It would be nice if you could dig for the bad module;)) Take one cube away, reattach it somewhere else, take the next cube, reattach, until you find the bad module; then - replace it and take all the "displaced" cubes back. That would be nice:)
Java applets however, are my personal pet hate. I haven't had java enabled in a browser for years as it seemed to crash everything I ever tried it on, so now sites that STILL use lame java buttons for simple rollover effects are simply unusable to me.
I'm with you on this one:) I've never felt the need to enable java on my browsers. Except for the rare cases when I use IE to browse the web, I never enable JRE. So, if any of you readers ever get the idea to create a Java-based site -- think again;)
Well, I'm being too harsh. Everybody's free to use whatever tools one wishes. If you like java and trust your audience likes java too and has the techincal capability to enjoy it... go ahead. It's just that Java's way less popular than Flash these days. I can't wait to get the SVG thing going though...
Not that I disagree with your basic point about competition, but Mozilla didn't get better because of Konqueror. It got better because of Internet Explorer.
I did not mean to imply that Mozilla got better solely due to Konqueror, but it certainly had a good influence. And I don't think that something as closed and as unpenetratable as IE might have influenced anything but the developer's ambition.
About Konqueror -- be honest, it's a lot better than anything up to mozilla 0.7. It's getting better everyday too.
Let us not forget that mozilla afterall is not just the pure result of OpenSource development - it had a let's call it "unfair advantage" (or disadvantage?!?:)) branching off Netscape 5. Konqueror otoh is 100% OSS contributed, at least afaik.
Well, the beginnings of OpenOffice were not very opensource, you know... This is the second time that a closed source project is brought to the OpenSource world and I think that those guys did a pretty good job with OpenOffice. I know a few ugly bugs in StarOffice 6.0beta that have been dealt with in 641D.
Ehem!:) Gnome - KDE. Mozilla - Konqueror. All sorts of OSS projects collide and compete. And it's all for the best. Because, evermore than in real economics, OSS WANTS competition.
Did you see how Mozilla got so much better? I've been so busy admiring mozilla's progress that one day it hit me in the face just how wonderful and fast Konqueror is. I did not switch to Konqueror, but I do use it once in a while and I certainly would not mind browsing the web with Konqueror.
The same with KDE. Once upon a time I was stupid enough to consider both KDE and Gnome a total waste (that was back in the GNOME 1.0 ages). Then I've upgraded my computer and fell in love with Gnome. Every time I saw KDE's face I would turn my face in desgust -- I was a GNOME guy! Only recenty have I been able to lift my head and see the Reality: Gnome and KDE are both mature and wonderful projects that have benefitted immensely from one-another. Just like mozilla and konqueror. And I hear that those guys working on gtkhtml are doing some wonderful progress. Am I wrong? There's always room for a third HTML renderer.;) So we'd have (Barque/Encompass vs Mozilla/Galeon vs Konqueror) VS ( the rest of the world );))
First of all -- this is NOT bashing. SO6 is GREAT software, great FREE software. If I was to add at the end of this message something along the lines "Sun is stinkin' rat for not solving such simple issues", then yes, I would be a fool and a basher. But again, SO is great free software (actually, not free anymore;))
Now the problems: (Linux setup)
Problem no. 1 - Fonts for ISO8859-2 (EE). By default, when printing docs that use ISO8859-2 chars, SO does some font substitution that really messes the page. That can be disabled, just spadmin and do some printer configuration. One can also add new TT fonts that contain ISO8859-2 (not all of the default do). That does not solve all the problems; for some strange reason the printing messes up the position of ISO8859-2 chars at seemingly random times.
Problem no. 2: When opening URLs (yes, that can be done:) And it works great in most cases!), some pages make SO crash. Actually, it doesn't crash, it just hangs.
Well, then there is this quite high footprint and it takes like forever to start up, even on really up-to-date systems (read 1.2GHz, 512Mb DDR).
Then again, I just can't wait to buy (yes! buy!) the final SO6 when it will go out. Of course, they will have to be pretty convincing that they want my money (added value on top of OO).
Seriously, it's adaptation to your surroundings not mutation, it's not like the games are hacking up the poor kids index finger or something.
I think the term "mutation" applies to nauturally caused adaptions too. Or maybe I got this thing the other way around -- adaption is the beneficial selection of natural mutations...:))
Evolution (as in "altering of physical form of whole populations of individuals due to external factors") seems much more likely to happen over a few generations. The "old school" is teaching us that evolution is happening only on course of hundeds or thousands of generations. This may not be the case actually.
Artificial breeding is another example of very fast changes in the gene pool of populations.
What kind of believer calls himself "Pussy Is Money"?
Well, you might be surprised... Not every person out there is clinically sane, you know...;))
But your argument is like a cardboard template. Bell rings, georgeb drools.
Nono, backup a minute, okay!
georgeb: Medicine succeeded implanting neat, non-organic stuff inside organic, live human beings PIM: I sure would like to stick a pacemaker in your chest, you dumb fuck! How can you call pacemakers "neat"? georgeb: What? Of course they are neat! they are life saviours, they do the job and my grandpa's alive! PIM: Come on, that fuckin' retard you call "grandpa" should be dead according to natural selection laws. He's eating my peanuts! And, further more, death is not the fuckin' end of life! It's the beginning of a beautiful trip you know (kiddo)! georgeb: Excuse me! I surely will not go see a doctor after your illuminating my mind on this issue, man! PIM: Ya, you may not be totally dead-brain, so I will not say that you're a stupid fuck that speaks with his sfincter, though this is my sincere belief... What I meant to say is that shit happens, healthcare system included. Expenses are high, results not always that good. Just look up the numbers, you figure it.
Man, OF COURSE shit happens. OF COURSE there are bad doctors out there that fuck up lives, OF COURSE there are corporate interests that sometimes subminate even moral concerns... but, dear PIM, that does not mean that one should not admire pacemakers and cochlear implants for the marvels of science that they are...
well... I really would like to see the 1Mb machine that runs the Linux kernel;))) That would definitely be "embeded" by nowadays standards. How does linux 2.4 (vanilla) handle such low-resource machines? I remember I had quite some problems on 4Mb with older Linuxes... is it feasable to run anything on top of such a system with recent kernels?
Thanks for the confirmation. I agree that 7.x is annoying with all the printing problems. I have seen some attempts at getting cups in rawhide. Wait a minute... but cups IS part of skipjack! So is postfix 1.1.4, so is vsftpd. Along with their old counterparts - LPRng, sendmail and wu-ftpd.
Maybe it's me, but that's a lot of choice we're being given. I surely am glad.
People, people, stop building houses, stop EATING! Stop Fucking, kill your children and come along with me to the Other Side! The Realm of God all mighty, the One that judges and punishes old poeple with weak hearts that need pacemakers...
Why the hell struggle then, let all sick people die or healthen with their on powers. All this Medicine stuff is crap according to this fuckin' belief of yours.
I sure don't want to be a part of your "god"'s plan...
Wanna bet a thousand bucks that when you NEED a pacemaker you will find it neat, cool, and everything that goes with that?
What's wrong with you? Don't you want people to benefit life-saving technology? For God's sake, people actually BENEFIT this stuff, it's not some sort of perv twisted SM that "feels high" with gadgets operating inside heart, skull, etc.
But people integrate organic and non-organic all the time! Look at all the implants out there. People carry pacemakers in their hearts and cohlear implants in their skulls, and all sorts of really neat mechanical, electric and electronic stuff in their bodies.
Sure, no implant lasts forever, every now and then one must replace the "equipment";)
the gnome people dont give a fuck for bugreports. if you report a bug they mark it TROLL. at least you need to use their bugzilla crap where one needs a PhD to understand howto use it. for me gnome developers are ignorant assholes and hopefully one day they fall really hard to the ground from their pridefull high position. not necessary in gnome or linux world but maybe in real life so the effect is much harder.
Curious. I find it quite trivial to SUBMIT a bug to bugzilla.gnome.org. I find it easy to SEARCH the bug database too, so you can check if someone has submitted your bug already.
Maybe your understanding of the word "PhD" is different from the common people...
Have you thought about WHY do the gnome developers mark your bugreports as troll? I guess that if you report something like "GNOME IS CRAP AND YOU WILL ALL BE DOOMED TO HELL" to bugzilla, then maybe they are right to consider you a troll... Cosider reading a bugreporting howto and some etiquette refferences
My advice would be to only use the Red-Carpet snapshots on a machine you're willing to lose.
Isn't that the common meaning of "beta" or "snapshot"? Oh well, I know we got used to having beta-released projects that are stable enough by closed-source standards to be sold out, but I have the feeling that in the desktop world, things are less likely to be bug-free without huge cummunity support (bug reporting and hard bashing).
So I say anytime you think about testing beta software, think about that dusty box in the corner of the room..
Except that in the US, certified mail is specifically a service of the US Postal Service.
...
Not delivering certified mail and forginf the signature on the receipt is an easy way to get fired from your cushy government job.
Yes, this is the case in other countries too. But believe me, I have heard worse...
My company once complained to one of the providers about a lost invoice only to find that the providers had sent to proforma and got the confirmation reciept. No postman came to our company's door though...
Well, that was easily solved, the accountants agreed for a second invoice to be emitted and that was it, but when it comes to lawsuits... what's worse -- some postman losing his job or some fellow learning about the lawsuit when it's too late?
1) Murphy lies about not recieving the lawsuit notice
2) The Company(tm) provided false documents about the letter reciept
3) The mail company provided false documents about the letter reciept
I incline to believe the third one. Anyhow, if Murphy is being truthful, he has a case here;)
I find this fair. Slashdot gets paid either be advertisers or by users. We're given a choice and that is Good.
Addons for subscribers... oh, that REALLY depends on the addons we're talking about. I'm not sure having special subscriber priviliges is a good thing, just think how stupid it would be to buy positive moderations...
Well, since important figures high up there wish so hard for control over hardware and software, maybe, at least once upon a time, crypto was secure even from the government....
Just a guess.
The fact is I find it a bit awkward for/. to run a review of this kind. It's natural that one should think twice before doing something that may sound like "Look ma, i'm on teevee!"
just my 2c, and my very sincere reaction...
btw, I like both/. and slashcode, it really has nothing to do with that. I probably never manage to set up something this size and complexity...
(could not resist)
This is selfpromotion or what...
As much as I like./ and its backend... i can't help having this view of - say - a chineese newspaper article: scientist analyses communism and finds it good.
I find that StarOffice supports EE languages pretty well, if given propper fonts. The ones that are bundled with the suite are pretty useless, that's true. Also don't forget to disable font translation in the printers setup, because the printer fonts do not support EE character tables and StarOffice makes some messy replacements that render slightly different fonts for non-latin1 characters.
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It would be nice if you could dig for the bad module ;)) Take one cube away, reattach it somewhere else, take the next cube, reattach, until you find the bad module; then - replace it and take all the "displaced" cubes back. That would be nice :)
Java applets however, are my personal pet hate. I haven't had java enabled in a browser for years as it seemed to crash everything I ever tried it on, so now sites that STILL use lame java buttons for simple rollover effects are simply unusable to me.
:) I've never felt the need to enable java on my browsers. Except for the rare cases when I use IE to browse the web, I never enable JRE. So, if any of you readers ever get the idea to create a Java-based site -- think again ;)
I'm with you on this one
Well, I'm being too harsh. Everybody's free to use whatever tools one wishes. If you like java and trust your audience likes java too and has the techincal capability to enjoy it... go ahead. It's just that Java's way less popular than Flash these days. I can't wait to get the SVG thing going though...
Not that I disagree with your basic point about competition, but Mozilla didn't get better because of Konqueror. It got better because of Internet Explorer.
:)) branching off Netscape 5. Konqueror otoh is 100% OSS contributed, at least afaik.
I did not mean to imply that Mozilla got better solely due to Konqueror, but it certainly had a good influence. And I don't think that something as closed and as unpenetratable as IE might have influenced anything but the developer's ambition.
About Konqueror -- be honest, it's a lot better than anything up to mozilla 0.7. It's getting better everyday too.
Let us not forget that mozilla afterall is not just the pure result of OpenSource development - it had a let's call it "unfair advantage" (or disadvantage?!?
Well, the beginnings of OpenOffice were not very opensource, you know... This is the second time that a closed source project is brought to the OpenSource world and I think that those guys did a pretty good job with OpenOffice. I know a few ugly bugs in StarOffice 6.0beta that have been dealt with in 641D.
Ehem! :) Gnome - KDE. Mozilla - Konqueror. All sorts of OSS projects collide and compete. And it's all for the best. Because, evermore than in real economics, OSS WANTS competition.
;) So we'd have (Barque/Encompass vs Mozilla/Galeon vs Konqueror) VS ( the rest of the world ) ;))
Did you see how Mozilla got so much better? I've been so busy admiring mozilla's progress that one day it hit me in the face just how wonderful and fast Konqueror is. I did not switch to Konqueror, but I do use it once in a while and I certainly would not mind browsing the web with Konqueror.
The same with KDE. Once upon a time I was stupid enough to consider both KDE and Gnome a total waste (that was back in the GNOME 1.0 ages). Then I've upgraded my computer and fell in love with Gnome. Every time I saw KDE's face I would turn my face in desgust -- I was a GNOME guy! Only recenty have I been able to lift my head and see the Reality: Gnome and KDE are both mature and wonderful projects that have benefitted immensely from one-another. Just like mozilla and konqueror. And I hear that those guys working on gtkhtml are doing some wonderful progress. Am I wrong? There's always room for a third HTML renderer.
That's competition!
First of all -- this is NOT bashing. SO6 is GREAT software, great FREE software. If I was to add at the end of this message something along the lines "Sun is stinkin' rat for not solving such simple issues", then yes, I would be a fool and a basher. But again, SO is great free software (actually, not free anymore ;))
:) And it works great in most cases!), some pages make SO crash. Actually, it doesn't crash, it just hangs.
Now the problems: (Linux setup)
Problem no. 1 - Fonts for ISO8859-2 (EE). By default, when printing docs that use ISO8859-2 chars, SO does some font substitution that really messes the page. That can be disabled, just spadmin and do some printer configuration. One can also add new TT fonts that contain ISO8859-2 (not all of the default do). That does not solve all the problems; for some strange reason the printing messes up the position of ISO8859-2 chars at seemingly random times.
Problem no. 2: When opening URLs (yes, that can be done
Well, then there is this quite high footprint and it takes like forever to start up, even on really up-to-date systems (read 1.2GHz, 512Mb DDR).
Then again, I just can't wait to buy (yes! buy!) the final SO6 when it will go out. Of course, they will have to be pretty convincing that they want my money (added value on top of OO).
Good. CDs are safer than IBM IDE hdds i hear... ;))
Seriously, it's adaptation to your surroundings not mutation, it's not like the games are hacking up the poor kids index finger or something.
:))
I think the term "mutation" applies to nauturally caused adaptions too. Or maybe I got this thing the other way around -- adaption is the beneficial selection of natural mutations...
Evolution (as in "altering of physical form of whole populations of individuals due to external factors") seems much more likely to happen over a few generations. The "old school" is teaching us that evolution is happening only on course of hundeds or thousands of generations. This may not be the case actually.
Artificial breeding is another example of very fast changes in the gene pool of populations.
What kind of believer calls himself "Pussy Is Money"?
;))
Well, you might be surprised... Not every person out there is clinically sane, you know...
But your argument is like a cardboard template. Bell rings, georgeb drools.
Nono, backup a minute, okay!
georgeb: Medicine succeeded implanting neat, non-organic stuff inside organic, live human beings
PIM: I sure would like to stick a pacemaker in your chest, you dumb fuck! How can you call pacemakers "neat"?
georgeb: What? Of course they are neat! they are life saviours, they do the job and my grandpa's alive!
PIM: Come on, that fuckin' retard you call "grandpa" should be dead according to natural selection laws. He's eating my peanuts! And, further more, death is not the fuckin' end of life! It's the beginning of a beautiful trip you know (kiddo)!
georgeb: Excuse me! I surely will not go see a doctor after your illuminating my mind on this issue, man!
PIM: Ya, you may not be totally dead-brain, so I will not say that you're a stupid fuck that speaks with his sfincter, though this is my sincere belief... What I meant to say is that shit happens, healthcare system included. Expenses are high, results not always that good. Just look up the numbers, you figure it.
Man, OF COURSE shit happens. OF COURSE there are bad doctors out there that fuck up lives, OF COURSE there are corporate interests that sometimes subminate even moral concerns... but, dear PIM, that does not mean that one should not admire pacemakers and cochlear implants for the marvels of science that they are...
* Linux: 386/16 with 1 MB RAM
;))) That would definitely be "embeded" by nowadays standards. How does linux 2.4 (vanilla) handle such low-resource machines? I remember I had quite some problems on 4Mb with older Linuxes... is it feasable to run anything on top of such a system with recent kernels?
well... I really would like to see the 1Mb machine that runs the Linux kernel
Thanks for the confirmation. I agree that 7.x is annoying with all the printing problems. I have seen some attempts at getting cups in rawhide. Wait a minute... but cups IS part of skipjack! So is postfix 1.1.4, so is vsftpd. Along with their old counterparts - LPRng, sendmail and wu-ftpd.
Maybe it's me, but that's a lot of choice we're being given. I surely am glad.
That's curious, 7.2 was over 7G with everything I needed (read: mp3s, porn, Windows installed inside vmware)...
And even stranger, the very same 7.2 was just under 0.6G with everything my server needed!
What package do you need today?
Hey, Doc, come quick! We got a believer here!
People, people, stop building houses, stop EATING! Stop Fucking, kill your children and come along with me to the Other Side! The Realm of God all mighty, the One that judges and punishes old poeple with weak hearts that need pacemakers...
Why the hell struggle then, let all sick people die or healthen with their on powers. All this Medicine stuff is crap according to this fuckin' belief of yours.
I sure don't want to be a part of your "god"'s plan...
Wanna bet a thousand bucks that when you NEED a pacemaker you will find it neat, cool, and everything that goes with that?
What's wrong with you? Don't you want people to benefit life-saving technology? For God's sake, people actually BENEFIT this stuff, it's not some sort of perv twisted SM that "feels high" with gadgets operating inside heart, skull, etc.
But people integrate organic and non-organic all the time! Look at all the implants out there. People carry pacemakers in their hearts and cohlear implants in their skulls, and all sorts of really neat mechanical, electric and electronic stuff in their bodies.
;)
Sure, no implant lasts forever, every now and then one must replace the "equipment"
the gnome people dont give a fuck for bugreports. if you report a bug they mark it TROLL. at least you need to use their bugzilla crap where one needs a PhD to understand howto use it. for me gnome developers are ignorant assholes and hopefully one day they fall really hard to the ground from their pridefull high position. not necessary in gnome or linux world but maybe in real life so the effect is much harder.
Curious. I find it quite trivial to SUBMIT a bug to bugzilla.gnome.org. I find it easy to SEARCH the bug database too, so you can check if someone has submitted your bug already.
Maybe your understanding of the word "PhD" is different from the common people...
Have you thought about WHY do the gnome developers mark your bugreports as troll? I guess that if you report something like "GNOME IS CRAP AND YOU WILL ALL BE DOOMED TO HELL" to bugzilla, then maybe they are right to consider you a troll... Cosider reading a bugreporting howto and some etiquette refferences
My advice would be to only use the Red-Carpet snapshots on a machine you're willing to lose.
Isn't that the common meaning of "beta" or "snapshot"? Oh well, I know we got used to having beta-released projects that are stable enough by closed-source standards to be sold out, but I have the feeling that in the desktop world, things are less likely to be bug-free without huge cummunity support (bug reporting and hard bashing).
So I say anytime you think about testing beta software, think about that dusty box in the corner of the room..
Except that in the US, certified mail is specifically a service of the US Postal Service.
...
Not delivering certified mail and forginf the signature on the receipt is an easy way to get fired from your cushy government job.
Yes, this is the case in other countries too. But believe me, I have heard worse...
My company once complained to one of the providers about a lost invoice only to find that the providers had sent to proforma and got the confirmation reciept. No postman came to our company's door though...
Well, that was easily solved, the accountants agreed for a second invoice to be emitted and that was it, but when it comes to lawsuits... what's worse -- some postman losing his job or some fellow learning about the lawsuit when it's too late?
There are three possibilities:
;)
1) Murphy lies about not recieving the lawsuit notice
2) The Company(tm) provided false documents about the letter reciept
3) The mail company provided false documents about the letter reciept
I incline to believe the third one. Anyhow, if Murphy is being truthful, he has a case here
I find this fair. Slashdot gets paid either be advertisers or by users. We're given a choice and that is Good.
Addons for subscribers... oh, that REALLY depends on the addons we're talking about. I'm not sure having special subscriber priviliges is a good thing, just think how stupid it would be to buy positive moderations...
Well, since important figures high up there wish so hard for control over hardware and software, maybe, at least once upon a time, crypto was secure even from the government....
Just a guess.
No further comments from me...
/. to run a review of this kind. It's natural that one should think twice before doing something that may sound like "Look ma, i'm on teevee!"
/. and slashcode, it really has nothing to do with that. I probably never manage to set up something this size and complexity...
The fact is I find it a bit awkward for
just my 2c, and my very sincere reaction...
btw, I like both
(could not resist) This is selfpromotion or what... As much as I like ./ and its backend... i can't help having this view of - say - a chineese newspaper article: scientist analyses communism and finds it good.
I find that StarOffice supports EE languages pretty well, if given propper fonts. The ones that are bundled with the suite are pretty useless, that's true. Also don't forget to disable font translation in the printers setup, because the printer fonts do not support EE character tables and StarOffice makes some messy replacements that render slightly different fonts for non-latin1 characters.