We've got another little OS that kicks the shit out of DR-DOS and CP/M... It's called Linux.
I'd agree with you if Linux was half as easy as DOS (1. Plug in driver install disk 2.type a:Install 3. follow onscreen instructions) or if you could run linux on my old TRS-80, 8088, 286, coco3(TRS-80 Color Computer 3), or run half the number of applications available DOS under Linux, or if the bootup time for Linux or Windows was even twice what it was for DOS. DOS is even rock solid stable, especially when we are talking about protected mode apps. The apps may crash, but pmode apps will rarely take the system down, and a lot of regular apps had less to worry about, so they are inherently less buggy. If they did crash, nobody comes close to the swift bootups under DOS, so it doesn't matter as much as when an operating system which takes 5 minutes (or even 30 seconds) to boot up.
DOS has stayed fairly recent because of these things(or in spite of them), and there is even several web browsers (my favourite web browser for DOS is Arachne) for it, in spite of the obstacles faced when coding TCP/IP applications for DOS.
I find the best part though, is that DOS is a de facto cross platform standard. Many Operating Systems can run dos applications either natively or thorugh an emulator or VDM.
Now I'm going to stop fanboy-ing DOS, and get back into the real world.:)
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I had found several ways to do multitasking dos easily, and at least one of them was pmode.
First: OS/2 warp allowed you to use a text mode shell, which would be multitaskable and pmoded. That was a long time ago... The only one of these other than windows(which is a bitch about it) which will run Quake multitaksing.
Second: TSX411 allowed for multitasking in text mode and in some CGA modes, and it also allowed for VGA modes to run normally, but I haven't heard anything about it since the early 80s.
Third: Fallback Windows 3.1 with command.com set as the shell. Not my favourite solution...
Fourth: Linux with dosemu: I'd really rather not get into why this is a bad idea for day to day use, but it has something to do with never being able to run shell 0 apps and general instability in regular apps.
The reason for all this research is simple: At one time I learned about most of these(early 80s), windows sucked so badly nobody used it (whereas today, MS marketing(Bill Gates considers 1984 an instruction manual, not a novel) has convinced everybody to use it...), and multitasking under DOS was cool and innovative. Secondly, I'm a dos programmer right now (moving to linux with my next project to avoid Windows "He made a nice program -- lets clone it!" XP), and multitasking comes in handy, but the crashability of Windows is bad when I'm trying to make something work..
Plugs in webcam, buys scanner, plugs in digital camera, plugs in USB speakers, upgrades a non-PnP monitor to a PnP one.
not really a major upgrade in terms of PC hardware, but then, windows considers all these devices, so...
You could even go further -- computer is brought to a LAN party, all the video hardware is unplugged, when it's brought home, it needs to be activated again. That could become more than annoying.
and as for the benefits of XP, point out one which a person who works for a living should go out and pay 200 bucks on(and couldn't do with a 50 dollar shareware package, a la the UI). Now go pay the 200 bucks AND get slapped around by the comany you are keeping in business by purchacing their software. No... I don't think so.
I crack games I buy legitimately because I don't think I should have to live with copy protection after I payed for the game. The difference between the game and the OS is that I bought the game for 20 bucks(which is cheap enough for me to overlook a minor inconvenience), and I don't have to keep it on my computer forever. I can't say the same for the OS.
98SE is fine for home users in stability. I put it onto my laptop after deleting the criminally flawed windows ME(I don't think anybody with half a clue kept with it...), and I don't crash often (That's not always been my experience though -- I have a 166 which hates it, and I used a 386 a couple years ago which couldn't stand anything other than Linux and DOS). By far, my biggest problem is that I have to reboot once in a while(multiple times per day) to free up resources. It was especially fast after I discovered msconfig.
on the topic of windows ME though...did anybody notice how much functionallity they *REMOVED* from it? You couldn't set the dialup adapter to have an IP address, which is a bad thing because this thinkpad I-Series doesn't come with a network card built in and I still want to play a game of multiplayer quake (I fool with the gateways and it lets Client/Server applications use two IP interfaces(dun(or DCC, which is my case), and ethernet)). I also noticed that pressing ctrl-esc didn't bring up the task manager when explorer wasn't loaded, and the fact that they removed the dos bootup was a farce, considering how important a feature that was for maintenance and redundancy (because a windows PC isn't guaranteed to boot)...
You couldn't PAY me to move to NT though. That goes for 2000 or XP as well. If I'm going to ruin my compatibility and lose drivers for all my peripherals(which happened when I tried NT out), I'd rather use OS/2, BeOS(It'll never die as long as I own the compiler!), or Linux.
Now I've gone off on a rant.....sorry about that:)
As soon as you get a professional group of developers who are compensated for their work. You can't rely on the garbage thats being churned out be the long-haired communist hippies that are in charge now.
Let he who has never had windows corrupt a part of a FAT partition bitch about how it's because they don't get paid. The rest of us will deal with it as a part of trying new things (innovating, if you will) is making mistakes and fixing them, and anyone who runs out and installs the latest patch the second it's posted is asking for trouble. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Since You are at war with afganistan, can you attack canada too? How about the UK? When you declare war against one nation, you are at war WITH THAT NATION, not all of them. I know you think that the US has the god given right to remove other peoples rights because you're so used to it happening at home, but the US has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to do things to other nations which it isn't at war with. If the US wants to declare war against the world, DO SO. Then we can come in and clean up your little monarchy(because you sure as hell aren't a democracy!). Otherwise, keep the efforts against the contries you are actually at war with, instead of playing the paranoia game with any goddamn country which you suspect being the enemy.
Secondly, on your comments on hitler, have you taken no classes in history? Are they all on how if you are righteous it's okay to kill someone without a trial if you're sure he's evil? Hitler would have been tried and found guilty, just like all the other monsters of WWII were if he hadn't committed suicide. You see, in free countries in the world, people are given a fair trial before they are excecuted for crimes against humanity. I know it's hard to fathom, being American, but not all people who are accused of such crimes are guilty.
If your goddamn "crusade" ends up waging war against a country like that for no apparant reason, then the USA is a nation run by evil international terrorists. Don't be suprised if "terrorism" on your own shores starts happening if you just start drawing names from a hat on which "evil terrorist" nation you will attack next. I know that if you were to attack *my* country(admittedly, not somalia) without provokation like you suggest the US is planning, I'd be fighting mad, and a little bit of "counterterrorist terrorism" would be a likely outcome, and I think that most nations on earth would join us, including many nations which have pledged to support the US.
posting anonymously because at this point, I've posted this exact same message twice....It applies to both. There's also the people who can't understand irony and sarcasm.
There's no such thing as political suicide through incompotence in the US. As long as you can spin it as being good, no matter how unbelievable the explaination, you'll have the sheep believing you, and the minority who understands the world will be told that "they are in bed with the terrorists".
"sure, we nuked the entire middle east, but we're airlifting supplies to the mutated survivors! It's their fault for resisting our invasion in the first place! We've made our point that terrorism will not be tollerated."
too far from what would happen? Likely not. I have no respect for the US government, or the American people, who allow themselves to be manipulated.
I wish that they would show messages modded beneath your threshhold if there are messages at your threshhold attached to it, or just don't show any of the messages in the thread. It just serves to confuse.
Does that mean that the US are now "hacker terrorists" for causing a crime of mass disruption?
BOMBS AWAY!
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"freedom for all....but only the freedoms I allow" is pretty wierd. I know this guy is supposedly some sort of big guy in the linux scene (which I am not a part of -- I use the software because it's better, not so I have my own personal madman spouting stuff about what I should be able to do with code I write.)
I'm all for open source(most of my projects fall under it using a license I wrote(there's so little to protect, I don't need lawyers for that!)), but lets have it on terms the developer actually wants, rather than a "one license for all" which is really kind of scary.
glad you were missing the point of my post that was that PC games do exist which run under 4 megs.
Quake and Quake II are 2.5d? 320x200? MIDI soundtrack? Sure it's no full fledged RPG with a dynamic world, but nobody asked it to be. People just played one of the RPGs for PC (a lot of which just plain rock -- Daggerfall is still one of the most flexibal (but definitely the ugliest) RPGs out there.)
on average, perhaps console games use less memory?
Defintely, they are designed that way. I'd love to see better designed PC games which follow that "we have two megs of memory to work with" philosophy which bring console systems to their limits, and it really makes me cringe when I hear about games with such horrible memory requirements (couldn't some of that 512 megs of RAM that some games ask for be left on the hard drive?).
As a developer who is currently working in real mode (mostly to learn the ins and outs of interfacing directly with hardware(hardware programming is beautiful.:))), memory restraints make me use the memory I have better. For instance, I use boolean arrays to store fonts instead of integers, which lowers memory useage by a factor of 8. I sometimes think that a few weeks coding on pentium systems would help developers understand the need for optimization of memory use and processor use.
I have to admit, I found the last piece of X-Box news interesting (It's not just like a PC, it IS a PC! Microsoft just ended up breaking compatibility on purpose -- WTF?), this whole article is really redundant. The Xbox vs/ PS/2 was interesting enough(ok, I didn't get to read the article -- my DNS service is shitty and slow at best -- non exsitant at worst...)
Since the
Since almost all the components in the X-Box are just modified PC components, a modern PC(with the benefit of a few months of tech, not to mention better hardware specs in areas the Xbox can't touch like monitors, optical mice, guaranteed internet acces and most imporantly, expandability, which is hindered on the Xbox by Microsofts conveniently broken USB implementation)
On another thought,
Isn't AGP close to UMA in it's goal? I mean, AGP allows for high speed writes to the video memory... Wasn't that the point of UMA as well?
Expressing your own opinion is a part of being free, which he did when he expressed to his cousin, who in turn decided not to take it.
I'd say a vote for the X-Box is a vote for stomping out freedom of choice. Sony, Nintendo and Sega generally compete against each other, which results in a very healthy air of competiton. I know it hurts to admit it, but when Microsoft monopolizes an industry(and judging from a poll I did, it looks like they might actually succeed...), you *aren't* actually better off than when you started! I know Microsofts Freedom to Innovate may be at stake when they aren't allowed to monopolize an industry, but that's the way a non communist society is! Deal with it!
If you remember the Zelda game for the Nintendo 64, it would run on only 4 MB of RAM. I would like to see PC games do that ^_^
Speaking soley as a person who has been playing games for longer than 6 months(aparantly, you haven't...), Almost any game for DOS will run on 4 megs, and a large variety of games for windows will too. There are some exceptions under dos (many of those are DPMI apps and can be told to swap to disk, which oddly enough ends up just as quick as an 8 meg machine), but Quake, Duke 3d, Descent, TV, doom(and mor importantly, doom legacy), tomb raider, and hundreds of others are all fully capable of running under 4 megs. Games so sloppy they require 128/256/512 megs of ram (like duke4ever) are a relatively new phenomena.
They don't take a stand on other issues we might be interested in, but it's still worth thinking about.
I consider anybody being screwed by the company they work for to be something I'm interested in. Just because they aren't demanding that napster returns doesn't mean anything, and I consider all the people bitching about the way things are done there (artists, that is) to be evidence that the cartel which is the RIAA doesn't work for the good of the artists (the only people in the whold forsaken industry who deserve to be paid for their work).
If the artists are against the RIAA, then whom exactly does the RIAA represent?
Why, the bastards who run the record comanies. I thought everybody knew by now that the record industry is structured to leech as much money from the artists as possible. Why else would so many busty blondes with no discernable talent have recording contracts?
Basically, the industry is owned by people who only understand profit, not beauty, or art, or the power of music.
The slashdot moderation system is getting out of hand. I've had decent posts modded to troll or flamebait for no apparant reason. I think maybe some moderators are just too sensitive or something.
If you cannot or do not want afford something better, fine, yet that is not a SCSI problem.
Actually, it IS a SCSI problem. That's one of the biggest problems! Until the price becomes tollerable, nobody who wants to eat will be able to afford a decent amount of space.
he's talking a catch 22 of sorts -- What he's trying to say is that IDE is worse than SCSI. The phrasing of the post makes it seem like he's saying something greater, but it's the equivilant to saying "it's the worst possible drive standard out of the two in widespread use -- except for all the ones which I'm not thinking of".
On another note, I have a strange feeling that most SCSI enthusiasts don't pay for their own systems or something... The drive prices are horrendous!
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We've got another little OS that kicks the shit out of DR-DOS and CP/M... It's called Linux.
:)
I'd agree with you if Linux was half as easy as DOS (1. Plug in driver install disk 2.type a:Install 3. follow onscreen instructions) or if you could run linux on my old TRS-80, 8088, 286, coco3(TRS-80 Color Computer 3), or run half the number of applications available DOS under Linux, or if the bootup time for Linux or Windows was even twice what it was for DOS. DOS is even rock solid stable, especially when we are talking about protected mode apps. The apps may crash, but pmode apps will rarely take the system down, and a lot of regular apps had less to worry about, so they are inherently less buggy. If they did crash, nobody comes close to the swift bootups under DOS, so it doesn't matter as much as when an operating system which takes 5 minutes (or even 30 seconds) to boot up.
DOS has stayed fairly recent because of these things(or in spite of them), and there is even several web browsers (my favourite web browser for DOS is Arachne) for it, in spite of the obstacles faced when coding TCP/IP applications for DOS.
I find the best part though, is that DOS is a de facto cross platform standard. Many Operating Systems can run dos applications either natively or thorugh an emulator or VDM.
Now I'm going to stop fanboy-ing DOS, and get back into the real world.
I had found several ways to do multitasking dos easily, and at least one of them was pmode.
First: OS/2 warp allowed you to use a text mode shell, which would be multitaskable and pmoded. That was a long time ago... The only one of these other than windows(which is a bitch about it) which will run Quake multitaksing.
Second: TSX411 allowed for multitasking in text mode and in some CGA modes, and it also allowed for VGA modes to run normally, but I haven't heard anything about it since the early 80s.
Third: Fallback Windows 3.1 with command.com set as the shell. Not my favourite solution...
Fourth: Linux with dosemu: I'd really rather not get into why this is a bad idea for day to day use, but it has something to do with never being able to run shell 0 apps and general instability in regular apps.
The reason for all this research is simple: At one time I learned about most of these(early 80s), windows sucked so badly nobody used it (whereas today, MS marketing(Bill Gates considers 1984 an instruction manual, not a novel) has convinced everybody to use it...), and multitasking under DOS was cool and innovative. Secondly, I'm a dos programmer right now (moving to linux with my next project to avoid Windows "He made a nice program -- lets clone it!" XP), and multitasking comes in handy, but the crashability of Windows is bad when I'm trying to make something work..
Plugs in webcam, buys scanner, plugs in digital camera, plugs in USB speakers, upgrades a non-PnP monitor to a PnP one.
not really a major upgrade in terms of PC hardware, but then, windows considers all these devices, so...
You could even go further -- computer is brought to a LAN party, all the video hardware is unplugged, when it's brought home, it needs to be activated again. That could become more than annoying.
and as for the benefits of XP, point out one which a person who works for a living should go out and pay 200 bucks on(and couldn't do with a 50 dollar shareware package, a la the UI). Now go pay the 200 bucks AND get slapped around by the comany you are keeping in business by purchacing their software. No... I don't think so.
I crack games I buy legitimately because I don't think I should have to live with copy protection after I payed for the game. The difference between the game and the OS is that I bought the game for 20 bucks(which is cheap enough for me to overlook a minor inconvenience), and I don't have to keep it on my computer forever. I can't say the same for the OS.
98SE is fine for home users in stability. I put it onto my laptop after deleting the criminally flawed windows ME(I don't think anybody with half a clue kept with it...), and I don't crash often (That's not always been my experience though -- I have a 166 which hates it, and I used a 386 a couple years ago which couldn't stand anything other than Linux and DOS). By far, my biggest problem is that I have to reboot once in a while(multiple times per day) to free up resources. It was especially fast after I discovered msconfig.
:)
on the topic of windows ME though...did anybody notice how much functionallity they *REMOVED* from it? You couldn't set the dialup adapter to have an IP address, which is a bad thing because this thinkpad I-Series doesn't come with a network card built in and I still want to play a game of multiplayer quake (I fool with the gateways and it lets Client/Server applications use two IP interfaces(dun(or DCC, which is my case), and ethernet)). I also noticed that pressing ctrl-esc didn't bring up the task manager when explorer wasn't loaded, and the fact that they removed the dos bootup was a farce, considering how important a feature that was for maintenance and redundancy (because a windows PC isn't guaranteed to boot)...
You couldn't PAY me to move to NT though. That goes for 2000 or XP as well. If I'm going to ruin my compatibility and lose drivers for all my peripherals(which happened when I tried NT out), I'd rather use OS/2, BeOS(It'll never die as long as I own the compiler!), or Linux.
Now I've gone off on a rant.....sorry about that
As soon as you get a professional group of developers who are compensated for their work. You can't rely on the garbage thats being churned out be the long-haired communist hippies that are in charge now.
Let he who has never had windows corrupt a part of a FAT partition bitch about how it's because they don't get paid. The rest of us will deal with it as a part of trying new things (innovating, if you will) is making mistakes and fixing them, and anyone who runs out and installs the latest patch the second it's posted is asking for trouble. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Since You are at war with afganistan, can you attack canada too? How about the UK? When you declare war against one nation, you are at war WITH THAT NATION, not all of them. I know you think that the US has the god given right to remove other peoples rights because you're so used to it happening at home, but the US has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to do things to other nations which it isn't at war with. If the US wants to declare war against the world, DO SO. Then we can come in and clean up your little monarchy(because you sure as hell aren't a democracy!). Otherwise, keep the efforts against the contries you are actually at war with, instead of playing the paranoia game with any goddamn country which you suspect being the enemy.
Secondly, on your comments on hitler, have you taken no classes in history? Are they all on how if you are righteous it's okay to kill someone without a trial if you're sure he's evil? Hitler would have been tried and found guilty, just like all the other monsters of WWII were if he hadn't committed suicide. You see, in free countries in the world, people are given a fair trial before they are excecuted for crimes against humanity. I know it's hard to fathom, being American, but not all people who are accused of such crimes are guilty.
If your goddamn "crusade" ends up waging war against a country like that for no apparant reason, then the USA is a nation run by evil international terrorists. Don't be suprised if "terrorism" on your own shores starts happening if you just start drawing names from a hat on which "evil terrorist" nation you will attack next. I know that if you were to attack *my* country(admittedly, not somalia) without provokation like you suggest the US is planning, I'd be fighting mad, and a little bit of "counterterrorist terrorism" would be a likely outcome, and I think that most nations on earth would join us, including many nations which have pledged to support the US.
Shit...
:)
I am a hedge...carry on. (well it worked before!)
I'm never posting anonymously again. Too dangerous.
The point of my message(s) remains.
Think of it like this; when you are surrounded by people who agree with you, people who oppose you are evil, and they likely consider *you* evil.
But WE'RE the good guys!
posting anonymously because at this point, I've posted this exact same message twice....It applies to both. There's also the people who can't understand irony and sarcasm.
You have to remember that we are on morally superior ground,
...So are they.
There's no such thing as political suicide through incompotence in the US. As long as you can spin it as being good, no matter how unbelievable the explaination, you'll have the sheep believing you, and the minority who understands the world will be told that "they are in bed with the terrorists".
"sure, we nuked the entire middle east, but we're airlifting supplies to the mutated survivors! It's their fault for resisting our invasion in the first place! We've made our point that terrorism will not be tollerated."
too far from what would happen? Likely not. I have no respect for the US government, or the American people, who allow themselves to be manipulated.
Browse at -1.
I wish that they would show messages modded beneath your threshhold if there are messages at your threshhold attached to it, or just don't show any of the messages in the thread. It just serves to confuse.
Does that mean that the US are now "hacker terrorists" for causing a crime of mass disruption?
BOMBS AWAY!
"freedom for all....but only the freedoms I allow" is pretty wierd. I know this guy is supposedly some sort of big guy in the linux scene (which I am not a part of -- I use the software because it's better, not so I have my own personal madman spouting stuff about what I should be able to do with code I write.)
I'm all for open source(most of my projects fall under it using a license I wrote(there's so little to protect, I don't need lawyers for that!)), but lets have it on terms the developer actually wants, rather than a "one license for all" which is really kind of scary.
glad you were missing the point of my post that was that PC games do exist which run under 4 megs.
Quake and Quake II are 2.5d? 320x200? MIDI soundtrack? Sure it's no full fledged RPG with a dynamic world, but nobody asked it to be. People just played one of the RPGs for PC (a lot of which just plain rock -- Daggerfall is still one of the most flexibal (but definitely the ugliest) RPGs out there.)
Just shut up before you hurt yourself.
on average, perhaps console games use less memory?
:))), memory restraints make me use the memory I have better. For instance, I use boolean arrays to store fonts instead of integers, which lowers memory useage by a factor of 8. I sometimes think that a few weeks coding on pentium systems would help developers understand the need for optimization of memory use and processor use.
Defintely, they are designed that way. I'd love to see better designed PC games which follow that "we have two megs of memory to work with" philosophy which bring console systems to their limits, and it really makes me cringe when I hear about games with such horrible memory requirements (couldn't some of that 512 megs of RAM that some games ask for be left on the hard drive?).
As a developer who is currently working in real mode (mostly to learn the ins and outs of interfacing directly with hardware(hardware programming is beautiful.
I have to admit, I found the last piece of X-Box news interesting (It's not just like a PC, it IS a PC! Microsoft just ended up breaking compatibility on purpose -- WTF?), this whole article is really redundant. The Xbox vs/ PS/2 was interesting enough(ok, I didn't get to read the article -- my DNS service is shitty and slow at best -- non exsitant at worst...)
Since the
Since almost all the components in the X-Box are just modified PC components, a modern PC(with the benefit of a few months of tech, not to mention better hardware specs in areas the Xbox can't touch like monitors, optical mice, guaranteed internet acces and most imporantly, expandability, which is hindered on the Xbox by Microsofts conveniently broken USB implementation)
On another thought,
Isn't AGP close to UMA in it's goal? I mean, AGP allows for high speed writes to the video memory... Wasn't that the point of UMA as well?
Man.........
Get a life.
Expressing your own opinion is a part of being free, which he did when he expressed to his cousin, who in turn decided not to take it.
I'd say a vote for the X-Box is a vote for stomping out freedom of choice. Sony, Nintendo and Sega generally compete against each other, which results in a very healthy air of competiton. I know it hurts to admit it, but when Microsoft monopolizes an industry(and judging from a poll I did, it looks like they might actually succeed...), you *aren't* actually better off than when you started! I know Microsofts Freedom to Innovate may be at stake when they aren't allowed to monopolize an industry, but that's the way a non communist society is! Deal with it!
Leave that poor obsessive compulsive man alone with his spelling tests. :)
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:)
Joke! Yes! Joke! Not serious!
You'd be suprised how many people need the disclaimer to laugh at the joke
If you remember the Zelda game for the Nintendo 64, it would run on only 4 MB of RAM. I would like to see PC games do that ^_^
Speaking soley as a person who has been playing games for longer than 6 months(aparantly, you haven't...), Almost any game for DOS will run on 4 megs, and a large variety of games for windows will too. There are some exceptions under dos (many of those are DPMI apps and can be told to swap to disk, which oddly enough ends up just as quick as an 8 meg machine), but Quake, Duke 3d, Descent, TV, doom(and mor importantly, doom legacy), tomb raider, and hundreds of others are all fully capable of running under 4 megs. Games so sloppy they require 128/256/512 megs of ram (like duke4ever) are a relatively new phenomena.
They don't take a stand on other issues we might be interested in, but it's still worth thinking about.
I consider anybody being screwed by the company they work for to be something I'm interested in. Just because they aren't demanding that napster returns doesn't mean anything, and I consider all the people bitching about the way things are done there (artists, that is) to be evidence that the cartel which is the RIAA doesn't work for the good of the artists (the only people in the whold forsaken industry who deserve to be paid for their work).
If the artists are against the RIAA, then whom exactly does the RIAA represent?
Why, the bastards who run the record comanies. I thought everybody knew by now that the record industry is structured to leech as much money from the artists as possible. Why else would so many busty blondes with no discernable talent have recording contracts?
Basically, the industry is owned by people who only understand profit, not beauty, or art, or the power of music.
The slashdot moderation system is getting out of hand. I've had decent posts modded to troll or flamebait for no apparant reason. I think maybe some moderators are just too sensitive or something.
If you cannot or do not want afford something better, fine, yet that is not a SCSI problem.
Actually, it IS a SCSI problem. That's one of the biggest problems! Until the price becomes tollerable, nobody who wants to eat will be able to afford a decent amount of space.
he's talking a catch 22 of sorts -- What he's trying to say is that IDE is worse than SCSI. The phrasing of the post makes it seem like he's saying something greater, but it's the equivilant to saying "it's the worst possible drive standard out of the two in widespread use -- except for all the ones which I'm not thinking of".
On another note, I have a strange feeling that most SCSI enthusiasts don't pay for their own systems or something... The drive prices are horrendous!
I'll just try sticking it in another computer for now -- All I want off of it is my OS/2 stuff...
I'm using 3 drives on that motherboard now...it may be though, since the drive worked days ago...