Umm...you do intend to retire some day, yes? Are you aware the U.S. is generating new people at below the replacement rate which means that when you retire, you can count on reduced benefits, including Medicare and SS?
Is there any information you leftist get right? We're generating new people below replacement, but we are importing 1,000,000 per year. As far as I know this is the largest amount of legal immigration on Earth.
But hey, good job cherry picking a detail and leaving out the associated details so it appears you are correct. Lying by omission is lying.
question: "Do you have any idea what "communism" means?" Let me give you a hint: It is not equal to "socialism".
Do you communists not know you have become parodies of yourself? That is exactly what communists say.. ALWAYS. The communist believes himself to be superior than all others. Nobody else got communism right.. They all implemented it incorrectly. Only our hero knows how to implement communism correctly. The level of ego is mind boggling.
Yeah, no fingerprint systems have ever been hacked. So you're right, fraud with a fingerprint system is absolutely not possible.. So it won't be possible for the guy who figures out how to do it to not only do direct fraud on the system, but he'll also sell the knowledge to other people who want to defraud the system.
You simply do not live in the same reality that the rest of us do. I can almost assure you that if you were to take a poll 99.9% of people here would agree that people will attempt to defraud any system and that no system has been constructed that is hack proof.
So make us an offer, Mr. President. Let's say you cut twenty billion bucks from the Defense budget request, you get ten billion for your wall and we get ten billion for Medicaid expansion. That's how democracy is supposed to work, you cut deals, you don't take hostages.
On a budget that is expected to be $1 trillion in the red.. Yeah.. Your solution sucks. How about we just cut the twenty billion so we don't have to borrow it and then pay interest on it for decades?
I think you'd be quick to find that, if we didn't have an FCC, there would be plenty of people who simply jammed radio stations to be an asshole. The same kind of people who see a blank wall and aren't happy until it's covered with graffiti or deface a website just to brag about defacing it. Destruction for the sake of destruction. People get off on weird things....
It's not a technicality you asshole. It's the way the system was set up from the start. Nothing has changed. You simply don't understand WHY it was set up the way it was set up, and that makes you an uneducated moron.
Your assumption is flawed. Plenty of voters are one-issue people. I.e. Even if they do want a wall, but they're pro-abortion (just as an example) they'll vote for the person keeping abortion even if that person is not for a wall.
You don't get to just say "62% didn't vote for him so they don't want a wall". It doesn't work like that and the fact that you do think it works that way.. well, that's a failure on your part.
But, we both know you're a liberal and facts don't count as much as feelz, so if it makes you good to say "62% blah blah blah" you'll say it.. 'cause it FEEEEELZ!
You're asking how fraud is possible? Are you serious? Oh I dunno.. thousands of ways.. A common fraud that exists with social security is when one person dies and the other doesn't tell the government.. They just let the checks keep coming.
You call me an idiot but you're a fucking moron who has no concept of crime.
My theory is that your only principle is "I can and should squash the inferior peasants." Most so-called Libertarians have such a primitive and false understanding of what "freedom" means.
My theory is that you are a cunt. You are willing to take what someone says and twist it and distort it right in front of their face and then claim they are an asshole.
He didn't say shit about squashing peasants. He said he wouldn't take free money on principle. The asshole in this conversation is YOU, not him.
Shouldn't you be off somewhere trying to convince people that communism works and all the history books are full of lies?
You are either delusional or one of those asshats who gets free healthcare that I have to pay for now.
My health insurance was FANTASTIC and literally doubled in cost after ACA was implemented. The very next month my premium had increased by 100% for the exact same coverage.
My choices were to pay the new doubled rate or to increase my deductible from $125/visit with $250/year max to $1000/visit with $2000/year max in which case my premium would only go up by 50%.
Yeah. ACA is awesome.. Just like every other fucking industry the government gets involved in.
And believe it or not, a lot of people love to work, and money is only a secondary reason for having a job.
.
And how many of those people who, if they have enough money to get by no matter what, will go back to that job of cleaning sewers? Who the fuck do you think is going to clean sewers? You're going to drive the wages of the sewer cleans through the roof.
If people don't have to do shit jobs, even as as last resort then nobody is going to do those jobs for less than premium pay. Why would I dig a ditch for $10/hour if I'm gonna get a check each month that covers my basic needs? Yeah, i want to get ahead.. But until you are offering $50/hour I ain't interested..I'll keep looking for something else. You see, there's no rush. It's not like I don't have enough money for rent / food / electricity.... Fuck you and your hard job.
With no demand on them, no time limit, no ultimate deadline, people will be able to get real choosy about what they do. And you can bet your ass they will get choosy. Life is about overcoming obstacles and learning to cope and exceed the demands of existing.
You don't build character or develop as a human if you have no obstacles to overcome. You can't just hope that if you knock out the most basic obstacles, like eating and living, that you aren't going to fuck up the whole stack. Every animal on Earth has to work at living. Why do you think humans get to skip this step? Why do you think they deserve to skip this step? Why are you so convinced that humans will not stagnate if you provide them with everything they need to live with no contribution on their part?
Obviously not. As everyone gets UBI, who the funk is needed to supervise it? Idiot...
You aren't nearly as clever as you think you are. Fraud exists, asshole. If there's a UBI program there will be people who will try to defraud it (double payments, triple payments.. etc etc). Thus there will need to be people supervising the program, investigating any suspected fraud, prosecuting any fraud discovered, preventing future fraud.... IDIOT
The point is in the claim of UBI causing (a significant portion of) citizens to be lazy because they will no longer work in jobs. I'm just saying that UBI doesn't have to cause citizens to stop working. There can still be a motivation to continue working even while receiving the basic income: you work because you want more money than the basic income which isn't enough to cover the poverty line by itself.
If you don't think some sizable portion of the population won't do a goddamn thing if they are getting a check is delusional at best. There will be some percentage of the population that does absolutely NOTHING extra. If the UBI isn't enough to keep them out of poverty then some fucking liberal will pick up a torch for them.... Liberals don't understand that people often are responsible for their own lot in life. If those liberals don't have anything else to do, believe me, they'll spend that time lobbying and bitching for even larger UBIs so nobody is in poverty. More and more money spent for nothing...
What if the basic income given to everybody was not even big enough to cover the poverty line?
Then it's not a UBI or you don't understand what the word "basic" means. In the context of UBI, the "basic" implies enough to live on. i.e. above the poverty line.
They've been trying UBI since the 1960s in Canada. We have the technology and resources to enable a leisure society with guaranteed minimum living conditions for everyone.
We *choose* to not do it.
You think that there's a system, that isn't some sort of delusional leftist hallucination, that would enable an entire society to live a life of lesiure?
Can you get me the name/number of your dealer? He's selling you some fantastic shit.
When are you fucking communists finally going to admit defeat? Your ideas do not work on paper and they do not work in real life. Communism never factors in the human element. Or, if it does, it's the kind of calculation that necessitates the removal of the "disruptive" elements. Any person with any ambition or drive to better their situation becomes a danger to order. Everyone is equal except the assholes at the top. And those they favor.... And those that have purchased status with bribes..... And those who are being rewarded.... i.e. nobody is fucking equal.
If CEO's get some jail time this stuff will stop right now!
What the fuck? Drug dealers get real jail time.. Have drugs gone away? You know how you get someone to not do drugs? You teach them. Show them what drugs can do.. The effects.. etc..
You know how you get fucked up apps to go away? Teach people about them. Laws don't do anything for prevention. You could arrest every CEO on the planet tomorrow and 5 days later there would be a new batch of shit apps put out with the blessings of a whole new crop of shit CEOs. People are greedy and they'll lie/cheat/steal to get money. The only way you can stop this is to TEACH PEOPLE.
also, a flashlight app?? this shit should be illegal, punishable by real jail time. this crap has got to stop!
That's why we have 80,000 pages of laws... How about "education"? Making shit illegal does not make it go away... (Drugs / Pyramid Schemes / Con Games).. Education is the most effective way to get rid of scams.
No. The US is similar in that a contract must have some measure of being "equitable" and you cannot agree to illegal acts.. etc. I dunno how the Europeans handle contracts, but I'd image that whatever the differences we aren't that far off.
The succeeding generation's problems are also a product of the first. Thanks for not doing your responsibility and just blaming younger people who can't have the same "benefits" and "hard work" as you did.
Spoken exactly like the entitled little cunt you are. I mean that seriously. You decry the preceding generation as this terrible thing. The same generation that extended your worthless lifespan. Two generations.. Two generations ago the average human lifespan on this mudball was 40. Forty years you ungrateful asshole.
Sixty years ago (3 generations) you died from most serious diseases and illnesses. Antibiotics were here, but they were new. Not everybody... most people had no hope of access to them. Certainly not globally and probably not nationally. If you got a serious cut and it got really infected you just died. Most of the shit we have cures for today (Type 2 diabetes, etc) had no cure back then. If you got them you died...
Half the people you see in a given day will make it to 76. That's 36 more years of life than just two generations ago. That is a massive increase. That's almost 50% more living.
But keep bitching about the previous generations and how they contributed nothing.. cunt
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Umm...you do intend to retire some day, yes? Are you aware the U.S. is generating new people at below the replacement rate which means that when you retire, you can count on reduced benefits, including Medicare and SS?
Is there any information you leftist get right? We're generating new people below replacement, but we are importing 1,000,000 per year. As far as I know this is the largest amount of legal immigration on Earth.
But hey, good job cherry picking a detail and leaving out the associated details so it appears you are correct. Lying by omission is lying.
Makes a fingerprint, the clerk checks the fingerprint with his paper records.
That would be easy. But then we had the clerk again.
Right. People are never bribed to commit fraud... Once again, fuck off.
Right. Your society is free of crime. It's all perfect. Fuck off.
You are really wound up. You just sit in your basement and shake with rage don't you?
question: "Do you have any idea what "communism" means?" Let me give you a hint: It is not equal to "socialism".
Do you communists not know you have become parodies of yourself? That is exactly what communists say.. ALWAYS. The communist believes himself to be superior than all others. Nobody else got communism right.. They all implemented it incorrectly. Only our hero knows how to implement communism correctly. The level of ego is mind boggling.
That empty and worthless "reply" was how you "freely" chose to start your new year.
Uh.. no... nope. It's still 2018 here... The new year is still in the future.
Hint: fingerprint ... or face recognition.
Yeah, no fingerprint systems have ever been hacked. So you're right, fraud with a fingerprint system is absolutely not possible.. So it won't be possible for the guy who figures out how to do it to not only do direct fraud on the system, but he'll also sell the knowledge to other people who want to defraud the system.
You simply do not live in the same reality that the rest of us do. I can almost assure you that if you were to take a poll 99.9% of people here would agree that people will attempt to defraud any system and that no system has been constructed that is hack proof.
So make us an offer, Mr. President. Let's say you cut twenty billion bucks from the Defense budget request, you get ten billion for your wall and we get ten billion for Medicaid expansion. That's how democracy is supposed to work, you cut deals, you don't take hostages.
On a budget that is expected to be $1 trillion in the red.. Yeah.. Your solution sucks. How about we just cut the twenty billion so we don't have to borrow it and then pay interest on it for decades?
I think you'd be quick to find that, if we didn't have an FCC, there would be plenty of people who simply jammed radio stations to be an asshole. The same kind of people who see a blank wall and aren't happy until it's covered with graffiti or deface a website just to brag about defacing it. Destruction for the sake of destruction. People get off on weird things....
It's not a technicality you asshole. It's the way the system was set up from the start. Nothing has changed. You simply don't understand WHY it was set up the way it was set up, and that makes you an uneducated moron.
Your assumption is flawed. Plenty of voters are one-issue people. I.e. Even if they do want a wall, but they're pro-abortion (just as an example) they'll vote for the person keeping abortion even if that person is not for a wall.
You don't get to just say "62% didn't vote for him so they don't want a wall". It doesn't work like that and the fact that you do think it works that way.. well, that's a failure on your part.
But, we both know you're a liberal and facts don't count as much as feelz, so if it makes you good to say "62% blah blah blah" you'll say it.. 'cause it FEEEEELZ!
You're asking how fraud is possible? Are you serious? Oh I dunno.. thousands of ways.. A common fraud that exists with social security is when one person dies and the other doesn't tell the government.. They just let the checks keep coming.
You call me an idiot but you're a fucking moron who has no concept of crime.
My theory is that your only principle is "I can and should squash the inferior peasants." Most so-called Libertarians have such a primitive and false understanding of what "freedom" means.
My theory is that you are a cunt. You are willing to take what someone says and twist it and distort it right in front of their face and then claim they are an asshole.
He didn't say shit about squashing peasants. He said he wouldn't take free money on principle. The asshole in this conversation is YOU, not him.
Shouldn't you be off somewhere trying to convince people that communism works and all the history books are full of lies?
You are either delusional or one of those asshats who gets free healthcare that I have to pay for now.
My health insurance was FANTASTIC and literally doubled in cost after ACA was implemented. The very next month my premium had increased by 100% for the exact same coverage.
My choices were to pay the new doubled rate or to increase my deductible from $125/visit with $250/year max to $1000/visit with $2000/year max in which case my premium would only go up by 50%.
Yeah. ACA is awesome.. Just like every other fucking industry the government gets involved in.
And believe it or not, a lot of people love to work, and money is only a secondary reason for having a job.
.
And how many of those people who, if they have enough money to get by no matter what, will go back to that job of cleaning sewers? Who the fuck do you think is going to clean sewers? You're going to drive the wages of the sewer cleans through the roof.
If people don't have to do shit jobs, even as as last resort then nobody is going to do those jobs for less than premium pay. Why would I dig a ditch for $10/hour if I'm gonna get a check each month that covers my basic needs? Yeah, i want to get ahead.. But until you are offering $50/hour I ain't interested..I'll keep looking for something else. You see, there's no rush. It's not like I don't have enough money for rent / food / electricity.... Fuck you and your hard job.
With no demand on them, no time limit, no ultimate deadline, people will be able to get real choosy about what they do. And you can bet your ass they will get choosy. Life is about overcoming obstacles and learning to cope and exceed the demands of existing.
You don't build character or develop as a human if you have no obstacles to overcome. You can't just hope that if you knock out the most basic obstacles, like eating and living, that you aren't going to fuck up the whole stack. Every animal on Earth has to work at living. Why do you think humans get to skip this step? Why do you think they deserve to skip this step? Why are you so convinced that humans will not stagnate if you provide them with everything they need to live with no contribution on their part?
Right, because someone who supports her institute can't possibly have any ideas on any subject that could possibly be valid.
You're a cunt. I hope that if you didn't know that before at least you know it now.
Obviously not. As everyone gets UBI, who the funk is needed to supervise it? Idiot ...
You aren't nearly as clever as you think you are. Fraud exists, asshole. If there's a UBI program there will be people who will try to defraud it (double payments, triple payments.. etc etc). Thus there will need to be people supervising the program, investigating any suspected fraud, prosecuting any fraud discovered, preventing future fraud.... IDIOT
The point is in the claim of UBI causing (a significant portion of) citizens to be lazy because they will no longer work in jobs. I'm just saying that UBI doesn't have to cause citizens to stop working. There can still be a motivation to continue working even while receiving the basic income: you work because you want more money than the basic income which isn't enough to cover the poverty line by itself.
If you don't think some sizable portion of the population won't do a goddamn thing if they are getting a check is delusional at best. There will be some percentage of the population that does absolutely NOTHING extra. If the UBI isn't enough to keep them out of poverty then some fucking liberal will pick up a torch for them.... Liberals don't understand that people often are responsible for their own lot in life. If those liberals don't have anything else to do, believe me, they'll spend that time lobbying and bitching for even larger UBIs so nobody is in poverty. More and more money spent for nothing...
What if the basic income given to everybody was not even big enough to cover the poverty line?
Then it's not a UBI or you don't understand what the word "basic" means. In the context of UBI, the "basic" implies enough to live on. i.e. above the poverty line.
They've been trying UBI since the 1960s in Canada. We have the technology and resources to enable a leisure society with guaranteed minimum living conditions for everyone.
We *choose* to not do it.
You think that there's a system, that isn't some sort of delusional leftist hallucination, that would enable an entire society to live a life of lesiure?
Can you get me the name/number of your dealer? He's selling you some fantastic shit.
When are you fucking communists finally going to admit defeat? Your ideas do not work on paper and they do not work in real life. Communism never factors in the human element. Or, if it does, it's the kind of calculation that necessitates the removal of the "disruptive" elements. Any person with any ambition or drive to better their situation becomes a danger to order. Everyone is equal except the assholes at the top. And those they favor.... And those that have purchased status with bribes..... And those who are being rewarded.... i.e. nobody is fucking equal.
What the hell are you blathering about?
There needs to be penalties.
If CEO's get some jail time this stuff will stop right now!
What the fuck? Drug dealers get real jail time.. Have drugs gone away? You know how you get someone to not do drugs? You teach them. Show them what drugs can do.. The effects.. etc..
You know how you get fucked up apps to go away? Teach people about them. Laws don't do anything for prevention. You could arrest every CEO on the planet tomorrow and 5 days later there would be a new batch of shit apps put out with the blessings of a whole new crop of shit CEOs. People are greedy and they'll lie/cheat/steal to get money. The only way you can stop this is to TEACH PEOPLE.
also, a flashlight app?? this shit should be illegal, punishable by real jail time. this crap has got to stop!
That's why we have 80,000 pages of laws... How about "education"? Making shit illegal does not make it go away... (Drugs / Pyramid Schemes / Con Games).. Education is the most effective way to get rid of scams.
No. The US is similar in that a contract must have some measure of being "equitable" and you cannot agree to illegal acts.. etc. I dunno how the Europeans handle contracts, but I'd image that whatever the differences we aren't that far off.
The succeeding generation's problems are also a product of the first. Thanks for not doing your responsibility and just blaming younger people who can't have the same "benefits" and "hard work" as you did.
Spoken exactly like the entitled little cunt you are. I mean that seriously. You decry the preceding generation as this terrible thing. The same generation that extended your worthless lifespan. Two generations.. Two generations ago the average human lifespan on this mudball was 40. Forty years you ungrateful asshole.
Sixty years ago (3 generations) you died from most serious diseases and illnesses. Antibiotics were here, but they were new. Not everybody... most people had no hope of access to them. Certainly not globally and probably not nationally. If you got a serious cut and it got really infected you just died. Most of the shit we have cures for today (Type 2 diabetes, etc) had no cure back then. If you got them you died...
Half the people you see in a given day will make it to 76. That's 36 more years of life than just two generations ago. That is a massive increase. That's almost 50% more living.
But keep bitching about the previous generations and how they contributed nothing.. cunt