The fact is, this was probably the result of some kid with a DDOS kit and a DSL line. We have courts for a reason, and it's specifically so we DON'T have to go "vigilante style" on every crackpot corp that decides that it deserves a cut of someone elses pie.
Yes, but there's nothing paticularly exceptional about the heat. It's hot, but it's not OC'er hot. In that case, because of that, a well thought out cooling system should be able to keep the chip running within operating specs.
(in situations like this, I like to blame it on "being too oldskool". YEah. That's it, I've been using computers with 1->200 Mhz so long, a Ghz seems kooky and strange. ^ ^)
Not everyone is an audiophile. Obviously, when you're using crappy computer speakers, rather than a reference quality 5.1 surround system, it doesn't matter as much when the recording isn't 100% uncompressed digital.
This is going to shock you, but SOME people even listen to AM radio! GAK!
I'm not entirely sure $100,000 dollars for a venture like this in 18 hours is that great. Sure, compared to what you or I make, 100,000 dollars in 18 hours is incredible, but if you factor in the amount of money they've put into running and creating the store, paired with the normal profit for a large scale commercial venture, I'd be interested in seeing exactly how well it has done in the grand scheme of things.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- You're talking about a processor with a thousand times the processing power of the entire world 50 years ago -- That's why it needs a heatsink and fan. Why anyone would expect such a powerful processor to automatically keep the same thermal specs as an old 386 is beyond me!
It sounds like there might be something wrong with your system, if it won't even run at 1.4Ghz. Personally, I'd take out some of those fans. Try to get a more efficient airflow going, and you'll be able to keep your machine twice as cool with half the fans. I installed a chimney fan in my case, and removed 4 or 5 other fans in the process. My system temp dropped from the mid 50s to the low 30s. (under load, I run at 37'. Without load, I'm usually closer to 34). The only fans I have that aren't directly attached to a processor are my chimney fan, my PSU fan, and an intake fan in the front of the case which may or may not actually do anything. Remember: less is more. Good airflow is infinitely more important than lots of fans. Just think of those Dells which don't even have a fan on the heatsink, and just use a shroud and a large fan to cool the entire system!
The new Sledgehammer runs at 1.8Mhz. In a dual-processor combination, it can slaughter the Xeon 3.06Ghz in some applications, and holds it's own in most others.
If you think that AMD should honestly be trying to convince the public that 1.8Mhz the 1.8Ghz model of this is faster than the 3.06Ghz model of that, you've got a screw loose. Personally, I think their current system is accurate enough when comparing two processors of the same or different brands that it is a service to the customer. It's certainly easier than trying to figure out from Intel literature whether a 1.2Ghz Pentium 3 is actually slower than the same clocked Pentium 4.
too bad the SETI@home system is redundant enough to weed out a bad source like that. It would have been even funnier if it could actually happen. ^ ^
Besides -- what makes you think the hillbillies we have running the various countries of the world would *listen* to the answers to all the problems we have on earth? For the most part, I'd say they're a bunch of ignorant, closed-minded idiots who were fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon in their mouths. They'd probably look at anyone presumptuous enough to give them advice with hostility.
That's wierd. The last two chips I overclocked (A p166 clocked to 200Mhz and my Geforce 4 to some frequency I can't even remember, but 600Mhz sounds familiar...), it's because it meant increasing the power of my machine without dropping anything on a new component.
I guess people who overclock "...because it can be fun, can be stimulating, can be challenging" are the same people who enjoy russian roulette.
Yes, they do know. Anyone who thinks that a 13 year old wouldn't know GTA is just a game is either crazy or stupid. How can I say this? Because I've grown up with violent video games. In 1989, at the tender age of 7, I was killing nazis in Wolfenstien 3d. in 1992, I was killing demons in Doom. In 1996, I was killing alien bastards and strippers in Duke Numkem. In 1997 I was killing innocent people for fun and profit in the original GTA. From the very beginning, I've known full well that it wasn't real. Nobody thought it was. The interactivity only drove the point home. These aren't real people. They're being controlled by the keyboard. Duh. If you were talking about colombine, people like to conveniently forget that those kids were extremely emotionally disturbed. It was a statistical fluke that it happened(please keep in mind that Doom was nearly 10 years old when the shooting happened). Nothing more. Destroying the world to save the children can only make things worse for the non-psychotic ones.
This is theft and yes many people do it and download commercial games,music and movies, they are all illegally copying material which does not belong to them, I hope they get whatever the law can through at them.
If you've ever commited any crime and not been punished, you're being a hypocrite. Tell me, have you ever sped? Stolen office equipment(rather, "borrowed it")? Downloaded a song? Made a copy of a video tape for a freind? watched a video tape a freind made for you? Ever seen a movie at a party or gathering which wasn't licensed for public viewing? E-mailed a funny picture to your freind? Have you ever hit another human being in any way? If you have, you've probably commited a crime, and and you haven't been punished, you're a hypocrite.
but hey, maybe you're a priest or something. I can tell you that nobody *I* know isn't guilty of something, and petty copyright infringement is on the bottom of a looooong list of things a person could be guilty of doing. And hey, if you're not a priest, and you've got some blood on your hands about something -- anything...you're nothing but a self-righeous prick, from a long line of self-righteous pricks who seem to think that justice only comes for other people.
"anti-competitive, price-fixing, anti-privacy, anti-any-rights, monopolistic, control-freak" Guess what? No one forced you to do business with them...vote with your $$/feet
I keep seeing this, and it's so utterly stupid, so brainless, so devoid of any sense, that I wish the real world worked that way. It'd be great. I could make a living as a bank robber. What? You don't like the fact that I'm a criminal? Well, don't throw me in jail or expect any real punishment to be inflicted upon me, vote with your $$/feet. Stop giving me work. Hell, I don't care, I can keep robbing your bank without even worrying about guards, I can even kill people if I want. Just as long as you keep voting with your $$/feet. Make that bad murder man go away that way. Yeah. That'll teach me!
That's such a stupid idea -- that it's ok that an entity exists which has all the legal rights of a human, none of the responsibilities, and carte blanche to break any law they like or just bribe someone to make new ones, and you shouldn't feel absolutely appalled at this disgusting perversion of everything the civilized world stands for, simply because you don't *NEED* to spend your money on them(though their cartel has a virtual monopoly worldwide, and it's virtually impossible to walk into a music store anywhere in the western world and walk out with a non-RIAA title, let alone see one on TV or hear one on the radio(let that sink in, because I don't think it has for most of you. This isn't your local music store it's affecting. This isn't the west coast. This isn't even America or even North America. It's the entire western world being controlled culturally by a single cartel.))...
But so be it! Let the criminals go free! After all, we've got...well, we've got DICKALL. We've got some vague idealistic principle that we don't need to punish corporations because we can just be happy little sheep knowing that we're making our 1/1000000000th of a difference, even if it *IS* the same as bailing out the Titanic using a plastic cup. We've got a group acting like it's the government because they think the world owes them a living, without any of the responsibilities yet all the power of that charge. We've got corporations trying to get the legal ability to commit acts of cyber-terrorism on citizens of the United States for the most petty acts of copyright infringement, but we are supposed to ignore that, we're supposed to sit back and pat ourselves on the fucking backs because we're not buying anything from those fuckers anymore
FUCK THAT. I speak of all corporations who abuse their power here when I say, I'm going to keep on bitching, moaning, and complaining. I'm going to keep on fighting until they rip my resolve from my cold, dead brain using a scalpel, and I'm not going to try to pretend that ignoring the problem in a civically responsible manner is going to solve anything. And even if they succeed, even if I accomplish nothing, even if I make things worse, I can lie defeated knowing that they'll never extinguish the fire that they've lit in the hearts of those who cherish freedom and justice. Let it burn, forevermore.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it's a terrible injustice being done towards the RIAA for us to do anything more than ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away because they don't have that 20 dollars from the CD you didn't buy.
If there was absolutely no threat from EULAs whatsoever, this thread wouldn't exist, and that guy wouldn't have recieved a call from an MIB. but as it stands, the Software industry seems to think that they are still appropriate, so rhetorically speaking, if one were to be held up in court, it would be a breech of contract law, not criminal law, which would be in question. Since technically, the license is your ticket to the copyright, and the only thing a software company can demand would be to revoke your right to use the software, and the general wording of the contract itself generally seems to support that action above anything else.
Why do you believe the contract being declared void would negate their copyright? It seems to be that the worst-case scenario for a piece of software would be being dropped back into US/Berne Convention copyrights, thereby making the software a little more free to work on, but still making copyright infringement illegal. I haven't seen any precident or piece of law stating that copyrights are to be stripped on a work whose license agreement isn't legal.
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You know what? If that were the reason for going in, I'd be 100% behind the war and smacking around anyone who disagreed with it. A brilliant piece of strategy like that, utilizing a single war as a mere piece of such a grand strategy, would be something I could support, and in fact, something very close to what I have advocated from the beginning (ie. fight the base problems of terrorism, not the terrorists themselves). The problem is that I don't believe anyone in the current administration has that kind of forsight. Everything points to the effects of this war being a mere side effect to the bungling of a barely literate president and a weak, collectively gullable congress.
I wish to be proven wrong though. I don't think it'll happen though.
You don't seem to understand the difference between a EULA, a README, and a disclaimer.
Here's the deal:
If you break the EULA, you no longer own the software. Read it. They can take away your license with extreme prejudice if you break any of the stipulations within.
If you ignore a README, you're a little more ignorant, but nothing happens. MS certainly can't take away your software!
If you ignore a disclaimer, you can't bitch at MS if Foxpro stops working, or if WINE won't let you print, or any such thing. They'll just say "sorry, what you did isn't supported, so we don't have to help you!" if you call, just like they've done in the past.
Now. If you don't want to be liable if something happens to foxpro? Which do you put it under? the README if you're lazy, the disclaimer if you're serious, but not the EULA unless you're nuts.
Also, you don't seem to be familiar with Windows update. Let me enlighten you. Windows update updates windows. It doesn't update Office. It doesn't update Visual Studio. It doesn't update Freelancer or Halo or Flight Simulator or anything else. In fact, for anything except windows or office (which has it's own officeupdate site), you're more than likely going to have to download patches like everyone else out there (except that once you get rid of the nifty auto-detection, you'll find that MS has some of the most labyrinthine patch sites on the internet).
It's not really reasonable or justifiable at all. We're not talking about a README here, we're talking about a document saying "if you don't do things our way, we'll take away your license to the software, in spite of the fact that you paid for it". To be honest, there are very, very few things that would be reasonable or justifiable to put in that EULA. In this case, it's tantamount to blackmail. "I don't think you want to be using this software on an alternate OS, because your rather expensive software licenses might have....an unfortunate accident?"...
Personally, I think this kind of thing should have been covered back when MS was in court (before their 50 lashes with a feather those pansies called a punishment), because MS is famous for it's legal wranglings. Part of the court case should have put forth a remedy that would severely limit it's ability to twist the law into breaking their competition...
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I think you raise a couple good points, but you're playing a dangerous games there. All it takes is a few whole-scale invasions for "the enemy of the enemy is my freind" to kick in again, and a band of dictators, seeing that the US is serious about assassinating the leaders of these countries in addition to invading the countries, get together to launch a real attack on America(and not a couple angry guys in the middle of a desert plotting to take down a monument or two).
I've never thought that the old "Like me! <smack!> Like me! <smack!>" way of doing things works, and this is an extention of that. New destruction rarely breeds peace.
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The fact is, this was probably the result of some kid with a DDOS kit and a DSL line. We have courts for a reason, and it's specifically so we DON'T have to go "vigilante style" on every crackpot corp that decides that it deserves a cut of someone elses pie.
It's always great to mock the northern peso^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HCanadian dollar.
Yes, but there's nothing paticularly exceptional about the heat. It's hot, but it's not OC'er hot. In that case, because of that, a well thought out cooling system should be able to keep the chip running within operating specs.
Well, you know -- AMD knows their shit. ^ ^
(in situations like this, I like to blame it on "being too oldskool". YEah. That's it, I've been using computers with 1->200 Mhz so long, a Ghz seems kooky and strange. ^ ^)
Not everyone is an audiophile. Obviously, when you're using crappy computer speakers, rather than a reference quality 5.1 surround system, it doesn't matter as much when the recording isn't 100% uncompressed digital.
This is going to shock you, but SOME people even listen to AM radio! GAK!
I'm not entirely sure $100,000 dollars for a venture like this in 18 hours is that great. Sure, compared to what you or I make, 100,000 dollars in 18 hours is incredible, but if you factor in the amount of money they've put into running and creating the store, paired with the normal profit for a large scale commercial venture, I'd be interested in seeing exactly how well it has done in the grand scheme of things.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- You're talking about a processor with a thousand times the processing power of the entire world 50 years ago -- That's why it needs a heatsink and fan. Why anyone would expect such a powerful processor to automatically keep the same thermal specs as an old 386 is beyond me!
+1 evil
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+1 subversive
Finally,
+1 not every tragedy is so terrible we can't joke about it.
All in all, good post.
It sounds like there might be something wrong with your system, if it won't even run at 1.4Ghz. Personally, I'd take out some of those fans. Try to get a more efficient airflow going, and you'll be able to keep your machine twice as cool with half the fans. I installed a chimney fan in my case, and removed 4 or 5 other fans in the process. My system temp dropped from the mid 50s to the low 30s. (under load, I run at 37'. Without load, I'm usually closer to 34). The only fans I have that aren't directly attached to a processor are my chimney fan, my PSU fan, and an intake fan in the front of the case which may or may not actually do anything. Remember: less is more. Good airflow is infinitely more important than lots of fans. Just think of those Dells which don't even have a fan on the heatsink, and just use a shroud and a large fan to cool the entire system!
You first.
The new Sledgehammer runs at 1.8Mhz. In a dual-processor combination, it can slaughter the Xeon 3.06Ghz in some applications, and holds it's own in most others.
If you think that AMD should honestly be trying to convince the public that 1.8Mhz the 1.8Ghz model of this is faster than the 3.06Ghz model of that, you've got a screw loose. Personally, I think their current system is accurate enough when comparing two processors of the same or different brands that it is a service to the customer. It's certainly easier than trying to figure out from Intel literature whether a 1.2Ghz Pentium 3 is actually slower than the same clocked Pentium 4.
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too bad the SETI@home system is redundant enough to weed out a bad source like that. It would have been even funnier if it could actually happen. ^ ^
Besides -- what makes you think the hillbillies we have running the various countries of the world would *listen* to the answers to all the problems we have on earth? For the most part, I'd say they're a bunch of ignorant, closed-minded idiots who were fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon in their mouths. They'd probably look at anyone presumptuous enough to give them advice with hostility.
That's wierd. The last two chips I overclocked (A p166 clocked to 200Mhz and my Geforce 4 to some frequency I can't even remember, but 600Mhz sounds familiar...), it's because it meant increasing the power of my machine without dropping anything on a new component.
I guess people who overclock "...because it can be fun, can be stimulating, can be challenging" are the same people who enjoy russian roulette.
Whatever your tastes, I guess.
Yes, they do know. Anyone who thinks that a 13 year old wouldn't know GTA is just a game is either crazy or stupid. How can I say this? Because I've grown up with violent video games. In 1989, at the tender age of 7, I was killing nazis in Wolfenstien 3d. in 1992, I was killing demons in Doom. In 1996, I was killing alien bastards and strippers in Duke Numkem. In 1997 I was killing innocent people for fun and profit in the original GTA. From the very beginning, I've known full well that it wasn't real. Nobody thought it was. The interactivity only drove the point home. These aren't real people. They're being controlled by the keyboard. Duh. If you were talking about colombine, people like to conveniently forget that those kids were extremely emotionally disturbed. It was a statistical fluke that it happened(please keep in mind that Doom was nearly 10 years old when the shooting happened). Nothing more. Destroying the world to save the children can only make things worse for the non-psychotic ones.
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This is theft and yes many people do it and download commercial games,music and movies, they are all illegally copying material which does not belong to them, I hope they get whatever the law can through at them.
If you've ever commited any crime and not been punished, you're being a hypocrite. Tell me, have you ever sped? Stolen office equipment(rather, "borrowed it")? Downloaded a song? Made a copy of a video tape for a freind? watched a video tape a freind made for you? Ever seen a movie at a party or gathering which wasn't licensed for public viewing? E-mailed a funny picture to your freind? Have you ever hit another human being in any way? If you have, you've probably commited a crime, and and you haven't been punished, you're a hypocrite.
but hey, maybe you're a priest or something. I can tell you that nobody *I* know isn't guilty of something, and petty copyright infringement is on the bottom of a looooong list of things a person could be guilty of doing. And hey, if you're not a priest, and you've got some blood on your hands about something -- anything...you're nothing but a self-righeous prick, from a long line of self-righteous pricks who seem to think that justice only comes for other people.
"anti-competitive, price-fixing, anti-privacy, anti-any-rights, monopolistic, control-freak"
Guess what? No one forced you to do business with them...vote with your $$/feet
I keep seeing this, and it's so utterly stupid, so brainless, so devoid of any sense, that I wish the real world worked that way. It'd be great. I could make a living as a bank robber. What? You don't like the fact that I'm a criminal? Well, don't throw me in jail or expect any real punishment to be inflicted upon me, vote with your $$/feet. Stop giving me work. Hell, I don't care, I can keep robbing your bank without even worrying about guards, I can even kill people if I want. Just as long as you keep voting with your $$/feet. Make that bad murder man go away that way. Yeah. That'll teach me!
That's such a stupid idea -- that it's ok that an entity exists which has all the legal rights of a human, none of the responsibilities, and carte blanche to break any law they like or just bribe someone to make new ones, and you shouldn't feel absolutely appalled at this disgusting perversion of everything the civilized world stands for, simply because you don't *NEED* to spend your money on them(though their cartel has a virtual monopoly worldwide, and it's virtually impossible to walk into a music store anywhere in the western world and walk out with a non-RIAA title, let alone see one on TV or hear one on the radio(let that sink in, because I don't think it has for most of you. This isn't your local music store it's affecting. This isn't the west coast. This isn't even America or even North America. It's the entire western world being controlled culturally by a single cartel.))...
But so be it! Let the criminals go free! After all, we've got...well, we've got DICKALL. We've got some vague idealistic principle that we don't need to punish corporations because we can just be happy little sheep knowing that we're making our 1/1000000000th of a difference, even if it *IS* the same as bailing out the Titanic using a plastic cup. We've got a group acting like it's the government because they think the world owes them a living, without any of the responsibilities yet all the power of that charge. We've got corporations trying to get the legal ability to commit acts of cyber-terrorism on citizens of the United States for the most petty acts of copyright infringement, but we are supposed to ignore that, we're supposed to sit back and pat ourselves on the fucking backs because we're not buying anything from those fuckers anymore
FUCK THAT.
I speak of all corporations who abuse their power here when I say, I'm going to keep on bitching, moaning, and complaining. I'm going to keep on fighting until they rip my resolve from my cold, dead brain using a scalpel, and I'm not going to try to pretend that ignoring the problem in a civically responsible manner is going to solve anything. And even if they succeed, even if I accomplish nothing, even if I make things worse, I can lie defeated knowing that they'll never extinguish the fire that they've lit in the hearts of those who cherish freedom and justice. Let it burn, forevermore.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it's a terrible injustice being done towards the RIAA for us to do anything more than ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away because they don't have that 20 dollars from the CD you didn't buy.
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SJ.
Think about it.
If there was absolutely no threat from EULAs whatsoever, this thread wouldn't exist, and that guy wouldn't have recieved a call from an MIB. but as it stands, the Software industry seems to think that they are still appropriate, so rhetorically speaking, if one were to be held up in court, it would be a breech of contract law, not criminal law, which would be in question. Since technically, the license is your ticket to the copyright, and the only thing a software company can demand would be to revoke your right to use the software, and the general wording of the contract itself generally seems to support that action above anything else.
Why do you believe the contract being declared void would negate their copyright? It seems to be that the worst-case scenario for a piece of software would be being dropped back into US/Berne Convention copyrights, thereby making the software a little more free to work on, but still making copyright infringement illegal. I haven't seen any precident or piece of law stating that copyrights are to be stripped on a work whose license agreement isn't legal.
You know what? If that were the reason for going in, I'd be 100% behind the war and smacking around anyone who disagreed with it. A brilliant piece of strategy like that, utilizing a single war as a mere piece of such a grand strategy, would be something I could support, and in fact, something very close to what I have advocated from the beginning (ie. fight the base problems of terrorism, not the terrorists themselves). The problem is that I don't believe anyone in the current administration has that kind of forsight. Everything points to the effects of this war being a mere side effect to the bungling of a barely literate president and a weak, collectively gullable congress.
I wish to be proven wrong though. I don't think it'll happen though.
You don't seem to understand the difference between a EULA, a README, and a disclaimer.
Here's the deal:
If you break the EULA, you no longer own the software. Read it. They can take away your license with extreme prejudice if you break any of the stipulations within.
If you ignore a README, you're a little more ignorant, but nothing happens. MS certainly can't take away your software!
If you ignore a disclaimer, you can't bitch at MS if Foxpro stops working, or if WINE won't let you print, or any such thing. They'll just say "sorry, what you did isn't supported, so we don't have to help you!" if you call, just like they've done in the past.
Now. If you don't want to be liable if something happens to foxpro? Which do you put it under? the README if you're lazy, the disclaimer if you're serious, but not the EULA unless you're nuts.
Also, you don't seem to be familiar with Windows update. Let me enlighten you. Windows update updates windows. It doesn't update Office. It doesn't update Visual Studio. It doesn't update Freelancer or Halo or Flight Simulator or anything else. In fact, for anything except windows or office (which has it's own officeupdate site), you're more than likely going to have to download patches like everyone else out there (except that once you get rid of the nifty auto-detection, you'll find that MS has some of the most labyrinthine patch sites on the internet).
It's not really reasonable or justifiable at all. We're not talking about a README here, we're talking about a document saying "if you don't do things our way, we'll take away your license to the software, in spite of the fact that you paid for it". To be honest, there are very, very few things that would be reasonable or justifiable to put in that EULA. In this case, it's tantamount to blackmail. "I don't think you want to be using this software on an alternate OS, because your rather expensive software licenses might have....an unfortunate accident?"...
Personally, I think this kind of thing should have been covered back when MS was in court (before their 50 lashes with a feather those pansies called a punishment), because MS is famous for it's legal wranglings. Part of the court case should have put forth a remedy that would severely limit it's ability to twist the law into breaking their competition...
I think you raise a couple good points, but you're playing a dangerous games there. All it takes is a few whole-scale invasions for "the enemy of the enemy is my freind" to kick in again, and a band of dictators, seeing that the US is serious about assassinating the leaders of these countries in addition to invading the countries, get together to launch a real attack on America(and not a couple angry guys in the middle of a desert plotting to take down a monument or two).
I've never thought that the old "Like me! <smack!> Like me! <smack!>" way of doing things works, and this is an extention of that. New destruction rarely breeds peace.
Maybe if you stopped thinking of getting laid as "Engineering" you'd actually have a girlfriend.
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yeah, and maybe if you stopped talking out your ass, you'd have one.
I doubt it though. bullshit tends to cling to a person.
We are Borg. We must all be of One mind.
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Carl:Oh borg queen, I heard Frank having an independant thought!
Frank:I did not!
Carl:There! You did it again!
Frank:Stop that, goddamni it!
Carl:Or what?
Frank:Or.....I'll say that bombing Iraq is wrong.
Carl:Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
AOL isn't the government, nor is any other ISP. Free speech arguments, therefore, cannot apply to AOL.
Nope, but the courts are. Since AOL is suing the spammers, there are indeed free speech issues.
Tell that to the idiots paying a hundred bucks for a pair of jeans with a certain name on them.