this could be equally described as creativity vs. non-creativity.
anyway, the comment made by one of the artists - "i'm never going to sign away the rights of a character." that's very telling. if one looks at free software as an attempt by individual programmers to maintain control of their work, one wonders what other creative people will want to do with their work when they realise the power of the net for distribution.
mp3 and other compressed music formats actually enable musicians to distribute their work without record companies. it's not perfect yet, something needs to be done to encourage people to pay for the music, the quality needs to be better and we need more bandwidth. however the seeds are there.
online comics also have similar potential. recently chris baldwin, author of bruno decided not to try for syndication of bruno and is trying to earn his keep from bruno directly.
this could be said for a host of artists in a variety of media - even tangible media can be sold over the net.
so what if these guys start drawing up animated shorts, mixing in some sort of slashdot style discussion boards on animation in general and maybe their work in particular. perhaps a forum for other animators to discuss their work, not just a place for consumers of it. i think they'd do rather well. their work would stay theirs, they would decide what to publish. they could sell better quality copies of the animation (or tapes/dvd's of it), shirts, merchandise, etc, as well as banner ads on the site itself.
essentially the web allows for the *possibility* for creative people to build their careers directly with their audience. programmers have been first because we're most familiar with it. but we're not alone.
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no offense, kuros5hin's been posting "/. censors" posts for quite some time. if i was a/. editor i'd feel an urge to make the comment too.
and why was/. holding the story? to check the facts (something else they get accused of not doing). and look at this and this. so now/., after being egged on by k5 folks and all the submitters managed to look like it both censored a story and jumped too quick.
yeay,/. looks twice as bad! now don't you feel better that rab and company look cool while you folks in the "/. are a bunch of posers and aren't we so hip to notice it" crowd can just feel all extra special and warm.
whatever. i figure i'll just keep reading/. and other news sites to keep informed. i'll actually *do* something if i need to feel cool.
odd, a rather large multinational based in ireland (with offices in germany, miami, new york, pennsylvania and california to name a few) is using freeswan quite happily.
check out redhat's kickstart. look into ldap or nis. with pam ldap might work for auths. look into mounting/home off a server - that way you can log into any workstation and get your desktop. someone said to avoid nfs, but i've used it with success quite well. avoid smb though because smbmount is not well liked by either linux kernel or samba folks. coda could be nice but i'm not sure where it's at.
who exactly enacts those bits of legislation? who enforces and judges compliance with the 14 year monopoly? who creates the monopoly in the first place?
or why not have a url in one of the mp3 info fields. xmms would let you click an artist info button and fans could go to the artists web site and find out more about the person/people that made the music they like.
"When did it become so trendy to constantly talk about how much Microsoft sucks?"
hm, i think i've been saying it since 1989, that was when i first got a pc. i found them very frustrating compared to the c64 and the apple ][.
then i got to uni and used unix, and then i *really* couldn't see why people used dos. i watched how borland went from having a great suite of compilers on dos to being frozen out of windows (and their widgets and dialog boxes looked much niftier). then after uni i worked at a place with macs and while i found them wanting compared to my unix workstations i couldn't see how people could pick ms over macs for personal use.
i still think the cheapest way to run an office of word proccessing users is to use macs with unix based infrastructure. and use an internal web site for collaboration.
i grew up in america and i seem to remember "the government" was the people. and that's true here in europe in most countries.
and since companies are also run by people, who would also be part of the government, then companies can censor people.
so you're saying that the government - the people - can censor people, but companies - also the people - can't by definition censor people. but they're the same people. by definition. your argument makes no sense. it disproves itself.
encryption won't work since music must be decrypted to be played back, and stopping napster won't work since an mp3 is a file at the end of the day and there are almost as many ways to share files as there are files! in fact technology won't solve the problem at all.
repeat: technology won't solve the problem.
it can help though. mp3's could have an additional field added (or an agreed format in an existing field) that would be the "support this artist link." mp3 players would show it prominantly, and mp3encoders (or tools like mp3info) could update it. in addition cddb could be adjusted to support it.
i'm sure people would love to pay money for their favourtie artists - where do we pay it to? mp3 players, encoders could offer that info. no, it's not encryption or a copy protection scheme. it depends on the fans to support their favourite artists. in a way it's more personal and demands that fans and artists respect one another or at least have dialogs with one another.
there's a reason why the linux media exists: because "mainstream" publishing ignored linux and other free software. linux media companies/groups/organisations grew out of that in an effort to educate people on what their other choices were.
and just as we, in our roles in the tech industry, should not forget the companies and people that gave us the choices that linux, freebsd, gnu, x, apache, etc give us those magazines should remember the frustrations involved in having to start an entire side industry just to get free software noticed.
in other words we should reward those that play fair, and companies should market their integrity.
i see what you're saying, and on some levels i agree with it but...
linux has more users then bsd. that doesn't make it better, but it's not correct to say otherwise.
linux and *bsd are pretty compatible.
the original comment compared licenses, not operating systems. in this case the gpl and bsd. the gpl has been around for quite some time and solves some problems that the bsd license had: namely free software would disappear. companies would take bsd licensed s/w and lock it up.
several years ago i heard that either someone on the committee setting up ipv6, or someone petitioning it wanted to have a flag in ipv6 packets that would say whether the packet was obscene (or had obscene data).
tracking revisions are a different thing. word essentially saves diffs of files. using the standard unix utility called strings to read word documents you'll see that word files are frequently saved as diffs.
how to turn off that "feature"? turn off "quick save."
it's been mentioned in comp.risks numerous times - ms word files by default are saved by revisions. i got a job offer two years ago that contained the offer letters of five other people. i did quite well i found.:)
the only time i've been a fan of ms products actually.
you'll want/., the penguin, wilbur, copyleft, the various daemons, mozilla, etc, etc gone too, right?
some people make pretty doodles, other people buy them and try to associate them with whatever their thing is, and a slew of other people like being able to associate that design with that thing.
a logo is no more evil then a name - except of course that they have to be sent as attachments.
logos can be cute, just like any other type of art. now what some evil bastards that use logos do with them and what they've attached to that logo is a whole other kettle of fish.
you're over the hill as a gymnast if you're 18. someone already mentioned the porn industry. actresses are only now beginning to get recognition past the age of forty (bar a few exceptions). most any sports player is over the hill by 30 or 35.
this is yet another area where WE ARE NOT UNIQUE!!!! (i really think those of us in the high tech area should repeat that mantra every few hours. force yourself to look at other fields and how they solved or dealt with similar events/problems/opportunities/models/etc - that way we have less of a chance of repeating the past with the high speed assistance of our silicon friends).
i could be wrong, but i don't think he said people sharing their music over the net was *right*. in fact i think he's said that things like the gpl can't really be applied to books or music.
his point is that if someone shares something without authorisation (be it a person's music, or their gpl'ed code) it's not the moral equivalent of attacking a ship at high sea and kidnapping the crew.
do you really think that an illegal copy of ms word, a metallica song, or a binary only copy of emacs are crimes of the same level as theft of a ship and kidnapping/enslaving/murdering a fair number of people? i'll be bent out of shape if someone distributed binary copies of any stuff i write that's gpl'd, but i don't think it's on that level!
Slashdot Mirror
look into stegfs for plausible deniability.
then go get gnupg for encryption and get mutt for a mailer that makes it dead simple to use. drop me an email if you have an issue.
why #2? did someone on /. dos k5?
this could be equally described as creativity vs. non-creativity.
anyway, the comment made by one of the artists - "i'm never going to sign away the rights of a character." that's very telling. if one looks at free software as an attempt by individual programmers to maintain control of their work, one wonders what other creative people will want to do with their work when they realise the power of the net for distribution.
mp3 and other compressed music formats actually enable musicians to distribute their work without record companies. it's not perfect yet, something needs to be done to encourage people to pay for the music, the quality needs to be better and we need more bandwidth. however the seeds are there.
online comics also have similar potential. recently chris baldwin, author of bruno decided not to try for syndication of bruno and is trying to earn his keep from bruno directly.
this could be said for a host of artists in a variety of media - even tangible media can be sold over the net.
so what if these guys start drawing up animated shorts, mixing in some sort of slashdot style discussion boards on animation in general and maybe their work in particular. perhaps a forum for other animators to discuss their work, not just a place for consumers of it. i think they'd do rather well. their work would stay theirs, they would decide what to publish. they could sell better quality copies of the animation (or tapes/dvd's of it), shirts, merchandise, etc, as well as banner ads on the site itself.
essentially the web allows for the *possibility* for creative people to build their careers directly with their audience. programmers have been first because we're most familiar with it. but we're not alone.
no offense, kuros5hin's been posting "/. censors" posts for quite some time. if i was a /. editor i'd feel an urge to make the comment too.
/. holding the story? to check the facts (something else they get accused of not doing). and look at this and this. so now /., after being egged on by k5 folks and all the submitters managed to look like it both censored a story and jumped too quick.
/. looks twice as bad! now don't you feel better that rab and company look cool while you folks in the "/. are a bunch of posers and aren't we so hip to notice it" crowd can just feel all extra special and warm.
/. and other news sites to keep informed. i'll actually *do* something if i need to feel cool.
and why was
yeay,
whatever. i figure i'll just keep reading
odd, a rather large multinational based in ireland (with offices in germany, miami, new york, pennsylvania and california to name a few) is using freeswan quite happily.
it gets oodles of traffic and It Just Works.
uh, free s/wan works with anything that does tcp/ip.
check out redhat's kickstart. look into ldap or nis. with pam ldap might work for auths. look into mounting /home off a server - that way you can log into any workstation and get your desktop. someone said to avoid nfs, but i've used it with success quite well. avoid smb though because smbmount is not well liked by either linux kernel or samba folks. coda could be nice but i'm not sure where it's at.
who exactly enacts those bits of legislation? who enforces and judges compliance with the 14 year monopoly? who creates the monopoly in the first place?
gee, that's a lot of government...
go visit http://www.gcc.org/
or why not have a url in one of the mp3 info fields. xmms would let you click an artist info button and fans could go to the artists web site and find out more about the person/people that made the music they like.
one thing to find out? how to pay them...
"When did it become so trendy
to constantly talk about how
much Microsoft sucks?"
hm, i think i've been saying it since 1989, that was when i first got a pc. i found them very frustrating compared to the c64 and the apple ][.
then i got to uni and used unix, and then i *really* couldn't see why people used dos. i watched how borland went from having a great suite of compilers on dos to being frozen out of windows (and their widgets and dialog boxes looked much niftier). then after uni i worked at a place with macs and while i found them wanting compared to my unix workstations i couldn't see how people could pick ms over macs for personal use.
i still think the cheapest way to run an office of word proccessing users is to use macs with unix based infrastructure. and use an internal web site for collaboration.
and where is this "Government" entity?
i grew up in america and i seem to remember "the government" was the people. and that's true here in europe in most countries.
and since companies are also run by people, who would also be part of the government, then companies can censor people.
so you're saying that the government - the people - can censor people, but companies - also the people - can't by definition censor people. but they're the same people. by definition. your argument makes no sense. it disproves itself.
encryption won't work since music must be decrypted to be played back,
and stopping napster won't work since an mp3 is a file at the end of the
day and there are almost as many ways to share files as there are files!
in fact technology won't solve the problem at all.
repeat: technology won't solve the problem.
it can help though. mp3's could have an additional field added (or
an agreed format in an existing field) that would be the "support this
artist link." mp3 players would show it prominantly, and mp3encoders
(or tools like mp3info) could update it. in addition cddb could be
adjusted to support it.
i'm sure people would love to pay money for their favourtie artists -
where do we pay it to? mp3 players, encoders could offer that info.
no, it's not encryption or a copy protection scheme. it depends on the
fans to support their favourite artists. in a way it's more personal
and demands that fans and artists respect one another or at least have
dialogs with one another.
there's a reason why the linux media exists: because "mainstream" publishing ignored linux and other free software. linux media companies/groups/organisations grew out of that in an effort to educate people on what their other choices were.
and just as we, in our roles in the tech industry, should not forget the companies and people that gave us the choices that linux, freebsd, gnu, x, apache, etc give us those magazines should remember the frustrations involved in having to start an entire side industry just to get free software noticed.
in other words we should reward those that play fair, and companies should market their integrity.
i see what you're saying, and on some levels i agree with it but...
linux has more users then bsd. that doesn't make it better, but it's not correct to say otherwise.
linux and *bsd are pretty compatible.
the original comment compared licenses, not operating systems. in this case the gpl and bsd. the gpl has been around for quite some time and solves some problems that the bsd license had: namely free software would disappear. companies would take bsd licensed s/w and lock it up.
smtp is being used for what it was designed for? someone in our marketing debt. emailed quicktimes of portugal's three goals against england.
i sincerely doubt that was considered and mime is not pretty.
several years ago i heard that either someone on the committee setting up ipv6, or someone petitioning it wanted to have a flag in ipv6 packets that would say whether the packet was obscene (or had obscene data).
wow.
tracking revisions are a different thing. word essentially saves diffs of files. using the standard unix utility called strings to read word documents you'll see that word files are frequently saved as diffs.
how to turn off that "feature"? turn off "quick save."
kevin
it's been mentioned in comp.risks numerous times - ms word files by default are saved by revisions. i got a job offer two years ago that contained the offer letters of five other people. i did quite well i found. :)
the only time i've been a fan of ms products actually.
that would involve members of the various *bsd cores acquiring a sense of humor...
yes, html has been of use but if you'll notice one of those uses has not been standardisation or compatability.
w/o trying to i've written a web form that won't work with ie and will work with netscape (though netscape on windows sometimes fails). urgh.
"just like they switched to appending the year to the name of the software after Windows 95 came out."
you mean like algol-60 and fortran-77?
"ew, logos are bad!"
/., the penguin, wilbur, copyleft, the various daemons, mozilla, etc, etc gone too, right?
oh gack.
you'll want
some people make pretty doodles, other people buy them and try to associate them with whatever their thing is, and a slew of other people like being able to associate that design with that thing.
a logo is no more evil then a name - except of course that they have to be sent as attachments.
logos can be cute, just like any other type of art. now what some evil bastards that use logos do with them and what they've attached to that logo is a whole other kettle of fish.
you're over the hill as a gymnast if you're 18. someone already mentioned the porn industry. actresses are only now beginning to get recognition past the age of forty (bar a few exceptions). most any sports player is over the hill by 30 or 35.
this is yet another area where WE ARE NOT UNIQUE!!!! (i really think those of us in the high tech area should repeat that mantra every few hours. force yourself to look at other fields and how they solved or dealt with similar events/problems/opportunities/models/etc - that way we have less of a chance of repeating the past with the high speed assistance of our silicon friends).
i could be wrong, but i don't think he said people sharing their music over the net was *right*. in fact i think he's said that things like the gpl can't really be applied to books or music.
his point is that if someone shares something without authorisation (be it a person's music, or their gpl'ed code) it's not the moral equivalent of attacking a ship at high sea and kidnapping the crew.
do you really think that an illegal copy of ms word, a metallica song, or a binary only copy of emacs are crimes of the same level as theft of a ship and kidnapping/enslaving/murdering a fair number of people? i'll be bent out of shape if someone distributed binary copies of any stuff i write that's gpl'd, but i don't think it's on that level!