Why are shitty internet appliances internet facing? this is exactly what NAT is for. you have to TRY to make the device face the internet in the majority of the world.
No it's not, that is NOT what NAT was made form. NAT was made because we ran out of fucking IP addresses. Some internet appliances HAVE to face the internet.. That's what they're made for... What the fuck good is a remote security camera that you cannot access from OUTSIDE?
So you're not gonna bitch when they add $50 to each device because they have to create additional steps in the manufacturing process, instead of educating stupid people about the importance of changing default passwords you would rather have mommy Pelosi make the bad man do it for you?
I can buy a router, today, that costs less than $50 that has a unique password on a sticker on the bottom of the device.
Having millions of devices with shitty security internet facing is a bad idea whether it be a microwave or a toaster or a camera or a fucking windows 10 pc.
You're angry at the wrong thing here. If you open ports in your NAT to access your IoT device and you're dumb enough to NOT CHANGE PASSWORDS!!! It is YOU that deserves to be fined, and to pay the damages resulting in your shitty device harming others.
You mouth breathing idiot.... When millions of people don't update their router, my network gets attacked by all those zombie pieces of shit. When a company ships a more secure device, by default, I don't... I favor the odds of one company fixing the problem THAT THEY FUCKING MADE, then asking 10,000,000 people to update their device and hoping every single one of them does. This is simple goddamn math.
You have a problem with seat belts too don't you?
DO NOT SHIP DEVICES THAT ARE DEFECTIVE OUT OF THE BOX.
I'm gonna go ahead and ignore you from here anyhow.. I'm not a liberal as your Pelosi quip is trying to imply. I'm very conservative... I think that the company that makes the problem (a lock with a key everyone can look up on the internet) should fix the fucking problem. I can also do basic math.. It is more efficient for one company to fix their problem than ask, potentially, millions of customers to fix the problem that they DID NOT MAKE.
I'd say that's the right track.. Fining a company itself isn't enough.. Yes, you need to make the actual bad actors part of the punishment.
I'd propose firing the CEO and VP... Say.. 20% of upper management.. Not enough to cripple the company (we have jobs to worry about), but enough that there is lots of self-interest in not doing the illegal act and then publicize the crap out of it.. Video the asshole being shown the door by security.. There is a lot of motivation in some public humiliation as a legal punishment... Maybe strip the 20%, CEO, and VP of their stock or stock options...Remove any/all influence they have with the company..
You're still missing the point. The energy density of gasoline is such that a person _could_ (not would) carry enough energy, in the form of gasoline, to cross the entire continent in one go. Total weight = about 1,100 lbs.
Total weight to cross the USA using batteries would weight at least 5x that under the best scenarios and, under published data, a lot closer to 10x.
If you're gonna keep up with the strawmen..... Rest stops are irrelevant to the discussion.
There are places in the United States where you are NOT going to find a recharge station.
CHEMICAL ENERGY will be with us for a while longer because, for the moment, the range it provides is superior and the "recharge" time is also superior.
I gotta agree with the GP.. If the telecoms don't permit third party spoofing, it wouldn't happen.. They control the network... They can enable/disable it...
If it doesn't occur in Europe, then they have apparently figured out how to disable it..
First party spoofing is fine.. As many have pointed out, it's nice that all outbound calls from a single company have the same Caller ID.
On the other hand, I shouldn't be able to show "Joe's Fish Shack" as the caller ID from a call on my home phone if I have no connection to Joe's Fish Shack. The technology to permit this should not be in place.. Telecoms should assign the Caller ID.. Not the asshole making the phone call.
No no no.. You misunderstood. I wasn't making a statement about titles. I know we normally are referring to Representative Republics when we say Democracy. I was going beyond that.
In a pure democracy (California has a hybrid of Democracy and Republic, whereby the people can directly propose, vote, and enact laws) compromise is what you have to have to get shit done.. It can also lead to a tyranny of the majority...
I was simply stating that in a true democracy, you do have to compromise.. I don't like compromise, most of the time. I want "my guy" to stick to his guns and not back down.. I prefer a Republic to a True Democracy. Compromise leads to bastardized solutions and, quite often, it's used to strip us of our rights, a little bit at a time.
Side A wants all guns gone.. Side B wants no guns gone.. So we compromise and take away some guns... I don't like this.. I want my Side B legislator to hold his fucking ground and not let Side A strip me of my rights a few guns at a time, as an example.
Hopefully that makes a little more sense for what I was trying to get across.
Democracy is supposed to be about compromise, but America seems to be about sticking it to the other side lately, something that can't end good.
Democracy maybe.. But not constitutional republics.. That's why we have a constitution. The whole idea of a constitutional republic is to prevent the tyranny of the majority.
I see no reason, whatsoever, to compromise if I think my core rights are being infringed. I didn't get these rights from government, they exist independent of it.
I have the... well, I'm an aethiest, but for lack of a better term, God given right to defend my life, to speak my mind, to associate with those I want to associate with, and to live in peace.
I also believe you have those same rights.. But if you try to take mine away, we'll have serious violence.
I didn't miss the point.. But yes, I did have a problem with the phrasing.
It was inaccurate. Saying "guns kill people" shifts the blame from the psycho to an inanimate object. Lefties know this too, or we wouldn't have murder trials... We'd just destroy the gun and go about our business.
Yeah. Personal responsibility... How about the manufacturers deliver a product that isn't hackable one second after connection to the internet? Ya know, the responsibility of delivering a non-defective product.
Personal responsibility is responsibility for MY actions. They need to be responsible for their actions, as well.. Loading up a billion devices with the same username/password is not responsible. Would you be happy if my key, to my front door, opened your front door as well? I doubt it....
Default usernames/passwords that are identical across millions of devices is a BAD IDEA.
I didn't ignore it. Just a track record of failure to me is.... well... a track record of failure. At that point I'd rather go with the gamble of an unknown vs someone who fails again and again.. Maybe failure-guy just absolutely sucks...
I know you specified that you'd need to be "convinced", but to me, talk is cheap.. I'd look at the results.
Never implied that they did pay the people.. But either way Vizio is out a boatload of money. If you feel you are entitled to more, even having fronted absolutely zero cost and therefore zero risk, you are free to withdraw from the class and sue them on your own.
This goes back to the old "you don't get something for nothing". You risk nothing, you get nothing. Sounds about right, to be perfectly honest.
Your way is cost inefficient. Each enforcement action would result in 1 device being "fixed". Mandating it on all devices, from the manufacturer, fixes ALL of the devices.
Maybe you disagree with this method, but your system cannot work.. Our courts could not handle millions of small cases like this.. Hell, the DA couldn't handle millions of small cases, even if they never go to court..
When you have two solutions, and one solution cannot possibly work......
Generating unique passwords for every device they produce incurs a cost, assigning each device a default password costs almost nothing.
well, more and more routers are coming with unique (or semi-unique) passwords that are printed on a sticker on the bottom of the router, and have been for years.
If they can do it, so can other companies. Mandate it for everyone and it's a cost-of-business. It's a cost, yes, but a cost borne by all in the market so it doesn't give anyone an unfair advantage or put anyone else at a disadvantage.
Really? Not every device has a serial number, and typically the serial number is on the outside of the box, which means find the box a unit came in, you've got the device password.
Learn the mfg uses serial number as default password, and if you can lay hands on the device, you can see serial number and voila you have the password.
At least this requires you to find the fucking box.. Right now default passwords are common knowledge. Every Linksys is admin/password (or at least was the last time I used one of those pieces-of-shit.).
Change can come in small steps, ya know. We don't have to go from totally open to Fort Knox in one step.
Will nothing ever make you people happy? Or do you just like to bitch to hear yourself talk?
Besides, finding the box and having the password is only valid if the owner doesn't change the password. So your situation of "find the box and have the password" isn't 100% either..
The citizens can do that. The state just needs to have a website for reporting noncompliance.
This is something that costs manufacturers almost nothing. So why would they refuse to comply?
That was my line of thought as well.. Some folks just don't have any ability to think a situation through..
Toss in a small financial reward for successful reporting (funded by penalties against the manufacturers), and you'd have an army of citizens examining everything.
When I was in the USAF, they instituted a program where the rank and file could identify cases of fraud/waste and get a 10% reward (with a monetary cap of $100K/year if memory serves). We had a SSgt who would spend a crap load of his free time pouring over invoices and purchase orders. He hit the cap one year.. Not bad for a base pay of around $30K/year.
It cost the USAF nothing for people to look, and when something was found, they still realized a savings of 90%.. Also not bad...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
San Francisco began registering non-citizens, including undocumented immigrants, to register to vote Monday in the November election for the city school board, reported The San Francisco Chronicle.
I had an issue with this at first (I'm fairly conservative). But, after doing a bit of research, I learned that this is not new. It's been done frequently over the entire lifespan of our nation. And no, not just in California. The states created from the original 13 colonies had these policies as well.
It has always been done in a very limited manner.. Usually a "representation for taxation" situation. Town councils, county boards, that type of situation.
I no longer have a problem with legal non-citizens voting in some limited elections IF they have a taxable stake in it. But, I do maintain my opposition to ANY illegal alien getting to vote for ANYTHING.
Come here legally and we can have a discussion on what you should, as a non-citizen, be able to vote for.. Sneak over the border and you can fuck off.
It doesn't matter. He took the money and didn't deliver.
Doesn't matter if he open sources the mostly useless code aftre half a decade, he still took the money and didn't deliver. What the fuck don't you understand about the whole "he took the money and didn't deliver" thing ? For all pratical purposes he took the money and ran....
Of course it matters, you complete asshole. The law requires INTENT. What the fuck don't you understand about that?
You aren't head of state. You have no legal, or moral, right to speak for all of us. I don't try to fuck anyone over.. Thus your argument is 100% false and you are a cunt.
Fraud requires INTENT. (or at least negligence beyond reason)
Trying and failing is not fraud. Edison tried/failed hundreds of times to get the light bulb working (and burned through a lot of investor cash). Are you implying that had he ultimately failed, he'd have been guilty of fraud?
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Why are shitty internet appliances internet facing? this is exactly what NAT is for. you have to TRY to make the device face the internet in the majority of the world.
No it's not, that is NOT what NAT was made form. NAT was made because we ran out of fucking IP addresses. Some internet appliances HAVE to face the internet.. That's what they're made for... What the fuck good is a remote security camera that you cannot access from OUTSIDE?
So you're not gonna bitch when they add $50 to each device because they have to create additional steps in the manufacturing process, instead of educating stupid people about the importance of changing default passwords you would rather have mommy Pelosi make the bad man do it for you?
I can buy a router, today, that costs less than $50 that has a unique password on a sticker on the bottom of the device.
Having millions of devices with shitty security internet facing is a bad idea whether it be a microwave or a toaster or a camera or a fucking windows 10 pc.
You're angry at the wrong thing here. If you open ports in your NAT to access your IoT device and you're dumb enough to NOT CHANGE PASSWORDS!!! It is YOU that deserves to be fined, and to pay the damages resulting in your shitty device harming others.
You mouth breathing idiot.... When millions of people don't update their router, my network gets attacked by all those zombie pieces of shit. When a company ships a more secure device, by default, I don't... I favor the odds of one company fixing the problem THAT THEY FUCKING MADE, then asking 10,000,000 people to update their device and hoping every single one of them does. This is simple goddamn math.
You have a problem with seat belts too don't you?
DO NOT SHIP DEVICES THAT ARE DEFECTIVE OUT OF THE BOX.
I'm gonna go ahead and ignore you from here anyhow.. I'm not a liberal as your Pelosi quip is trying to imply. I'm very conservative... I think that the company that makes the problem (a lock with a key everyone can look up on the internet) should fix the fucking problem. I can also do basic math.. It is more efficient for one company to fix their problem than ask, potentially, millions of customers to fix the problem that they DID NOT MAKE.
That clear enough for you, asshole?
I'd say that's the right track.. Fining a company itself isn't enough.. Yes, you need to make the actual bad actors part of the punishment.
I'd propose firing the CEO and VP... Say.. 20% of upper management.. Not enough to cripple the company (we have jobs to worry about), but enough that there is lots of self-interest in not doing the illegal act and then publicize the crap out of it.. Video the asshole being shown the door by security.. There is a lot of motivation in some public humiliation as a legal punishment... Maybe strip the 20%, CEO, and VP of their stock or stock options...Remove any/all influence they have with the company..
You're still missing the point. The energy density of gasoline is such that a person _could_ (not would) carry enough energy, in the form of gasoline, to cross the entire continent in one go. Total weight = about 1,100 lbs.
Total weight to cross the USA using batteries would weight at least 5x that under the best scenarios and, under published data, a lot closer to 10x.
If you're gonna keep up with the strawmen..... Rest stops are irrelevant to the discussion.
There are places in the United States where you are NOT going to find a recharge station.
CHEMICAL ENERGY will be with us for a while longer because, for the moment, the range it provides is superior and the "recharge" time is also superior.
I gotta agree with the GP.. If the telecoms don't permit third party spoofing, it wouldn't happen.. They control the network... They can enable/disable it...
If it doesn't occur in Europe, then they have apparently figured out how to disable it..
First party spoofing is fine.. As many have pointed out, it's nice that all outbound calls from a single company have the same Caller ID.
On the other hand, I shouldn't be able to show "Joe's Fish Shack" as the caller ID from a call on my home phone if I have no connection to Joe's Fish Shack. The technology to permit this should not be in place.. Telecoms should assign the Caller ID.. Not the asshole making the phone call.
No no no.. You misunderstood. I wasn't making a statement about titles. I know we normally are referring to Representative Republics when we say Democracy. I was going beyond that.
In a pure democracy (California has a hybrid of Democracy and Republic, whereby the people can directly propose, vote, and enact laws) compromise is what you have to have to get shit done.. It can also lead to a tyranny of the majority...
I was simply stating that in a true democracy, you do have to compromise.. I don't like compromise, most of the time. I want "my guy" to stick to his guns and not back down.. I prefer a Republic to a True Democracy. Compromise leads to bastardized solutions and, quite often, it's used to strip us of our rights, a little bit at a time.
Side A wants all guns gone.. Side B wants no guns gone.. So we compromise and take away some guns... I don't like this.. I want my Side B legislator to hold his fucking ground and not let Side A strip me of my rights a few guns at a time, as an example.
Hopefully that makes a little more sense for what I was trying to get across.
Democracy is supposed to be about compromise, but America seems to be about sticking it to the other side lately, something that can't end good.
Democracy maybe.. But not constitutional republics.. That's why we have a constitution. The whole idea of a constitutional republic is to prevent the tyranny of the majority.
I see no reason, whatsoever, to compromise if I think my core rights are being infringed. I didn't get these rights from government, they exist independent of it.
I have the... well, I'm an aethiest, but for lack of a better term, God given right to defend my life, to speak my mind, to associate with those I want to associate with, and to live in peace.
I also believe you have those same rights.. But if you try to take mine away, we'll have serious violence.
I didn't miss the point.. But yes, I did have a problem with the phrasing.
It was inaccurate. Saying "guns kill people" shifts the blame from the psycho to an inanimate object. Lefties know this too, or we wouldn't have murder trials... We'd just destroy the gun and go about our business.
Yeah. Personal responsibility... How about the manufacturers deliver a product that isn't hackable one second after connection to the internet? Ya know, the responsibility of delivering a non-defective product.
Personal responsibility is responsibility for MY actions. They need to be responsible for their actions, as well.. Loading up a billion devices with the same username/password is not responsible. Would you be happy if my key, to my front door, opened your front door as well? I doubt it....
Default usernames/passwords that are identical across millions of devices is a BAD IDEA.
I didn't ignore it. Just a track record of failure to me is.... well... a track record of failure. At that point I'd rather go with the gamble of an unknown vs someone who fails again and again.. Maybe failure-guy just absolutely sucks...
I know you specified that you'd need to be "convinced", but to me, talk is cheap.. I'd look at the results.
Never implied that they did pay the people.. But either way Vizio is out a boatload of money. If you feel you are entitled to more, even having fronted absolutely zero cost and therefore zero risk, you are free to withdraw from the class and sue them on your own.
This goes back to the old "you don't get something for nothing". You risk nothing, you get nothing. Sounds about right, to be perfectly honest.
Das racist.
It'd be sexist... not racist.
I dunno.. Your option of #2 would tell me that these people haven't learned any valuable lessons.. I'd actually choose #3 over #2.
My reply wasn't actually about the grammar.
When inaccuracies are used over and over they tend to become ingrained.
like a famous gun that killed someone
Nope.. A gun might be used to kill someone, but the gun, itself, doesn't kill anyone.
Yes, there is a difference.
How are you getting the MAC address over the idiot, you retarded cretin?
This is a very good question.. I have to ask, though, were you are finding idiots that have MAC addresses?
Your way is cost inefficient. Each enforcement action would result in 1 device being "fixed". Mandating it on all devices, from the manufacturer, fixes ALL of the devices.
Maybe you disagree with this method, but your system cannot work.. Our courts could not handle millions of small cases like this.. Hell, the DA couldn't handle millions of small cases, even if they never go to court..
When you have two solutions, and one solution cannot possibly work......
Generating unique passwords for every device they produce incurs a cost, assigning each device a default password costs almost nothing.
well, more and more routers are coming with unique (or semi-unique) passwords that are printed on a sticker on the bottom of the router, and have been for years.
If they can do it, so can other companies. Mandate it for everyone and it's a cost-of-business. It's a cost, yes, but a cost borne by all in the market so it doesn't give anyone an unfair advantage or put anyone else at a disadvantage.
Really? Not every device has a serial number, and typically the serial number is on the outside of the box, which means find the box a unit came in, you've got the device password.
Learn the mfg uses serial number as default password, and if you can lay hands on the device, you can see serial number and voila you have the password.
At least this requires you to find the fucking box.. Right now default passwords are common knowledge. Every Linksys is admin/password (or at least was the last time I used one of those pieces-of-shit.).
Change can come in small steps, ya know. We don't have to go from totally open to Fort Knox in one step.
Will nothing ever make you people happy? Or do you just like to bitch to hear yourself talk?
Besides, finding the box and having the password is only valid if the owner doesn't change the password. So your situation of "find the box and have the password" isn't 100% either..
The citizens can do that. The state just needs to have a website for reporting noncompliance.
This is something that costs manufacturers almost nothing. So why would they refuse to comply?
That was my line of thought as well.. Some folks just don't have any ability to think a situation through..
Toss in a small financial reward for successful reporting (funded by penalties against the manufacturers), and you'd have an army of citizens examining everything.
When I was in the USAF, they instituted a program where the rank and file could identify cases of fraud/waste and get a 10% reward (with a monetary cap of $100K/year if memory serves). We had a SSgt who would spend a crap load of his free time pouring over invoices and purchase orders. He hit the cap one year.. Not bad for a base pay of around $30K/year.
It cost the USAF nothing for people to look, and when something was found, they still realized a savings of 90%.. Also not bad...
School board is a county level election.
No it's not. Not in California.. School board is a DISTRICT election.
Live outside the district, even in the same county, and you do not get to vote for the school board.
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
San Francisco began registering non-citizens, including undocumented immigrants, to register to vote Monday in the November election for the city school board, reported The San Francisco Chronicle.
I had an issue with this at first (I'm fairly conservative). But, after doing a bit of research, I learned that this is not new. It's been done frequently over the entire lifespan of our nation. And no, not just in California. The states created from the original 13 colonies had these policies as well.
It has always been done in a very limited manner.. Usually a "representation for taxation" situation. Town councils, county boards, that type of situation.
I no longer have a problem with legal non-citizens voting in some limited elections IF they have a taxable stake in it. But, I do maintain my opposition to ANY illegal alien getting to vote for ANYTHING.
Come here legally and we can have a discussion on what you should, as a non-citizen, be able to vote for.. Sneak over the border and you can fuck off.
It doesn't matter. He took the money and didn't deliver. Doesn't matter if he open sources the mostly useless code aftre half a decade, he still took the money and didn't deliver. What the fuck don't you understand about the whole "he took the money and didn't deliver" thing ? For all pratical purposes he took the money and ran....
Of course it matters, you complete asshole. The law requires INTENT. What the fuck don't you understand about that?
You aren't head of state. You have no legal, or moral, right to speak for all of us. I don't try to fuck anyone over.. Thus your argument is 100% false and you are a cunt.
No it's not.... unless you can PROVE he never gave it an honest effort. The burden of proof is on YOU.
Once again, go fuck off back to your basement.
That's not fraud, asshole.
Fraud requires INTENT. (or at least negligence beyond reason)
Trying and failing is not fraud. Edison tried/failed hundreds of times to get the light bulb working (and burned through a lot of investor cash). Are you implying that had he ultimately failed, he'd have been guilty of fraud?
Now, fuck off back to your basement.