I am pretty sure that what you described is the lgpl. It allows free libraries to be linked into no-free code. (like how the old star office linked glibc) If they didn't do that then basically nobody would be able to create a closed source app for linux.
Why? I hear this question and I really do not understand how to answer that. Kind of off topic but how can you explain Free Software to people who only hear the price aspects.I am not bashing that parent, there just seems to be people who like to have freedom and the ability to dig through source code to find out how something really works. He/She said that the main purpose of free software was to compete with windows and I really don't think that most developers even think about windows really (I know I don't). Not slamming,bashing, or flaming; it is just that I see this question a lot and yet have no way to explain it. It seems that you either get it or not. I hope that *BSD and Linux continue to develop their own product (of course borrowing from each other where needed) and I think that in the end they will both serve different communities (ie. like windows does for most people but not for me)
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Debian's apt seems to keep all of the dowloaded deb's in/var/cache/apt. It seems to keep even older versions which came in handy when exim broke on one of the updates in the unstable tree
First, I would like to say that what I have seen with BeOS is great, but I have a question to the knowldgable out there. Is BeOS a microkernel? lordtaw up here made the point that dynamically loaded device drivers had something to do with the core design of the OS. As far as I know both linux and Windows do some sort of dynamic driver loading (kernel modules on linux) and I know that neither of those are microkernel at all. Not to be argumentitive but I was under the assumption that there really aren't any production OS's that use a microkernel yet (OS X I thought would be the first...but I guess NeXT did also... so I don't know)
I was wondering if anyone has draw a parallel with what crystal space is doing with what the FSF did way back in it's early days (before the Linux) If I am not mistaken, did RMS use non-free dev tools and libraries in order to begin the FSF. Now I do believe that he felt it was wrong (back then) but he felt that the ends justified the means. This is similar to what the CS is doing now. Sure I am not, even for a second, believing that CS is trying to reach a moral high ground with this action but couldn't console development w/o big co. NDA's further the proliferation of free (speech) software. This is of course assuming that {Sony,Sega,Nintendo} doesn't just crush CS (or anybody trying to circumvent their dev. license). Not as simple as one would hope but it does make you think, right?
Well you can use it if you are using an open source driver (like I believe XFree 3.3.x, mabye even the stock 4.0) but not the one distributed by NVidia themseleves (at least the new one)
Believe me, I am not defending COBOL with that last post. I was just sharing my experience with having to deal with windows centric coursework and the confusion that I have gotten from people when I try to explain tot hem why I use linux and not windows. Also on the negitive number bit we learned that on the third lab.. But I understand how arcane it is...I could do the same thing that a 100 line COBOL program in about 10 in python/perl, and it is not that much more readable, but pre-reqs are a bitch right?
I'm in a first year college programming class and have definately noticed the same problem. Sure I am learning how to program in COBOL... There seems to be a different COBOL, not just for each platform but for each complier. Sadly though, there is no gnuCOBOL or any open source compiler (that will compile my HW) so I am forced to use the school's (at the school) because I do not have Windows even installed on my home computer. The funny thing is that when I ask the teachers about support for other platforms they kind of laugh and tell me not to forget "windows". They then basically blow me off. How fair is that. The only thing that makes me able to sleep at night is the fact that most of these students/teachers have to take/teach a UNIX class on linux. I hope that helps them to realize that Windows is not the only way.
"Shockwave is an abomination that should be wiped off the face of the web. "
I do not mean to flame here but are you really being serious. I really hate the whole "plug-in" rendered content but so far shockwave has made some really entertaining sites.. If only it can become a "satandard" so that all brosers and OS{es,i,whatever} can implement it, then it would be perfect. I mean I understand the hatred of all thing commercial but we have to have the ability to admit when things work well, even when we don't agree with their philosophy. Or else we, as a community, have absolutely no credibility.
no actually all the *Drak* stuff is new. Also nobody mentions Lothar. You were right (about the RedHat rip off stuff) up until about Mandrake 6.1. But with the new 7.x it definitely is its own distribution.
I was always uder the assumption that/. used MySQL not Oracle... but I could be wrong... Also slashdot (after the andover.net buy) runs with 4 servers now I think.. One SQL server and the traffic is load balanced between three linux/apache boxes. Now I am not a network engineer by any means but I am pretty sure that I have read this..
in Red Hat 6.0 the rc.d dirs are under the/etc dir. I thought that all of the linux distibutions have standardized under the FHS. I could of swore that, but I still don't know how that compares to real *NX's. Anyway there really isn't that much to argue about. I am sure that all the the OS differences are there for various reasons. So far, Liunx seems more desktop friendly in some of it's assumptions. While the BSD's seem to sound better in some larger operations. So instead of flaming, the communities should just focus on developing better software. Isn't it the desire to make better OS (not just a "my OS can beat up yours" type mentality) that is driving development of both. Seriously, ego have very little purpose in doing anything. (especially w/ software development).
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I am pretty sure that what you described is the lgpl. It allows free libraries to be linked into no-free code. (like how the old star office linked glibc) If they didn't do that then basically nobody would be able to create a closed source app for linux.
Why? I hear this question and I really do not understand how to answer that. Kind of off topic but how can you explain Free Software to people who only hear the price aspects.I am not bashing that parent, there just seems to be people who like to have freedom and the ability to dig through source code to find out how something really works. He/She said that the main purpose of free software was to compete with windows and I really don't think that most developers even think about windows really (I know I don't). Not slamming,bashing, or flaming; it is just that I see this question a lot and yet have no way to explain it. It seems that you either get it or not. I hope that *BSD and Linux continue to develop their own product (of course borrowing from each other where needed) and I think that in the end they will both serve different communities (ie. like windows does for most people but not for me)
Debian's apt seems to keep all of the dowloaded deb's in /var/cache/apt. It seems to keep even older versions which came in handy when exim broke on one of the updates in the unstable tree
First, I would like to say that what I have seen with BeOS is great, but I have a question to the knowldgable out there. Is BeOS a microkernel? lordtaw up here made the point that dynamically loaded device drivers had something to do with the core design of the OS. As far as I know both linux and Windows do some sort of dynamic driver loading (kernel modules on linux) and I know that neither of those are microkernel at all. Not to be argumentitive but I was under the assumption that there really aren't any production OS's that use a microkernel yet (OS X I thought would be the first...but I guess NeXT did also... so I don't know)
and with "perl for Dummies" on would have to have experiance in being dumb, right?
I was wondering if anyone has draw a parallel with what crystal space is doing with what the FSF did way back in it's early days (before the Linux) If I am not mistaken, did RMS use non-free dev tools and libraries in order to begin the FSF. Now I do believe that he felt it was wrong (back then) but he felt that the ends justified the means. This is similar to what the CS is doing now. Sure I am not, even for a second, believing that CS is trying to reach a moral high ground with this action but couldn't console development w/o big co. NDA's further the proliferation of free (speech) software. This is of course assuming that {Sony,Sega,Nintendo} doesn't just crush CS (or anybody trying to circumvent their dev. license). Not as simple as one would hope but it does make you think, right?
Well you can use it if you are using an open source driver (like I believe XFree 3.3.x, mabye even the stock 4.0) but not the one distributed by NVidia themseleves (at least the new one)
Believe me, I am not defending COBOL with that last post. I was just sharing my experience with having to deal with windows centric coursework and the confusion that I have gotten from people when I try to explain tot hem why I use linux and not windows. Also on the negitive number bit we learned that on the third lab.. But I understand how arcane it is...I could do the same thing that a 100 line COBOL program in about 10 in python/perl, and it is not that much more readable, but pre-reqs are a bitch right?
I'm in a first year college programming class and have definately noticed the same problem. Sure I am learning how to program in COBOL... There seems to be a different COBOL, not just for each platform but for each complier. Sadly though, there is no gnuCOBOL or any open source compiler (that will compile my HW) so I am forced to use the school's (at the school) because I do not have Windows even installed on my home computer. The funny thing is that when I ask the teachers about support for other platforms they kind of laugh and tell me not to forget "windows". They then basically blow me off. How fair is that. The only thing that makes me able to sleep at night is the fact that most of these students/teachers have to take/teach a UNIX class on linux. I hope that helps them to realize that Windows is not the only way.
"Shockwave is an abomination that should be wiped off the face of the web. "
I do not mean to flame here but are you really being serious. I really hate the whole "plug-in" rendered content but so far shockwave has made some really entertaining sites.. If only it can become a "satandard" so that all brosers and OS{es,i,whatever} can implement it, then it would be perfect. I mean I understand the hatred of all thing commercial but we have to have the ability to admit when things work well, even when we don't agree with their philosophy. Or else we, as a community, have absolutely no credibility.
no actually all the *Drak* stuff is new. Also nobody mentions Lothar. You were right (about the RedHat rip off stuff) up until about Mandrake 6.1. But with the new 7.x it definitely is its own distribution.
I was always uder the assumption that /. used MySQL not Oracle... but I could be wrong... Also slashdot (after the andover.net buy) runs with 4 servers now I think.. One SQL server and the traffic is load balanced between three linux/apache boxes. Now I am not a network engineer by any means but I am pretty sure that I have read this..
in Red Hat 6.0 the rc.d dirs are under the /etc dir. I thought that all of the linux distibutions have standardized under the FHS. I could of swore that, but I still don't know how that compares to real *NX's. Anyway there really isn't that much to argue about. I am sure that all the the OS differences are there for various reasons. So far, Liunx seems more desktop friendly in some of it's assumptions. While the BSD's seem to sound better in some larger operations. So instead of flaming, the communities should just focus on developing better software. Isn't it the desire to make better OS (not just a "my OS can beat up yours" type mentality) that is driving development of both. Seriously, ego have very little purpose in doing anything. (especially w/ software development).