Apple switched processor families to the PPC in about 1994. While still made by the same company (Motorola), the PPC was radically different from the 68K. I can't see Apple switching to x86. It just doesn't perform significantly better than the G4, which others have said will need to happen if a processor changeover will take place.
Maybe Apple will switch over to Alpha processors... Yeah yeah, that's the ticket.:)
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Ah, the weak anthropic principal... The principle that says that the probablility that all the fundamental laws of nature that allow for atoms, galaxies, stars, planets, and people is so small that life in the universe couldn't possibly have happened by chance. This is somewhere on the order of some fraction of 1 percent chance that all the fundamental constants to have fallen to the right values (if it were a random happening) to allow for complex atoms and complex structures (like galaxies, stars, planets, and nucleic acids) to form. (That's the cosmotologists speaking).
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<BR>Then there are the more simple minded that argue that the Earth has an Ideal Year, day, seasons (tilt), and moon (for tides), to make things diverse enough but also sane enough for such complex inteligent life to come into being (humans)...
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<BR>Makes you wonder if there wasn't some grand master plan.
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Yes yes yes!!!
<br>Finally someone who isn't so goddamm microsoft brainwashed!!!
<br>Yes, acording to ArsTechna, when they were talking about how rediculous it was to ask when the x86 processors woudl become obsolete, they refered to the IBM 360 that came out in the 1960', fully 20 years before any of that old windows crap everyone kept thinking was the first operating system. Windows back then WASN'T an OS, it was and still is up to 98 SE an operating environment. DOS was the underlying OS! Microsoft will tell you otherwise, but we all know that if you delete io.sys, msdos.sys and command.com from 98 SE IT WON'T BOOT!!!
<br>By the way, if anyone wants to see Windows 1.0 in a fairly recent place, in any Dos 6.0, 6.2, or 6.22 system, type dosshell at a command prompt and see how similar the screen that you are in now resembles all those Windows 1.01 screen shots...
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<br>Chris
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
> I'd rather see stories about Wintel related > matters than all the Apple crap that gets dumped > into/. anymore.
Well then don't read the story and don't post about it. Ignore it! You know there are a lot of Mac geeks that use Linux, I am one of them. Heck, I even use Linux ON my Mac. I for one enjoy hearing news about Mac stuff on slashdot. As everyone will agree, Linux users and Mac users have a special kinship: Anything to get away from Micro$oft and both camps believe that thier OS is superiour to Windows. And you know what? They are BOTH right!
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
> Why is it that Mac zealots are almost uniformly > stupid? Is it because the intelligent Mac Users > aren't zealots? I think so. Ether that, or only > stupid people like Macs...
Flattery will get you no where. But seriously, what can I say I had to respond to the original troll.
> I have never in my life heard of a chip called > the 8085. are you talking about the 8088? Witch > was wankyer, but came out later? (used an 8bit > bus, instead of a 16bit bus like the 8086)
If I remember my history correctly, the 8085 was an 8 bit processor that was popular with the CP/M crowd. It of course could only address up to 64 K of ram, so Intel came up with that backward, upside down memory model of segment/offset so that programs written for the 8085 could run on the 8086. It's too bad Intel didn't know to do away with that legacy memory model and go with a flat one, oh well.
> I guess you've never heard of PnP ISA, not that > it matters, ISA's on the way out. Anyway, if you > want true plug and play, just don't buy any ISA > cards, it isn't that hard...
I have heard of PnP ISA and it simply doesn't work! I don't know how many conflicts I have had to manually solve in windows 95, 98 of supposedly "PnP" ISA hardware. PCI doesn't do this...
> Serial and parallel ports are very useful, in > that you can hack something up in your garage > that can interface with it.
They are very useful, so is the joystick port for extremely simple devices to be developed. What is extremely unuseful is for every com port an IRQ taken up (IRQ sharing for the most part DOESN"T WORK!). If you want to get any kind of bandwidth out of parallel, you need to use a DMA port, and of course every parallel port uses an IRQ. Why introduce all of that potentional conflict with you can have a single controller that controls all those devices with a single set of resources like the USB root hub?
> I'd like to see you build a USB device by hand.
I wouldn't want to. But then neither would I build a serial or parallel device by hand, even though I know it would be easier.
> Am I supposed to be impressed by your mad daisy > chaining abilities? Another thing that's always > bothered me is Mac users tendency's to elevate > the lamest Mac features to amazing heights. > "Ohhh. You can eject the floppy without pushing a > button!!!!!"
Yeah, but it is annoying to have to use a paperclip to eject it manually sometimes too. Seriously, you can plug a mouse into a keyboard port on a PC or vice versa and royally f*ck yourself. ADB (Apple Desktop Bus) and USB have been idiot proofed so that you cannot do this.
> If you could address more then 1 meg of ram in > real mode, it would be real mode, it would be > some other mode. And real mode would have to be > put back in for Backwards compatibility. Anyway, > none of this matters because the CPUs have other > modes, and everyone uses protected mode, witch > lets you get up to 36gigs of ram.
Well, I don't think that a model that relies on protected mode and REQUIRES virtual memory to run is very efficient. Try running Age of empires with 128 MB or RAM and disable Virtual memory, Will it run???:)
> > FPU on an x86? What a joke!!!
> Ever year of the Athlon? 4 floating point ops per > cycle, and you can buy one that runs at 1ghz > today. When your CPU maxes out at 500mhz, > everything is a joke...
The x86's FPU will never be the fastest becuase of inherent limitations in which the FPU is accessed. I have heard of AMD getting around this with the Athlon making the FPU faster, however, if you really want to see the real scoop, check this site out:
The newest Pentium III's and Athlons have very fast FPUs, faster even than the fastest G4's, however they don't have anything on the Newest ALphas, Sparc III's or R12000 processors...
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
the fact is no one does care and 386+ has been optomized to run in protected mode ever since because of that severe real mode limitation. Every processor out there, by the way, runs faster in real mode than in protected mode, even the x86. That is why it is such a stupid hack: it was the only thing Intel could have done in order to keep their very stupid processor architecture from dying after the 8088.
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
From: http://www.tsmservices.com/masq/catlist.php3?Games This is the same configuration for both Diablo 1.0.7 and all versions of Starcraft and Starcraft: Broodwar. It doesn't of course refer to any box behind the firewall and is a very clean implementation of autofw: ipmasqadm autofw -A -r udp 6112 6112 -c tcp 6112
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
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Wrong!!!
What about Steve Wozniak???
He is the God of all nerds single handedly engineering the Apple I and Apple II
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Hey comon, he is only selling the plans for $40. WIth that one time investmenet you could then make as many iRaqs as you like for $50 in parts.
This is a MUCH better deal than
http://www.marathoncomputer.com/pr_irack.html
is selling these at $349 a piece.
He took the time and effort to figure it out and believes he should be compensated.
From what I had heard at an AMUG (Arizona Macintosh User Group) meeting, ATI hasn't been that forthright about releasing the hardware specs of their newest cards. The presenter said that should change soon since Apple is somehow fully supporting Linux with OS X.
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Apple switched processor families to the PPC in about 1994. While still made by the same company (Motorola), the PPC was radically different from the 68K. I can't see Apple switching to x86. It just doesn't perform significantly better than the G4, which others have said will need to happen if a processor changeover will take place. ... Yeah yeah, that's the ticket. :)
Maybe Apple will switch over to Alpha processors
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Ah, the weak anthropic principal ... The principle that says that the probablility that all the fundamental laws of nature that allow for atoms, galaxies, stars, planets, and people is so small that life in the universe couldn't possibly have happened by chance. This is somewhere on the order of some fraction of 1 percent chance that all the fundamental constants to have fallen to the right values (if it were a random happening) to allow for complex atoms and complex structures (like galaxies, stars, planets, and nucleic acids) to form. (That's the cosmotologists speaking).
<BR>
<BR>Then there are the more simple minded that argue that the Earth has an Ideal Year, day, seasons (tilt), and moon (for tides), to make things diverse enough but also sane enough for such complex inteligent life to come into being (humans)...
<BR>
<BR>Makes you wonder if there wasn't some grand master plan.
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Yes yes yes!!!
<br>Finally someone who isn't so goddamm microsoft brainwashed!!!
<br>Yes, acording to ArsTechna, when they were talking about how rediculous it was to ask when the x86 processors woudl become obsolete, they refered to the IBM 360 that came out in the 1960', fully 20 years before any of that old windows crap everyone kept thinking was the first operating system. Windows back then WASN'T an OS, it was and still is up to 98 SE an operating environment. DOS was the underlying OS! Microsoft will tell you otherwise, but we all know that if you delete io.sys, msdos.sys and command.com from 98 SE IT WON'T BOOT!!!
<br>By the way, if anyone wants to see Windows 1.0 in a fairly recent place, in any Dos 6.0, 6.2, or 6.22 system, type dosshell at a command prompt and see how similar the screen that you are in now resembles all those Windows 1.01 screen shots...
<br>
<br>Chris
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Here is the source page: http://www.interix.com/tw/main_contrib. html
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
It turns out the source IS on the interix site here: >http://www.interix.com/tw/main_contrib. html</a>
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
> I'd rather see stories about Wintel related /. anymore.
> matters than all the Apple crap that gets dumped
> into
Well then don't read the story and don't post about it. Ignore it! You know there are a lot of Mac geeks that use Linux, I am one of them. Heck, I even use Linux ON my Mac. I for one enjoy hearing news about Mac stuff on slashdot. As everyone will agree, Linux users and Mac users have a special kinship: Anything to get away from Micro$oft and both camps believe that thier OS is superiour to Windows. And you know what? They are BOTH right!
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Some suggestions:
The Final Fantasy Movie: The Game
Disney's Dinosaur Movie: The Game
Can anyone else thing of any other worthy gmaes for this platform?
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
> Why is it that Mac zealots are almost uniformly
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> stupid? Is it because the intelligent Mac Users
> aren't zealots? I think so. Ether that, or only
> stupid people like Macs...
Flattery will get you no where. But seriously, what can I say I had to respond to the original troll.
> I have never in my life heard of a chip called
> the 8085. are you talking about the 8088? Witch
> was wankyer, but came out later? (used an 8bit
> bus, instead of a 16bit bus like the 8086)
If I remember my history correctly, the 8085 was an 8 bit processor that was popular with the CP/M crowd. It of course could only address up to 64 K of ram, so Intel came up with that backward, upside down memory model of segment/offset so that programs written for the 8085 could run on the 8086. It's too bad Intel didn't know to do away with that legacy memory model and go with a flat one, oh well.
> I guess you've never heard of PnP ISA, not that
> it matters, ISA's on the way out. Anyway, if you
> want true plug and play, just don't buy any ISA
> cards, it isn't that hard...
I have heard of PnP ISA and it simply doesn't work! I don't know how many conflicts I have had to manually solve in windows 95, 98 of supposedly "PnP" ISA hardware. PCI doesn't do this...
> Serial and parallel ports are very useful, in
> that you can hack something up in your garage
> that can interface with it.
They are very useful, so is the joystick port for extremely simple devices to be developed. What is extremely unuseful is for every com port an IRQ taken up (IRQ sharing for the most part DOESN"T WORK!). If you want to get any kind of bandwidth out of parallel, you need to use a DMA port, and of course every parallel port uses an IRQ. Why introduce all of that potentional conflict with you can have a single controller that controls all those devices with a single set of resources like the USB root hub?
> I'd like to see you build a USB device by hand.
I wouldn't want to. But then neither would I build a serial or parallel device by hand, even though I know it would be easier.
> Am I supposed to be impressed by your mad daisy
> chaining abilities? Another thing that's always
> bothered me is Mac users tendency's to elevate
> the lamest Mac features to amazing heights.
> "Ohhh. You can eject the floppy without pushing a
> button!!!!!"
Yeah, but it is annoying to have to use a paperclip to eject it manually sometimes too. Seriously, you can plug a mouse into a keyboard port on a PC or vice versa and royally f*ck yourself. ADB (Apple Desktop Bus) and USB have been idiot proofed so that you cannot do this.
> If you could address more then 1 meg of ram in
> real mode, it would be real mode, it would be
> some other mode. And real mode would have to be
> put back in for Backwards compatibility. Anyway,
> none of this matters because the CPUs have other
> modes, and everyone uses protected mode, witch
> lets you get up to 36gigs of ram.
Well, I don't think that a model that relies on protected mode and REQUIRES virtual memory to run is very efficient. Try running Age of empires with 128 MB or RAM and disable Virtual memory, Will it run???
> > FPU on an x86? What a joke!!!
> Ever year of the Athlon? 4 floating point ops per
> cycle, and you can buy one that runs at 1ghz
> today. When your CPU maxes out at 500mhz,
> everything is a joke...
The x86's FPU will never be the fastest becuase of inherent limitations in which the FPU is accessed. I have heard of AMD getting around this with the Athlon making the FPU faster, however, if you really want to see the real scoop, check this site out:
http://bwrc.eecs.berkeley.edu/CIC/summary/local
The newest Pentium III's and Athlons have very fast FPUs, faster even than the fastest G4's, however they don't have anything on the Newest ALphas, Sparc III's or R12000 processors...
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
the fact is no one does care and 386+ has been optomized to run in protected mode ever since because of that severe real mode limitation. Every processor out there, by the way, runs faster in real mode than in protected mode, even the x86. That is why it is such a stupid hack: it was the only thing Intel could have done in order to keep their very stupid processor architecture from dying after the 8088.
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
From: http://www.tsmservices.com/masq/catlist.php3?Games This is the same configuration for both Diablo 1.0.7 and all versions of Starcraft and Starcraft: Broodwar. It doesn't of course refer to any box behind the firewall and is a very clean implementation of autofw: ipmasqadm autofw -A -r udp 6112 6112 -c tcp 6112
Every rule has an exception, and this is the only rule with no exceptions! Huh? -- Spatch
Wrong!!!
What about Steve Wozniak???
He is the God of all nerds single handedly engineering the Apple I and Apple II
Hey comon, he is only selling the plans for $40. WIth that one time investmenet you could then make as many iRaqs as you like for $50 in parts.
This is a MUCH better deal than
http://www.marathoncomputer.com/pr_irack.html
is selling these at $349 a piece.
He took the time and effort to figure it out and believes he should be compensated.
From what I had heard at an AMUG (Arizona Macintosh User Group) meeting, ATI hasn't been that forthright about releasing the hardware specs of their newest cards. The presenter said that should change soon since Apple is somehow fully supporting Linux with OS X.