To a libertarian, "the government" is just another bunch of people
It is my understanding that to the libertarians, "the government" is the most evil bunch of people, as opposed to big corporations, who are always a good bunch of people, no matter of hard they hit your privacy and freedom of speech.
Their options are getting pretty limited. Maybe they should rename themselves to SGILinux and start an IPO... wait they're already public... nevermind.
The truely prosperous EU countries do not have such laws.
What are the truely prosperous EU countries? Which ones are they? The only country which is lax on these privacy issues that I know of is UK, and they're not the most prosperous. Just in the average, most likely.
First he alluded to getting AIDS from hormone enhanced beef. I won't even bother touching this since it would be simply insane to believe anyone could catch AIDS from eating beef.
LOL! I never said that. Since you seem to be neuronly impaired, let me expand: in the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, people would downplay the danger, except a few Cassandras. Now... how many poor soul caught AIDS from transfused blood? People believed the risk was negligible from transfusion. It was'nt proved that AIDS could be transmissible from transfusion, mind you!!! But of course, it wasn't proved that it could'nt either!
So now there is no proven danger with hormoned beef, but there is no proof of the contrary either... wanna bet? The amount of the bet is... your life. Still want that steak?
Now, the saddest part in the whole thing is that we don't need those hormons! In the EU alone, there is a mass overproduction of beef. Do we really need to risk the people's life to make EVEN MORE of it?
And you don't want the US beef industry to be in danger. Fine. Why don't you want them to play by the same, sane rules of the european industry? Same rules. Let the more competitive win. But not by dirty trick, especially when it's MY LIFE at stake, I don't wanna look like an overweight merkin couch potatoe.
Every pro US/libertarian comment gets +1 systematically. Including this one (#109), which is totally wrong, since the original article in german is about an INVESTIGATION -- to study the matter -- and not about the beginning of an actual embargo. Few of the comments in favor of EU sovereignty, mostly from European posters BTW, even the most insightful ones, got moderate significantly. What's this bias?
And I wanted to add, for GMO, the side effects won't appear until after a few, if not several years after they've been introduced! Obviously, there is no long term analysis of them since it's rather new.
Just because the masses caused a stir about a product and now it's baned isn't neccisarily something to be proud of. Since, as you mentioned, the US has been using these foods for quite a while and there's no problem, I'd say that We (The US) were right on this one, and didn't give in to panic.
No problem? How do you know it? Is there any long term proof? Personally I don't think GMO are most of a threat for the health, however they might be one for the environment, one has been proven to be dangerous to a kind of butterfly, and other might have other environmental side effects. Now, talking about hormon-beefed up beef, well just consider how many americans are overweight and compare the stat with the European one, then we can talk.
for themselves! Not I'm not talking about Intel chips, I'm talking about HORMON ENHANCED BEEF. It's strictly forbidden to produce such beef in Europe, and the EU has forbidden importing american beef because of it. Recently, the World Trade Organisation has approved of US commercial repraisal, since, according to it, there is no scientific proof that feeding beef with those hormons is harmful. BUT THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER THAT IT IS HARMLESS! In doubt, most EU citizen are not willing to take the risk -- AIDS and BSE, anyone? On top of that, and here lies the real injustice, EU is willing to authorize american beef, as long as it is produced without the hormons. Thus competition is preserved since everybody is on the same playing field. So why not let the market decide? First of all, for the customer to decide, they have to be able to choose! But... big but... mandating a warning label on the products will likely be considered anticompetitive. And also, when you go to a restaurant or buy precooked food, it will be unlikely that you will have any mean to check it. Now, you might argue that american are eating that crap^H^H^H^H^food,... well let me just remind you that americans are WAY fatter than europeans (on average), just like their cows! Enough to be alarmed. Then, to keep this on-topic: we have american libertarian complaining about this EU investigation, and apparently, all the european posters supporting it. See a pattern? Mind your fucking business! Most europeans are happy with this kind of government intervention. You don't want that in the US? You don't have it anyway!
if the EU threatens a ban on PIIIs? Their serial number will be effectively removed. Case solved. If you believe than the free market can resolve all these issues by itself (and it hasn't obviously since this SN thingie has had LOTS of BAD publicity for months, and Intel is STILL doing it), well I have a nice bridge with a cool "TRUSTe" logo you might be interested to acquire. Also: Nic cards NEED to have a unique ID to operate. Plus you can program it on some cards. And Sun workstations are quite a limited number, as opposed to Intel's quasi monopole, and are NOT a consumer product.
Not only it went over budget, but many companies and government collapsed in France at the time. There was also some ranchor as the french who invested in it never get any money back, while the americans got all the benefits.
not to contribute. Whether RedHat or VA Linux or any other free software company make big bucks just does not make any difference with your life, does it? I find it funny... you're complaining because some people are making shitloads of money. I understand why: it's because, usually, when someone makes lots of money, somebody loses lots of money, or a lot of people lose a little money. That's not the case here -- nobody's hurt. So why complain? I don't get it.
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To a libertarian, "the government" is just another bunch of people
It is my understanding that to the libertarians, "the government" is the most evil bunch of people, as opposed to big corporations, who are always a good bunch of people, no matter of hard they hit your privacy and freedom of speech.
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It is significantly harder to get credit anywhere in Europe, more so in countries which are 'stricter'.
WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU INVENT THIS PIECE OF CRAP????
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The truely prosperous EU countries do not have such laws.
What are the truely prosperous EU countries? Which ones are they? The only country which is lax on these privacy issues that I know of is UK, and they're not the most prosperous. Just in the average, most likely.
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First he alluded to getting AIDS from hormone enhanced beef. I won't even bother touching this since it would be simply insane to believe anyone could catch AIDS from eating beef.
LOL! I never said that. Since you seem to be neuronly impaired, let me expand: in the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, people would downplay the danger, except a few Cassandras. Now ... how many poor soul caught AIDS from transfused blood? People believed the risk was negligible from transfusion. It was'nt proved that AIDS could be transmissible from transfusion, mind you!!! But of course, it wasn't proved that it could'nt either!
So now there is no proven danger with hormoned beef, but there is no proof of the contrary either ... wanna bet? The amount of the bet is ... your life. Still want that steak?
Now, the saddest part in the whole thing is that we don't need those hormons! In the EU alone, there is a mass overproduction of beef. Do we really need to risk the people's life to make EVEN MORE of it?
And you don't want the US beef industry to be in danger. Fine. Why don't you want them to play by the same, sane rules of the european industry? Same rules. Let the more competitive win. But not by dirty trick, especially when it's MY LIFE at stake, I don't wanna look like an overweight merkin couch potatoe.
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Few of the comments in favor of EU sovereignty, mostly from European posters BTW, even the most insightful ones, got moderate significantly.
What's this bias?
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Just because the masses caused a stir about a product and now it's baned isn't neccisarily something to be proud of. Since, as you mentioned, the US has been using these foods for quite a while and there's no problem, I'd say that We (The US) were right on this one, and didn't give in to panic.
No problem? How do you know it? Is there any long term proof? Personally I don't think GMO are most of a threat for the health, however they might be one for the environment, one has been proven to be dangerous to a kind of butterfly, and other might have other environmental side effects. Now, talking about hormon-beefed up beef, well just consider how many americans are overweight and compare the stat with the European one, then we can talk.
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Not I'm not talking about Intel chips, I'm talking about HORMON ENHANCED BEEF. It's strictly forbidden to produce such beef in Europe, and the EU has forbidden importing american beef because of it.
Recently, the World Trade Organisation has approved of US commercial repraisal, since, according to it, there is no scientific proof that feeding beef with those hormons is harmful. BUT THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER THAT IT IS HARMLESS! In doubt, most EU citizen are not willing to take the risk -- AIDS and BSE, anyone?
On top of that, and here lies the real injustice, EU is willing to authorize american beef, as long as it is produced without the hormons. Thus competition is preserved since everybody is on the same playing field.
So why not let the market decide? First of all, for the customer to decide, they have to be able to choose! But
Now, you might argue that american are eating that crap^H^H^H^H^food,
Then, to keep this on-topic: we have american libertarian complaining about this EU investigation, and apparently, all the european posters supporting it. See a pattern? Mind your fucking business! Most europeans are happy with this kind of government intervention. You don't want that in the US? You don't have it anyway!
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Do I have your permission to call you stupid?
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I guess you're much better informed than EU officials.
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