The internal architecture of a disk controller is identical between the two types of drives. Only the Host connection, i.e. IDE or SCSI is different! Quantum's announcement isn't news - this has been true for years.
Let's see - PCI 1.0 can do 132MBytes/sec. Now that does limit a system that can produce 160Mbyte/sec - but not to 66 as per UDMA.
Further, it isn't SCSI that limits the speed of the drives, but rather the speed off the platter. The drives will BURST at 160 for blocks of data at some fraction of the size of the drives buffer.
So - then lets put 5 drives on the channel and stripe the data (can you say RAID) and you have a high performance channel that will saturate PCI.
UDMA can't keep up with that.
Oh - I'm not really an expert in the stuff. I've just designed disk controller chips and an Ultra 160 host adapter.
I thought that usually one tries to support the argument by a progressive series of facts supporting the initial propisition. The bit about an E-commerce business having a problem with sexual harassment seems to be un-related to the issue of being rude via email?
As for the topic itself... being flamed has been a time honored portion of the net since the earliest days (oh - I was around in 1985 on usenet and have seen some amazying flames.) I'd say the biggest differences are that back then, it wasn't anonymous and was done with some wit.
Yet it's always been here.
As per normal, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. When people send email it doesn't involve ANY of the normal queues used in human communication. The subtlety of facial expressions, voice inflection, etc. aren't available. Also the restrictions of offending the other person that is present in a face-to-face discussion are removed. Note - most people are much more willing to yell and argue with someone on a phone too. Seems to me to be the same thing. The guy you arguing with can't reach out and clobber you!
With this version of the Distro - I'd say that about the only thing in the Mandrake Distro that is RH like it the file-system layout nice and RH utilities (do like sndconfig;-)
Also - the new GUI install is NICE! I'd rank it 3rd behind Caldera and Corel as far as easy of use. The neat thing is it isn't totally dumbed down. They've also added there own disk tool, and new administration tools. Lastly - if I recall correctly, they are compiled for Pentium hardware. This is the distro for folks who know what they're doing - and want a nice desktop to boot.
Also - I've looked at the new Suse 6.3 GUI -it's primitive and extremely limited. It won't install into a great variety of hardware situations....stick with the original YAST install - don't bother with the new one!
Consider - the arguement that VHS copies are "okay" is due a quality loss versus the digital recording doesn't hold. MP3 is a LOSSY compression system. You automatically have lower fidelity than you do with the original digital recording. Certainly it IS true that you only suffer the initial compression loss since the data itself is capable of being copied losslessly... but that initial step IS lossy.
I think the copy-right holders are just pissed that people can MAKE they're own copies PERIOD.
Maybe it'll work this way. If you sell your code (based on linux) you must offer the customer the source code. Does that mean you must offer EVERYONE the source code - or JUST the customer?
Hmmm....
If it's just the customer, then there isn't a problem, but we wont see the changes either.
I was thinking about this too. Maybe it'll work this way. If you sell your code (based on linux) you must offer the customer the source code. Does that mean you must offer EVERYONE the source code - or JUST the customer? Hmmm.... If it's just the customer, then there isn't a problem, but we wont see the changes either.
Yes - but there is also this little thing called the supremacy clause that makes state and local laws subservient to Federal rights. Your freedom of speach is protected at the national level - and all lower government forms must abide by that as well.
If this wan't true, then it would still be possible to have jim crow laws, et al locally.
Ayep - now THAT would be common sense - and an example of parents taking responsibility for their kids. It isn't the communities problem, but the parents problem.
Now when the possibility of kids being exposed to porn via the library - I seem to remember these great medical texts I found at the public library...;-)
I'm pretty sure that at least one case has made it to some level of court here in Northern CA and the result was that limiting an adults' rights to protect the kids didn't wash. Stay tuned I guess.
Stop whinning about something that happened 100 years ago. For that matter, stop trying to apply todays' morality to issues of the past. Those same Founding fathers created something that is amazing. It's an on-going experiment in self-government. There is no King, Despot, Tyrant, or Dictator pulling the strings. (Well -with good ol' Clinton getting up there and stealing a million or so acres yesterday.... maybe.. but he won't be the Pres forever.)
Look - our predecessors were people. Some did marvelous things, and some did shameful things. In either case, as you said - you didn't do them, nor did I. Be amazed at how far we have managed to come!
Barry Goldwater following conservatives ARE against bigger/intrusive government.
The main problem with those who call themselves conservatives now-adays is 1) lack of common-sense a practicality as practiced by Mr G., and 2) crossing the divide that should exist between politics and the church!
I find it amusing that they have managed to let this come down to a UDP. @Home has some of the most draconian user rules in existance. If they were enforced at ANY level this wouldn't of happened.
The FCC was formed in 1934 - after a period where anyone COULD put up a transmitter and there WAS chaos on the air. So we've already tried that experiment(and by all accounts I've read - it failed miserably.) Now the FCC treats the airwaves not as THEIR property but OUR property. They are considered "in the public domain." They literally have the same status as the street in front of your house. Consequently, access to the airwaves moves from a right to a priviledge. So just as you can obtain a license to operate a motor vehicle on the public streets, you can get a license to operate a radio transmitter on the public airwaves. It's this difference that allows the FCC to regulate content. All the arguments about free speach and such aren't applicable because it isn't a right to operate a radio transmitter. Further, the FCC is the Federal COMMUNICATIONS Commission. So anything that has to do with electronic communication accross state boundaries becomes their operating venue. Simple as that. Thus they are responsible for regulation of telephony as well as radio broadcast. Last comment - Alot of people seem to think the FCC is an "evil" beauracracy. From my observations of them - there are too few of them to worry about. I know the local FCC office had maybe 15 people in 1980. It's now like 4. They are a mere shadow of the agency of the 1970's. It's the congress who keeps chartering them to do more stuff with less that you should worry about! Especially WHAT the congress is telling them to do - you know - things like the CDA come to mind!
Seriously, someone makes reference later in the thread to the flame war that was fought in the usenet amateur radio groups beginning way over 10 years ago. Phil and I were two of the participants. The thing was that Phil won the arguement 10 years ago with the creation of the no-code Tech license. The folks on the amateur radio usenet groups just haven't figured that out yet? I stopped reading those probably around the time the internet got popular mostly for that reason!
Funny thing is that even one of the main reasons for getting rid of the code didn't account for the popularity of the net. Many folks believe(d) that getting rid of the code will save ham radio. I think it's probably too late! All of the "new blood" that would have come into the hobby traditionally are now yacking at each other on IRC over the net. The magic is gone.
As for some of the old, tired arguments that are being repeated here in defense of code. Guys - the war was over ALONG time ago. The latest step is just another nail in the coffin.
Perhaps the only way to recover ham radio is to create whole new technologies (or at least rapidly adopt them to our own uses...) that might capture the imagination of the younger set again. We need a new "killer ap" beyond DX and repeaters! Those are kind of warn out. Maybe we need the ability to do the internet over ham radio at high speeds? The problem with that is the content rules! (Did those get lightened up with the new order too??)
In the states, the billing scheme differs between each state! In Pacific Bell territory in CA we are charge 0.01 cents/minute for each B channel during standard business hours and we get 120 hours of access per month during off hours for $30/month.
The problem I have with "There's really nothing wrong with that. It's their job to investigate.." is that the FBI can and has been used as a tool of intimidation/brutality over and over through-out it's history. See Nixon's use of same as an existance proof, or for a more recent version - the Filegate trick pulled by the Clintonistas to get the dirt on their Republican adversaries(not to mention interesting occurences like Waco where the agencies' credibility is trashed.)
You claim that they didn't harass him. Explain that to Richard Jewel(spelling??) another target of "just an investigation."
Indeed - that is why the Indian navy is buying up an old Soviet Aircraft carrier.
They also were at a loss for satellite imagery during the recent border skirmish with Pakistan and are going to work at orbiting their own imaging satellites.
China has it's own capabilities - usually underestimated in my opinion. China is not our friend - they are competition in many venues.
That is the REAL world - being the bigest badest guy on the block(read planet) has it's advantages. I'd rather be in that position personally. I KNOW the US isn't perfect, and is often a bully.(All you have to do is travel a little around the world to discover that.) You'll also discover that you have it better here than most places!
Don't come to Silicon Valley to work - you won't like the hours. Overtime with NO pay it the norm around here. It's part of the work ethic that is expected by both long established firms AND startups.
Just to accentuate the point - Imagninary number theory existed for around 100 years before Electrical Engineers found that it could be used to describe how AC circuitry works, and allows a consistant tie between DC and AC theory. Ohms simple ratio of I=E/R still holds true in both domains thanks to imaginary numbers on a polar coordinate system.
Actually - the architecture of Konquerer lives up to the ideas of unix. It is a display platform that uses OTHER applications to figure out the display. It doesn't carry their smarts around with it. Konquerer merely knows which application IS the expert to render that particular piece of the page and can communicate with it.
This seems well within the spirit of unix concepts of one application that does the single job well!
I had a very fun lunch with an OLD friend of mine who happens to be another Linux fanatic of long standing AND involved in a major router company. This topic was one of the many we covered and I learned something.
ISP's use the very same wire tapping feature to debug such mundane things as debugging why a customers' PPP dialup isn't succeeding! He said that their equipment had ALWAYS had this feature for the very simple reason that the customers (ISP's) demand it!
Someone early said that just because there is one legit reason for a feature -that the possibility for abuse are far greater and should be the deciding factor. Isn't this the VERY same argument being used by the DVD consortium against the CSS code release??????
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Just to second the above.
The internal architecture of a disk controller is identical between the two types of drives. Only the Host connection, i.e. IDE or SCSI is different! Quantum's announcement isn't news - this has been true for years.
Let's see - PCI 1.0 can do 132MBytes/sec. Now that does limit a system that can produce 160Mbyte/sec - but not to 66 as per UDMA.
;-)
Further, it isn't SCSI that limits the speed of the drives, but rather the speed off the platter. The drives will BURST at 160 for blocks of data at some fraction of the size of the drives buffer.
So - then lets put 5 drives on the channel and stripe the data (can you say RAID) and you have
a high performance channel that will saturate PCI.
UDMA can't keep up with that.
Oh - I'm not really an expert in the stuff. I've just designed disk controller chips and an Ultra 160 host adapter.
Summary - Horse Hocky!
I would imagine Linus get's infinite karma by definition!
;-)
I thought that usually one tries to support the argument by a progressive series of facts supporting the initial propisition. The bit about an E-commerce business having a problem with sexual harassment seems to be un-related to the issue of being rude via email?
As for the topic itself... being flamed has been a time honored portion of the net since the earliest days (oh - I was around in 1985 on usenet and have seen some amazying flames.) I'd say the biggest differences are that back then, it wasn't anonymous and was done with some wit.
Yet it's always been here.
As per normal, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. When people send email it doesn't involve ANY of the normal queues used in human communication. The subtlety of facial expressions, voice inflection, etc. aren't available. Also the restrictions of offending the other person that is present in a face-to-face discussion are removed. Note - most people are much more willing to yell and argue with someone on a phone too. Seems to me to be the same thing. The guy you arguing with can't reach out and clobber you!
With this version of the Distro - I'd say that about the only thing in the Mandrake Distro that is RH like it the file-system layout nice and RH utilities (do like sndconfig ;-)
Also - the new GUI install is NICE! I'd rank it 3rd behind Caldera and Corel as far as easy of use. The neat thing is it isn't totally dumbed down. They've also added there own disk tool, and new administration tools. Lastly - if I recall correctly, they are compiled for Pentium hardware. This is the distro for folks who know what they're doing - and want a nice desktop to boot.
Also - I've looked at the new Suse 6.3 GUI -it's primitive and extremely limited. It won't install into a great variety of hardware situations ....stick with the original YAST install - don't bother with the new one!
Consider - the arguement that VHS copies are "okay" is due a quality loss versus the digital recording doesn't hold. MP3 is a LOSSY compression system. You automatically have lower fidelity than you do with the original digital recording. Certainly it IS true that you only suffer the initial compression loss since the data itself is capable of being copied losslessly... but that initial step IS lossy.
I think the copy-right holders are just pissed that people can MAKE they're own copies PERIOD.
Just an observation.
I was thinking about this too.
Maybe it'll work this way. If you sell your code (based on linux) you must offer the customer the source code. Does that mean you must offer EVERYONE the source code - or JUST the customer?
Hmmm....
If it's just the customer, then there isn't a problem, but we wont see the changes either.
I was thinking about this too. Maybe it'll work this way. If you sell your code (based on linux) you must offer the customer the source code. Does that mean you must offer EVERYONE the source code - or JUST the customer? Hmmm.... If it's just the customer, then there isn't a problem, but we wont see the changes either.
Yes - but there is also this little thing called the supremacy clause that makes state and local laws subservient to Federal rights. Your freedom of speach is protected at the national level - and all lower government forms must abide by that as well.
If this wan't true, then it would still be possible to have jim crow laws, et al locally.
Ayep - now THAT would be common sense - and an example of parents taking responsibility for their kids. It isn't the communities problem, but the parents problem.
;-)
Now when the possibility of kids being exposed to porn via the library - I seem to remember these great medical texts I found at the public library...
I'm pretty sure that at least one case has made it to some level of court here in Northern CA and the result was that limiting an adults' rights to protect the kids didn't wash. Stay tuned I guess.
Stop whinning about something that happened 100 years ago. For that matter, stop trying to apply todays' morality to issues of the past. Those same Founding fathers created something that is amazing. It's an on-going experiment in self-government. There is no King, Despot, Tyrant, or Dictator pulling the strings. (Well -with good ol' Clinton getting up there and stealing a million or so acres yesterday.... maybe.. but he won't be the Pres forever.)
Look - our predecessors were people. Some did marvelous things, and some did shameful things. In either case, as you said - you didn't do them, nor did I. Be amazed at how far we have managed to come!
Barry Goldwater following conservatives ARE against bigger/intrusive government.
The main problem with those who call themselves conservatives now-adays is 1) lack of common-sense a practicality as practiced by Mr G., and 2) crossing the divide that should exist between politics and the church!
I've been an @home user for almost 3 years now.
/dev/null.
I find it amusing that they have managed to let this come down to a UDP. @Home has some of the most draconian user rules in existance. If they were enforced at ANY level this wouldn't of happened.
I suspect abuse@home.com =
The FCC was formed in 1934 - after a period where anyone COULD put up a transmitter and there WAS chaos on the air. So we've already tried that experiment(and by all accounts I've read - it failed miserably.) Now the FCC treats the airwaves not as THEIR property but OUR property. They are considered "in the public domain." They literally have the same status as the street in front of your house. Consequently, access to the airwaves moves from a right to a priviledge. So just as you can obtain a license to operate a motor vehicle on the public streets, you can get a license to operate a radio transmitter on the public airwaves. It's this difference that allows the FCC to regulate content. All the arguments about free speach and such aren't applicable because it isn't a right to operate a radio transmitter. Further, the FCC is the Federal COMMUNICATIONS Commission. So anything that has to do with electronic communication accross state boundaries becomes their operating venue. Simple as that. Thus they are responsible for regulation of telephony as well as radio broadcast. Last comment - Alot of people seem to think the FCC is an "evil" beauracracy. From my observations of them - there are too few of them to worry about. I know the local FCC office had maybe 15 people in 1980. It's now like 4. They are a mere shadow of the agency of the 1970's. It's the congress who keeps chartering them to do more stuff with less that you should worry about! Especially WHAT the congress is telling them to do - you know - things like the CDA come to mind!
uhm - no.
Packet radio was invented by the Aloha project
in Hawaii.
Now if you said - who made it practical and
inexpensive. That might be attributed to hams
in the form of the TNC-1/2.
steve
Ah - okay - but KA9Q isn't an AC to me ;-) I've been arguing/communicating with him for years ;-) Steve Ka6S
For the clueless moderator that put this to zero - This was GOOD advice. ARRL.org is the american national ham radio organization.
Sheesh!
As one aging elitist white guy to another -
;-)
"Your mother wears army boots!"
Seriously, someone makes reference later in the thread to the flame war that was fought in the usenet amateur radio groups beginning way over 10 years ago. Phil and I were two of the participants. The thing was that Phil won the arguement 10 years ago with the creation of the no-code Tech license. The folks on the amateur radio usenet groups just haven't figured that out yet? I stopped reading those probably around the time the internet got popular mostly for that reason!
Funny thing is that even one of the main reasons for getting rid of the code didn't account for the popularity of the net. Many folks believe(d) that getting rid of the code will save ham radio. I think it's probably too late! All of the "new blood" that would have come into the hobby traditionally are now yacking at each other on IRC over the net. The magic is gone.
As for some of the old, tired arguments that are being repeated here in defense of code. Guys - the war was over ALONG time ago. The latest step is just another nail in the coffin.
Perhaps the only way to recover ham radio is to create whole new technologies (or at least rapidly adopt them to our own uses...) that might capture the imagination of the younger set again. We need a new "killer ap" beyond DX and repeaters! Those are kind of warn out. Maybe we need the ability to do the internet over ham radio at high speeds? The problem with that is the content rules! (Did those get lightened up with the new order too??)
Whatever -
73 de Steve KA6S
This isn't "completely" accurate.
In the states, the billing scheme differs
between each state! In Pacific Bell territory in CA we are charge 0.01 cents/minute for each
B channel during standard business hours and
we get 120 hours of access per month during
off hours for $30/month.
Your mileage WILL vary state to state.
The problem I have with "There's really nothing wrong with that. It's their job to investigate.."
is that the FBI can and has been used as a tool of intimidation/brutality over and over through-out it's history. See Nixon's use of same as an existance proof, or for a more recent version - the Filegate trick pulled by the Clintonistas to get the dirt on their Republican adversaries(not to mention interesting occurences like Waco where the agencies' credibility is trashed.)
You claim that they didn't harass him. Explain that to Richard Jewel(spelling??) another target of "just an investigation."
Indeed - that is why the Indian navy is buying up an old Soviet Aircraft carrier.
They also were at a loss for satellite imagery during the recent border skirmish with Pakistan and are going to work at orbiting their own imaging satellites.
China has it's own capabilities - usually underestimated in my opinion. China is not our friend - they are competition in many venues.
That is the REAL world - being the bigest badest guy on the block(read planet) has it's advantages.
I'd rather be in that position personally. I KNOW the US isn't perfect, and is often a bully.(All you have to do is travel a little around the world to discover that.) You'll also discover that you have it better here than most places!
Don't come to Silicon Valley to work -
you won't like the hours. Overtime
with NO pay it the norm around here. It's
part of the work ethic that is expected
by both long established firms AND
startups.
Just my two cents worth.
Steve
Just to accentuate the point - Imagninary number theory existed for around 100 years before Electrical Engineers found that it could be used to describe how AC circuitry works, and allows a consistant tie between DC and AC theory. Ohms simple ratio of I=E/R still holds true in both domains thanks to imaginary numbers on a polar coordinate system.
Actually - the architecture of Konquerer lives
up to the ideas of unix. It is a display platform that uses OTHER applications to figure out the display. It doesn't carry their smarts around with it. Konquerer merely knows which application IS the expert to render that particular piece of the page and can communicate with it.
This seems well within the spirit of unix concepts of one application that does the single job well!
I had a very fun lunch with an OLD friend of mine who happens to be another Linux fanatic of long standing AND involved in a major router company. This topic was one of the many we covered and I learned something.
ISP's use the very same wire tapping feature to debug such mundane things as debugging why a customers' PPP dialup isn't succeeding! He said that their equipment had ALWAYS had this feature for the very simple reason that the customers (ISP's) demand it!
Someone early said that just because there is one legit reason for a feature -that the possibility for abuse are far greater and should be the deciding factor. Isn't this the VERY same argument being used by the DVD consortium against the CSS code release??????
Hmmm....