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Toyota Adds External Speakers To Warn Pedestrians

HockeyPuck writes "When I was a kid, playing with my matchbox cars, I used to say 'VROOOM VROOOM' to pretend my toy cars had big engines in them. Well it seems that Toyota has decided to do the same thing with the Prius by optionally installing, in Japan, external speakers to alert pedestrians of oncoming Priuses."

531 comments

  1. Only Priuses? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1, Funny

    So... You're admitting to it, right?

    1. Re:Only Priuses? by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. They are admitting to the fact they are fitting optional speakers to the Prius.

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    2. Re:Only Priuses? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linked article says Nissan is planning to add it to the Leaf, too. So I'm afraid I don't understand your point.

      (Also, a lot of hybrids never move without the engine running, so it's less of an issue with, say, the Civic.)

    3. Re:Only Priuses? by h00manist · · Score: 4, Funny

      And do they go VROOM VROOM? That sound that legacy engines used to make, sort of like a SteamPunk car sound effect? I wonder if you can install a tailpipe and make real smoke, and get a radiator full of hot water and stuff. These electric engines are just so boring, they make no noises with water steam smoke etc like cars used to.

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    4. Re:Only Priuses? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Kinda makes me feel good..

      One thing I'm certainly gonna miss...a well tuned exhaust note of a healthy engine!!

      Nothing like the rumble of a Corvette, or my old 911 Turbo with the Borla exhaust....made sitting in traffic idling fun!!

      I won't even get into how little fun an electric motorcycle would be.....*sigh*

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    5. Re:Only Priuses? by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

      maybe it is just me, but wouldn't it be easier to just teach drivers to watch the hell out for pedestrians?

      oh right, my bad, in this world no one can be bothered to look out for themselves or anyone else... we need to pay $150 for an extra to make our nice, quiet car contribute to the already horrific noise polution.

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    6. Re:Only Priuses? by Darkinspiration · · Score: 1

      Please don't forget the blind that trained themselve to listen to car engin to determine if it's safe to cross. Also i like being able to ear incoming cars it help me to position my self when cycling.

    7. Re:Only Priuses? by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's more of a Woo Woo.

    8. Re:Only Priuses? by Tri0de · · Score: 1

      maybe it is just me, but wouldn't it be easier to just teach drivers to watch the hell out for pedestrians?

      oh right, my bad, in this world no one can be bothered to look out for themselves or anyone else... we need to pay $150 for an extra to make our nice, quiet car contribute to the already horrific noise polution.

      Seems to me it's the pedestrians that should be looking out for the cars, not the opther way around. Any idiot crossing a street without looking is a drag on the gene poole anyway (obviously not counting blind folks)

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    9. Re:Only Priuses? by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      I dunno man, if a hi performance bike sounds anything like the Killacycle, it might actually be kinda cool. ;)

    10. Re:Only Priuses? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      You and your fancy 6 cylinders, 12 volt electric, and a TURBO.

      My 356 with Bursch exhaust probably sounds nicer, and I can cruise with 6 windows open! Lets see you do that in your fancy Butzi designed car!

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    11. Re:Only Priuses? by AGMW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      maybe it is just me, but wouldn't it be easier to just teach drivers to watch the hell out for pedestrians?

      oh right, my bad, in this world no one can be bothered to look out for themselves or anyone else... we need to pay $150 for an extra to make our nice, quiet car contribute to the already horrific noise polution.

      The problem is that people (pedestrians) will simply step off the pavement without looking if they think it is safe to do so, and not hearing any danger may fool them into thinking there is no danger - it's not about drivers looking out for pedestrians, the hell or otherwise! They do it all the damn time, and just because it's not the driver's fault doesn't make the pedestrian any the less squashed!

      Now, that all said, I had a ride in an Electric MGF on Monday morning and I asked the owner this very question, "do you need to be extra careful about pedestrians" and he said he was careful but that modern cars are (or can be!) so quiet these days anyway that it's actually not so different an experience to driving a modern/new car.

      And FWIW the Electric MGF was awesome and I'd love one!

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    12. Re:Only Priuses? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "You and your fancy 6 cylinders, 12 volt electric, and a TURBO.

      My 356 with Bursch exhaust probably sounds nicer, and I can cruise with 6 windows open! Lets see you do that in your fancy Butzi designed car!"

      Well, the Vette had a nice healthy V8 in it....The Porsche had 6 VERY LARGE cylinders in it, which seemed pretty darned effective.

      And windows down during August in New Orleans, in the summer? No thanks...I need my engine/exhaust to sound good enough to hear with the windows up and the AC on full blast!!

      :)

      And yet...still be able to move when called upon.

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    13. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I want a obnoxiously loud, dirty, polluting, gas guzzling engine in my car. How else will I let everyone around me in traffic know I have a huge penis if they can't see, hear, and smell how absurd my choice of transportation is?

    14. Re:Only Priuses? by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      On some prototype electric car several decades ago, the engineers came up with a fantastic idea: selectable engine noise. Just a big speaker system under the hood. One of the choices was a 12 cyl Ferrari. The guy writing about it (in popular mechanics or something) said it was all too easy to forget the noise was fake, which made driving a faux-Ferrari pretty fun.

      I'm sure 20+ years later we could put 500 car sounds and tie it intimately with car speed and RPM. Sounds like a fun optional feature, even if it is a bit silly.

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    15. Re:Only Priuses? by azalin · · Score: 0, Troll

      A real engine is more felt than heard

    16. Re:Only Priuses? by tibit · · Score: 1

      The main problem I think is that sentencing judges or juries usually favor the pedestrians. If you kill a pedestrian, you can be guilty of involuntary manslaughter if there's enough doubt as to you maintaining full awareness of your surroundings. You may be in lots of trouble if there are witnesses, as they tend to be quite unreliable and may somehow indicate that you weren't paying attention. IOW, even if you did everything right and there was someone who stepped right under your wheels, with some luck you may still be guilty. A whisper-quiet car robs you of luck.

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    17. Re:Only Priuses? by PunditGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget mimicry. I want either Peter Weller (in a Robocop voice) or Patrick Warburton (in a Tick voice) to say "Step aside, citizen."

    18. Re:Only Priuses? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      I see a new market for ringtones here!

      I want to be able to create my own sound effects to upload into this sound system. A Jet one day, Shuttle launch the next, Maybe the enterprise entering warp during acceleration and Eves "Warp Drive Active" ...

      Then we can go for the original Star Trek.. Or star wars.. But you know someone is going to clip in Michael Jackson or AC/DC's big balls... Or really screw with people and use formula one clips...

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    19. Re:Only Priuses? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      VROOM VROOM? No. We're going back even further, and installing speakers on all motorized vehicles.

      The sound?

      Clippity-clop, Clippity-clop!

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    20. Re:Only Priuses? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Drivers are already supposedly trained to watch for pedestrians. This has not, however, eliminated accidents. Drivers won't always be alert or able to see potential threats in time. It's not a bad idea to make it a two-sided obligation, especially since pedestrians have the most to lose in a typical encounter.

    21. Re:Only Priuses? by srothroc · · Score: 1

      It says "in Japan." The thing is that, in Japan, the driver is always, irrevocably, 100% in the wrong for hitting a pedestrian; this may be one reason why Toyota is offering the option.

    22. Re:Only Priuses? by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

      So record the Corvette and play it on the Prius speakers.

      Of course the crowd reaction will be one of rolling in the street laughing their asses off. But at least they were warned.

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    23. Re:Only Priuses? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      I think they should go "Out of my way, plebes!" in a condescending voice.

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    24. Re:Only Priuses? by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      I want mine (no I don't own one) to sound like the TARDIS phasing in to/out of spacetime.

    25. Re:Only Priuses? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I'd hack mine to play the "meatspin" loop.

      You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby....

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    26. Re:Only Priuses? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Wow. That guy in the Raider's hat is a fucking idiot. His friend isn't much better.

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    27. Re:Only Priuses? by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      It's just for decoration, that's it and that's all.

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    28. Re:Only Priuses? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I think they should go "Out of my way, plebes!" in a condescending voice.

      No, it should say, "I've given up hot showers," because domestic hot water accounts for 40% of home energy use and home energy emissions dwarf automotive emissions.

      Oh, wait, no they haven't. But, uhm, because.. oh, hell I'm bad at this.

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    29. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure this Woo Woo would be better :-)

    30. Re:Only Priuses? by spazdor · · Score: 1

      I'm ridin' spinners.

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    31. Re:Only Priuses? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The blind have no problems hearing electric cars.
      They aren't deaf, like the rest of the retarded populace, and they don't have shitty white earbuds jammed into their ears 24/7, like the rest of the retarded populace.

      Electric cars driving down a street are not quiet.
      They are simply quieter than a regular car.

      It's not like trying to listen to a cat sneaking up behind you on a carpeted floor.

    32. Re:Only Priuses? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      If it says "I've given up showers" it'll at least match the hippie contingent of Prius owners.

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    33. Re:Only Priuses? by spazdor · · Score: 1

      It's weird that you'd consider it Darwinism when someone dies due to something like "foolishness", which arises from behavioural and mental factors far too complex to be genetically deterministic or inborn, but a disability like blindness, which in many cases is very simply congenital, isn't relevant to the gene pool.

      Seems kinda backward.

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    34. Re:Only Priuses? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2, Funny

      So record the Corvette and play it on the Prius speakers.

      Don't be silly. Users record things for the car to play? How do you know they'll pay the required royalties? If you want a Corvette cartone, then you can damn well pay $5 for it at the Toyota Store.

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    35. Re:Only Priuses? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not like trying to listen to a cat sneaking up behind you on a carpeted floor.

      Let it go, Calvin =)

    36. Re:Only Priuses? by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Does this mean the Darwin awards are a misnomer? There goes my whole belief system =(

    37. Re:Only Priuses? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      > It's not like trying to listen to a cat sneaking up behind you on a carpeted floor.

      You're quite right. Cats seldom cause gross physical damage when they hit you.

      I bicycle, and I wear glasses. If I don't hear the car (on a recently swept street right next to a freeway - lots of masking noises), I could well lose the audible cue that there's a car behind me. When I turn my head to look for traffic behind me (when making a left turn), most often I can only afford to turn enough to look out the corner of my eye, where my glasses don't reach. Odds are not long that I would miss seeing the fuzzy object coming up behind me.

      And as the driver of one such fuzzy object told me, "it doesn't matter how much you signal, nor how much right-of-way you had, if the car can not or does not react to it, you're still going to end up as a pancake." IE, don't put yourself in harms way. Which for me becomes harder if I can't ALSO hear the car approaching.

      And yes, as I get older, my hearing continues to suffer. It's called "aging". Get accustomed to the concept. You'll be one of us, soon.

    38. Re:Only Priuses? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      These electric engines are just so boring, they make no noises with water steam smoke etc like cars used to.

      Go do a deserted road with a small incline, park the car, and let the handbrake off. Better yet, do with someone else and watch and listen to the car as it glides along. Realise that when electric vehicles become truly efficient, streets will be filled with such silent floating bricks.

      The speakers are a good idea.

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    39. Re:Only Priuses? by jammindice · · Score: 1

      No i heard one go by today and it sounded like

      IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'mmmmmmmmmmmm gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

      Then i heard one at a stop light next to me going

      homohomohomohomohomohomohomohomohomohomohomo



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    40. Re:Only Priuses? by skids · · Score: 1

      Did they have a "The Jetsons" setting?

      I hope they measure outside sound levels and notch down the volume when it's quiet enough outside that the tires are plenty loud. I live near a road. This could get very annoying.

    41. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of the way, peck!

    42. Re:Only Priuses? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      They are, however, frighteningly silent at much lower speeds. As in a parking lot...

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    43. Re:Only Priuses? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, playing with my matchbox cars, I used to say 'VROOOM VROOOM'

      How about 'ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE.'

    44. Re:Only Priuses? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      I read an interview once with Shai Agassi about his Better Place project, and that's exactly what he plans to do, basically a ring tone shop for car sounds. IIRC he already has the rights to the trademark "drivesounds" or something similar. The interview was in a print mag though, and while there are lots of Shai Agassi interviews online, I can't find one where the sounds are mentioned.

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    45. Re:Only Priuses? by ksandom · · Score: 1

      I'd go a little further to say, here at least, tyres are the loudest part on the outside of the car when the car's moving. The only exceptions I can think of are if the car is traveling really slow, still, old or suped up. I think at traffic lights, the external speakers could have real value. I can't think of any other situation. Can anyone else?

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    46. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's simply not true. The European Blind Union has been trying to get the EU to create legislation on this exact issue. I myself have had to pull my (blind) girlfriend off the road as she tried to cross because one of those noiseless electric cars was approaching. If they are driving fast, the little sound they make is at too great a distance to hear and if they're driving slow they'll make even less sound as they move across the road making it even harder.

    47. Re:Only Priuses? by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is with relative loudness. There's a street full of old cars, and just one electric car; you're not going to hear the electric car.
      I don't know about the blind, but I personally rely on sound too; I only ever saw one electric car in my life (on the street), and I first noticed it because I perceived it as perfectly silent (and it was 2 m away, leaving) --- afterwards I realized it didn't have an exhaust pipe.
      If I were on a bike in a busy street, I doubt I'd hear an electric car coming up behind me.

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    48. Re:Only Priuses? by AGMW · · Score: 1

      ... A whisper-quiet car robs you of luck.

      It certainly doesn't help, but the Electric MGF chap suggests that modern cars are sufficiently quiet that the difference isn't as great as some may imagine.

      Case in point is my current car - a Golf 1.4 TSI. I picked a couple of mates up to go for lunch last January and one of my mates doesn't like wearing a seat belt so I just waited until he put it on. The other one (sitting in the front) said "well at least turn it on so we can warm up" and it was on!
      Driving it in town traffic it is near enough silent that people don't hear it and I don't think you can "not hear" an electric car more.

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    49. Re:Only Priuses? by CrashandDie · · Score: 1

      Most of the noise that you're going to hear is from the tyres rolling on the tarmac anyway. Having a noisier engine doesn't make much of a difference.

      The main difference is on a motorbike. I recently purchased a Honda CBF 125, as my full motorcycle licence was canceled a few years ago and I just moved countries. The stock exhaust and engine was so quiet that nobody would hear me: not cars, not even pedestrians. I modified the intake a bit (by removing a metal filter after the air filter that stops quite a lot of air going through) and blocking out the resonator, and now the bike makes more noise. It's not massive, but it just brings the kind of noise down to something people pay attention to.

      Truth is, pedestrians aren't the ones who need to be warned from oncoming traffic. They're supposed to be on the pavement, and look each side when crossing the street. Making cars "warn" them will just make them buy noise-cancelling headphones, or crank the volume up.

    50. Re:Only Priuses? by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      Why not just use v8 engine sound? THAT would be fun! Like driving a diarrhoea.

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    51. Re:Only Priuses? by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Putting a tiny mirror on the handlebar and/or helmet can help, you know...

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    52. Re:Only Priuses? by lxs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah! It'll be just like my camera phone going *click* and pretending to be a real camera.

      I wonder how many decades we will be stuck with pointless throwbacks like this.

    53. Re:Only Priuses? by Amarantine · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I was walking on a parking lot to my car. No earbuds or anything, and my ears are fine. Looked left, nothing. Looked right, nothing. Looked left, and there was a Prius that must have come from behind me and turned, 3 feet away from me, waiting for me to cross, and i did not hear or see it coming. Nothing happened, the driver saw me... But i did not hear it coming whatsoever. It kinda scared me to see a big black car 3ft away from me, where there was none a few seconds before.

    54. Re:Only Priuses? by borizz · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you ride a mountain bike or other bike that makes you lean forward. It's hard to look backwards on one of those. If you have a city bike (which you sit mostly straight up on), you'll be able to turn your head and body so you can view behind you easily, without swerving.

    55. Re:Only Priuses? by not+flu · · Score: 1

      As they bloody well should be - cars are dangerous, pedestrians are not. If you choose to drive one what happens should be YOUR responsibility.

    56. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also i like being able to ear incoming cars it help me to position my self when cycling.

      So do I, but I have learned to that while "car sound" implies "car", the converse is not true: "no car sound" does NOT imply "no car". If you value your health and physical integrity, I'd advise you to do the same.

      If you can't hear a car, ALWAYS assume that there is one there.

    57. Re:Only Priuses? by tibit · · Score: 1

      What you hear inside the car is quite different from what is heard outside.

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    58. Re:Only Priuses? by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

      1) buy a mirror.
      2) get bigger glasses
      3) learn what fuzzy shape is a car for your specific vision problem
      4) when in doubt, look twice, if the grey blob is gaining on you, odds are it is a car.

      I bike, I have glasses, I've NEVER had a probem telling what grey blob is a car, and what is not.

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    59. Re:Only Priuses? by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

      sorry, I should have mentioned.. where I live, pedestrians have the right of way, always. It is the drivers job to ensure that they have full control of their car and are able to stop.

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    60. Re:Only Priuses? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      If there's a street full of cars and you can't distinguish one from the other audibly, you'll be looking both ways. Potential Prius or not.

    61. Re:Only Priuses? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like you're:

      Too dumb to use a mirror.
      Too dumb to use a proper bike that allows you to comfortably turn around.
      Too old to bike in the city.

      Bicycles are not meant for the road.
      (This offends a lot of people. I take great delight in this.)

      Cars have mirrors for a reason.
      Motorcycles have mirrors for a reason.
      You need a license to drive either for a reason.
      Said vehicles need to conform to rigorous safety testing and must meet high standards (again, for a reason).

      Bicycles need to get the fuck off of the road. They're a hazard to themselves and others.
      If you want to be green / save money in a crowded urban center, ride a train or take a bus or walk. If you want to play / exercise, drive your bike to a location where it is safe to bike.
      If you want to be a pretentious, trendy asshole who makes the roads more dangerous for everyone, by all means ride bikes in the street, bitch at the city to create bike lanes where they are infeasible, ignore all traffic laws, and ride a fucking racing bike in the street - in full pointy helmet and colored condom suit.

    62. Re:Only Priuses? by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      For as long as we have upskirt/ downshirt perves out there.

    63. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, being the vehicle in front he does have the precedence over incoming traffic, you know...

      the problem lies within the drivers. traffic rules are very clear. bicycles have the same priority and occupy the same space in lane as a car. you are supposed to give them the precedence as car on crossroads and roundabouts. and pedestrians have the precedence always, until there is a jaywalking prohibited sign.

    64. Re:Only Priuses? by commodore64_love · · Score: 0, Troll

      >>>Kinda makes me feel good..

      I think it's stupid. If pedestrians are too stupid to LOOK before they cross a street (instead relying the car's engine as warning), then they deserve to get run over. It's just the same as Caveman Ugh not looking left-then-right-then-left prior to crossing a buffalo path, and then getting trampled. Eyes are in your head for a reason. LOOK for the quiet priuses and electric cars.

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    65. Re:Only Priuses? by danomac · · Score: 1

      Isn't it supposed to be a warning for pedestrians though? I'd record some horns honking and tire screeching for that. :)

    66. Re:Only Priuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question, what are seeing eye dogs trained against? No, seriously, I have no idea, so your point may still stand. But with the way you worded you post, it makes it sound like you consider a blind person getting hit by a car to simply be natural selection in action.

    67. Re:Only Priuses? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You're a dangerous biker then. You're a vehicle and it's your job to keep yourself safe and not endanger those around you. If you can't "afford" to properly shoulder check when changing lanes then you need to a) slow down b) plan further in advance c) get a mirror, d) get appropriate eyewear and/or e) whatever else you have to do. It should never be an issue when turning because you should not ever be turning across traffic coming at you from behind.

      The guy in the car can't hear other cars either. Or bikes. Does he get a pass when he slams into someone because he "couldn't afford" to shoulder check?

    68. Re:Only Priuses? by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Same here (same most places, I believe). And yet, when a pedestrian steps in the road 2 feet in front of a car going 25 miles an hour, well, physics is a bitch. Hard to say it's the driver's fault, he should have been able to stop, or predict that the person standing on the side of the road talking on their phone for the last 15 seconds is going to choose NOW to step out. Or even that some moron is going to sprint into the road against the light, trying to beat traffic moving at 35 mph. Happens in my local college town every couple of years or so, occasionally more frequently.

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    69. Re:Only Priuses? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      *plugs in solder iron*

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    70. Re:Only Priuses? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Those Japanees guys are screwd up, I mean WTH?

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    71. Re:Only Priuses? by xelah · · Score: 1

      And bicycles. People don't generally look for bicycles before crossing the road unless they live somewhere where there are a LOT of them. Not as dangerous, but still able to ruin your day.

    72. Re:Only Priuses? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      1) A number of other have suggested this. Yep, it's a solution. I might even buy one.

      2) Will. Not. Help. A bigger lens still won't wrap around my face, won't reduce the angle I need to turn my head by any appreciable angle.

      3) One does get fairly adept at recognizing fuzzy shapes as cars, since they tend to move relative to the background. As you mention in (4). It is the motion more than anything else visible that I note.

      It's not the gray blobs, usually. It's the tan blobs, or sometimes white blobs. And more, it's the blobs that move into that viewing angle after you've already turned your head back to face forwards. Things moving faster than you do that, on occasion. ... I suppose you could consider Silver to be gray (And technically, both White and Black count in a nerd fashion.)

    73. Re:Only Priuses? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      Planning further in advance would, I presume, mean "looking behind me sooner". That would be an error, though, in that it would mean it is more, not less, likely that I fail to see someone coming up in the lane beside me.

      I'm puzzled at your suggestion of slowing down. The only practical time a biker needs to "change lanes" is when preparing for a left-hand turn. If near the intersection, speeds should already be slow to the point where a bicycle is competitive with the autos. Slowing down would seem to make a collision more likely rather than less.

      Could you expand on that "appropriate eyewear" comment? Are you suggesting that I need to change to wearing contacts? (Given that that option is already available, the fact that I am not currently using contacts should tell you that making that change is unlikely for one reason or another.) Or did you have something else in mind? Are there actual "wrap around prescription glasses"?

    74. Re:Only Priuses? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      Nice troll, but you forgot one.

      "Maybe you're just too stiff-necked"

    75. Re:Only Priuses? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You said you don't have time to take a proper look for cars overtaking you. What's imposing the time limit? Are you stealing a glance back immediately before you turn? In that case, look behind you earlier to see if there are any cars. A car isn't going to instantly overtake you from around the last corner. If you need, take a good look, then another right before you turn to reassure yourself.

      No, a biker should be changing lanes, on a multi-lane road, in advance of turning. You are a vehicle. When it's safe to do so you can hang out on the right side and let cars pass you. When it's not safe to do so, such as when you're changing lanes or making turns, you need to take up the whole lane. Just like a car, if you need to turn left you need to change lanes from wherever you are (probably the rightmost lane) to the leftmost in advance of the turn. As you're turning you should be in the middle of the turning lane so nobody tries to zip by you (in which case it's much less important if there's anyone behind) and as you're turning or preparing to turn you can go as slowly as you want. Just like a car. Making them slow down makes a collision less likely than if you're just flying around the corner trying to stay out of their way.

      You mentioned that your glasses don't cover your field of view. You can certainly get glasses that cover essentially all of your useful field of view. If really can't shoulder check because of your glasses then you need to get glasses that cover a larger portion of your view. Same as if you were driving.

      Biking is the same as driving, except that you're probably going slower, which gives you more time to do things like shoulder checking. When necessary you have to take up your space and make the other vehicles on the road treat you as one of their own. Which also means you have to obey all the same rules, of course.

      If you're actually depending on sound to warn you that somebody is overtaking, you will get hurt, fake engine noise speakers or not.

  2. Horn? by ruiner13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't that what the horn is for?

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    1. Re:Horn? by santax · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No. Think about a (hehe) child (hell or even a Santax) playing between some cars. It is silent, I can hear nothing. I assume (since I know when I hear nothing there are no cars) I can safely cross the street. Only to Die by Prius. This really is one of the biggest disadvantages of these types of cars. You can't hear them, so your brain isn't in the alerted modus. If every car we have today would be silent you would see a great increase in traffic-deaths. So for me this worth applauding. Will safe some lives.

    2. Re:Horn? by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      What if they have a heart attack, die, don't land on the horn, and are speeding out of control in electric silence?

    3. Re:Horn? by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For most vehicles travelling at around 30km/h or more, unless the driver is standing on the gas pedal, most of the noise comes from the tires, not the engine.

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    4. Re:Horn? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you propose we introduce traffic laws that require cars to at all times be going above 30 km/h?

      You don't need much speed to kill a kid or dog, and it'll just feel like a small hump in the road when you start dragging the corpse under your car..

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    5. Re:Horn? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Right. Which is why the study linked into the article states that the major increase in accidents with pedestrians and hybrids occurs at very low speeds, especially backing up, parking, and pulling out into traffic.

      Read the study, it's good stuff. I admit, I was sort of dubious of the threat posed by quieter cars, but the study is reasonably convincing that at least at slow speeds, it's a problem.

    6. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point isn't to warn pedestrians that the driver knows about. The point is to warn pedestrians that the driver can't see -- for example, those walking out from between two parked cars.

      That said, the Prius is not THAT quiet, even when going slowly. It produces tire noise, and the electric motor is also clearly audible from outside the car.

    7. Re:Horn? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      No. Unless you routinely honk your horn while coming around blind corners (note: this is actually required by law in most states but nobody does it).

    8. Re:Horn? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what? From the age I was allowed to cross the street, I was told to LOOK both ways, never to just listen for a car. There are many things that move that don't make loud engine noises (bikers, runners, segways, animals) AND fast moving cars. If a car is moving fast enough, you won't hear is coming [till it is too late], especially in a traffic filled area, there are always car sounds. you _ have _ to _ look.

      If you consider the quiet of the prius to be a disadvantage, then roll down the window and just scream the whole time.

      The only reason this would be useful for is blind people. The only [legally] blind person I've even known, only walked in neighborhoods (where cars should be going slow enough to yield to any pedestrian) and cross walks (that have an auditory signal). No where is car sound reliable enough to be a decision making factor.

    9. Re:Horn? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then they won't mind the dent you leave in the hood.

    10. Re:Horn? by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What if they have a heart attack, die, don't land on the horn, and are speeding out of control in electric silence?

      Assuming they push the pedal to the floor during the heart attack and rigor mortis kicks in immediately, the gas engine would kick in and produce noise. Otherwise, their leg muscles would relax once they die making it near impossible for them to push the gas pedal.

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    11. Re:Horn? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      They put low rolling resistance tires on a lot of hybrids to pad the MPG numbers. It totally compromises the handling and safety of the car but all they care about is the MPG they get to advertise. Those tires make almost no noise at all.

    12. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This made me laugh :(.

    13. Re:Horn? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, this is a non-stop sound. You wouldn't want to lay on your horn all the time. This safety feature also sounds a lot nicer than regular road noise. Toyota has already released a sample of the sound it will play.

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    14. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in all honesty the horn on economy cars usually inspires laughs due to its pathetically weak sound. You would be better off piping an effeminate man's lisping voice out of the optional external speakers.

    15. Re:Horn? by MouseR · · Score: 1

      I was nearly taken out by an effin hybrid car once (a Ford Escape) running under battery. There's no way to hear those coming in a city noise background.

      For context, I was walking in an underground parkway, turning a corner on my way to the elevator shaft.

    16. Re:Horn? by Jawnn · · Score: 1, Insightful

      what? From the age I was allowed to cross the street, I was told to LOOK both ways, never to just listen for a car...

      Right...
      And no one is ever distracted, or lazy, or maybe even just blinded by glare, so they should just take their lumps and shut up about it. Or put another way, even though we could prevent innumerable accidental injuries and deaths by adding an aural warning, we should not do that just because stupid or inattentive people don't deserve it. Have I got that right?

    17. Re:Horn? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      You know, I had those tires in my Civic. I had little handling issues with them in Colorado and they certainly made a fair amount of noise on the road. The only reason I didn't replace them with another set when they wore down was basically cost. I haven't noticed any difference in the handling in rotten conditions (admittedly, I've also moved to a snowier place), to be honest.

      Certainly, the average experience may differ. Do you have any studies that show that said tires result in a statistically significant increase in accidents?

    18. Re:Horn? by knarf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If every car we have today would be silent you would see a great increase in traffic-deaths.

      No, if every car on the road was as silent as electric cars are people would not learn to rely on their hearing to check for the presence of cars. They would look for them instead, just like you're supposed to do now but often ignore 'because you don't hear any cars coming'.

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    19. Re:Horn? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      All I get is: "Dieses Video ist nicht verfügbar." (This video is not available) - So I conclude the sound will not be available?

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    20. Re:Horn? by omi5cron · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      exactly!! i am all for evolution taking place. doesn't matter how old, or even what species. either learn to ALWAYS be cautious, or remove yourself from the gene pool. of course, if all vehicles eventually become super-quiet, i assume that all creatures become vigilant or roadkill!! maybe that would make some Blackberry-texting freak think twice about doing so while crossing roadways. also, please be aware of the cynical-sarcastic frame of mind i am in at present!!

    21. Re:Horn? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      You would be better off piping an effeminate man's lisping voice out of the optional external speakers.

      You mean, a man's voice reading Lisp programs aloud?

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    22. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Listen to a sample of Barney Frank's speech for an example of what I mean.

    23. Re:Horn? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Horn requires the driver to see the pedestrian, and react. The motor sound runs continuously.

    24. Re:Horn? by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      A newer model will have actual stealth capabilities. Silent running, dodging from obstacle to obstacle to stay hidden from site, adaptive camouflage. Last minute burst of acceleration with spikes on the front grill. Look out pedestrians!
       

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    25. Re:Horn? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those tires make almost no noise at all.

      Do they make these tires in a wife-sized model?

    26. Re:Horn? by santax · · Score: 1

      Yes... you were told. Just like I teach my kids. Now if only didn't find the ball they are playing with way more interesting...

    27. Re:Horn? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      You hear that loud "Whooooosh" sound? No, that wasn't a Prius.

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    28. Re:Horn? by santax · · Score: 1

      You are assuming a 100% concentration rate 100% of the time. And that is a very wrong assumption.

    29. Re:Horn? by yurtinus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, read the study. I am even more dubious of the threat posed by quieter cars. The sample size of hybrid accidents with cyclists and pedestrians is 125. 125 incidents for HEVs versus 5440 similar incidents in ICE vehicles. The study controls are also *very* dubious. For ICE cars they analyze the Camry, Corolla, Civic, and Accord. For HEVs they compare with the Camry Corolla, Civic, Accord, *and* Prius - a car with a fairly novel design and different viewability than you find in the more "standard" sedans. I'd be very curious to see how the number line up without including the Prius, but seriously doubt there will be enough data to prove anything conclusive.

      So yes, I am extremely dubious about the threat of "quiet cars," thinking it is often being used as an excuse in place of an actual cause (say... driver or pedestrian inattention?). Sure, some tech-gadgets really do save lives, but too many new "safety and convenience features" on cars simply encourage lazy drivers.

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    30. Re:Horn? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      You know nothing of safety. Engineering safety controls are more robust than policies (like look both ways). But better still are when multiple controls are used. Redundancy is good. It's easy to think up scenarios where just looking both ways will fail.

    31. Re:Horn? by mea37 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Lovely series of rationalizations. There are a few problems.

      (1) The visually impaired are not the only affected population. Just because we teach people to look doesn't mean they always do. Just because failing to look already carries some risk doesn't make it ok to add more risk to that situation. Even if you do look, visibility is not always on your side.

      (2) Just because your sample of one visually impaired person was happy to limit where he walked doesn't mean we all do. Many major streets have sidewalks and crosswalks; the visually impaired have just as much expectation of safety on those streets as you (presuming they've had proper low-vision mobility training).

      (3) Just because people should drive carefully and attentively in neighborhoods does not mean they do. Distracted drivers flying around a corner at a 4-way stop are a big enough threat to the pedestrian in the crosswalk when their cars can be heard.

      (4) Car sound may not tyipcally be reliable enough to be a decision-making factor, but it is often the only warning a pedestrian gets that he or she has made the wrong decision and needs to adjust immediately.

      (5) Car sound often is a decision-making factor, because all other (reliable) decision-making factors say "I can go" but then the screaming engine of someone doing something stupid alerts me that maybe I'd better wait a minute.

      Sorry you don't like it, but silent cars are a bad idea and frankly should be banned from the road. And before you ask, no the same does not apply to bicycles because they are not nearly as dangerous as cars.

    32. Re:Horn? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      The horn is for uncommon events where you need to get someone's attention. Just to make the point, if you had an invisible car that had a horn, the horn wouldn't be enough to alert people to its presence. Less extremely, if you had a car that made absolutely no noise, a horn also wouldn't be enough. Sound is omnidirectional; sight isn't.

    33. Re:Horn? by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      And for deaf old people (or even young people), or folks listening to music on their headphones... how does this help? All the value seems to be in the vein of "there will be fewer accidents due to people not paying attention when they should be". I understand that this is really about keeping children from being backed into in their driveways, but why not just add the infernal "beep, beep, beep" you hear when commercial vehicles are backing up?

    34. Re:Horn? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is that the horn is just so obnoxious that honking around a blind corner will make any area near a blind corner uninhabitable.

    35. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I'm aware there was an attempt at a joke in there. It just wasn't funny. It would have been funny, but attempting to create a pun out of the word "lisp" fails here because reading LISP aloud is not called "Lisping."

    36. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your wife's talking annoys you so much why did you marry her? Did her father hold a gun to your head? Also, divorce is legal in most countries; you should look into it.

    37. Re:Horn? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the study isn't a be-all and end-all, to be sure. (The sample size did bother me, but on the other hand, they seem to be accounting for it in how they phrase their confidence intervals, so that's legitimate anyway.) But it's a lot more than speculation I had seen prior, which is definitely something.

    38. Re:Horn? by azalin · · Score: 1

      Aren't there enough inflatible wife sized models (with optional sound) on the market already?

    39. Re:Horn? by gtbritishskull · · Score: 1

      Most hybrids and electric cars already have the "beep" for reverse.

    40. Re:Horn? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      what? From the age I was allowed to cross the street, I was told to LOOK both ways

      Look both way? Muhahaha! Jeez, old-timer. Get yerself up-to-date. Today's crossing lesson goes like... "OK <insert child's name>, step to the edge of the curb; hold your i'Phone' loosely in your hand; start tweeting that you're about to cross the road then, without looking, step forwards boldly."

    41. Re:Horn? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Actually I'd love bicycles to have a required minimum noise level (not speakers, but at least some noise). To often I've been surprised by a practically silent bike coming from behind me and, from my perception, suddenly appearing close to my side. Yes, bicyclists are supposed to use the bell, and they are also supposed to keep a reasonable minimum safety distance. However, reality is all too often different.

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    42. Re:Horn? by santax · · Score: 1

      Well because the beep is to let you know that if you are behind that vehicle there is a good chance you are in the blind spot of the driver. For the rest, sure for deaf people this won't help. For the other 93% of humans it however does.

    43. Re:Horn? by PNutts · · Score: 2, Funny

      Last minute burst of acceleration...

      They (Toyota) already have that covered.

    44. Re:Horn? by yurtinus · · Score: 2, Informative

      The sample size hurts, but the biggest problem to me is the cars they include - there is no ICE corollary for the Prius. It *should* be the largest contributor to those statistics, but you can't isolate if the accidents are due to sound (or some other factor related to the HEV), or something else specific to the Prius (visibility, etc).

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    45. Re:Horn? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      what? From the age I was allowed to cross the street, I was told to LOOK both ways, never to just listen for a car...

      Right...
      And no one is ever distracted, or lazy, or maybe even just blinded by glare, so they should just take their lumps and shut up about it. Or put another way, even though we could prevent innumerable accidental injuries and deaths by adding an aural warning, we should not do that just because stupid or inattentive people don't deserve it. Have I got that right?

      You missed the most common reason - using a bloody cellphone! Yes, it appears the cellphone is also very distracting to pedestrians, who blithely step onto the road while yakking away. Or just end up on the street while texting. All the more for legislation against cellphone use except in emergencies, it seems. The basic act of walking safely is also heavily compromised while on a cellphone. And people complain when they can't use the phone and maneuver a 2-ton vehicle safely. Probably because most of the incidents while walking result in minor injuries and embarassment rather than actual potential for death.

      Maybe Toyota should have a cell jammer in every Prius. Maybe then they'll actually look around. OTOH, maybe they'll just stare stupidly at the screen as their call drops.

    46. Re:Horn? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I usually take the view that you're espousing, but in this case I think I'm on the other side of the fence.

      My car has a pretty good silencer, so if I'm not accelerating basically all you can hear is the road noise. The Prius doesn't have a unique problem that needs a technological solution.

    47. Re:Horn? by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, interestingly that under 30 km/h, my fan and/or AC compressor is louder then the engine too. Those would still exist on electric cars too, you know.

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    48. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange ... my wife's spare tire doesn't make much noise at all.

      Her other components however ...

    49. Re:Horn? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Darwin at work.

      We repress it so much... it finds all kinds of interesting ways to sneak back in.

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    50. Re:Horn? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      The issue is that when people honk, they lay on it.

      There's nothing wrong with one or two sharp beeps. ... I think this could be solved by having a one-shot horn "button" that when pressed, will execute said sharp beep.

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    51. Re:Horn? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      The first fatal car crash in the UK involved a vehicle that was rate limited down from 8mpg to 4mph hitting a pedestrian. It doesn't take a whole lot of speed to make for a fatal accident.

    52. Re:Horn? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Sometimes there's glare and sometimes a person just doesn't see the vehicle for one reason for another. Attentional blindness is a bigger problem than most people realize it is and it can happen to anybody. Yes one ought to look both ways, but realistically, that's no excuse for not providing the reasonable complement of systems to alert people to the danger.

    53. Re:Horn? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      I hardly think an AC on Slashdot should be giving marital advice. Then again, I don't believe I should be responding to an AC troll. I'm caught between my ideals here, so I post!

    54. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't baseball cards in the spokes be cheaper? Airhorns work great when you sneak up on them in your silent hybrid.

    55. Re:Horn? by Gamma747 · · Score: 1

      But what is they have cruise control enabled? Clearly we should outlaw cruise control. Think of the children!

    56. Re:Horn? by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

      And the laughter. Don't forget the laughter.

    57. Re:Horn? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Probably true, but they're working with what statistics they have and it's also probably difficult to quantify and rigorously match "visibility". Or so I'd imagine.

    58. Re:Horn? by Tanman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/pinellas/pedestrian-fatally-hit-by-bike-rider-070510

      This was just the first link in google when I searched for "bicycle fatally hits pedestrian" -- I'm sure there are many more.

    59. Re:Horn? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about your town but everyone here is jogging or walking around with headphones or earbuds bolted to their head. Unless the plan is to make these cars sound like some POS ricer or a Harley, it won't make a difference.

      Drivers certainly don't help matters either. The morons here tend to read STOP as Hey, cruise through without turn signals at 10-15 MPH.

      So, yeah, it would be good if people weren't idiots who only focused on themselves but you can legislate or require commonsense. It's the same crap as when iPods started having settings to limit the volume.

      Maybe it's just me but I try to keep my eyes and ears open. If I'm walking along a road without sidewalks, I'm looking back every now and then. Not good visibility? I'm keeping a close eye at the corner obscured by parked van.

      What's next? Warnings on bags to not put them over your head and on buckets about not putting small children upside-down in them with water?

    60. Re:Horn? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      But what if they were going down a hill? We should outlaw acceleration by gravity!

    61. Re:Horn? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      No.

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    62. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's great that you're set in your way of thinking, but it is important to realize that the person responsible for what the car hits is... the person _driving_ the damn car, not the pedestrians. Increasing the noise produced by a car will have zero correlation with driver responsibility.

    63. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because we teach people to look doesn't mean they always do.

      Two words for you: natural selection.

    64. Re:Horn? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      But what if they are driving a self-accelerating car, such as some Toyota Priuses?

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    65. Re:Horn? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Horn requires the driver to see the pedestrian, and react.

      A very good point. The government needs to be apprised of this dangerous oversight immediately, so that they can mandate that the horn on all vehicles be set to 'honk' upon leaving the assembly line. Disabling the horn so that it stops honking for any reason should be punishable with a hefty fine and jail time.

      Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!?!?

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    66. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Sir or Madam,

      Your ideas intrigue me, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    67. Re:Horn? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Prius in 2010 looks an awful lot like a Focus form 2001.

      Oddly enough, the reverse is also true....

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    68. Re:Horn? by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

      Yes, you have that right. It's called natural selection.

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    69. Re:Horn? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      even though we could prevent innumerable accidental injuries and deaths by adding an aural warning, we should...

      I get this reasoning, but the rationale to get there I simply don't buy.

      I'm pretty sure you forgot the children, or cute animals or something here:

      ...distracted, or lazy, or maybe even just blinded by glare...

      These have to be the lamest reasons ever to ask a car maker to put a siren/bicycle bell/fake engine noises on it.

    70. Re:Horn? by robfromnyc · · Score: 1

      lovely points. I personally wish I got points like in GTA4 for hitting pedestrians in Manhattan. If 1 actually followed motor vehicle laws to the T in Manhattan you wouldn't be able to drive anywhere. It's technically against the law to drive through a crosswalk that has pedestrians in it. Most Manhattanites are texting, biking, walking without caring against the light.

    71. Re:Horn? by crispytwo · · Score: 1

      Funny - I don't have to imagine it.

      I was walking down the street yesterday and I heard the tires and bits of stuff being squashed and I looked up and it was a car... wait - it was an electric car going about 10 km/h

      It was not silent. There is no need for this blathering noise. If they were playing their radio, I would have heard that too.

      It will be fantastic not to have the enormously loud sound of engines all the time, let alone some insane other winy noise. If I get hit, it's not going to be because electric cars are more quiet than gas cars, it will be because someone is texting or talking on their iphone/clone.

      This is the stupid in stupid ideas.

    72. Re:Horn? by cEnTiBeE · · Score: 1

      Parents should be teaching their children to LOOK both ways before going out into the street. Think I learned that in the junior safety patrol.

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    73. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when you start dragging the corpse under your car..

      What the fuck, man?!?????!??

    74. Re:Horn? by Inconexo · · Score: 1

      You must be drank if you are not able to brake at less than 30km/h.

      I suppose the problem is that they make noise, but not enough. It's a pity this is needed, because a world in which cars don't sound would be calm. Maybe one day we learn to live in it.

    75. Re:Horn? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Where I live, it's generally considered poor form to drive around with your hand continuously pushing the horn button.

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    76. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes looking both ways, but just like car drivers who do not see a cyclist of a motor bike even tho they are in plain view. We've all seen the monkey in the middle of the group playing with the ball. Right?
      Same thing here. people dont just look they listen. It's the same with trams.
      If you're in any doubt try this. Put some ear plugs in and go for a walk to your local shop.

    77. Re:Horn? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What's next? Warnings on bags to not put them over your head

      Plastic bags already have this here in the UK.

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    78. Re:Horn? by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I used to live in a town, where people heavily use bikes. And not all of them have horns or bells mounted to their apparatus. So you definitely have to look.

      It would be nice have cars which are not that noisy. You might actually be able to sit in a street and talk. This would be a step in the right direction. For the mean time, these Piruses could generate a sound depending on the ambient noise level. So they are as loud as those gas driven cars when there is heavy traffic and they a silent when there are only bikes, pedestrians and other electric cars around.

      BTW: Many people run around nowadays with headphones in their ears so they can do phone calls or listen to music. For those persons, looking is the only option to identify dangerous targets.

      And another thing. If there are so many accidents between cars and pedestrians or bikes, then just give pedestrians and bikes the advantage in ouor towns. Cars are not very well suited for cities, so leave them out.

    79. Re:Horn? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      GP said that bikes were not nearly as dangerous as cars, not that they were 100% safe.

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    80. Re:Horn? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Yes... that's the sort of silliness I was poking fun at if you couldn't tell from the rest of the sentence.

    81. Re:Horn? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Those tires do suck but they're not much worse than the all-seasons most (lazy) people are driving around on in terms of grip.

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    82. Re:Horn? by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Gravity is a law I don't see them changing any time soon so I think we'll just have to accept some risk. ;)

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    83. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um...no? I have an electric car. You don't have some huge fan in it, mine has none, if you do have one it's not much bigger than a PC fan. AC is also optional and only used if you really need it as all power going to that means less miles you can drive.

    84. Re:Horn? by mea37 · · Score: 1

      "I don't know about your town but everyone here is jogging or walking around with headphones or earbuds bolted to their head. Unless the plan is to make these cars sound like some POS ricer or a Harley, it won't make a difference."

      Hmm... so in your mind "it won't help people who take unnecessary risks" is the same as "it won't make a difference". Ok. Well, the cycling communities pretty much everywhere are violently opposed to wearing headphones on a bike, so I don't doubt that you've seen people do it but I do doubt that "everyone" there does it. Still, you live there and I don't; so let's assume you're right. If you'd like to have cars specially made for towns as stupid as yours, with a license restriction that they can't drive elsewhere and they can't drive at all when intelligent outsiders are visiting, I won't object. If they want to drive where sensible pedestrians live, they need to make enough noise to be heard by sensible pedestrians.

      I'm responsible for listening; if I don't, that's my fault. If you make so little noise that listening doesn't help, that's your fault. Either way I'm the one at risk; there's a huge difference between me putting me at risk, vs. you putting me at risk.

      "So, yeah, it would be good if people weren't idiots who only focused on themselves but you can legislate or require commonsense"

      You seem to be wandering from the topic. "Legislate common sense" is an applicable complaint if you want to oppose laws designed to protect you from yourself - such as, had I advocated making it illegal to walk in traffic with headphones. (By the way, it is typically illegal to operate a vehicle while wearing headphones, and in some places that includes a bike. But I digress...) That's not what we're talking about, though.

      Laws to protect others from you? Yeah, you can legislate that. Requiring a minimal noise level from cars is no different than requiring headlights at night; or do you think driving without lights should be ok, too? I mean, after all, by your logic since some people don't look, headlights won't do any good anyway. You can't legislate common sense, right?

    85. Re:Horn? by mea37 · · Score: 1

      "it is important to realize that the person responsible for what the car hits is... the person _driving_ the damn car, not the pedestrians

      Oh, okay. So if I get run over by an inattentive driver in a car that's running silent, I shouldn't worry that I could've gotten out of the way if I'd heard him coming. After all it was his responsibility rather than mine; it's not my fault that I'm now dead.

      I'm sure the victims of such accidents find that very comforting.

    86. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you know, car could just pay attention to pedestrian as they are supposed to do and not the other way around.

    87. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you consider the quiet of the prius to be a disadvantage, then roll down the window and just scream the whole time.

      Excellent idea. But, to make it a little easier on my voice box, maybe they could just install speakers outside the car.

      Stupid ass.

    88. Re:Horn? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Most plastic bags have warnings about not putting them over your head. Haven't seen any anti-kid-upside-down-in-water-filled-bucket warnings yet.

    89. Re:Horn? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You don't have a fan at all? How exactly is your AC condenser supposed to get air to it then? ... and around here, AC isn't optional. Unless you want to drink a liter of water on your way to work.

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    90. Re:Horn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly, what if they die and then immediately come back as a zombie? Then, there will be a silent Prius-driving zombie, able to kill an unlimited number of people, all of which will subsequently come back as zombies. If one zombie can kill one person every ten minutes, and they come back as a zombie, we can easily have

      2^(1/(10 minutes) t) = 2^(6/hour t)

      zombies running around. If there are n=6 billion people on the planet, we expect total zombification in just

      t= log_2 n/6 = 5.41 hours

      Clearly, the only option is to not drive any Prius'. The existential risk to humanity produced is just unacceptable.

    91. Re:Horn? by Gaffod · · Score: 1

      Well, to be sure when you are biking on an empty road, the vroom vroom coming from behind can be a literal lifesaver. Even if you do have a rear view mirror, its visibility is not perfect and you don't stare into it every moment.

      Though then again drivers in that situation should honk to alert the cyclist in the first place.

    92. Re:Horn? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Headlights is as much about people seeing you as it is you seeing them.

      I'm responsible for listening; if I don't, that's my fault. If you make so little noise that listening doesn't help, that's your fault.

      It's my fault if I'm not paying attention to the road and the surround sidewalks and cross roads. It's your fault if you dash out from between a couple of full size vans.

      Laws to protect others from you? Yeah, you can legislate that.

      People can be blind and deaf. Should we require cars to have huge inflatable bumpers and limit them to 2 MPH?

    93. Re:Horn? by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      What's next? Warnings on bags to not put them over your head and on buckets about not putting small children upside-down in them with water?

      You joke but take a look at a box of garbage bags or the side of a bucket of dishwasher soap or something similar. The warnings are already there. Kind of miss Darwin, the future would be far less idiocratic.

    94. Re:Horn? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I don't know about buckets, but bags do have that warning.

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    95. Re:Horn? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Not all "All Season" tires are created equally. If you live in the cold you can get "All Seasons" that still have a "M+S" raiting for Mud and Snow. It only works with light snow though. Also, you can get really good All Season tires for dry grip too with some of the Toyo Versado tires and the like. They use softer compounds and are H speed rated.

    96. Re:Horn? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      I lay on my horn when people don't get the hint. Its like me smacking them upside the back of the head because even though I honked they still are plowing their car right into the space I am already occupying.

  3. What a shame by Midnight's+Shadow · · Score: 1

    I always found that one of the great things about the Prius was how quite it was, but I guess with as many idiots out there not paying attention a little audio warning is needed. Now all we have to do is hope the RIAA doesn't have a copyright on the noise...

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    1. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiots like blind people, or people who can't spell "quiet".

    2. Re:What a shame by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, it reminds me of the old rules requiring someone to walk ahead of automobiles with a bell, so you wouldn't scare the horses...

      We have a car with an advantage (that it is silent at low speeds), and we cripple it because we aren't used to it.

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    3. Re:What a shame by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and those careless idiots think they got a right to drive too... Not really much choice here.

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    4. Re:What a shame by zero_out · · Score: 1

      While I agree that adding noise to a car is counter-intuitive, I know that at least one group, representing those who are blind, has complained about the lack of audio cues of an oncoming hybrid vehicle. This was part of a news program that I was watching at least six years ago. It's not just idiots who are not paying attention that are complaining. There are others, with more legitimate complaints, who are complaining as well.

    5. Re:What a shame by Midnight's+Shadow · · Score: 1

      And for those with legitimate complaints, such as the blind, I can sympathize. I just find it really hard to believe that adding more noise to a car is really the best solution.

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    6. Re:What a shame by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

      you could fix the noise by using one of those Military Pain guns instead. That should get their attention.

    7. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so glad you call all blind people idiots. Because we don't really care about them having to pay attention, right?

    8. Re:What a shame by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      I always found that one of the great things about the Prius was how quite it was, but I guess with as many idiots out there not paying attention a little audio warning is needed.

      The real question is this: which idiots are you referring to - the drivers or the pedestrians?

    9. Re:What a shame by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      I daresay the idiots not paying attention are the drivers - because if they were, they wouldn't be mowing down passengers [by accident].

    10. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for pointing out the absurdity of this.

    11. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If passengers are getting mowed down, I'd dare say that adding speakers outside the car won't fix anything. Perhaps a dividing wall between the driver and passengers would be better?

    12. Re:What a shame by cgenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, Toyota is crippling it in one market, optionally, by the owner's choice. That's very different than a state requirement that must be met.

      Of course, I've always wanted an option that wasn't quite horn, but wasn't just sitting-politely-waiting either. Keep the horn for the "Oh God We're All Going To Die" moments, and have some sort of sub-horn for "The light turned green: stop texting and drive" or "No really, we're in a right-turn-on-red state."

      If we could hook the outside speaker up to a microphone on the dashboard, I'd be happy. Well, I'd be angry, and there would be a string of expletives that came out of it. But it would be satisfying.

    13. Re:What a shame by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Sound is measured in Decibels which is a logarithmic scale because sound has to be exponentially louder for you to hear the difference. In the same vein, sound (like light) falls off in intensity at the inverse of the square. So if you are twice as far away then it is half as loud. This holds true unless the sound is reflecting off of something. So while sound polution is a problem, the intesity of the speakers will not need to be that loud to alert people who are close to the car. In other words, while it will make a sound, it won't be so loud as to cause a problem.

    14. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn those crippled blind people

    15. Re:What a shame by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We "cripple" it because it isn't safe. Just like spooking the horses also wasn't safe when they were populating the roads. Until people learn that cars are no longer noisy, I would except nothing less than "crippling".

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    16. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      For bicyclists, who must ride in the road, Priuses are a bit of a nightmare. They creep up on you and you cannot hear them coming from behind. It's because of them that I opted to get a mirror to install in my helmet.

    17. Re:What a shame by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Of course, I've always wanted an option that wasn't quite horn, but wasn't just sitting-politely-waiting either.

      I have just the product for you. Put this on your car's hood:

      http://www.amazon.com/Nirve-Hello-Kitty-Bike-Bell/dp/B000QFOOU6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=cycling&qid=1282688405&sr=1-2

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    18. Re:What a shame by Animaether · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Toyota is crippling it in one market, optionally, by the owner's choice.

      Sure.. until the first suit / insurance agency complaint brings to attention that the owner had the choice of installing this option, and an expert witness testifying that the blind person/person in a hurry/whatever would most likely -not- have crossed the street -if- that option had been in place. I'm sure it'll still feel very optional then.

      I've always wanted an option that wasn't quite horn, but wasn't just sitting-politely-waiting either. Keep the horn for the "Oh God We're All Going To Die" moments, and have some sort of sub-horn for "The light turned green: stop texting and drive" or "No really, we're in a right-turn-on-red state."

      You have one already. The OMG OMG WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! involves you honking your horn for an extended period of time. The Wake up you idiot! one is just a short tap/double-tap.

    19. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not an advantage for pedestrians and cyclists. The speakers aren't being used to coddle to people uncomfortable with the idea of a silent car, they are to warn people who may not know that a car is coming up behind them.

      I commute by bike in a city with lots of priuses, and I do wish they all had these speakers installed. I have been surprised by a car silently following me just before a left turn.

    20. Re:What a shame by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      There is such a thing.

      HOOOOOOOOONK vs Beep Beep

      (ie, just "bounce" the horn)

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    21. Re:What a shame by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised how stupid people are around horses. They forget their car makes noise. Passing slowly and then gunning it as soon as you're horizontally past the horse/rider still spooks the horse, you just probably aren't looking at them anymore.

      Motorcycle riders are even worse... hehe

    22. Re:What a shame by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Oh my, yes!

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    23. Re:What a shame by hedwards · · Score: 1

      As somebody that gets migraines and consequently has trouble at times seeing, this is something that has had me deeply concerned. I need to have the audio feedback to double check that the vehicle is where I think it is, those Priuses are becoming an increasing problem as hybrid and electric technology becomes more prevalent. It's hardly just people that are idiots, it's people that have a hard time seeing, are momentarily distracted in addition to the people that don't look.

    24. Re:What a shame by santax · · Score: 1

      The advantage is that it is using a non-fossil fuel (on paper anyway) The lack of sound in this world isn't an advantage a all. You want to be noticed and you want to make sure you notice other people. It doesn't have to be a V12 Rolls Royce sound, but you want that sound just to be noticed.

    25. Re:What a shame by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I'm usually against crippling technology in the name of satisfying some safety-related corner cases, but I don't really see much advantage in having a completely silent car.

      Sorry, but I'm having difficulty coming up with any scenario where silent cars would be anything other than downright dangerous.

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    26. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you honked behind me for my not turning right on a red, I would give you the finger and wait out the rest of the light just to spite you.

    27. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They creep up on you and you cannot hear them coming from behind. It's because of them that I opted to get a mirror to install in my helmet.

      SUPRIUS! BUTTSECKS!!!!

    28. Re:What a shame by S-100 · · Score: 1

      Actually, they had to have someone walk in front of the automobile waving a flag. This UK law was repealed in 1898 with the passage of the Light Locomotives Act, which also raised the speed limit to 14 MPH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Act

    29. Re:What a shame by GSV+Eat+Me+Reality · · Score: 1

        I like that idea - when I was a kid in the 70s I once mounted a battery powered megaphone on my bicycle, just for kicks - but it'd only distract the morons behind the wheel that much more ;-(

    30. Re:What a shame by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

      "Until people learn..." Sounds like natural selection to me. :)

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    31. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, I've always wanted an option that wasn't quite horn, but wasn't just sitting-politely-waiting either. Keep the horn for the "Oh God We're All Going To Die" moments, and have some sort of sub-horn for "The light turned green: stop texting and drive" or "No really, we're in a right-turn-on-red state."

      Try not pressing the horn with so much force and for a smaller duration?

    32. Re:What a shame by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Keep the horn for the "Oh God We're All Going To Die" moments

      There are probably other things than the horn you should be concentrating on if the situation is that perilous, for instance controlling the vehicle or trying to make evasive manoeuvres.

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    33. Re:What a shame by dominious · · Score: 1

      nop, it seems that a silent car is not an advantage. it seems that any moviing vehicle must make some noise (unless for military purpose). I remember sci/fi movies where in the future cars make weird noise, so maybe we get to customize the sound of our cars and once again art will meet reality.

    34. Re:What a shame by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      There is such a thing.

      HOOOOOOOOONK vs Beep Beep

      (ie, just "bounce" the horn)

      There is, but some people go apeshit the second you touch your horn regardless of how. I've had people literally step out of their vehicles to yell at me for even thinking of honking when the light turned and they didn't go.

      My personal policy is that if you've sat at a green for 10 seconds or more you get two quick beeps, what I assume to be the universal "excuse me, but I'd like to go now", but a lot of people in North America seem to disagree.

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    35. Re:What a shame by pandronic · · Score: 1

      And what are pedestrians doing it the middle of the road?

    36. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until people learn that cars are no longer noisy, I would except nothing less than them continuing to be noisy [substitution is mine].

      Makes perfect sense...

    37. Re:What a shame by srpape · · Score: 1

      How are they mowing down passengers?

    38. Re:What a shame by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that excellent suggestion. Could you also advise on whether I should fit the Avenir Wicker Bicycle Basket with Black Velcro (Small) or does my Prius have sufficient open-top storage for friendly cats already?

      Personally I'm thinking of buying a Prius in the next week (it's that or a 1 series BMW. Yes, that's an odd pair of alternatives) and for low speed pedestrian idiocy I am contemplating something along the lines of http://www.petracycles.co.uk/product_info.php?language=en&currency=GBP&products_id=66378

      I'm thinking a mounting bracket attached to the grab handle above the drivers' door so that I can lower the window, rotate it out, use it to inform the slow obnoxious pedestrian that they are in imminent danger of embarrassing injury, then swing it back inside to close the window.

    39. Re:What a shame by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      d'oh! I was going for +

    40. Re:What a shame by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Does it matter? As unfortunate and annoying as it is, you're kind of obligated not to turn them into speedbumps.

    41. Re:What a shame by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      wow. double-fail. i quit.

  4. What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollably? by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    "ATTENTION PEDESTRIANS! This vehicle is accelerating uncontrollably while an elderly man panics in the drivers seat! Please make way!"

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  5. Tardis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long until these speakers are modded to sound like a Tardis?

  6. Also add horse sounds by Ossifer · · Score: 5, Funny

    They need to add the sounds of hooves and the cracking of whips too, for those of us not used to these newfangled horseless carriages...

    1. Re:Also add horse sounds by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can't you just hire someone to sit on top of the Prius and crack some coconuts together?

    2. Re:Also add horse sounds by pspahn · · Score: 1

      I was thinking along the same lines, but more annoying. I can imagine people all over adding custom "ring tones" to their vehicles. Now I can loathe driving to Boulder even more, as everyone will be playing some crappy new age sound from the front of the car.

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    3. Re:Also add horse sounds by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Can't we just train pedestrians to look both ways?

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    4. Re:Also add horse sounds by blai · · Score: 2, Funny

      where would you get a coconut?

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    5. Re:Also add horse sounds by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      Heh, if they do this, then I'm buying one and using the sound of the car from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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    6. Re:Also add horse sounds by Ossifer · · Score: 1

      No! Society shall NOT progress!

    7. Re:Also add horse sounds by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Some time ago, one of the guests on TWiT was talking about his experience with his Tesla. One discussion talked about the odd interactions because of the car being so quiet. So being geeky - there was a general declaration that they were going to wire in a sound system. And that sound system would involve custom sound effects. Among the sound files discussed were Pod Racer, Formula One, and Locomotive.

    8. Re:Also add horse sounds by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      We can try. Now, some people have deficient motion perception, so a moving car isn't real obvious to them. Some people are blind. Some people are short, and may not be able to see over a parked car. We just ban these people from crossing streets, right?

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    9. Re:Also add horse sounds by SleazyRidr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just take the lime out.

    10. Re:Also add horse sounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darwin.

    11. Re:Also add horse sounds by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> They need to add the sounds of...

      I'd like one that makes the same sound as George Jetson's car please.

    12. Re:Also add horse sounds by kms_one · · Score: 1

      But where will we get coconuts?! The coconut's tropical!

    13. Re:Also add horse sounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you get those coconuts anyway?

    14. Re:Also add horse sounds by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Swallows could have carried them. . .

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    15. Re:Also add horse sounds by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      They need to add the sounds of hooves and the cracking of whips too, for those of us not used to these newfangled horseless carriages...

      You're going to put the horse whip manufacturers out of business!

    16. Re:Also add horse sounds by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      from Africa or Europe.

    17. Re:Also add horse sounds by GSV+Eat+Me+Reality · · Score: 1

      Bake a cantaloupe in the oven at low temp until it's hard enough.

        (Yes, actually know someone who tried that back in the early 80s. Thankfully, it wasn't me who had to deal with the parents coming home to a very evil smelling house. You know who you are, sis.)

    18. Re:Also add horse sounds by chocapix · · Score: 1

      In Mercia.

    19. Re:Also add horse sounds by Heian-794 · · Score: 1

      Their jobs are in no danger; there are plenty of people in this world who need to be horsewhipped. Wasn't there a story earlier today about the RIAA?

  7. Just when you think... by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just when you think quiet electric cars are going to help diminish the noise pollution problem, they go and do this.

    1. Re:Just when you think... by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Because some sound alert is needed. Not everyone can see, out of those people that can see, not everyone can see a car clearly from far enough.

    2. Re:Just when you think... by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Noise pollution is better than pedestrian carnage pollution.

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    3. Re:Just when you think... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      They're loud enough. The road noise is clearly audible frat 25 yards.

      Maybe cars should be forced to vibrate the ground so Tommy doesn't get hit on the way to the pinball palace?

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    4. Re:Just when you think... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Informative

      And what do these people do to avoid people on bicycles, while not as likely to be fatal as a collision involving an automobile, a collision involving a bike and pedestrian can still very easily result in a serious injury requiring hospitalization.

    5. Re:Just when you think... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except there isn't a problem.

      This is a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.

      Like trying to solve the Bermuda Triangle Mystery when in fact there is no actual mystery.

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    6. Re:Just when you think... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > And what do these people do to avoid people on bicycles...

      Nothing. Bicycles are absolutely, totally harmless.

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    7. Re:Just when you think... by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Considering everyone walks around with white headphones in their ears, or is yapping on a phone, this makes a lot of sense. People are not attentive to the world around them anymore.

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      Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
    8. Re:Just when you think... by pclminion · · Score: 1

      The bicyclist is supposed to give a... wait for it now... audible cue when approaching a pedestrian or passing another cyclist. As in, ringing a bell or shouting "passing on the left." Welcome to reality -- you seem new here.

    9. Re:Just when you think... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Because some sound alert is needed. Not everyone can see, out of those people that can see, not everyone can see a car clearly from far enough.

      More importantly not everyone can drive. my answer is more drastic though - revoke driving privileges from those who can't pass a yearly competence test that includes dealing with in-car and roadside distractions.

    10. Re:Just when you think... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      The people who can't see well enough to know when a hybrid or electric is coming shouldn't be relying on their hearing to know when it's safe.

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    11. Re:Just when you think... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Bicycles are not required to watch for pedestrians on the sidewalk who might be trying to cross the street, and alert them. Those audible signals are for when you're approaching someone from behind, where they cannot be expected to see you.

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    12. Re:Just when you think... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      While your assertion may be your own personal opinion, but is not an accurate assessment of reality.

    13. Re:Just when you think... by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      That's not true. Moronic Bicyclists cause accidents all the time. Around where I live they run red lights but forget to figure out who actually has the green. Then because of the moronic laws in this country the people who have every right to plow right into the fuckers have to swerve and run into something else causing untold amounts of damage to people and physical property. Meanwhile the bike rider shrugs his shoulders and take off.

    14. Re:Just when you think... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Safety mechanisms ought to be proportionate to the amount of danger. Bicycles are less dangerous to pedestrians than cars.

    15. Re:Just when you think... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      If I was cycling along and a pedestrian stepped in front of me, I probably would shout something anyway.

    16. Re:Just when you think... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Bicycles, when on the road, are two-wheeled vehicles, right? So, that means that they are to yield to pedestrians. That means they're supposed to stop...

    17. Re:Just when you think... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Whoosh. Twice. Read my sig.

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    18. Re:Just when you think... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Bicycles are definitely a problem, mostly because of the assholes that ride around without adhering to the traffic laws. I remember being almost run over by one of those assholes riding at night without proper lighting. It's a problem, but it's not as big a problem as it is being hit by a car. Sure one can be killed by a bike, but for the most part they travel much more slowly and are significantly less massive than even a small motorcycle. It's possible to be killed by a bike, but it's not likely. On top of that, the bicyclist is almost as likely to be killed as the pedestrian is, which is most certainly not the case for even a small poorly designed car.

    19. Re:Just when you think... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's not true. There isn't presently a problem, because hybrids in the US are still relatively uncommon, assuming that it will remain that way is questionable, unless something is done to make it so.

    20. Re:Just when you think... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      So, next time I someone standing by the side of the road who might be planning to cross it, and I'm driving my car, I'm supposed to honk at them? Or stop? That's utterly loopy.

      Vehicles –noisy or not –have the same legal obligations: they're supposed to yield to pedestrians when pedestrians are crossing the road legally. Crossing the road legally involves looking for oncoming vehicles unless there is a traffic light or sign which requires them to stop regardless of pedestrians. There is nothing whatsoever in this arrangement that involves the pedestrian hearing the vehicle.

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    21. Re:Just when you think... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Can we outlaw headphones and ear buds too? I see far too many people using them.

      How about cellphones? If they're just staring down at the screen, they won't see the cars.

      (Optionally, could we get flashing lights and flashbang grenade launchers?!)

    22. Re:Just when you think... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Once all the slow, stupid, sightless, and deaf are weaned, we would have neither problem.

      Also, it would create temp jobs for the clean up AND lower unemployment.

    23. Re:Just when you think... by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Crossing the road legally involves looking for oncoming vehicles unless there is a traffic light or sign which requires them to stop regardless of pedestrians. There is nothing whatsoever in this arrangement that involves the pedestrian hearing the vehicle.

      And locks are not needed because there are laws against theft.

      Yes, the law says that a car must yield to pedestrians and that pedestrians must cross the street at specific locations. In practice, however, there are drunk drivers and drivers, who think that since pedestrian is not a tree, he can get out of the way so there is no reason to stop. Blind people cannot see an incoming car, but they can hear it, especially if the car is with an internal combustion engine. Electric motors are quieter than gas or diesel engines, so hearing the car might be a problem.

      On the other hand, I have never been near a Prius, so I can't say if it is too quiet or not, but some of the newer cars with gasoline engines are very quiet.

    24. Re:Just when you think... by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Can we outlaw headphones and ear buds too? I see far too many people using them.

      How about cellphones? If they're just staring down at the screen, they won't see the cars.

      Well, in that case, the person will get hit by a car learn a lesson about looking for cars if he/she survives. Looking at a cellphone while crossing a street puts the user (who is making the decision to ignore the risk) at risk more than the driver. On the other hand, cars with stealth mode put the pedestrian at risk more than the driver (who is the one making the decision to use a quiet car), so they may be a problem.

    25. Re:Just when you think... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Well, in that case, the person will get hit by a car learn a lesson about looking for cars if he/she survives.

      Assuming they can still speak, I'd bet the first words would be something to the effect of "The car came out of nowhere!"

    26. Re:Just when you think... by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      Actually, they're VERY common here in San Francisco*. And so are pedestrian fatalities. You're more likely to be mowed down here than in New York City.

      (*Yes, South Park got that right.)

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    27. Re:Just when you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you want to avoid people on bicycles? Most of these twits are begging to get knocked off of them. They are not well liked.

      Throw a hay-maker at the pricks instead!

      Scoring:
      1000 Points for knocking them clean off their bike (And the bike continues on...)
      500 Points for knocking them off the bike (And the bike goes down...)
      250 Points for a good shiner
      25 Points for a swing and a miss (Good intentions deserve recognition...)
      0 Points for being a namby-pamby
      -10,000 Points for modding this post into oblivion

    28. Re:Just when you think... by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

      Is it? I don't think you can say that empirically.

      I happen to think I would be perfectly content to have a nice quiet neighborhood wherein some of the very few sounds would include the sound of a distracted texter or inattentive daydreamer yelping in pain as they bounce to the tarmac.

      Putting aside the considerations for blind persons, which is a topic I have not resolved in my own mind so I have no opinion, I am SICK AND TIRED of dumbing down everything in existence to the lowest common denominator. We do too much to protect that tiny fraction of people who would otherwise deservedly suffer the wrath of natural selection -or- fulfill a statistical probability. Shit happens. Don't turn my world into a freakin' idiot-proof padded room to save a *few* lives. We have too many people as it is. I'll take days and days of quiet for the infinitesimal chance of one person having a bad day. Even if it's me.

      Sheesh.

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    29. Re:Just when you think... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I've heard a pure EV before... and while admittedly the engine itself seems to me to be virtually silent, you can still hear the sound of the tires on the road very clearly, and it can provide ample warning of such a car's approach if it is moving at any speed faster than a crawl.

    30. Re:Just when you think... by LBt1st · · Score: 1

      Those people shouldn't be walking unaided into traffic.

    31. Re:Just when you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Reducing the noise pollution is one of the great advantages of this car.

    32. Re:Just when you think... by SilverEyes · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't REAL pinball wizards be able to navigate the streets by smell alone?

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    33. Re:Just when you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noise Polution is the answer to motorcycle trafic safety issues too. Look at the statistics, motorcycle deaths are way down since all the deaf, old guys started pulling their mufflers. Well, they are not down exactly, but think about how much worse it would be if they couldn't drive around emiting sound energy loud enough to be considered assualt in a different context.

    34. Re:Just when you think... by danomac · · Score: 1

      It could be worse - they could attach bells to the wheels. All you'd hear is ringing as a car went by.

    35. Re:Just when you think... by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Where I live, some of the bigger intersections have pedestrian traffic lights that beep when the green light is on, I assume, to let blind people know that they can go now. So, the blind person is supposed to cross the street by himself, but how is he going to hear the almost silent car that is going even though the red light is on?

    36. Re:Just when you think... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > On the other hand, I have never been near a Prius...

      You probably have but it was so quiet you didn't notice it.

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  8. Begs for creative modification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm so going to mod this to replace the motor sound with the sound of a playing card stuck in a bicycle wheel.

    1. Re:Begs for creative modification by NevarMore · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tie Fighter engine noise

    2. Re:Begs for creative modification by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Two words: The Jetsons

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    3. Re:Begs for creative modification by tyger_purr · · Score: 1

      I was thinking "theme song"

    4. Re:Begs for creative modification by sharkey · · Score: 1

      I was thinking "theme song"

      Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
      Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
      Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
      Oh, you, pretty Chitty Bang Bang,
      Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
      We love you.

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    5. Re:Begs for creative modification by Mhtsos · · Score: 1

      If you tap the speed measurement and the gas you can even have it say "To boldly go were no one has gone before" and have it warp off when starting on every traffic light.

  9. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Is the default recording "Pretentious Asshole Coming Through"

    1. Re:Hmmmm by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      When did BMW start making the Prius?

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    2. Re:Hmmmm by Locke2005 · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is a Prius; the default is "Smugly Superior Asshole Coming Through".

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  10. Maybe this will be the "Turbo" Prius by enjar · · Score: 1

    Complete with a "BOV Valve"

    http://www.akamoto.co.uk/dump-valve.asp

    1. Re:Maybe this will be the "Turbo" Prius by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      gives you a genuine sound by using MP3 Technology

      Why do I want to stab someone now?

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    2. Re:Maybe this will be the "Turbo" Prius by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1

      That is... sad.

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  11. Feature Request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want one that plays a recording of Mr. T shouting "Ah pity the po foo' don't get out mah way!"

  12. Finally by hsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Automobiles are 508 compliant!

    1. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what will they add to warn those who are blind and deaf?

    2. Re:Finally by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      A pilot?

    3. Re:Finally by Idbar · · Score: 1

      They actually need to become invisible. They are quiet now, if they made them invisible there will be no advantage/disadvantage to people with disabilities.

  13. For geek points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It needs to made the Knight Rider / Cylon noise with optional light.

  14. Takes out all the fun from old jokes by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was a campaign a while ago where people could suggest advertisement plots for some car brands. Some guy sent something like this in:

    Scene: Blind 9 year old girl crossing the street.

    Camera alternates between showing the closeup of the girl and showing the empty road.

    Screen goes black and in a short while there is a loud noise as if someone was hit by a car.

    The following appears on screen: "New Audi type foo. Very fast. Very quiet."

    The guy didn't hear back about his plot suggestion for some reason.

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    1. Re:Takes out all the fun from old jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      There was a campaign a while ago where people could suggest advertisement plots for some car brands. Some guy sent something like this in:

      Scene: Blind 9 year old girl crossing the street.

      Camera alternates between showing the closeup of the girl and showing the empty road.

      Screen goes black and in a short while there is a loud noise as if someone was hit by a car.

      The following appears on screen: "New Audi type foo. Very fast. Very quiet."

      The guy didn't hear back about his plot suggestion for some reason.

      Probably because he was deaf.

    2. Re:Takes out all the fun from old jokes by GSV+Eat+Me+Reality · · Score: 1

        Hah! Needs a Not Safe While Drinking Beer mod.

        I like your sig. Reminds me of a t-shirt I have:

      "You laugh because I'm different. I laugh because you are all the same."

        GSVEMR

  15. External speakers to alert of oncoming Priuses by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    The speakers go "Ring-dingy-dingy", right?. But, no, I guess that woulf be for Civics.

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    1. Re:External speakers to alert of oncoming Priuses by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      The Civic would have a knock-knock-knock of "Mr. Opportunity"

    2. Re:External speakers to alert of oncoming Priuses by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Honda makes Civics. Honda used to make little high RPM motorcycles which were, in ancient days, known as "ringy-dingies". For the sound they made.

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    3. Re:External speakers to alert of oncoming Priuses by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      Honda makes Civics, here in the States at least, Honda uses an annoying animated "Mr. Opportunity" whom is always "knocking" trying to sell cars. We're both right =D

  16. I can imagine it already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Move ovel you wankel!!"

    1. Re:I can imagine it already... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      "Move ovel you wankel!!"

      And if they don't have a rotary engine?

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  17. Smug Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ASSSSSSSShole coming through.

  18. Maybe I'm overthinking this, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that sounds like it would be the most annoying fucking thing ever.

  19. I've been saying this all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now give me that hacksaw, and I'll go cut additional 12" off the exhaust of my Harley...

  20. A solution in search of a problem by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Has anyone got a link to a story of a pedestrian being hit by a hybrid car because they didn't hear it?

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    1. Re:A solution in search of a problem by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      I summon the POWER OF GOOGLE!!! Seriously, this took like 1.3 seconds to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JARji4SbpCM

    2. Re:A solution in search of a problem by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      Nope, but we must spend! spend! spend! to prevent this horrible tragedy from ever occuring!

    3. Re:A solution in search of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was almost tagged in a parking lot last year by a Prius. I was nearly blindsided, and I say it like that because I am blind on my left side. At the speed he was going I would have suffered a broken leg at worst, but it scared the bejesus out of me. Everyone assumes that everyone else has the same sensory apparatus, but it's not always true. Do I think that the cars need speakers? Not really, but in a place that's as crowded and noisy as Japan is, I can see this being a potentially good idea.

    4. Re:A solution in search of a problem by hedwards · · Score: 1

      No, and I wouldn't expect anybody would. It's sufficiently traumatic after the fact that the victim's memory wouldn't be reliable. There is however an NHTSA study from a while back that indicates that under certain situations that hybrids are more likely be involved in collisions with bicyclists and pedestrians than more traditional vehicles are. NHTSA study indicates hybrids have higher pedestrian crash rates

      The main problem with the study is that there really aren't enough hybrids out there yet to know reliably what's going on, but the numbers are there.

  21. If they do, I want options! by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pick your Engine sound:

    1) Default Camcord
    2) Italian Sports Car
    3) Half ton Truck
    4) Harley Davidson Motorcycle
    5) Tank
    6) Horse and Buggy
    7) Monty Python
    8) Ice Cream Truck
    9) VW anything
    10) F1
    11) Flubber
    12)...

    1. Re:If they do, I want options! by HeyBob! · · Score: 1

      12) Jetsons/Futurama car

    2. Re:If they do, I want options! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I choose the voice making "Vroom! Vroom!"

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    3. Re:If they do, I want options! by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Ice Cream Truck - This is one you should secretly change your friend's Prius to make.

      I'd go for the theme from Jaws for mine.

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    4. Re:If they do, I want options! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      13) Sanctimonious person chiding about the environment.

      They could put a Ralph Nader speech loop on it.

    5. Re:If they do, I want options! by NevarMore · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TIE fighter.

    6. Re:If they do, I want options! by geekoid · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's a prius, there would be only one option:
      "Look at me, I'm saving the environment, Look at me, I'm saving the environment, "Look at me, I'm saving the environment."

      However, if given an option, I would choose:

      "EXTERMINATE!"

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    7. Re:If they do, I want options! by kabloie · · Score: 1

      Exactly, you beat me to it!

    8. Re:If they do, I want options! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      7) Monty Python

      "I'm not dead yet"?

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    9. Re:If they do, I want options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TARDIS

    10. Re:If they do, I want options! by boristdog · · Score: 1

      Loop of Sanford and Son theme, dammit.

      Well, now it's stuck in YOUR head, too.

    11. Re:If they do, I want options! by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      I don't care what is played over the speakers, as long as it's louder than The Who.

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    12. Re:If they do, I want options! by blai · · Score: 1

      13) Profit (my favourite)

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    13. Re:If they do, I want options! by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      13) Sanctimonious person chiding about the environment.

      They could put an Al Gore speech loop on it.

      There, fixed that for you.

    14. Re:If they do, I want options! by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      ...sigh

      Coconuts.

      Please turn in your geek card on the way out the door.

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    15. Re:If they do, I want options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How to damn these "safety features" to eternal illegality:

      12) Loud rock music in a neighborhood with old, politically connected, rich people
      13) Bass in that same neighborhood
      14) Police sirens, anywhere

      When the fight comes to you, win it.

    16. Re:If they do, I want options! by irving47 · · Score: 1

      The Flubber option is kick-ass. Remembering in the original that the Professor put in a device that simulated the sound of a gas-powered engine to hide the flubber noise... It's like double-irony with a sci-fi twist.

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    17. Re:If they do, I want options! by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      12) Jetson's car
      13) UFO hovering
      14) The kid going "vroom vroom"
      15) Bicycle w/ Bell
      16) Radar bleeps circa 1950s submarine
      17) Old man yelling "Outta my way!"
      18) Theme from Benny Hill
      19) Train
      20) Space Shuttle

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    18. Re:If they do, I want options! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Pick your Engine sound:

      I've been saying for years now that this problem is going to result in a market of 'ring tones' for your car.

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    19. Re:If they do, I want options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First thing I thought. There'll be a bunch of modders doing this. I'd go for a clippety clop at night.

    20. Re:If they do, I want options! by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Clone Trooper Transport. As iconic as the TIE sound is, the trooper transport sounds absolutely badass.

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    21. Re:If they do, I want options! by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I've long wondered why this kind of thing didn't already take off among the ricers. A big amp, some speakers, and some digitized loops of REAL motors. They could even have it vary realistically by speed and load. If you can't have the "last V8", at least you can sound like one!

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    22. Re:If they do, I want options! by Dr.Who · · Score: 1
      Or other environmental sounds:
      • Horse whinny
      • Donkey he-haw
      • Monkey shriek
      • Elephant trumpet
      • Cow moo
      • Goose honk
      • Duck quack
      • Owl hoo
      • Flatulence
    23. Re:If they do, I want options! by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      What? You missed
      12) KITT
      13) Dukes of Hazzard Rebel Yell with "Dixie" on the horn

      and then some more fun ones.
      14) Airwolf (hovering)
      15) Any decent SFX of a 'Mech.
      16) Intermittent sound of squalling brakes & crashing.
      17) Six Million Dollar Man "running" SFX
      18) 1950's era Superman flying "whoosh"
      19) Clydesdales
      20) Downtown Sturgis during Bike week
      21) Space Shuttle Main Engines
       

    24. Re:If they do, I want options! by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      And I just realized I missed another obvious one:

      22) Crazy Frog.

    25. Re:If they do, I want options! by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      And another:

      23) Developers! Developers! Developers!

      (I know I'd get the hell out of the way of THAT one!)

    26. Re:If they do, I want options! by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      24) Fat Albert's Car.

    27. Re:If they do, I want options! by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Animal sounds? Cruise around at night bumping annoying jungle bird noise and chattering monkeys.

      Oooh, ooh! Roars! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlDW8qFGFA

      Maybe the predator clicking noise or the weird imp child aliens from Galaxy Quest.

      Why don't we just have John McCrea record a few lines and put them on repeat?

      Warning. I am a car. A car is approaching.

    28. Re:If they do, I want options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12) porn audio

      Hey, at least no one would ignore.

    29. Re:If they do, I want options! by sharkey · · Score: 1

      smug, smug, smug, smug, smug, smug, eggs and smug

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    30. Re:If they do, I want options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jetsons saucer!

    31. Re:If they do, I want options! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Apparently I forgot a few!

      I'll add one more no one got...

      .
      .
      .
      112) Mission Impossible Theme Song.

    32. Re:If they do, I want options! by Stupid+McStupidson · · Score: 1

      http://ladyahhhahhhh.ytmnd.com/ This, with no way to turn it off. Ever.

    33. Re:If they do, I want options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pew pew pew!

    34. Re:If they do, I want options! by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      I want that Korean Howard Cosell impersonator from Better Off Dead.

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  22. Nobody will hear that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tokyo (downtown/high streets) is probably the loudest city in the world. Nobody will hear mingy, tiny speakers.
    -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--JLHr9rqGA
    -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmAX57wSFQM

  23. So.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Are they going to require these for bicycles as well then?

    Bicycles might not weigh as much as a car, and so might not be as likely to kill, but they can sure as heck easily hospitalize someone who steps in front of a moving one.

    1. Re:So.... by beschra · · Score: 1

      Decent point. Key difference is that a bicycle rider is much more likely to be injured in a crash and so, supposedly, pays more attention to what's going on around them.

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    2. Re:So.... by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Are they going to require these for bicycles as well then?

      The law in most places already requires bicyclists to give an audible notice when approaching or passing. I've seen the cops hand out tickets for failing to do so. Getting pulled over on a bike is embarrassing, don't let it happen to you.

      So this is just the automotive world finally catching up to how we've done it with bicycles for many years already.

    3. Re:So.... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That doesn't matter to the person that ht them, and I find they pay no more attention then someone driving a car.

      Of course when the run a stop sun and hit you, somehow it's you fault. Hell I've been rear ended by a bicycle when I was slowing and giving wide birth to the curb.

      They're just like everyone else, no matter how special they pretend to be.

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    4. Re:So.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      But then should it not likewise be required by law to have them generate noise all the time, just as they are proposing that these electric cars do? No? Then why require it from it automobiles? Are automobile drivers somehow less capable of tapping on the horn if they see a pedestrian they could be in danger of hitting than cyclists are?

    5. Re:So.... by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Are automobile drivers somehow less capable of tapping on the horn if they see a pedestrian they could be in danger of hitting than cyclists are?

      I don't know about how capable they are, but they are less likely to do so. So your two options are 1) create vast social change or 2) install a device on the cars. Which one sounds more feasible?

    6. Re:So.... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Are automobile drivers somehow less capable of tapping on the horn if they see a pedestrian they could be in danger of hitting than cyclists are?

      In many jurisdictions they are likely to be ticketed for that.

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    7. Re:So.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      And yet it's somehow perfectly acceptable for cyclists to be *required* to use their bell or horn when approaching pedestrians?

    8. Re:So.... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Good idea. It'll also help the sports-related collectible card business.

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    9. Re:So.... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      And yet it's somehow perfectly acceptable for cyclists to be *required* to use their bell or horn when approaching pedestrians?

      Where did I say that?

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    10. Re:So.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You did not, but this post did, which is the parent of the comment to which you yourself had responded earlier.

    11. Re:So.... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Nuke 'em from orbit, 'tis the only way to be sure!

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  24. What sound would you want? by KDN · · Score: 1
    • A Harley motorcycle
    • Engine from one of those big tractor trailers
    • JetSki
    • The space car/briefcase from the Jetsons cartoon
    • The roadrunner cartoon character
    • Speede Gonzales (Mexican mouse cartoon character)
    • The Jupiter 2 spacecraft (Lost in Space)
    • Engine noise from Star Trek
    • Horses galloping with a whip crack
    1. Re:What sound would you want? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      How about some heavy bass beats from an indeterminate hip hop song?

    2. Re:What sound would you want? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      How about the constant sound of over-applied brakes and smoking rotors?

    3. Re:What sound would you want? by nomorecwrd · · Score: 1

      Horses galloping with a whip crack

      Are those coconuts?

    4. Re:What sound would you want? by KDN · · Score: 1

      Good point, it doesn't have to be a vehicle, it could be:

      • Buggs Bunny: "You keep out of this, he doesn't have to shoot you now". "I say he does have to shoot me now, so shoot me now!"
      • Young Frankstein: "Which brain did you get?", "Abby Normal"
      • Lost in Space: "Danger Will Robinson!"
      • Monty Python: "A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut".
      • Star Trek Borg: "you will be assimulated"
    5. Re:What sound would you want? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Seriously. You'd have a voice loop on there for like 15 seconds before you get pissed of and remove it.

      Witness:

      "A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.

      Yea, that would get old fast.

      You need something that doesn't have a definite loop point, unless the beating is appropriate (think The Jetsons)

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    6. Re:What sound would you want? by Demanufacturer · · Score: 1

      Super Mario Theme.. ..or the theme from Knight Rider. Close 2nd, theme from Beverly Hills Cop

    7. Re:What sound would you want? by bwayne314 · · Score: 0

      Benny Hill soundtrack!!!!!!

  25. years ago in superhero 2044 by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    back in the 1980's, I played a superhero who rode an electric motorcycle (it being all futuristic) and I had speakers with "real harley sound" effects which I could turn on and off.

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    1. Re:years ago in superhero 2044 by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

      Let me guess:

      "Obnoxiousman!"

      or :
      "Totally not trying to cover for my tiny penis man!"

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    2. Re:years ago in superhero 2044 by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      He was "Captain Hero".

      The game was set on the island of Inguria.

      Superheros were either "Toolmasters" (like ironman-- our our version "Steel Lady"), Ubermensches (like batman, our version was "Thinx"), and Uniques (like superman, the flash, etc., our version was Tasha the Nauseator). I forget but I think Captain Hero was a toolmaster who I played as an ubermensche. So he had a lot of cool toys and average physical statistics.

      The 2044 game centered on two rival news papers, one was anti hero and the other was pro hero. Part of the fun was reading the writeup after fighting some bankrobbers.

      For example: "Captain Hero stops bank robbery by Chinese Terror gang" vs "Chaos Captain 'hero' again causes massive property damage and violates civil rights of uemployed immigrants"

      We were all young, happy and optimistic back then. Wonder if it was youth or if things are really tougher now. I suspect they are.

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    3. Re:years ago in superhero 2044 by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Wow. We really don't care.

    4. Re:years ago in superhero 2044 by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Thanks for taking the time to post that you didn't care.
      It means a lot to me.

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    5. Re:years ago in superhero 2044 by Experiment+626 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for taking the time to post that you didn't care. It means a lot to me.

      We don't care about that either.

    6. Re:years ago in superhero 2044 by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      lol.

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  26. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not panicking, and it's not uncontrolled.

    Learn to cross at the light, asshole.

  27. Now this won't be possible... by rsborg · · Score: 1
    No more deadly silent Prius sneak attacks?

    Looks like the resale on my older model might improve!

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  28. It'll be illegal in the US, unless by bareman · · Score: 1

    there is a provision that all the cars external speakers be allowed to play campaign advertisements for the Republicans and Democrats, or commercials targeted at the upcoming pedestrians who have already been RFID tagged.

    1. Re:It'll be illegal in the US, unless by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      there is a provision that all the cars external speakers be allowed to play campaign advertisements for the Republicans and Democrats, or commercials targeted at the upcoming pedestrians who have already been RFID tagged.

      I just got a picture of commercials broadcasting out of a passing car at a RFID tagged pedestrian with a foot fetish. I don't think the poor guy would be able to leave his house again...

    2. Re:It'll be illegal in the US, unless by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Isn't it Japan that has the onlooker-sensitive billboards, not the US?

    3. Re:It'll be illegal in the US, unless by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Right, but US-bashing is obligatory for some.

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  29. So it'll be like Nissan's electric cars by Kitkoan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was already noted by Nissan a while back when they decided to make their next electric cars sound like Blade Runner. Its a safety feature to make sure people like the blind can hear them so they don't walk right into a quiet electric car just as it's turning a corner at the lights.

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    1. Re:So it'll be like Nissan's electric cars by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I can't find that damn sound anywhere. The video on the page you linked was removed.

      Anyone got a source?

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    2. Re:So it'll be like Nissan's electric cars by Kitkoan · · Score: 1
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  30. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Neutral_Observer · · Score: 1

    That is good. I just spit out my coffee...

  31. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, Volvo intoduced a pedestrian protection system which instead stops the car. I think it functions at speeds below 30 mph if I remember correctly.

  32. Awesome by dangitman · · Score: 1

    This would be the coolest thing ever, if instead of "vroom vroom" noises, it played the lyrics to Madness' Driving in My Car read out by a bad Japanese speech synthesizer.

    I've been driving in my car, it's not quite a Jaguar
    I bought it in Primrose Hill from a bloke from Brazil
    It was made in '59 in a factory by the Tyne...

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    1. Re:Awesome by vlm · · Score: 1

      This would be the coolest thing ever, if instead of "vroom vroom" noises, it played the lyrics to Madness' Driving in My Car read out by a bad Japanese speech synthesizer.

      How 'bout "The Wheels on the Bus", my kids like that.

      "The wheels on the Prius go round and round,
      round and round,
      round and round,
      the wheels on the Prius go round and round,
      all at 60 miles per gallon .... (repeat)"

      Although I think the "icecream truck music" whatever thats called, would be funnier.

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    2. Re:Awesome by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      This would be the coolest thing ever, if instead of "vroom vroom" noises, it played the lyrics to Madness' Driving in My Car read out by a bad Japanese speech synthesizer.

      I've been driving in my car, it's not quite a Jaguar
      I bought it in Primrose Hill from a bloke from Brazil
      It was made in '59 in a factory by the Tyne...

      ... and then they built the supercollider.

      I'm not sure I'd want to drive a car built by people who build colliders. I prefer to not collide with my car. :-)

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    3. Re:Awesome by dangitman · · Score: 1

      It was made in '59 in a factory by the Tyne
      And then they built the supercollider

      Yes, I know, it doesn't quite Rhyme.
      That's because it's a Madness song

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  33. Re:fitting by dangitman · · Score: 1

    I'll stick with my Detroit Muscle,

    In my day, we called that a "trouser snake."

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  34. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...while an elderly man panics

    Hey! Some of us Prius drivers are trying to score Death Race points, and this proposal will really impact our scores :-(

  35. Horn? That's for killing old ladies. by h00manist · · Score: 1

    Isn't that what the horn is for?

    That's to lean on with full might at the last minute while applying screeching brakes attempting to kill the pedestrian of regular heart attack, while claiming full innocence. Lawyerly weaponry. Especially if you upgraded to those trucklike horns that make the entire neighborhood know you just killed a another lady with the heart attack braking technique.

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  36. Cars of the future by pwnies · · Score: 1

    So the real reason that cars of the future make that "bloop-bloop-bloop-bloop" sound as they go along is because of speakers?

  37. $148? How about bicycle tech? by aapold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A playing card in the rims could do that for a lot less, and I'll wager the drag would cost less than the energy drain of the speaker system too....

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  38. Sound Racer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they adding this, and piping the sound outside? http://www.soundracer.se/?video=1

  39. Ding Ding Ding by zeoslap · · Score: 1

    This doesn't surprise me in a country where their cars continually ding a bell when you hit 100 k/mh (62mph) hope they don't bother offering the option here.

    1. Re:Ding Ding Ding by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Any way to rig it so the sound is played whenever the car reaches 88mph? ;)

    2. Re:Ding Ding Ding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need a bell because your tires catch on fire.

    3. Re:Ding Ding Ding by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Actually they start dinging at 110Km/h. Some cars increase the rate the faster you go.

      Fun was had a long time ago going up the Kan-Etsu at 160.

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  40. It says by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    I'll bet it says
    Uzendayo kiero translation FUCK OFF!!!

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  41. EVs weren't always so quiet by lfp98 · · Score: 1

    Early electronic EV controllers operated at ~800-1500 Hz and emitted a quite audible electronic buzz or hum. Bay area folks may remember that same sound in the early BART trains. When 15-20 kHz controllers came out, a major selling point was their silence. I vote that we bring back the 1000 Hz hum, even if artificially, as the official EV sound.

  42. double-edge sword by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    Could come in handy for car-jacking with a 2 person team..

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  43. I knew I should have patented my idea by beschra · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ringtones for your hybrid car. Downloadable for 99 cents.

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    1. Re:I knew I should have patented my idea by TechJag · · Score: 1

      99 cents? Nah... Welcome to the Toyota Engine Store powered by Apple Engine tunes 9.99 DRM included!

    2. Re:I knew I should have patented my idea by babboo65 · · Score: 1

      guarantee there could be an app for this.

      and with the Prius just like the iPhone you can shake it to reset it.

    3. Re:I knew I should have patented my idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got the name for you - Vroomtones.

    4. Re:I knew I should have patented my idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that is already available. http://www.hiir.com/

      My old boss created this, and I thought it would be the most stupid idea ever (I still do). I guess now he has a good chance to get into a business relation with Toyota. ;)

  44. There is only one sound it could be for me by geekoid · · Score: 1
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  45. Nissan Leaf by Flammon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's what the Nissan Leaf sounds like: http://nissan-leaf.net/2010/06/11/nissan-leaf-sound-revealed/

  46. Downloadable motortone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So when can I get a car with downloadable motortone?

    "Make your Prius sound like 1970's Ford Mustang. Download for $0.99 only!"

  47. Record your own option? by HikingStick · · Score: 1
    I hope they have a record your own warning sound option. Then, I can't wait to hear a mashup of the various sounds and saying people configure for their cars. Some I'd expect to hear:
    • Get outta da road!
    • Iiiiiiidiot!
    • Doh!
    • 50 points for the slow one!
    • I need a new bumper.
    • Who needs breaks when you have pedestrians?
    • Stupid [BLEEP]!
    • This is way better than dodgeball!
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    1. Re:Record your own option? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yea because hearing the same 5 word phrase OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER wouldn't get old quickly.

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    2. Re:Record your own option? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      My sister gave me one of those Dr. Evil stuffed characters that says catch lines from the movies when you smack it. Then I moved to a city nine hours away. Not thinking, when I started the drive down I tossed Dr. Evil in the back seat. Every time I hit a seam in the highway (ie constantly) he'd repeat one of about a half dozen phrases.

      If I hadn't managed to make Dr. Evil a sufficiently soft nest in a blanket he'd have ended up on the side of the highway.

  48. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by syousef · · Score: 1

    "ATTENTION PEDESTRIANS! This vehicle is accelerating uncontrollably while an elderly man panics in the drivers seat! Please make way!"

    "Coming through! Get the fuck out of the way or get trampled! On your bike! Fuck off now! Except you - stay right there so I can pound ya!"

    "Alert! Attention! Dickhead pseudo-environmentalist with a hybrid coming! Get out of the way or get a smug lecture!"

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  49. Was Toyota thinking "Priapism" when they named it? by spun · · Score: 1

    Hey, pony-tailed thirty something hippy dude, are you feeling a little inferior "under the hood?" Is your tiny "carbon footprint" failing to impress the ladies? Well equipped men drive well equipped cars, cars that grunt and roar, cars that sound like they can deliver THRUST! If you want to make the ladies squeal, buy yourself a Toyota Priapus and make some noise yourself!

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  50. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by pspahn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heck, why not just bolt a vuvuzela to the hood?

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  51. Well ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a Prius. Just have the speakers play random stuff by the Village People to complete the picture.

    1. Re:Well ... by SilverEyes · · Score: 1

      Your comment reminded me of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL9tyzE83nc

      Seems appropriate given who is often characterized as a Prius driver.

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  52. Make Way Make Way by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    I just can picture it using the voice of king Julien saying "Just look at me, just look" or "You may now give the royal sponge bath". Though I think it might do better to say "it applies the lotion to its skin or it gets the hose"

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  53. Non issue by xaxa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please don't forget the blind that trained themselve to listen to car engin to determine if it's safe to cross. Also i like being able to ear incoming cars it help me to position my self when cycling.

    There are lots of electric cars and hybrid cars round here (and the occasional hybrid bus). I have no problem hearing them approach me on my bicycle -- most of the noise vehicles make is the tyres rubbing against the road. (If it's quiet I can hear bicycle tyres.) Most of the time I don't notice anything unusual until the vehicle has passed.

    Consider: engines don't make that much noise while idling, but you can still hear cars going downhill.

    1. Re:Non issue by skids · · Score: 1

      No more hard to hear than a non-hybrid when coasting... just they can "coast" in unexpected places.

      One wonders if all cars would end up with these, even normal gas engines, were normal gas engine cars not doomed to extinction.

  54. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by sleeping143 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a great reason to drive over 30 mph in cities... If I want the car to stop, I'll tell it to.

  55. Only in Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will one of the sound choices be shouted political slogans?

  56. Sample found! by babboo65 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was able to locate a copy of the factory default sound played for the Prius speakers to make a more noticable engine sound.

    http://tiny.cc/kdrv9

  57. And the external speakers play: by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

    Can't Stop by the Red Hot Chili Peppers
    Don't Stop by Journey
    Lord Don't Slow Me Down by Oasis
    On endless repeat

    1. Re:And the external speakers play: by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      Can't Stop by the Red Hot Chili Peppers Don't Stop by Journey Lord Don't Slow Me Down by Oasis On endless repeat

      Almost forgot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwhRQYf--KM&feature=search

    2. Re:And the external speakers play: by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Moonshine - Isolated
      Nightwish - Symphony of Destruction
      Luciferion - Satans gift (Crown of thorns)
      Evanescence - Going Under
      Eminem - The way I am
      The Game - My life

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  58. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heck, why not just bolt a vuvuzela to the hood?

    Because unlike a Toyota, a vuvuzela can stop.

  59. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by MachDelta · · Score: 1

    You mean This one? ;)

  60. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by kpainter · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be cool if it screamed "NO BRAKES!!! NO BRAKES!!!"?

  61. "Get the fuck out of my way asshole" by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    I'd like my car to say something that suits my charming personality

  62. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heck, why not just bolt a vuvuzela to the hood?

    Because unlike a Toyota, a vuvuzela can stop.

    When did they add the stopping feature to the vuvuzela?

  63. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the trick is to make sure you're above 30 mph to ensure hitting your objective?

  64. it's not as funny as it sounds (haha!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, it's not as funny as it sounds if you happen to know the prius. driving one since a couple of years, i still come across people who are startled to see the vehicle start to move quietly. especially elderly people don't usually notice the sound of the electric engine, or even the disengaging brake.

    the car made me realise how narrow the focus of people on supermarket parking lots is. .~.

  65. Jeff Dunham joke by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    The sound a chartreuse Prius makes passing you: "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahm-gay"

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    1. Re:Jeff Dunham joke by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      ^^
      Jeff Dunham has a lot to answer for.

  66. Mars Attacks! Option by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    The car will shout "Don't run! I am your friend!" before you run into pedestrians.

  67. Re:Was Toyota thinking "Priapism" when they named by tibit · · Score: 1

    I don't know -- I think that a silent electric car like, say, the Tesla Roadster, is fairly impressive to me. Then I'm not a lady. But there is something seemingly powerful about silent acceleration.

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  68. Well.... Life mpves on by sujies · · Score: 1

    There goes my 10 year old dream patent, for synthesizing and playing sounds in silent cars.

  69. Or... by OnePumpChump · · Score: 1

    you could get bull bars.

  70. Answers the question: by toxonix · · Score: 1

    What does a turd rolling up hill sound like?

  71. This Is An Improvement? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    They're going to make the Prius sound like a ghetto Escalade with wheel well speakers? I actually drive a hybrid Altima, and I assure you that the excellent sound system gives you all the auditory warning you need.

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    1. Re:This Is An Improvement? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      I assure you that the excellent sound system gives you all the auditory warning you need.

      Yes, a few assholes with such sound systems go past my house from time to time. They give me "auditory warning" when I'm inside a hundred yards from the road.

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    2. Re:This Is An Improvement? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Can't be too safe, gubiment says so, kekekekekekekekekekekekekeke!

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  72. How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    How about they just broadcast a ping on a very small radio bandwidth. A receiver could be installed in the car to indicate that the transmitter is working every time the car starts, much like the engine light does. Then any blind people that are concerned for their safety could simply have a receiver that indicated a silent car was approaching. This way, the blind could cross the street, and both the blind AND everybody else wouldn't have to live with pointless noise pollution for the rare time that they might be in the vicinity of the blind crossing traffic.

    1. Re:How about... by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      . This way, the blind could cross the street,

      If you think this feature is only meant to help blind people (or even primarily meant to help blind people), you are seriously overestimating the visual observation skills of the general public.

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    2. Re:How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      If you want to argue that this isn't about the blind, that is fine, but the ongoing support in this forum for this is by far using the blind as a reason to dump noise pollution onto out streets. I gave a very good solution that would give everyone a working solution. Since the same solution that works for the blind would also work for those that can see. Insisting that noise you want to hear must also be heard by everybody else around you is no better than the guys running around with huge bass speakers in their cars. You don't need a boombox on the bus, a walkman will do just fine.

    3. Re:How about... by Kitkoan · · Score: 1

      That puts an unfair "fee" (having to buy such a receiver) on the blind, expecting them to pony up more money due to an unforeseen issue with a silent car. Kinda like blaming the victim. These are still quieter then traditional cars and lets people know its there, doesn't limit its safety issue to the blind, doesn't have issues if the battery on the blind persons receiver dies, and is no doubt cheaper for everyone in the long term.

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    4. Re:How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      That is absolute BS. Buying equipment to keep yourself safe is hardly an unfair "fee". My suggestion already splits the cost of the safety equipment between the people that need it and those that don't. Yes, being handicapped has some extra cost to it. Making everyone else run around loudly announcing their presence because a blind person does not want to buy the safety equipment to protect themselves from an incident that is a direct result of their handicap, is not reasonable. Your unreasonable insistence that everyone must suffer through unneeded noise pollution because a blind person might want to be a burden on society is why so many people hate the ADA.

    5. Re:How about... by Kitkoan · · Score: 1

      Whats your idea of people "suffering through unneeded noise pollution"? Its still quieter then conventional vehicles and is considered a safety option for more then the blind, its also for children, elderly, people just plain ass not paying attention. Or is your solution going to be that everyone should buy one of these receivers? Because then it makes the point of noise pollution moot and in total honesty worse. Tell you what, why don't you take on the added fee of buying yourself earplugs to not hear the sound. Its just you buying safety equipment for people that need it (many people like you) and it'll even go that extra mile to protect you from all noise pollution. Problem solved.

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    6. Re:How about... by smellotron · · Score: 1

      ...everybody else wouldn't have to live with pointless noise pollution for the rare time that they might be in the vicinity of the blind crossing traffic.

      What you call "pointless noise pollution", I call "auditory cues". My eyes are both on the front of my head, giving me very good depth perception at the cost of peripheral vision. So for the directions outside of my current field of vision, my ears are useful at identifying SOMETHING GETTING CLOSE REALLY FAST GET OUT OF THE WAY. It can be plenty quieter than a traditional car and still be useful.

      That, and I live in a big city. The noise pollution that I notice is by commercial vehicle engines, excessive honking, and squealing brakes; not personal vehicle engines.

    7. Re:How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Unless you are prepared to suggest that everything that can run into you and injure you must also have constant noise emitted from it, you are making a double standard. Are you prepared to add the noise to bikes, shopping carts, golf carts, movable food stands, people walking, baseballs, golf balls, etc, etc, etc...?

      People regularly walk around without the ability to hear cars around them. They do pretty well. Also, if we are going to start requiring flashing lights on every car because deaf people might not hear them coming? The argument that cars have sucked in the past, so we shouldn't fix them now that we can is just plain silly.

    8. Re:How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Are these cars driving up into the lobby of buildings? Or are you just not looking both ways when you cross the street? Wanting cars to make noise so that you don't have to look both ways when crossing the street makes about as much sense as requiring proximity sensor, so that doors can start honking when someone gets close to the handle, because your "ears are useful at identifying SOMETHING GETTING CLOSE REALLY FAST GET OUT OF THE WAY." Just in case you are on the other side when it opens.

    9. Re:How about... by Kitkoan · · Score: 1

      Unless you are prepared to suggest that everything that can run into you and injure you must also have constant noise emitted from it, you are making a double standard. Are you prepared to add the noise to bikes, shopping carts, golf carts, movable food stands, people walking, baseballs, golf balls, etc, etc, etc...?

      Funny, same could be said about your entire "argument". Everything makes noise, bike chimes, shopping carts rattle, golf carts shake with golf clubs in them, food stands have people talking, people don't always wear silent foot wear, ect, ect, ect... should we demand for everyone and everything to be silent to prevent this noise pollution? Seriously, take a walk around anywhere and you'll hear sounds that aren't just car sounds. Its a normal part of life.

      People regularly walk around without the ability to hear cars around them. They do pretty well. Also, if we are going to start requiring flashing lights on every car because deaf people might not hear them coming? The argument that cars have sucked in the past, so we shouldn't fix them now that we can is just plain silly.

      Trucks and other large vehicles already need to make noise when backing up and this issue about electric cars has become enough of an issue to merit companies to make these devices that add sound. These addons cost money that the companies could have saved but they put it on anyways. And in some countries, headlights need to be always on, which is pretty much what your complaining about with the idea of deaf people. And when did I say cars have sucked in the past? I said electric cars even with these sounds are quieter then cars in the past.

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    10. Re:How about... by smellotron · · Score: 1

      Of course I look both ways before crossing. I also look the wrong way down one-way streets (because anyone who is driving the wrong way isn't likely to stop for me). I don't think you are grasping my point: humans are designed to both hear and see - if you deprive one sense, you are reducing the ability of a human to react. If you'd like to give people only the bare minimum, and then get upset when they miss a signal somewhere (and get hit by a car), expect a higher rate of failure.

      The door analogy is a bit off, too... I don't imagine the rate of fatalities due to pedestrian-door collisions is very high!

    11. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For bonus points, make it sound like the motion trackers from Aliens.

    12. Re:How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Funny, same could be said about your entire "argument". Everything makes noise, bike chimes, shopping carts rattle, golf carts shake with golf clubs in them, food stands have people talking, people don't always wear silent foot wear, ect, ect, ect... should we demand for everyone and everything to be silent to prevent this noise pollution? Seriously, take a walk around anywhere and you'll hear sounds that aren't just car sounds. Its a normal part of life.

      This comment is an obvious attempt by you to lie. You are clearly not interested in an actual discussion on the subject, so the rest is not worth commenting on.

    13. Re:How about... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      There might be a slightly higher rate of accidents. Just as there is no doubt a slightly higher rate of accidents because cars don't run a sprinkler system on top, so that you can get a cue from the sense of feel without getting hit by the car. Sound is used by people to identify cars, but it is a very poor way to do it. It is extremely unreliable, as it is both a secondary source of input, and it is unreliable, as there are too many factors that can interfere with it working. From the personal choice of using a walkman, to the car's engine being below the ambient levels of noise.

      The door analogy is not off. It may not kill you, but people get injured, sometimes seriously by doors opening on them all the time. We don't solve that because no one wants to live in a world where every door is dumping large amounts of noise into the environment, and we used them for a long time before the tech was available to make them have warning bells.

      The noise off of a car is a bug, not a feature. You may have started to rely on that bug in cars, but it is still a bug. If the nature of cars were to be silent from the time they were first created, this conversation wouldn't happen. Everyone would think that the idea of dumping noise into our lives because people don't want to watch for cars was ridiculous. Heck, right now, the loudest noise in the room I am sitting in is from cars at least 3 blocks away. I don't think most people realize just how much noise cars dump into our environments.

    14. Re:How about... by Kitkoan · · Score: 1

      How so? We've got cars that are quieter then ever before and you've been complaining that its not enough, that silence seems to be the only answer. I've pointed out that life isn't silent at all, but full of sounds and noise. Whether you like it or not, it doesn't change the facts.

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    15. Re:How about... by smellotron · · Score: 1

      This comment is an obvious attempt by you to lie. You are clearly not interested in an actual discussion on the subject, so the rest is not worth commenting on.

      I don't follow why the GP's post was a lie, can you explain?

      ...there are too many factors that can interfere with [sound] working. From the personal choice of using a walkman...

      I haven't at all argued that the "safety sound" should be audible to anyone listening to a portable music player, so please don't use that argument. Music players are commonly acknowledged as a risk for pedestrians.

  73. Grammar question by gksmith · · Score: 1

    Is the plural of Prius Prii?

    1. Re:Grammar question by Rigrig · · Score: 1

      No, the Latin plural would be "priora". Toyota has said that in English it is simply "Prius" and also that owners are welcome to use whatever they like. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius#Name)

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  74. Road statistics? by gninnor · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that on many of the newer cars I can hear tire noise before I can hear the engine at low speeds. I really would like to see the hybrid and non hybrid accident statistics of two civics. I think that the whole engine noise thing is grasping at a reason why some one gets killed rather than the usual reasons, but I have seen no real proof either way.

  75. Not speakers but microphones... by Beorytis · · Score: 1

    So the driver can hear the sound of pedestrians yelling at him to stop over the stereo or handsfree telephone.

  76. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Since we seem to be goign a bit into what the car would said territory - "NOOO, DON'T CRASH ME!!!...OH, LOOK, A CUSHIONING MEATBAG!!!"?

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  77. Weeds - great for drive-by shootings by brentrad · · Score: 1

    The first thing I thought of when I saw this article was the Showtime show "Weeds". The gangbanger character notices how quiet Nancy Botwin's Prius is, so he orders a bunch for his gang so they can perform drive-by shootings easier - no car noise to warn the rival gang. :)

  78. Is this necessary? by tthomas48 · · Score: 1

    I run and I generally hear cars by the noise they make displacing air and from their tires. Sure I can hear engine noise from compensatory vehicles like F-250s and Harley Davidsons, but most modern vehicles don't have engines that are particularly loud when idling. I live in Austin so I encounter a lot of Priuses and other vehicles and they sound about the same approaching a stop sign.

  79. Sounds good to me by jdparker520 · · Score: 1

    As a cyclist, I appreciate this sort of thing. I've become quite adept at judging the size, speed, and position of cars passing my from behind based on the noise they make. That information is invaluable in telling me if I need to face plant in the ditch to keep from becoming a smear on someone's bumper. Vehicles that make no noise remove that critical source of information that those of us who use the roads while not encased in glass cocoons have come to rely upon.

  80. Maybe not the Best Solution, but a Real Issue by HighFalutinCoder · · Score: 1

    My father has very poor eyesight and is also hard of hearing. He relies on hearing car engines to help him judge his surroundings when walking near or crossing a street. He's mentioned to me that hybrids give him trouble because he can't hear them.

    I don't know that emulating the existing behavior of other cars is the best solution, but this definitely targets a real issue for some people.

  81. The Wildwood Solution by Prototerm · · Score: 1

    I'm reminded of the Tram Cars that traverse the boardwalk in Wildwood, N.J.. Anyone who has ever vacationed there knows well the sound of a woman calling out (via a recording) "Watch the Tram Car, please", since they've been doing that (with the same woman's voice) for at least 50 years now. Since the woman is still alive that recorded it all those years ago, it'd be a hoot to hear her voice coming out of every Prius that passes by.

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  82. When do we get to add...? by Black+Art · · Score: 1

    When do we get to add high powered lasers to alert deaf people to the oncoming Priapus?

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  83. How about some location sensitive ad? by cf18 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On board computer see external temperature > 26C: "McDonald is only 2 block to your south, $1.50 for a cold drink!"
    On board computer detects police radio frequency close by: "Turn left here and you will see Dunkin Donuts in 1 minute!"
    I bet it is already patented.

  84. If you were in latin america... by Superdarion · · Score: 1

    You could program it to say "mamaciiiita" to hot gals on the sidewalks.

  85. Be more creative by sjames · · Score: 1

    Why just some nondescript engine noise? Let the driver choose between Ferrari, F1, log truck, freight train, and George Jetson's bubble car.

  86. Put a warning label on the car. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    My ex-girlfriend has a sticker on the bumper of her Prius that say "I SNEAK UP ON PEOPLE" and has a little stick figure guy being knocked over by the silhouette of a Prius.

    The main problem I have encountered is in parking lots, when drivers start to back up without noticing people walking through the same parking lot. I have actually been hit twice, but both times I managed to jump before impact and not wrench a knee or ankle. Once I flopped on the back of the car, and the other I managed to get a foot on the bumper and push myself out of harm's way. In both cases, the drivers were shocked -- and when that wore off, I was accused of trying to scare them!

    Since the problem largely seems to be with vehicles backing up unexpectedly, why not use an existing standard warning method when backing up -- like a beep? Trucks are so equipped, why not (part- or full-time) electric vehicles?

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    1. Re:Put a warning label on the car. by SilverEyes · · Score: 1

      My Prius beeps annoyingly when I back up - but it's the 2010 model, it doesn't for previous models. It also beeps when you start it, and when people don't buckle up, etc. Googling seems like there are ways to disable it...

      Considering when I last refreshed the comments, I'm sure someone else has already mentioned this.

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    2. Re:Put a warning label on the car. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Or charge careless drivers.

  87. Silent but deadly... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    There is only one kind of silent but deadly. A hybrid car just doesn't smell bad enough due to the low emissions.

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  88. Easy Fix by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

    Use a Tweel instead of a pneumatic tire. I hear their biggest problem is they make noise. Now that is an advantage.

  89. only if the pedestrians are crossing properly by Chirs · · Score: 1

    If the pedestrians are jaywalking, vehicles don't need to yield to them...

    1. Re:only if the pedestrians are crossing properly by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It depends on the jurisdiction. Although jaywalkers can always be penalized for jaywalking, where I live, the driver of a vehicle is always responsible if they should ever hit a pedestrian, whether or not that person was crossing illegally.

      But that is small compensation to the person being hit if their actions should cost them their life.

    2. Re:only if the pedestrians are crossing properly by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      If you run down a pedestrian you could have avoided "He was jaywalking!" is not going to be an effective defense.

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  90. Heinlein predicted it. by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 1

    In one of his later works, "The Cat who Walks through Walls", one of the characters had a car that had recorded sound effects to make it sound "authentic", to match the appearance of a 20th century auto, even though it was a "futuristic" silent car. I've been waiting for this very thing since I heard (if that's the correct word) my friend's first Prius pull into my driveway for a party.

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  91. Correction by carrier+lost · · Score: 1
    ...to alert pedestrians of oncoming Priuses.

    Prii.

  92. The more I hear about the Prius... by kuzb · · Score: 1

    ..the more I'm convinced I never want to own one.

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  93. AWESOME! by Krau+Ming · · Score: 1

    Artificial noise pollution! This is exactly what society has been begging for ever since the decline of young men putting shitty mufflers on their lowered honda civics in an effort to appear fast and/or furious!

  94. 18 is "Yakety Sax" by SpekkioMofW · · Score: 1

    ...and yes, it makes everything funnier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakety_Sax

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  95. Wildwood days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Watch the tram car please!"

  96. Re:Was Toyota thinking "Priapism" when they named by spun · · Score: 1

    Well, hey, the Tesla looks so freaking cool it would still be sexy if it's engine quacked like a duck.

    It would be cool if this package was programmable, and you could make it sound like anything, like a pod racer, or the car from the Jetson's...

    Hey, wait a minute... [shakes fist] LUUUUUCAAAAAS!

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  97. A problem created/resolved and zombified by vlueboy · · Score: 1

    Putting car noise aside, it's annoying that companies have a fixation with arguably unnecessary feedback noises.

    Want to IM someone?
    ICQ99 used to have a typewriter clacking at each key pressed

    Need a cellphone?
    here's some loud key beeps

    Need a digital camera?
    here's some louder-than life camera shutter noises [protects us from 3rd party snooping, but analog cams used to be quieter and never configurable to actually chirp like the figurative flashtime "birdie"]

    Need a PC?
    here's some loud click noises just to assure you that Internet Explorer hyperlink is processing your hyperlink over that slow ISP connection

    Now that cars are quiet, Toyota has decided to start a malicious wave of charging A LOT in hopes that all other car makers bringing quiet cars copy their move. Supposing this happens, 80 years from now our kids will still be going deaf from simulated car noise.

    I think I just missed a chance for unnecessary car analogies :)

  98. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by greeze · · Score: 1

    I was going to say a Swiss Warbler, but I like the vuvuzela idea better.

  99. Why not Active Noise Control (Antinoise)? by cpghost · · Score: 1

    Actually, active noise control may be interesting, especially if the antinoise cancels out all ambient sound, and not just the sound from the car. This way, that car would be noticeable by the sudden cone of silence surrounding it.

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    1. Re:Why not Active Noise Control (Antinoise)? by SilverEyes · · Score: 1

      Given your reference I must point out that cones originate outward from a corner in your space, making it impossible to surround oneself with a cone. (But silence is a radius effect... at least 2nd edition and afterwards, earlier editions, idk).

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  100. Signals don't need to be audible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely there are smarter options. How about mandating that EVs have to emit some sort of radio signal. People who want to be warned of oncoming vehicles would have to carry a little receiver (Build it into mobiles?) that would process the signals and warn the user if appropriate. The warning could be audible, or could be vibrations, or electric shock - whatever floats your boat.

    So if you're dining al fresco, you don't have to hear all the cars going past. But if you get up and walk closer to the traffic, you'll start being notified of potential threats. This way, you don't have to 'hear' vehicles that are moving away from you.

  101. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by sharkey · · Score: 1

    When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa did. Not soiling myself and screaming in terror like his passengers.

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  102. Makes sense by Trogre · · Score: 1

    All cars are required by law to have headlights operating when visibility is poor for two reasons:

    1. So the driver can see the road and potential hazards ahead.
    2. So other road users can see the car.

    Point 2 above is important - a car must be seen by potential roadkill. Likewise, a car must also be heard.

    Therefore all cars should be required to produce some level of sound. If the engine/motor/tyres are too quiet to be heard from say 50m away by a pedestrian then some kind of substitute is absolutely necessary.

    Now the trick comes in finding an appropriate sound that serves the required purpose while being as least annoying as possible.

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  103. Semi's and Cement trucks by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

    Just when you think quiet electric cars are going to help diminish the noise pollution problem, they go and do this.

    speaking as someone who rode public transit every day for about 1.7 years in total through my college experience (5 semesters), I heartily support this. It's incredibly obnoxious walking to the subway stop at 8am in the morning and getting a several wheels' worth of worn out extremely loud screeching breaks right in your ear, followed by a deafeningly roaring diesel engine, followed by a mouth full of diesel exhaust.

    I got some in-ear monitors to combat this, but not everyone riding public transit is getting paid $18/hour like I was and can afford to drop $100 on the headphones. In case you ask, the rest of the money was going to college, couldn't afford a car, but yes I could afford one set of $100 earplug-headphones.

  104. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

    A playing card in the rims could do that for a lot less, and I'll wager the drag would cost less than the energy drain of the speaker system too....

    are we really worrying about the 30 watt energy drain? Why not just make everyone drive a 130hp car?

  105. Can it play fire truck sirens? by h00manist · · Score: 1

    Actually these external speakers might make it to the mainstream. You can talk to pedestrians, the guy in the car in front, play siren sounds, music.

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    1. Re:Can it play fire truck sirens? by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      You can talk to ... the guy in the car in front

      There's really only one thing I've ever wanted to say to the guy in the car in front, and that's "Speed up or get the hell out of this lane dipshit."

      Anything else is just gravy.

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    2. Re:Can it play fire truck sirens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like an angry person. Maybe you shouldn't drive.

  106. Cars are dangerous, period by h00manist · · Score: 1

    I find so many problems with private cars I think they should be outlawed. Risks is one of them. http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

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  107. As an avid cyclist... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    As an avid cyclist, I often have to ride long stretches amongst traffic. Often times there's no cars on the road and then a single car will pass me on a lone stretch of road. If I hear the car coming, I can move more to the right of the road/bicycle lane. Prius' just come up with no warning.

    In california, motorcycles are allowed to "lane split", hearing their engine (either the rumble of a cruiser or the street bike reving it's engine while it sneaks through the traffic, allows me to move a bit over to the side of my lane to give them a few extra inches to avoid hitting my mirrors.

    1. Re:As an avid cyclist... by Rozzin · · Score: 1

      As an avid cyclist, I often have to ride long stretches amongst traffic. Often times there's no cars on the road and then a single car will pass me on a lone stretch of road. If I hear the car coming, I can move more to the right of the road/bicycle lane. Prius' just come up with no warning.

      People driving in cars actual have exactly that same issue with other people driving in cars. We can't hear them coming, either--and I mean we can't hear *any* of them. The solution we've found is to attach rear-view mirrors to our cars, keep an eye on them, and always explicitly check them before attempting to move out of our lane.

      There are such mirrors available for bicycles, also.

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  108. You are an annoying pussy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stay away from cars if you don't like them.

    If you get in a car, you accept the risk that goes along with it. Nobody is forcing you to buy or use a car. Check your pants, no doubt your balls are long gone.

  109. Not New... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The garbage trucks in Japan already yell at you to get out of the way. I thought that was normal for Japan.

  110. "I am electric." by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Now, that's a lotta smug.

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  111. The plural? by schizz69 · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't the plural of Prius be Priusii? As in a carpark full of Priusii

  112. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by GSV+Eat+Me+Reality · · Score: 1

      "My grand-dad died peacefully at 102 years of age, unlike the screaming passengers in his car." - ? :-D

  113. To all the naive people out there.... by robfromnyc · · Score: 1

    There are blind people out there. The blind rely on the sounds of traffic to know when it's safe to cross. The Prius, Insight, etc. are too quiet for the blind to know if these vehicles are coming. This external speaker should be standard on hybrids.

  114. Oh Noes! by PPH · · Score: 1

    I'm being pursued by a sewing machine!

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  115. look out! by sohp · · Score: 1

    There was a time, in the early days of "horseless carriages" when the law required that a person on foot carrying a flag precede the presumably scary, steam-huffing monstrosity, to warn the pedestrians and horses that the oncoming fuming and chuffing machine of the devil was approaching.

  116. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah too bad it doesn't work properly :-/ They will get there eventually though

    (I drive a Volvo and would probably buy one for my next cars aswell)

  117. Just GREAT by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    .... as if we don't have enough noise pollution as it is. Oh well, if you're the type of guy who installs custom tailpipes, or can't fix your broken ones, maybe a Prius isn't for you in any case.

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  118. Japanese trucks do it already by LifesRoadie · · Score: 1

    Adding to the cacophony that is a city. Trucks in japan have a speaker system as well as indicators for when they are turning. They say, "migi kudasai" (left please) or something because it's done in a cutsey wootsey girls voice and is hard to understand. But everyone ignores them. You have to or run screaming home with your hands over your ears, there's just so much noise. You just filter it out.

    Toyota, working in isolation - a good idea for the marketing department, totally useless in real life.

    Obesa cantavit!

  119. Been there, done that, the Prius isn't silent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have walked across the street (in a cross walk) and had a prius drive up and stop while I was doing this. I certainly heard it come up, and the Prius was definitely running on battery at the time. The sound was a bit high pitched and squeaky but very audible.

    I recommend those who are afraid of getting hit by the Prius get out of their cars and walk from time to time.

  120. Disguise body by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    And while they are pimping it up, they should consider disguising the horrific body work too. Maybe provide a cover with a picture of a nicer looking car. Any truck would do. The Prius probably has the most hateful body work on the planet. Even a Trabant looks appealing when compared with a Prius.

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  121. What more could Toyota do to cripple the hybrid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if paying out of the arse wasn't enough, you're driving something less efficient than competition, that looks as ugly as sin and now if you buy a new one, it's going to sound like something straight off the line at Henry Ford's plant? Wake up and smell the sewage.. this isn't a revolution in design, it's a revolution in marketing. Electric vehicles may be the future, but the future most certainly isn't now.

  122. "U-Turn taught me to Drive-By" by Heretic2 · · Score: 1

    How's Nancy Botwin gonna cap a bitch if they can hear her coming?

  123. I have one too ... by SlashDev · · Score: 1

    ... in my Prius, it's called a horn.

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  124. META: signature by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    "We believe that Internet Explorer is a really good browser" - Steve Jobs, 1997

    I assume you're teasing Mr. Jobs on this. At one time, IE on the Mac was the best browser around. by definition, didn't have ActiveX security errors. This was obviously quite some time ago.

    1. Re:META: signature by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I assume you're teasing Mr. Jobs on this. At one time, IE on the Mac was the best browser around. by definition, didn't have ActiveX security errors. This was obviously quite some time ago.

      It would be pure hubris to believe that Jobs reads Slashdot posts from a guy who uses the alias Rockoon.

      This quote is from Jobs during his annual Mac World address in 1997, where he introduced Bill Gates himself, who talked to the crowd of angry Apple fans that booed and hissed at not only Bill, but also the announcement that Internet Explorer would be shipped with new Mac's.

      Jobs didnt have Bill talking to an angry Mac World because they were including Internet Explorer. He had Bill there because Microsoft just agreed to save Apple from ruin. Apple was in very very dire financial straights at the time, and Internet Explorer wasn't on the agenda because it was 'good' .. it was on the agenda because 'they were fucked.'

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  125. Electic motor noise by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    The noise from the electric motor (the whine) is as loud as an underpowered Corolla's tiny 4-cylinder gas engine.

    I suggest we all buy those "fart-cannon" over-sized loud mufflers that are popular with people in the demographic of age 18-19.

  126. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by ejasons · · Score: 1

    'Tis funnier if you say "died peacefully in his sleep", IMO...

  127. Re:$148? How about bicycle tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you got that mixed up: Toyota's stop just fine, it's the damned vuvzela PLAYERS and Toyota DRIVERS who can't stop.

  128. Prius Sound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A long tima ago, we Prius owners decided we wanted the sound the Jetsons car makes.

  129. Am I the only hybrid owner here? by Custard · · Score: 1

    Browsing at "3" I seem to be the only hybrid owner commenting.

    I *very* much want this feature on my Nissan hybrid. Not just for the benefit of the pedestrians, I have certainly been startled by hybrids sneaking up on me, but for selfish reasons.

    Often in parking lots people walk down the middle of the driving area. If they hear a car they naturally move to the side so the driver can pass. If they can't hear you, they keep walking down the middle. Just this morning I was stuck turning into a driveway because someone was standing in the middle of the entry yelling to another person. My choice was to wait, and risk being hit by another car, or honk and be a jerk. If my car made a little noise that wouldn't have happened. I want a little noise to move people out of my way.

    Personally I want my car to play the Portal song.

  130. Camera clicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For that, at least in Japan, the noisemakers on cell phone cameras became a legal requirement after their use became all too popular among unsavory individuals in the ladies shower/restroom/etc.

    I think it may have even been discussed on /.

    So the lame reason for which it exists may not be the same lame reason you think it is.

  131. I just imagine that... by hotfireball · · Score: 1

    OMG, that's bad news, actually. In Japan there is no noise pollution law. Apart from other annoying activities, they already doing it now for years in many vehicles, when some car supposed to turn left in order not to harm a bike drivers that silently coming on the left side. A tiny manga-anime-like high-pitch voice repeatedly tells you something like: "Careful, I am turning left. Careful, I am turning left. Careful, I am turning left..." (unless turned off). But now it will also probably say forever all the time (imagine in Engrish, as usual): "Calefur, I am coming. Calefur, I am coming. Calefur, I am coming!". "I told you I am coming, you idiot. I told you I am coming, you idiot. I told you I am coming, you idiot.".... :-)

  132. Re:What does it play when acceleratng uncontrollab by GSV+Eat+Me+Reality · · Score: 1

      It gets the point across ;-)