For the record, the decision in the room was somewhat split, leaning about 2:1...
The article states that: Ultimately, the working group voted 3 to 1 to reject Ylonnen's request.
Do you have a source for your 'somewhat split' assertion?
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"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Sounds like a Slashdot story about some Linux application, three years ago. Quicken, anyone? --
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Reading the Kuro5hin (what does 'Kuro5hin' mean, anyway?) article, it sounds to me like he has mathematically described the concept of demographics. It appears that other media have figured out how ad rates change based on demographics.
For example, a daily newspaper or a prime-time network televsion show is 'fat' whereas most magazines and cable shows are 'thin'.
Related to the Yahoo! announcement, it sounds like Yahoo needs to be thin but has purchased so much content that it is actually fat. --
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
You are paying for service and the name/reputation of the company behind it.
Interesting thought. So how much money is it worth when I find one of the numerous bugs I Oracle, even though Oracle never (rarely) fixes any of them? So I have to spend several days coding around these problems? What good is the 'service' that I am paying for?
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"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
...especially if you don't mind babysitting it [free DBMS] from time to time...
I would argue that products such as Oracle require as much or more babysitting. I have developed applications that use Oracle for 5 years and would not recommend it unless you are willing to pay for DBA services. Oracle is a complex product that will not perform without 1+ competent DBAs. Is the same true for MySQL? PGSQL? Interbase? BTW-One of the 'selling points of Interbase is that:
Most SQL database server products require
expensive MIS staffs to install, tune, and
manage them. The InterBase design
doesn't require hours of maintenance or a
PhD in InterBase tuning. When your applications
must run without constant supervision
or when your desktop database runs
out of steam, InterBase is the clear choice.
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"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Your statement is vague and gives no evidence for your claims.
How about this evidence? I grant you that this source could be considered biased. (See below for another source).
In what some describe as a blatant move to squelch criticism of its religion and achieve a media monopoly, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is being linked to an effort to seize control of Salt Lake City's only privately owned, "secular" daily newspaper, the Salt Lake Tribune. That would give the Mormon Church a virtual lock on the two papers now published in the state capital; the LDS already owns the afternoon Deseret News, which also publishes a Sunday morning edition.
Players in the breaking story include Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch who this past week was accused of impropriety in the case, and the giant AT&T corporation which through a series of financial divestitures and acquisitions, ended up in control of the Salt Lake City Tribune. Following initial reports that the LDS was secretly attempting to find what has been described by the New York Times as a "backway to exercise editorial control," Mormon officials have been frantically trying to deny any involvement.
How about some more evidence, on the same topic from the Salt Lake Tribune? Certainly the SLT is unbiased.
The Salt Lake Tribune's managers are urging the newspaper's owner, AT&T, to honor contracts they believe will thwart a three-year effort by the Mormon church-owned Deseret News to acquire The Tribune's parent company or a controlling interest in the agency that handles advertising, promotion and circulation for both newspapers.
The complex maneuvering surrounding the future of Utah's largest daily newspaper, conducted in the privacy of boardrooms and attorneys offices and at one point involving Sen. Orrin Hatch, carries large implications in a state where around 70 percent of residents are Mormon and The Tribune is viewed by many as an independent voice.
For additional 'evidence' from the secular Salt Lake Tribune, try the links on this page. The evidence shows that the LDS 'church' is manuvering to control all print media in Utah. It is obvious to me that this type of behavior illustrates the point in my previous post. --
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
If the majority did want drinking, the voting would work things out for them.
Pardon me, but I think this statement is naive. The voting masses have little to do with the Liquor laws in Utah and everything to do with the wealth of the LDS 'church' (term used loosely). The LDS church wields influence based on their power. Power of an organization is generally proportional to the economic influence of that organization and its members.
It would be great if the U.S. laws were not influenced by money and power and only by the 'voters', but it does not work this way. --
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Article [VI.]
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Guilty until you pay off THE MAN! Where can I sign this FUCKING agreement? --
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
IMHO - RMS is not afraid of Gates or Alchin or anyone. You may not always agree with him, but at least he is strong enough not to waiver or sell out his beliefs. --
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
What's even more exciting: Imagine that the APIs, or the calling conventions for those formulas, are made public.
Hey Barney, keep imagining, because IMHO the publication of these calling convention will not happen. Why? Microsoft wants us to pay them for all those 'great formulas' for Excel that we can 'just download' off the web. Why would they allow just anyone the opportunity to develop formulae? Only tool companies like Corel will get in the game, mainly because Bill Gates paid for your sorry company.
I am terribly disappointed to learn that it is possible to buy back one of our basic liberties for only $370,000 a year.
Are you being sarcastic? Because (former Congresswoman) Pat Schroeder is working for the publishers to take away books from libraries (from article)
Grossly oversimplified: Publishers want to charge people to read material; librarians want to give it away.
"We," says Schroeder, "have a very serious issue with librarians."
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how about some statistics?
on
2.2 vs 2.4
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· Score: 1
The author does not present the standard deviations of his results. Does this mean that there is no average of the timings? Does this mean that there was only one timing? I suspect that for most of the tests, there is no significant difference between 2.2 and 2.4. Of course, had he reported the statistics, then we would not be confused and suspicious of his (useless) report. --
I think you can make the argument that Interbase lost 'the battle' because they have a lousy marketing department. Until Interbase went Open Source (tm), I had never heard of it even though I have been building Oracle and Sybase applications for the past 5 years.
Sounds more like a marketing problem than a functionality problem.Interbase has cool features that other 'commercial' RDBMS do not have (like events).
Check out Interbase. Some folks were turned off due to their troubles with releasing the code and the infamous backdoor.
I have run it on Linux and NT for the past 6 months. I built a real estate lease entry and tracking system using Interbase, PHP, and Apache. It does support full transactions. It does support full FKs. I don't know how it compares to PostgreSQL, but PG was not an option as the client only has NT for the server.
I cannot stress how much I agree witht Lordrashmi. I am working on a project for my wife's former employer. I did not make them sign a contract (mistake 1) or fully describe the work to be completed on the project (mistake 2). I was stupid in thinking that the project would stay simple. In addition, my wife (an attorney) worked at this company and I was trying to enable her to stream line the tracking legal agreements in a database (the project).
The problems started when she left the company and the scope of the project increased about 500% -- after the accountants wanted their GAP reports tacked into the database.
I wanted to charge more money and they balked because I had given them a number for the original, simple project. We finally settled the amount of the increased project fee, but I ate a lot of hours and learned a hard lesson.
If you are contracting for someone you know - a friend or a spouse's company, do not let your personal relationship cloud your judgement. When push comes to shove and money has to change hands, friendly relationships can sour, so your best protection is to be honest and professional and do not ever accept contract programming without a contract!
The other piece of advice is to describe in great detail what you will deliver and put it in the contract. Then, when they want to add new stuff to the project (they always will want to do this), you will be forced to renegoitate the contract. This protects you and them because you can not do additional stuff they want because it is not in the contract. Alternatively, if you screw up and do not finish the project, they have a legal means to withhold the payment.
P.S. If you want an example contract, email me and I will send you the one I use now.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Lack of integrity constraints (like FKs) is a good example why both mSQL and MySQL blow chunks, compared to Interbase. The MySQL folks give their reasons not support FKs, but IMHO they are a load of crap.
In my 6 years of developing database applications (Oracle, Sybase, Interbase), lack of FKs is the #1 reason why databases contain unclean data. The MySQL approach of 'let the developer' worry about it is assinine - especially if you have multiple interfaces to insert / update data in your database (e.g., a web interface and a traditional client-server interface).
The only Good Thing (tm) everyone on/. says about MySQL is that it is 'fast'. Interbase seems just as fast a MySQL on my Linux box. (I have never timed their query response times and I would appreciate any published comparisions to dissuade me.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Hey Commie Boy -- the Socialist party in France came up with this brainiac idea to tax all digital media. Did you actually read the fscking article, or are you looking to run for office -- err, become appointed, Comrade!
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
URL rewriting is a technique that is used when not everyone who uses the web site has cookies enabled in their browser, yet the web site wants to keep session info. Non-techies (99.999% of the World) are none the wiser.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Hey pinhead, the italics in a story are the words of the author (not a/. person). Thus, they are the author's opinion, not a statement or indication (necessarily) of fact.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Slashdot Mirror
The article states that: Ultimately, the working group voted 3 to 1 to reject Ylonnen's request. Do you have a source for your 'somewhat split' assertion?
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Sounds like a Slashdot story about some Linux application, three years ago. Quicken, anyone?
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Reading the Kuro5hin (what does 'Kuro5hin' mean, anyway?) article, it sounds to me like he has mathematically described the concept of demographics. It appears that other media have figured out how ad rates change based on demographics.
For example, a daily newspaper or a prime-time network televsion show is 'fat' whereas most magazines and cable shows are 'thin'.
Related to the Yahoo! announcement, it sounds like Yahoo needs to be thin but has purchased so much content that it is actually fat.
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Interesting thought. So how much money is it worth when I find one of the numerous bugs I Oracle, even though Oracle never (rarely) fixes any of them? So I have to spend several days coding around these problems? What good is the 'service' that I am paying for?
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
I would argue that products such as Oracle require as much or more babysitting. I have developed applications that use Oracle for 5 years and would not recommend it unless you are willing to pay for DBA services. Oracle is a complex product that will not perform without 1+ competent DBAs. Is the same true for MySQL? PGSQL? Interbase? BTW-One of the 'selling points of Interbase is that:
Most SQL database server products require expensive MIS staffs to install, tune, and manage them. The InterBase design doesn't require hours of maintenance or a PhD in InterBase tuning. When your applications must run without constant supervision or when your desktop database runs out of steam, InterBase is the clear choice.
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
How about this evidence? I grant you that this source could be considered biased. (See below for another source).
How about some more evidence, on the same topic from the Salt Lake Tribune? Certainly the SLT is unbiased.For additional 'evidence' from the secular Salt Lake Tribune, try the links on this page. The evidence shows that the LDS 'church' is manuvering to control all print media in Utah. It is obvious to me that this type of behavior illustrates the point in my previous post.
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Pardon me, but I think this statement is naive. The voting masses have little to do with the Liquor laws in Utah and everything to do with the wealth of the LDS 'church' (term used loosely). The LDS church wields influence based on their power. Power of an organization is generally proportional to the economic influence of that organization and its members.
It would be great if the U.S. laws were not influenced by money and power and only by the 'voters', but it does not work this way.
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"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
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"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Which agreement is that? The one where I give up my 6th Amendment Rights?
Guilty until you pay off THE MAN! Where can I sign this FUCKING agreement?
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"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
IMHO - RMS is not afraid of Gates or Alchin or anyone. You may not always agree with him, but at least he is strong enough not to waiver or sell out his beliefs.
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
Hey Barney, keep imagining, because IMHO the publication of these calling convention will not happen. Why? Microsoft wants us to pay them for all those 'great formulas' for Excel that we can 'just download' off the web. Why would they allow just anyone the opportunity to develop formulae? Only tool companies like Corel will get in the game, mainly because Bill Gates paid for your sorry company.
How does it feel to be Bill Gates' BITCH?
Oh, yeah, but Microsoft isn't a monopoly...
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Are you being sarcastic? Because (former Congresswoman) Pat Schroeder is working for the publishers to take away books from libraries (from article)
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The author does not present the standard deviations of his results. Does this mean that there is no average of the timings? Does this mean that there was only one timing? I suspect that for most of the tests, there is no significant difference between 2.2 and 2.4. Of course, had he reported the statistics, then we would not be confused and suspicious of his (useless) report.
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If every Slashdot user gave US$5 ...
I think you can make the argument that Interbase lost 'the battle' because they have a lousy marketing department. Until Interbase went Open Source (tm), I had never heard of it even though I have been building Oracle and Sybase applications for the past 5 years.
Sounds more like a marketing problem than a functionality problem.Interbase has cool features that other 'commercial' RDBMS do not have (like events).
I have run it on Linux and NT for the past 6 months. I built a real estate lease entry and tracking system using Interbase, PHP, and Apache. It does support full transactions. It does support full FKs. I don't know how it compares to PostgreSQL, but PG was not an option as the client only has NT for the server.
Jabber.
Visit this page for the example contract and additional information.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
I cannot stress how much I agree witht Lordrashmi. I am working on a project for my wife's former employer. I did not make them sign a contract (mistake 1) or fully describe the work to be completed on the project (mistake 2). I was stupid in thinking that the project would stay simple. In addition, my wife (an attorney) worked at this company and I was trying to enable her to stream line the tracking legal agreements in a database (the project).
The problems started when she left the company and the scope of the project increased about 500% -- after the accountants wanted their GAP reports tacked into the database.
I wanted to charge more money and they balked because I had given them a number for the original, simple project. We finally settled the amount of the increased project fee, but I ate a lot of hours and learned a hard lesson.
If you are contracting for someone you know - a friend or a spouse's company, do not let your personal relationship cloud your judgement. When push comes to shove and money has to change hands, friendly relationships can sour, so your best protection is to be honest and professional and do not ever accept contract programming without a contract!
The other piece of advice is to describe in great detail what you will deliver and put it in the contract. Then, when they want to add new stuff to the project (they always will want to do this), you will be forced to renegoitate the contract. This protects you and them because you can not do additional stuff they want because it is not in the contract. Alternatively, if you screw up and do not finish the project, they have a legal means to withhold the payment.
P.S. If you want an example contract, email me and I will send you the one I use now.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
I agree. But what is the value of the data in the database (integrity) relative to the importance of getting it in there (speed)?
I am biased because the databases I build contain data that is valuable, so it is always a requirement that data is not corrupted.
How do you like PG? I compiled the database, but never built anything with it.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Lack of integrity constraints (like FKs) is a good example why both mSQL and MySQL blow chunks, compared to Interbase. The MySQL folks give their reasons not support FKs, but IMHO they are a load of crap.
In my 6 years of developing database applications (Oracle, Sybase, Interbase), lack of FKs is the #1 reason why databases contain unclean data. The MySQL approach of 'let the developer' worry about it is assinine - especially if you have multiple interfaces to insert / update data in your database (e.g., a web interface and a traditional client-server interface).
The only Good Thing (tm) everyone on /. says about MySQL is that it is 'fast'. Interbase seems just as fast a MySQL on my Linux box. (I have never timed their query response times and I would appreciate any published comparisions to dissuade me.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Hey Commie Boy -- the Socialist party in France came up with this brainiac idea to tax all digital media. Did you actually read the fscking article, or are you looking to run for office -- err, become appointed, Comrade!
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
URL rewriting is a technique that is used when not everyone who uses the web site has cookies enabled in their browser, yet the web site wants to keep session info. Non-techies (99.999% of the World) are none the wiser.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
With Slack, I download (ftp - mget) the packages to a non-system partition and install from there. Works great, no ISO images, no burning CDs, etc.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."
Hey pinhead, the italics in a story are the words of the author (not a /. person). Thus, they are the author's opinion, not a statement or indication (necessarily) of fact.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life."