Ok im sorry if i was a bit caustic. This has me pissed off as everyone else.
let me rephrase my statement.
I thought that CNN and FOX were triviolizing and cheapening the horrendous deaths and destrution by asking victims if they saw anyone die and how did the blood make them feel. If i had just come out of the WTC i guess they would like to share their awful experiences with the world but i kept on getting the feeling that FOX could not give a damn and would have shown anything to keep their ratings high. I also saw that big red banner "attack on america" and emotional background music a way of getting your attention more and trying to whore more of an audience without regard to the devistation actually going on. I am open to criticism about this but I may sometimes get defensive because this is such a huge deal that i cant see straight. I was not saying that this was not an attack on america. I am also advising the brutal and slow deaths of those responsibe. I just do not want to see us bomb the crap out of a forign nation nd find out that it was not them. That would be as tragic as what happened in new york. I was in New York 2 days before the crashes staring at the twin towers as masterpieces of mankind. My mom is a AA attendant supposed to be flying over NY very shortly after the attack. There is no way i would reason with the criminals, and I am sorry if you took my statement to think that we should give these bastards a "chance"or anything. My heart goes out to all those who were affected in this attack and my hatred goes to those responsible.
man shut up and go hyperventilate somewhere else. I am not saying this is not an attack on our coountry, nor am i saying that we reason with criminals, nor am i saying we should not be ruthless to them. that does not mean going on a which hunt and slinging bombs aroungd the world when we dont know who is even responsible yet.
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and of course i accidentaly cut out the middle of my arguement, so its hard to understand. In any case: I agree.
But dont go steriotyping towards different demographics.
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Very true also. I am inclined to agree with most of what you say. Although there were some unfortunate incidents when americans celibrated when we bombed the chineese embassy, (there are always the sad few that like this stuff) and the Pakistani people (of course assuming that some of them were behind this) were being stonewalled. OF COURSE this is not how to respond, by killing maybe thousands of people. and I agree that many forign innocents will die because of this, because just cause terrorist extremists, but that does not mean i will go and justify that. Yes in an ideal world i would round up the bad guys and use them as target practice. But because a vocal minority (they are a vocal minority) celibrated this tragity does not mean we target the lot of them.
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Action without direction is worse than no action at all.
We need direction first. not just what "sounds" like direction. You wanna shoot the crap out of Bin Laden, its fine by me cause of his past, but dont pin blame before its due.
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you think we had nothing to do with this attack? Of course primary responsibility goes to who ever planned and executed this attack, but our forign policy has been so screwed up in respect to the middle east that it makes me depressed. Also this is a "war" on terrorism, not on islamic fundamemtalists, many of which do not count as terrorits, many of which I am sure are appalled at this as we are. I have got Pakistani friends who think this is horrnedous but think the fact that pakistan having nukes "kicks ass". Obviously if terrorists in pakistan, or wherever the perps may be, should not be sprayed with bombs if the majorities of our kills will be innocents (under most cercs). If a Gov't has nothing to do (of course "harboring" and assisting has something to do w/) we dont go and bomb their cities just because it is also filled with people of the same demographics, non terrorist of course. if it was muslim extremists, and they were located in the US among oher innocents, the US Innocents should have the same right to live as if it were forign innocents. This is not a normal war where the government speaking for all the people atacks us, it is opnly a family of terrorists that we have to eradicate off the face of the earth.
you think we had nothing to do with this attack? Of course primary responsibility goes to who ever planned and executed this attack, but our forign policy has been so screwed up in respect to the middle east that it makes me depressed. Also this is a "war" on terrorism, not on islamic fundamemtalists, many of which do not count as terrorits, many of which I am sure are appalled at this as we are. I have got Pakistani friends who think this is horrnedous but think the fact that pakistan having nukes "kicks ass". Obviously if terrorists in pakistan, or wherever the perps may be, should not be sprayed with bombs if the majorities of our kills will be innocents (under most cercs). If a Gov't has nothing to do (of course "harboring" and assisting has something to do w/) we dont go and bomb their cities just because it is also filled with people of the same demographics, non terrorist of course. if it was muslim extremists, and they were located in the US among oher innocents, the US Innocents should have the same right to live as if it were forign innocents. This is not a normal war where the government speaking for all the people atacks us, it is opnly a family of terrorists that we have to eradicate off the face of the earth.
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you are very right.
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Yes, and notice that you see the same celibrating scene over and over again? how can that be a translated as a whole nation?
Yes that scene did strike a nerve. If you took it personally, its cause it was. Very personal. But also think that there is no way a right or wrong here. tens of thousands of Palistinians have seen family and friends die at the hands of American weapons, and whenever they try to bring it up, we shut them down. However of course I am not condoning this action, I am just pointing out that it is not black and white. MOST Israilies and Palistinians are prejudiced agains each other, neither are perfect but im guessiing that if you were born there you would feel resentment too. Plug in the walkout of the US during the racism conference, a really awful forign poilicy from US towards the middle east, a bunch of nuts blathering about using a nuke (a nuke to kill a terrorist group is like using a battleship to hunt for fish, a bunch of palistinians who support us and are afraid that they will be the scapegoats (too late?) and GWB, who in all due respect, could not tell the difference between our forign policy and a hemorroid, and we have a situation that we cant just solve by flailing bombs across the globe. No country is 100% behind a cause like that. Ill bet there are americans even that are happy about that, albeit a very tiny insignificant minority.
I Appreciate Canadian support. It does really mean alot to me, but dont let it get to your head. We, the USA have done great good, but also have dont pretty shitty stuff too.Usually the bad done by us is by large corps that get greedy or by apathy and ignorance (like our forign policy towards the middle east, at least I think), but still we have been lucky in the past and were able to help others with that. Not Quite sure where this is going, just Thank you to the author for the moral support, but we should not think ourselves as angels either. Was going to list a bunch of crummy stuff we did in the past but it seems counterproductive.
In the world of Fox News and a big red "ATTACK ON AMERICA" branded on every other channel, Its good to know some people still think straight. Thank you.
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OK so i guess we are all assuming that it was an act by Bin Laden. So we are going to transforn the palestinian land into a glass parking lot. What happens if he is hiding out in the palistinian capitol? bomb them all? how about Istanbul. Still bomb them? how about chicago? what if he was aided by members in florida? does the innocents still not matter if we all of a sudden have them in our own country? Sure I would be the first to ask that we find those responsible and shoot them so full of holes so that you can play battleship with their remains, and I would not feel the first bit of regret. I know I should but I would not. The actions of terrorism can sometimes be pinpointed to a country but if not we cannot go and play the finger pointing game. Even though Bush only added the "harboring" statement in his speach to cover his ass if we end up bombing another embassy or water treatment facility, i will have to reluctantly agree with him this time. But we should only start slinging bombs across the globe if they are actually responsible, (even in part) and not just start bombing away because we need a scapegoat, and congress needs to show that they did something to stay in popular. Losing innocent lives are never an _acceptable_ way of conducting war, but unfortunately it is _neccisary_. And please , everyone, shut the hell up about nukes. I am not going to go moralizing (too late?) that we will stoop below the level of the terrorists because, by now, you either got it or you are without a clue. And even though the terrorists are obviously primarily responsible, we (the USA) need to take a close look at our forign policy that I feel is deeply flawed, and GWB is not likely to put in any 2 cents worth listening to. To be educated enough to fly a Boeing (If anyone tells you its easy, tell them to stick a sharp object up their ass) and at the same time suicidal enough to crash into a 110 story building, they most likely (even with religious fanaticism) have seen family or friends killed by american made weapons. Check out or forign policy on any forign news center, even out allies newscasts, to see our staggering weakness in forign interests.
Alright i have said what i thought, and of course this is all IMHO, and i remain open to all other views on slashdot and most newscasts.
And: Thank you slashdot members for being my prefered avenue for news with your educated analysis, not some fake sentimental fillers from off of fox news.
Gimme a break.
I, a proud citizen of the USA, have spent over year living in Brasil (yes, with an S), and go to Rio at least once a year by myself to visit people down there. (And Barra, sometimes Leme) True, the majority of them do not have the hardcore capitolistic tendancies of the US, most can agree that Brasil has a very laid back atmosphere and really dont give a shit about an individual or two (or many, many more) desperately flailing about for money. Being laid back and ignoring customs that are not native to them goes together.
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Oh yeah. a gigantic shithole? Please get your head out of your ass.
Before as a 16 year old white gringo alone in Tejuca I have not been mugged or stabbed yet. Ill keep you updated.
And sure us Americans aint that bad, but we cant go around thinking we are better than any other culture just cause they dont inherantly think the way we do. You can't compare cultures in the good/bad apect. You should know that if you have any multi-cultural background at all. For tendancies, sure, but if you go around saying "If you compare us to other cultures, we're pretty good people" you are a sad sad person.
This article is just plain stupid. Double the price of a cd-r just for people using them to burn mp3's and whatnot? might as well double the price of condoms because of people using them to smuggle cocane.
what a crock.
adobe's pdf file format? I can say for all of the concerned citizens ou there that i believe thatMUA HAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A few months ago Gator(tm) was installed on my computer when my brother installed the weatherbug program. I don't know what the gator spokesperson was smoking when the statement "easily removable" was made- uninstalling mine still left a resident program which reinstalled it every time--and you cant delete the resident file because it was "in use" the only way I could get rid of the program, INCLUDING uninstalling the browser was to do to dos prompt via boot disk, delete the dll's and restart. Even now whenever i boot up i still see the warning message in WinBlows that says "Can't find "blahblahblah.dll" I could get rid of that msg but its more gratifying to see that and saying DAMN RIGHT whenever i restart.
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Ok i agree with you whole heartedly. Im sorry I mistook your position.
Ok im sorry if i was a bit caustic. This has me pissed off as everyone else.
let me rephrase my statement.
I thought that CNN and FOX were triviolizing and cheapening the horrendous deaths and destrution by asking victims if they saw anyone die and how did the blood make them feel. If i had just come out of the WTC i guess they would like to share their awful experiences with the world but i kept on getting the feeling that FOX could not give a damn and would have shown anything to keep their ratings high. I also saw that big red banner "attack on america" and emotional background music a way of getting your attention more and trying to whore more of an audience without regard to the devistation actually going on. I am open to criticism about this but I may sometimes get defensive because this is such a huge deal that i cant see straight. I was not saying that this was not an attack on america. I am also advising the brutal and slow deaths of those responsibe. I just do not want to see us bomb the crap out of a forign nation nd find out that it was not them. That would be as tragic as what happened in new york. I was in New York 2 days before the crashes staring at the twin towers as masterpieces of mankind. My mom is a AA attendant supposed to be flying over NY very shortly after the attack. There is no way i would reason with the criminals, and I am sorry if you took my statement to think that we should give these bastards a "chance"or anything. My heart goes out to all those who were affected in this attack and my hatred goes to those responsible.
man shut up and go hyperventilate somewhere else. I am not saying this is not an attack on our coountry, nor am i saying that we reason with criminals, nor am i saying we should not be ruthless to them. that does not mean going on a which hunt and slinging bombs aroungd the world when we dont know who is even responsible yet.
and of course i accidentaly cut out the middle of my arguement, so its hard to understand. In any case: I agree.
But dont go steriotyping towards different demographics.
Very true also. I am inclined to agree with most of what you say. Although there were some unfortunate incidents when americans celibrated when we bombed the chineese embassy, (there are always the sad few that like this stuff) and the Pakistani people (of course assuming that some of them were behind this) were being stonewalled. OF COURSE this is not how to respond, by killing maybe thousands of people. and I agree that many forign innocents will die because of this, because just cause terrorist extremists, but that does not mean i will go and justify that. Yes in an ideal world i would round up the bad guys and use them as target practice. But because a vocal minority (they are a vocal minority) celibrated this tragity does not mean we target the lot of them.
Action without direction is worse than no action at all.
We need direction first. not just what "sounds" like direction. You wanna shoot the crap out of Bin Laden, its fine by me cause of his past, but dont pin blame before its due.
shut up
you think we had nothing to do with this attack? Of course primary responsibility goes to who ever planned and executed this attack, but our forign policy has been so screwed up in respect to the middle east that it makes me depressed. Also this is a "war" on terrorism, not on islamic fundamemtalists, many of which do not count as terrorits, many of which I am sure are appalled at this as we are. I have got Pakistani friends who think this is horrnedous but think the fact that pakistan having nukes "kicks ass". Obviously if terrorists in pakistan, or wherever the perps may be, should not be sprayed with bombs if the majorities of our kills will be innocents (under most cercs). If a Gov't has nothing to do (of course "harboring" and assisting has something to do w/) we dont go and bomb their cities just because it is also filled with people of the same demographics, non terrorist of course. if it was muslim extremists, and they were located in the US among oher innocents, the US Innocents should have the same right to live as if it were forign innocents. This is not a normal war where the government speaking for all the people atacks us, it is opnly a family of terrorists that we have to eradicate off the face of the earth.
you think we had nothing to do with this attack? Of course primary responsibility goes to who ever planned and executed this attack, but our forign policy has been so screwed up in respect to the middle east that it makes me depressed. Also this is a "war" on terrorism, not on islamic fundamemtalists, many of which do not count as terrorits, many of which I am sure are appalled at this as we are. I have got Pakistani friends who think this is horrnedous but think the fact that pakistan having nukes "kicks ass". Obviously if terrorists in pakistan, or wherever the perps may be, should not be sprayed with bombs if the majorities of our kills will be innocents (under most cercs). If a Gov't has nothing to do (of course "harboring" and assisting has something to do w/) we dont go and bomb their cities just because it is also filled with people of the same demographics, non terrorist of course. if it was muslim extremists, and they were located in the US among oher innocents, the US Innocents should have the same right to live as if it were forign innocents. This is not a normal war where the government speaking for all the people atacks us, it is opnly a family of terrorists that we have to eradicate off the face of the earth.
you are very right.
Yes, and notice that you see the same celibrating scene over and over again? how can that be a translated as a whole nation?
Yes that scene did strike a nerve. If you took it personally, its cause it was. Very personal. But also think that there is no way a right or wrong here. tens of thousands of Palistinians have seen family and friends die at the hands of American weapons, and whenever they try to bring it up, we shut them down. However of course I am not condoning this action, I am just pointing out that it is not black and white. MOST Israilies and Palistinians are prejudiced agains each other, neither are perfect but im guessiing that if you were born there you would feel resentment too. Plug in the walkout of the US during the racism conference, a really awful forign poilicy from US towards the middle east, a bunch of nuts blathering about using a nuke (a nuke to kill a terrorist group is like using a battleship to hunt for fish, a bunch of palistinians who support us and are afraid that they will be the scapegoats (too late?) and GWB, who in all due respect, could not tell the difference between our forign policy and a hemorroid, and we have a situation that we cant just solve by flailing bombs across the globe. No country is 100% behind a cause like that. Ill bet there are americans even that are happy about that, albeit a very tiny insignificant minority.
I Appreciate Canadian support. It does really mean alot to me, but dont let it get to your head. We, the USA have done great good, but also have dont pretty shitty stuff too.Usually the bad done by us is by large corps that get greedy or by apathy and ignorance (like our forign policy towards the middle east, at least I think), but still we have been lucky in the past and were able to help others with that. Not Quite sure where this is going, just Thank you to the author for the moral support, but we should not think ourselves as angels either. Was going to list a bunch of crummy stuff we did in the past but it seems counterproductive.
In the world of Fox News and a big red "ATTACK ON AMERICA" branded on every other channel, Its good to know some people still think straight. Thank you.
OK so i guess we are all assuming that it was an act by Bin Laden. So we are going to transforn the palestinian land into a glass parking lot. What happens if he is hiding out in the palistinian capitol? bomb them all? how about Istanbul. Still bomb them? how about chicago? what if he was aided by members in florida? does the innocents still not matter if we all of a sudden have them in our own country? Sure I would be the first to ask that we find those responsible and shoot them so full of holes so that you can play battleship with their remains, and I would not feel the first bit of regret. I know I should but I would not. The actions of terrorism can sometimes be pinpointed to a country but if not we cannot go and play the finger pointing game. Even though Bush only added the "harboring" statement in his speach to cover his ass if we end up bombing another embassy or water treatment facility, i will have to reluctantly agree with him this time. But we should only start slinging bombs across the globe if they are actually responsible, (even in part) and not just start bombing away because we need a scapegoat, and congress needs to show that they did something to stay in popular. Losing innocent lives are never an _acceptable_ way of conducting war, but unfortunately it is _neccisary_. And please , everyone, shut the hell up about nukes. I am not going to go moralizing (too late?) that we will stoop below the level of the terrorists because, by now, you either got it or you are without a clue. And even though the terrorists are obviously primarily responsible, we (the USA) need to take a close look at our forign policy that I feel is deeply flawed, and GWB is not likely to put in any 2 cents worth listening to. To be educated enough to fly a Boeing (If anyone tells you its easy, tell them to stick a sharp object up their ass) and at the same time suicidal enough to crash into a 110 story building, they most likely (even with religious fanaticism) have seen family or friends killed by american made weapons. Check out or forign policy on any forign news center, even out allies newscasts, to see our staggering weakness in forign interests.
Alright i have said what i thought, and of course this is all IMHO, and i remain open to all other views on slashdot and most newscasts.
And: Thank you slashdot members for being my prefered avenue for news with your educated analysis, not some fake sentimental fillers from off of fox news.
Gimme a break.
I, a proud citizen of the USA, have spent over year living in Brasil (yes, with an S), and go to Rio at least once a year by myself to visit people down there. (And Barra, sometimes Leme) True, the majority of them do not have the hardcore capitolistic tendancies of the US, most can agree that Brasil has a very laid back atmosphere and really dont give a shit about an individual or two (or many, many more) desperately flailing about for money. Being laid back and ignoring customs that are not native to them goes together.
What was next...
Oh yeah. a gigantic shithole? Please get your head out of your ass.
Before as a 16 year old white gringo alone in Tejuca I have not been mugged or stabbed yet. Ill keep you updated.
And sure us Americans aint that bad, but we cant go around thinking we are better than any other culture just cause they dont inherantly think the way we do. You can't compare cultures in the good/bad apect. You should know that if you have any multi-cultural background at all. For tendancies, sure, but if you go around saying "If you compare us to other cultures, we're pretty good people" you are a sad sad person.
This article is just plain stupid. Double the price of a cd-r just for people using them to burn mp3's and whatnot? might as well double the price of condoms because of people using them to smuggle cocane.
what a crock.
adobe's pdf file format? I can say for all of the concerned citizens ou there that i believe thatMUA HAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A few months ago Gator(tm) was installed on my computer when my brother installed the weatherbug program. I don't know what the gator spokesperson was smoking when the statement "easily removable" was made- uninstalling mine still left a resident program which reinstalled it every time--and you cant delete the resident file because it was "in use" the only way I could get rid of the program, INCLUDING uninstalling the browser was to do to dos prompt via boot disk, delete the dll's and restart. Even now whenever i boot up i still see the warning message in WinBlows that says "Can't find "blahblahblah.dll" I could get rid of that msg but its more gratifying to see that and saying DAMN RIGHT whenever i restart.