
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...what I wanted to because
"reproduction in any form is FORBIDDEN by federal law"
(actually the ABOVE line should be all capitalized but
SlashDot's "Lameness filter" prevented a faithful
reproduction of a Federal Warning)
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No one has mentioned the Wave Front of Deadly Radiation propagating from the center of the galaxy that the 'Pupperteer's' Flying Worlds are fleeing!?
(and definitely not that Ringworld that THEY discovered?)
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A customer enters a Bomber shop.
...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Customer: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
C: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
C: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
O: We're closin' for lunch.
C: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this Bomber what I
purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
O: Oh yes, the, uh, the Boeing Blue B-52
C: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's
wrong with it!
O: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
C: Look, matey, I know a dead Bomber when I see one, and I'm looking
at one right now.
O: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable Bomber, the Boeing Blue B-52, idn'it, ay? Beautiful fuselage!
C: The fuselage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
O: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
C: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting into the hangar)
'Ello, Mister bomber B-52! I've got a lovely fresh bomb load for you if
you show...(owner hits the hangar)
O: There, he moved!
[This message was re-edited by voretxau on January 29, 2002 at 20:02.]
Why don't you mention King (of the Rocketmen), or Commander Cody?
... anyone remember Adam Strange and his Zita Beam? Alanana was HOT!
(NB- look up Republic serials).
Then again, there was 'Rocket Ranger' courtesy of Cinemaware!
mmmm
The Price is set for what the customers expect!
... i.e. Amiga only!
... an A2500 to run it on!
A good example:
Scala, Lightwave, and Cinema4D were priced reasonably while in their original versions
When re-written for Windows (a MUCH larger market) etc, each doubled in price.
Then, compare XCad (Amiga) of 1989 to AutoCad (PC) in the same period!
For the price of AutoCad you could purchase XCad2000 PLUS
Shucks ....
and I was just gonna subit:
"Bin Laden or non-Bin Laden?"
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Eric W. Schwartz (famous computer artist and animator) did a humorous animation years back depicting the game of Shuttle Cock as played by using giant bats manipulated by the deployment arm on each playing Space Shuttle.
.
July 12 image is also humorous for those free of MS!!
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Ah, but maybe you'd have to then attach a mouse, and roll it around in your hand,
:-)
so the Energy-Saving Features (not to mention the Screen-Blanker) don't stop you
from CONTINUOUS viewing?
Although, maybe it has merit if just the Adds are Blacked Out!!
.
Agreed.
...... the Tasmanian government is encouraging loggers to clear them out. .........
.........
...
In addition logging companies (with government approval) are harvesting the OLDEST and TALLEST trees in Tasmania. These are Australia's answer to America's Redwoods.
Instead of retaining these 'Giants' for Tourists, and future generations to enjoy
Meanwhile in Indonesia; rich bar_____s (above the law) are ripping hardwood out of Protected Rainforests, moving it into Malaya (where the law doesn't count because its not ripped illegally out of Malaysian forests) and loading it into ships bound for Europe and Australia where it with become luxury furniture.
And in Tibet; Chinese loggers are clearing the timber out (as they can do since they've got all the men with guns) and using it in China, or selling it on.
What's our planet's future? To become Dune?
.
Its Daylight in the USA .... do YOU know where your dirty industries are?
Go on down to the Rio Grande some time and observe all the US owned really dirty industries located just over the border where Anti-Industrial Pollution Laws are really lax.
Of course, you'll just say "Its not my problem that the Mexicans are so slack"!
.
The oldest ones (pre-P4) are urgently wanted in East Timor, where Indonesian Troops, Police, and their patsies TRASHED the East Timorese communities a few years back.
.............
There, it is quite a struggle to restore everything after Indonesia's Scorched-Earth Backhander to a people who just wanted to be free.
Regarding newer ones (P4s onwards) I'd suggest leaving them out at night in 'certain areas' that are over-flown by weird lights in the sky.
Its well known that there are little-blue-men from the stars who just rave over these, and go into raptures crying out: "Pentium! Pentium!", with goofy looks on their faces.
WHY?
I just can't say. Perhaps computers (even primitive ones built by primitive civilizations) are subject to prohibition, and there are Black-markets and Speakeasies devoted to computers smuggled in from off-planet?
.
YOU think that's bad you orta see what I have to put up with COPYING and PASTING text (particulary URLs) on an Amiga!!
FIRST, I Highlight the particular URL (or text), then after clearing the URL SLOT on my browser I use the F1 Key to 'PASTE' it in. (Using a Tool called 'ConPaste' for the Clip-board output).
BUT, for COPYING text from the browser I usually have to open a 'EditPad' Window (simple text editor), PASTE it in there, before then doing what I want with it!
And don't get me started with HTML Emails!!!!! I have to SAVE the contents to the RAM Disk, open 'EditPad', OPEN the SAVED contents here, DELETE the Mime Header down to the start of the HTML proper, SAVE it back to the RAM Disk, then point the browser at that as a LOCAL File!
(Wish they'd stop sending me HTML Emails).........
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