People have scruples but corporations do not. As technology progresses, things are supposed to get cheaper because of automation but corporations don't spread the wealth, they keep everything for themselves in a very selfish manner. Their only goal is to maximize profits and they will rip us off every chance they get. Corporations have no interest in sharing their wealth whatsoever that is why we have this kind of problem. A song shouldn't cost more than a few pennies to download but we're being charged 50 times that, for what? They're not charging a fair price. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Wow, thanks so much for all the effort that you put into this. I subscribed to the bug and looking forward to see the cause. I might do another screencast because the one that I did was quick and dirty and turned out awful.
Here's the unedited screencast. I had a small problem with the Compiz and xvidcap but everything that you requested is there. You should be able to reproduce.
Ok, so I've disabled all plugins and addons and restarted the browser. I sat and waited a couple of minutes before clicking on anything and until the memory usage stabilized and it did at around 615MB. As soon as I started to write this message, the memory usage started to climb. It's now at 695MB since I started writing this. As I type, the memory goes up, almost as if each keystroke is making it go up, it's now 737MB! Remember, no plugins and no addons. I'll stop typing now to see what happens. 750MB. (1 minute passes without any typing) still 750 MB. Ok, I'll start tying now and sure enough 774MB! I have to stop typing, lol. This is really weird. I just did some editing and it's now 880MB. I wish you could see this. Maybe I should do a screencast because it's really that unbelievable and I really need to show that the addons and plugins have been disabled and the browser was restarted. Oh, I just switched tabs to double check that my addons and plugins were disabled and when I switched back to Slashdot I noticed memory is now 664MB. I'm not sure if it happened while I was on the addons page or when I came back. Anyway, weird behaviour. It's climbing again now. I'll switch to see what happens. We'll I switched and nothing happened, it's at 750MB now so that must have just been a coincidence. So the next thing is to start closing tabs but I can't do that right now because I'm working on stuff but I will try later. So, when I started typing this message, memory was at 615MB and now it's at 813MB.
I'm running Firefox 4.0.1 on Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64, Linux 2.6.38.4, AMD Phenom 1090T, 8GB RAM.
Ok, well, memory is now down to 621MB. It did that when I stopped typing and I was reading what I wrote, another coincidence maybe.
Thanks for your help and I appreciate everything that you do. The browser is fantastic otherwise and if this memory/performance issue can be resolved, I would be very grateful. I'm really looking forward to the new separate process model, it will greatly simplify memory leak troubleshooting. It's the feature that I'm most looking forward to.
I can turn off AdBlock but not Firebug, I'm in it all day and need it for development. It would be ironic to see a tool like Firebug be the cause of this problem. Firebug is also only running in a single tab, the app that I'm working on and that's it. So I'll play around with the addons but isn't there a way to see how much memory each addon is using instead going through a trial and error routine?
I just closed my browser and restarted it with the same 34 tabs and memory usage went down to 384 MB from 1.3 GB. By the time I finished writing this first part, which is the only thing that I've done other than visit http://support.mozilla.com/nl/questions/799397#answer-159664, and memory usage now sits at around 812MB. I did no development, did not use Firebug and didn't visit a page that has any ads except for this one. Now it's at 932MB and then all of a sudden drops back down to 731MB. The only thing that I'm doing is typing in this comment box on Slashdot. It's slowly climbing again and it's now at 981MB. It's climbing at a rate of about 2MB per second and then will drop about 200MB and then start climbing again. Like I said, I'm not browsing at all - just typing in this box while these memory fluctuations are happening.
Interesting... I thought this was normal. 7-800 MB would be nice. I usually close it down when it hits 1.6 to 1.7 GB. I'm almost there now as you can see -> http://i.imgur.com/WRCRG.png. It gets very sluggish even on my new 64bit hexacore system, 8 Gig RAM, SSD. It could be a plugin or addon but I'm not running anything too crazy. How can I determine if it is an addon or a plugin? I'd be glad to provide all the profiling information that you need. Here are the addons that I'm running http://i.imgur.com/ieyFD.png, and the plugins http://i.imgur.com/ZT9EV.png. Do you see anything out of the ordinary? Maybe this will help -> http://i.imgur.com/qliRW.png. I have an abnormally high number of tabs open as I write this message, 34. I normally have about a dozen open and still the memory usage will grow to almost 2 GB before it get so slow that I can't stand it anymore and close it down. I find myself using Google Chrome more and more because it doesn't suffer from this problem. Firefox is still my favourite browser but this speed problem is making it difficult to use and as a web app developer, I can't have my browser hold me up like this. I really hope that this can be fixed.
I just sold mine because I couldn't install XBMC on it. They (Boxee) made it seem like the new D-Link Box was going to be hacker friendly and it's far from it.
Mr. Altman says he sees two types of customers for the new computer.
“There are a lot of really young computer users who want to own a retro-looking computer,” he said. ”And of course there are those 30- to 40-year-olds who owned the original Commodore 64 and want the nostalgia of their first machine.”
IE 9 is still crap. I can't run it on my Linux, OS X or even XP box!
MS claims that it's standards compliant. Well, it might be better than IE 8 but it's no where near the competition. Checkout the summary of at the bottom of this page: http://caniuse.com/
"Compatibility tables for support of HTML5, CSS3, SVG and more in desktop and mobile browsers"
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Internet _at home_ implied.
People have scruples but corporations do not. As technology progresses, things are supposed to get cheaper because of automation but corporations don't spread the wealth, they keep everything for themselves in a very selfish manner. Their only goal is to maximize profits and they will rip us off every chance they get. Corporations have no interest in sharing their wealth whatsoever that is why we have this kind of problem. A song shouldn't cost more than a few pennies to download but we're being charged 50 times that, for what? They're not charging a fair price. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If you downloaded a song using BitTorrent, then you have uploaded at least part of it. Does that count?
Ubiquity
Wow, thanks so much for all the effort that you put into this. I subscribed to the bug and looking forward to see the cause. I might do another screencast because the one that I did was quick and dirty and turned out awful.
Here's the unedited screencast. I had a small problem with the Compiz and xvidcap but everything that you requested is there. You should be able to reproduce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64pX97-THXc
Thanks,
Ok, so I've disabled all plugins and addons and restarted the browser. I sat and waited a couple of minutes before clicking on anything and until the memory usage stabilized and it did at around 615MB. As soon as I started to write this message, the memory usage started to climb. It's now at 695MB since I started writing this. As I type, the memory goes up, almost as if each keystroke is making it go up, it's now 737MB! Remember, no plugins and no addons. I'll stop typing now to see what happens. 750MB. (1 minute passes without any typing) still 750 MB. Ok, I'll start tying now and sure enough 774MB! I have to stop typing, lol. This is really weird. I just did some editing and it's now 880MB. I wish you could see this. Maybe I should do a screencast because it's really that unbelievable and I really need to show that the addons and plugins have been disabled and the browser was restarted. Oh, I just switched tabs to double check that my addons and plugins were disabled and when I switched back to Slashdot I noticed memory is now 664MB. I'm not sure if it happened while I was on the addons page or when I came back. Anyway, weird behaviour. It's climbing again now. I'll switch to see what happens. We'll I switched and nothing happened, it's at 750MB now so that must have just been a coincidence. So the next thing is to start closing tabs but I can't do that right now because I'm working on stuff but I will try later. So, when I started typing this message, memory was at 615MB and now it's at 813MB.
I'm running Firefox 4.0.1 on Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64, Linux 2.6.38.4, AMD Phenom 1090T, 8GB RAM.
Ok, well, memory is now down to 621MB. It did that when I stopped typing and I was reading what I wrote, another coincidence maybe.
Thanks for your help and I appreciate everything that you do. The browser is fantastic otherwise and if this memory/performance issue can be resolved, I would be very grateful. I'm really looking forward to the new separate process model, it will greatly simplify memory leak troubleshooting. It's the feature that I'm most looking forward to.
I can turn off AdBlock but not Firebug, I'm in it all day and need it for development. It would be ironic to see a tool like Firebug be the cause of this problem. Firebug is also only running in a single tab, the app that I'm working on and that's it. So I'll play around with the addons but isn't there a way to see how much memory each addon is using instead going through a trial and error routine?
I just closed my browser and restarted it with the same 34 tabs and memory usage went down to 384 MB from 1.3 GB. By the time I finished writing this first part, which is the only thing that I've done other than visit http://support.mozilla.com/nl/questions/799397#answer-159664, and memory usage now sits at around 812MB. I did no development, did not use Firebug and didn't visit a page that has any ads except for this one. Now it's at 932MB and then all of a sudden drops back down to 731MB. The only thing that I'm doing is typing in this comment box on Slashdot. It's slowly climbing again and it's now at 981MB. It's climbing at a rate of about 2MB per second and then will drop about 200MB and then start climbing again. Like I said, I'm not browsing at all - just typing in this box while these memory fluctuations are happening.
Interesting... I thought this was normal. 7-800 MB would be nice. I usually close it down when it hits 1.6 to 1.7 GB. I'm almost there now as you can see -> http://i.imgur.com/WRCRG.png. It gets very sluggish even on my new 64bit hexacore system, 8 Gig RAM, SSD. It could be a plugin or addon but I'm not running anything too crazy. How can I determine if it is an addon or a plugin? I'd be glad to provide all the profiling information that you need. Here are the addons that I'm running http://i.imgur.com/ieyFD.png, and the plugins http://i.imgur.com/ZT9EV.png. Do you see anything out of the ordinary? Maybe this will help -> http://i.imgur.com/qliRW.png. I have an abnormally high number of tabs open as I write this message, 34. I normally have about a dozen open and still the memory usage will grow to almost 2 GB before it get so slow that I can't stand it anymore and close it down. I find myself using Google Chrome more and more because it doesn't suffer from this problem. Firefox is still my favourite browser but this speed problem is making it difficult to use and as a web app developer, I can't have my browser hold me up like this. I really hope that this can be fixed.
Thanks for the link, I've been looking for something like this.
I just sold mine because I couldn't install XBMC on it. They (Boxee) made it seem like the new D-Link Box was going to be hacker friendly and it's far from it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhypK3egeQ
From the article.
I for one welcome our new C64 overlords.
Where on W3C can I find the compatibility tests that show the various browser support levels?
IE 9 is still crap. I can't run it on my Linux, OS X or even XP box!
MS claims that it's standards compliant. Well, it might be better than IE 8 but it's no where near the competition. Checkout the summary of at the bottom of this page: http://caniuse.com/
"Compatibility tables for support of HTML5, CSS3, SVG and more in desktop and mobile browsers"
IE 9.0: 62%
Firefox 4.0: 87%
Safari 5.0: 79%
Chrome 10.0: 92%
Opera 11.1: 77%
Your oil propelled vehicles are not sustainable.
You don't *need* anything but it would be nice to get full use of the hardware you already own.
Unless you love it and have fun doing it, it's a bad idea. Don't take life so seriously.
I hope XBMC will be ported to it now.
Webkit is FOSS... Catching up with who? IE9? IE9 hasn't been released yet and don't get me going about IE6/7/8. Are you talking about Opera?
Here's what the Nissan Leaf sounds like: http://nissan-leaf.net/2010/06/11/nissan-leaf-sound-revealed/
I'm in the camp that believes climate change is occurring but I'm not sure whether it is anthropogenic, the evidence is not convincing.
Has anyone done any benchmarking? Is it hardware accelerated (video, vector etc) on Linux?
The argument is not whether any egg came before the chicken, it's whether the chicken egg was produced before the chicken.
We're talking about chicken eggs.
Interesting... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate