You are full of dogshit, Mr Coward. I'm running NetBSD 8.0 right now posting this and loving it. Just because you are a systemd-lover looking to pan the superior competition because you can barely install Ubuntu doesn't mean you need to go hostile-retard on your betters. All of the BSD's are like brothers, fighting sometimes, but mostly cooperating in beautiful ways and producing excellent results. For example, the NetBSD rc-system is shared between it and FreeBSD and many wireless drivers that originate in OpenBSD find their way quickly to NetBSD and FreeBSD. In my extensive decades-long experience (something you don't have, obviously) BSD has been nothing short of kick ass and a joy to work with. That's why so many Unix variants started with BSD code. Their gift to the world can hardly be underestimated. The BSD socket interface is the iron-clad standard in huge swaths of IT because it rocks, was truly free, and it wasn't OSI-style committee bullshit. Haters like you have to post shit like this as AC's because you really know how fucked up and wrong you are in the first place.
I didn't really come down one way or another on if the case was a good use of FBI resources. Despite your anger and insults you have some valid points. What I'm saying is more that just because something is a federal crime, doesn't mean that the FBI will automatically get involved. I did find the manner of the FBI investigator to be a bit lofty and he treated the locals pretty badly, too. It was clear they didn't like him. Of course, all that was just one incident and as we both say with more or less vitriol, it was an anecdote. Does the FBI have better things to do? Probably so, as you angrily attest. However, do people who commit real federal crimes that hurt real people always get the book thrown at them by the feds? No way. That's my main point.
Well, I wouldn't consider myself any type of partisan since I don't hold views that are compatible with any party. I have right, left, and centrist political opinions. However, those that want to label me as such are free to do so. I do believe in freedom.
Yep. They also assume that only the farthest far-right folks could possibly operate a firearm. They don't realize that there are some rather civilized sporting activity which involves firearms and that sometimes a non-far-right-person with a gun. I'm not a far-right guy (centrist/pragmatist here), but as a 20-something it was hard to stop biathlon in college and I still love shooting. I'm not saying I'm some kind of trained sniper/soldier (and I don't like/want to hurt people). Those are different skills. Soldiers know how to work together to kill other soldiers and I definitely don't. However, nether do most vocal jerkhole "I'm gonna git you when the SHTF, you lefty!" types either. The soldiers I've met are more polite and professional (albeit, usually right-of-center politically) than that and wouldn't be threatening to shoot me "center chest" (do you think he meant "center mass" ?)
Well, I my original post was a bit tongue and cheek. However, I had one experience that validates your main assertion. I did a contract job about 15 years ago for a company that had a severe internal IT vandalism incident (a "hack" as journalist would say). This guy was really, really, wanting prison. He used the corporate VPN and didn't make tremendous efforts to hide his tracks (they made him really made, I heard). The company apparently used an Excel spreadsheet to keep their passwords in. They were like "but we encrypted it!" (referring to some kind of M$ password lock on the file *shrug* I don't know Excel) which made me giggle inside. Anyhow, Joe Hacker was a sysadmin and from what I can tell a real firecracker of a person mixed with the fact this this company was run by some puffed up business weasel jerks who made for an explosive mix. The guy destroyed their print servers, destroyed a few file servers (mainly ones with "fun" files on them like MP3s), destroyed their fax servers, and erased their sales databases and leads. Then he moved on to worse things. He backdoored their software repos for devs with all kinds of nasty code and then erased version logs to cover his tracks so they didn't know who wrote what code. He put tons of malware and viruses on their file servers he didn't destroy and named it innocent things like "customer_data.xls.exe" which some fell for. He poison-pilled their Netbackup infrastructure and manually swapped row data in the Sysbase database it uses to mix up media IDs so they basically lost their backups. He put at least 20 backdoors in routers, servers, workstations and test machines (stuff like Sub7 and then ACLs in the router that allowed traffic from everywhere to their crown jewels and even NAT'd some to obscure the source addresses). He land-mined their WSUS and Jumpstart servers with malicious post-install scripts. He physically stole/swapped some of their Decru keycards for their PKI infrastructure so they lost most of their security logs and encrypted tapes. Then as he was getting fired, he put some scripts or some kind of final trigger in place that brought down their Sonnet networking gear for about 30 hours. Took like three Cisco CCIEs to fix that working continuously. Man, I'm just scratching the surface, too. This guy just unleashed hell on this company AND he did a great deal of it across state lines. We recovered some VPN logs that were pretty much smoking gun correlation to other security event data. It took me about two months to unravel the stuff he did. If he wasn't so malicious, I'd actually have some respect for his criminal ass because of how devilish some of the shit he did was (ie.. setting Solaris inittdefault to 6) "Why do these boxes keep rebooting!?". So, we gathered ALL this evidence along with some local law enforcement. The company tried to get the FBI involved and so did the local detectives. The Feds sent out one bunghole non-IT guy who basically shrugged it all off and walked away. Then, after that point, they were pretty much disconnected and checked out + not interested in it. So, I gotta wonder how much firepower they really have and when they'd bring it to bear. It's a one-off anecdote and thus probably doesn't mean shit. However, it does make me wonder. The guy did go down for some shit and did a small amount of time, but he was lucky as hell a jury never saw the evidence I gathered.
You didn't see ADA and OSI TP4 take off? Dude, where have you been? We totally all use DECNet PhaseV, now. I'm joking, of course (you have to say this on/.). You should check out this old page old ADA discussion. It's right in the same vein and fleshes out the reasons why committees almost always design pretty crappy technology even after better alternatives dominate. Remember the retards in the late 1990s who wanted to make OSI network stacks replace IPv4? They were such passionate handwaving assholes who just couldn't understand why the world didn't want to be told how to do technology by some group of passionate handwaving assholes. The more things change, the more they just fucking don't.
Typical. Jealous of those that are better off then you.
No, not jealous and not of the better off. Angry and at those who rigged the system *against* capitalism so they & theirs could win before I ever got into the game.
You going to kill someone at your job that has a higher pay grade also? How about someone that has a nicer house, a nicer car.
No, of course not. Most of them aren't actually "rich" they are just better off than me. I'm talking about truly rich folks that participated in the rigging, not someone with a nicer car. I'm talking about the C-suite, not the guy who worked for 30 years so he could afford a Mercedes.
Remember this asshole. The rich are those that employ. Who the fuck do you employ? Nobody. You are a leach.
Nothing wrong with employers. There is something wrong with feudal inducement and rigging the game. What do you say when it's no longer capitalism but corporate feudalism? I'm all for small and medium business when it plays by the rules, but are you seriously going to sit here and defend shit like corporate personhood? If the C-suite got their fucking heads chopped off, do you think it'd really ruin things? I don't and history is on my side.
I look forward to a civil war. I will be on the side that helps kill those that live off the goverment. I look forward to seeing you with a bullet hole center chest.
Well, good luck sir. I think you have misjudged me. I'm not the leftist you were looking for. I'm a centrist with a fairly small gun collection, but an expert aim and a lot of ammo. 8 years of biathlon. I'm guessing you are the type who holds his gun sideways and says "blam!" and "pow" when firing. So, we'll see who's chest explodes first on a clear day at a 1000 meters.
Or alternatively, this is the first step down the road to having a process which enables decisions to be made about what new features to be bought into python, following the departure of the original language developer from that role.
Well, it's at least possible, but it's also highly suspect given the current context/atmosphere. Still, after reading the actual proposed rules, most are just technical & legalistic. It at least does not come off as a blatant attempt at a CoC-inject.
It's also possible that SJW have managed to introduce their poison, by suggesting that a world where we are nice to each other is more pleasurable to live in than a world where we are not. It's a revolutionary idea and I understand why it has caused such a strong reaction.
So, is that to say that everyone who had a strong reaction isn't wanting a world where people are nice to each other? Is it nice to be a censor? Is it cool/fun to have your software rejected because someone's religious or cultural believes run over your project? That's the potential and it's hard to say "it wouldn't happen" the day that Debian pulled a weather-related software package out of their repo called "Weboobs".
The hotel and meat packing industry notoriously use extremely high rates of illegal labor. They could also pick veggies which is still done nearly exclusively by a mix of legal and illegal labor (but nearly all non-American). Those are the jobs "nobody will take" because they pay way below minimum wage. I visited a Iowa Beef Packers plant one time in Pampa, Texas. Even the supervisors didn't speak English. That's not an exaggeration, either. The place was also like some kind of Mad Max prison complex where as soon as you came in people would start hooting like chimpanzees and running their knives over things to make sparks. I wish I was joking. I was just there fixing some old Unix boxes that ran the scale calibration tools. Now, that was a long time ago, but I really really doubt it's changed. I'd say it's probably worse, but when you are already at nearly 100% illegals. *shrug*. That's why I think building a wall is a waste of time (I mean you could still just walk/fly/drive in with a passport and overstay). Only e-verify has a chance of helping with the problem.
True, but there was a lot of chaos an uncertainty if you wanted to stay an employed textile worker, carriage maker, carriage driver, etc.. I'm speaking about the middle and late Victorian Era during the Industrial Revolution. The Luddites might be considered backwards today, but they were real people who got displaced and had to face real consequences and in some cases they were severe for them or others (ie.. when they'd riot or tear shit up). I don't know if that has any bearing on if it's inevitable or not, but that isn't my point. I have to wonder if the ends always justify the means. I agree with you in general, but I don't know if I agree with what I perceive as the underlying logic: just because "we survived" didn't mean it didn't suck donkey balls. Ask the Donner Party, for example. Still, I'm also not saying anything should have been done radically differently. I mean, trying to hold back automobiles.... pretty dumb. I guess all I'm saying is that I have a sympathy for the Luddites and I'm starting to wonder if "automation everywhere" is going to lead to a utopia or a Chinese hell.
No. There is a third option. Revolution. Don't tax and redistribute from the rich. Hang them from lamp posts and chop off their heads with guillotines. Wages rose almost across the board after the French Revolution. Other similar historical events argue for "kill them or make them believe you will" as the best option. I guess the rich folks were able to un-ass some additional funds, after all. Funny how they were able to rummage through the couch cushions after they'd just watch the last rich dude get his neck stretched by the locals after his foreign guards in his gated community fled the scene.
It's nice that there are enough implementations and variations of/on C that the SJWs can't easily subvert one guy or a small group and introduce their poison. I feel bad for these projects that get taken over and ruined like Debian. I wonder if this isn't the first step down the same road.
No no, that was the old motto. The new one is "If you think the problem is bad, wait till you see our solution!". As far as the PC-Police, I'm not sure of this "Debian" thing the speak of. I mean, there used to be a "Debian" that was a Linux distro and it used to be pretty sweet. However, then systemd came, and it's hard to hear the talk about this Debian-thing while I'm busy with my work on FreeBSD.
Being a computer nerd, it's hard for me to hate Ebay, though many do. Plus, I don't hear stories about them working people to pain and ruin. HOA.... just the acronym inspires horror and rage. However, I guess that's how shopping malls have done things for a long time. I'm not a seller on Amazon or might feel like I had no other choice like many say they do. However, they were after me due to some work I did for another company a decade ago that they acquired.
I typically don't roll out the professional attitude for people I hate. I took it as an opportunity to express my vitriol toward them, not to prove what a great sycophant suit-weasel I'd make if they hired me.
I've literally told them, and I quote: "I really need you guys to fuck off. I hate your company and I'd never do business with you, much less work for you. Leave me ALONE." That's from my third-to-last email to their HR people. If I ran a company and you told my HR people to "fuck off" I'd blacklist your ass and you can be damn sure we'd never call you again. So for all their high tech logistics and AI spy hardware, they can't seem to figure out what "fuck off" really means. Facebook has the same problem. Learn it, live it, love it you corporate feudal dickheads.
Well, I know VMware guests which are going to use "Vmotion" will need to migrate between machines with similar CPUs often will "dumb down" the instruction set to whatever they have in common. Are you saying that process or something like it is mitigating things like Spectre? I haven't heard that before, but I suppose it's possible. Since VMware virtualization is a layer between the OS and the CPU, I suppose it's possible to use that to your advantage.
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You are full of dogshit, Mr Coward. I'm running NetBSD 8.0 right now posting this and loving it. Just because you are a systemd-lover looking to pan the superior competition because you can barely install Ubuntu doesn't mean you need to go hostile-retard on your betters. All of the BSD's are like brothers, fighting sometimes, but mostly cooperating in beautiful ways and producing excellent results. For example, the NetBSD rc-system is shared between it and FreeBSD and many wireless drivers that originate in OpenBSD find their way quickly to NetBSD and FreeBSD. In my extensive decades-long experience (something you don't have, obviously) BSD has been nothing short of kick ass and a joy to work with. That's why so many Unix variants started with BSD code. Their gift to the world can hardly be underestimated. The BSD socket interface is the iron-clad standard in huge swaths of IT because it rocks, was truly free, and it wasn't OSI-style committee bullshit. Haters like you have to post shit like this as AC's because you really know how fucked up and wrong you are in the first place.
I'm an American who has lived in Europe and Asia for several years and speaks four languages. I agree with him 100%.
I didn't really come down one way or another on if the case was a good use of FBI resources. Despite your anger and insults you have some valid points. What I'm saying is more that just because something is a federal crime, doesn't mean that the FBI will automatically get involved. I did find the manner of the FBI investigator to be a bit lofty and he treated the locals pretty badly, too. It was clear they didn't like him. Of course, all that was just one incident and as we both say with more or less vitriol, it was an anecdote. Does the FBI have better things to do? Probably so, as you angrily attest. However, do people who commit real federal crimes that hurt real people always get the book thrown at them by the feds? No way. That's my main point.
I'd like to thank the ACs for a perfect illustration of "dipshit partisans".
Well, I wouldn't consider myself any type of partisan since I don't hold views that are compatible with any party. I have right, left, and centrist political opinions. However, those that want to label me as such are free to do so. I do believe in freedom.
Yep. They also assume that only the farthest far-right folks could possibly operate a firearm. They don't realize that there are some rather civilized sporting activity which involves firearms and that sometimes a non-far-right-person with a gun. I'm not a far-right guy (centrist/pragmatist here), but as a 20-something it was hard to stop biathlon in college and I still love shooting. I'm not saying I'm some kind of trained sniper/soldier (and I don't like/want to hurt people). Those are different skills. Soldiers know how to work together to kill other soldiers and I definitely don't. However, nether do most vocal jerkhole "I'm gonna git you when the SHTF, you lefty!" types either. The soldiers I've met are more polite and professional (albeit, usually right-of-center politically) than that and wouldn't be threatening to shoot me "center chest" (do you think he meant "center mass" ?)
Well, I my original post was a bit tongue and cheek. However, I had one experience that validates your main assertion. I did a contract job about 15 years ago for a company that had a severe internal IT vandalism incident (a "hack" as journalist would say). This guy was really, really, wanting prison. He used the corporate VPN and didn't make tremendous efforts to hide his tracks (they made him really made, I heard). The company apparently used an Excel spreadsheet to keep their passwords in. They were like "but we encrypted it!" (referring to some kind of M$ password lock on the file *shrug* I don't know Excel) which made me giggle inside. Anyhow, Joe Hacker was a sysadmin and from what I can tell a real firecracker of a person mixed with the fact this this company was run by some puffed up business weasel jerks who made for an explosive mix. The guy destroyed their print servers, destroyed a few file servers (mainly ones with "fun" files on them like MP3s), destroyed their fax servers, and erased their sales databases and leads. Then he moved on to worse things. He backdoored their software repos for devs with all kinds of nasty code and then erased version logs to cover his tracks so they didn't know who wrote what code. He put tons of malware and viruses on their file servers he didn't destroy and named it innocent things like "customer_data.xls.exe" which some fell for. He poison-pilled their Netbackup infrastructure and manually swapped row data in the Sysbase database it uses to mix up media IDs so they basically lost their backups. He put at least 20 backdoors in routers, servers, workstations and test machines (stuff like Sub7 and then ACLs in the router that allowed traffic from everywhere to their crown jewels and even NAT'd some to obscure the source addresses). He land-mined their WSUS and Jumpstart servers with malicious post-install scripts. He physically stole/swapped some of their Decru keycards for their PKI infrastructure so they lost most of their security logs and encrypted tapes. Then as he was getting fired, he put some scripts or some kind of final trigger in place that brought down their Sonnet networking gear for about 30 hours. Took like three Cisco CCIEs to fix that working continuously. Man, I'm just scratching the surface, too. This guy just unleashed hell on this company AND he did a great deal of it across state lines. We recovered some VPN logs that were pretty much smoking gun correlation to other security event data. It took me about two months to unravel the stuff he did. If he wasn't so malicious, I'd actually have some respect for his criminal ass because of how devilish some of the shit he did was (ie.. setting Solaris inittdefault to 6) "Why do these boxes keep rebooting!?". So, we gathered ALL this evidence along with some local law enforcement. The company tried to get the FBI involved and so did the local detectives. The Feds sent out one bunghole non-IT guy who basically shrugged it all off and walked away. Then, after that point, they were pretty much disconnected and checked out + not interested in it. So, I gotta wonder how much firepower they really have and when they'd bring it to bear. It's a one-off anecdote and thus probably doesn't mean shit. However, it does make me wonder. The guy did go down for some shit and did a small amount of time, but he was lucky as hell a jury never saw the evidence I gathered.
Well written excellent points. Bravo.
Jesus thank you FBI for giving us ONE FUCKING STORY that didn't bring in some more dipshit partisans.
They are learning at the PHP school of technology while taking a second major in Social Justice from UC Santa Barbara.
You didn't see ADA and OSI TP4 take off? Dude, where have you been? We totally all use DECNet PhaseV, now. I'm joking, of course (you have to say this on /.). You should check out this old page old ADA discussion. It's right in the same vein and fleshes out the reasons why committees almost always design pretty crappy technology even after better alternatives dominate. Remember the retards in the late 1990s who wanted to make OSI network stacks replace IPv4? They were such passionate handwaving assholes who just couldn't understand why the world didn't want to be told how to do technology by some group of passionate handwaving assholes. The more things change, the more they just fucking don't.
LOL! Hehe. Okay. Here's hopin!
Typical. Jealous of those that are better off then you.
No, not jealous and not of the better off. Angry and at those who rigged the system *against* capitalism so they & theirs could win before I ever got into the game.
You going to kill someone at your job that has a higher pay grade also? How about someone that has a nicer house, a nicer car.
No, of course not. Most of them aren't actually "rich" they are just better off than me. I'm talking about truly rich folks that participated in the rigging, not someone with a nicer car. I'm talking about the C-suite, not the guy who worked for 30 years so he could afford a Mercedes.
Remember this asshole. The rich are those that employ. Who the fuck do you employ? Nobody. You are a leach.
Nothing wrong with employers. There is something wrong with feudal inducement and rigging the game. What do you say when it's no longer capitalism but corporate feudalism? I'm all for small and medium business when it plays by the rules, but are you seriously going to sit here and defend shit like corporate personhood? If the C-suite got their fucking heads chopped off, do you think it'd really ruin things? I don't and history is on my side.
I look forward to a civil war. I will be on the side that helps kill those that live off the goverment. I look forward to seeing you with a bullet hole center chest.
Well, good luck sir. I think you have misjudged me. I'm not the leftist you were looking for. I'm a centrist with a fairly small gun collection, but an expert aim and a lot of ammo. 8 years of biathlon. I'm guessing you are the type who holds his gun sideways and says "blam!" and "pow" when firing. So, we'll see who's chest explodes first on a clear day at a 1000 meters.
Or alternatively, this is the first step down the road to having a process which enables decisions to be made about what new features to be bought into python, following the departure of the original language developer from that role.
Well, it's at least possible, but it's also highly suspect given the current context/atmosphere. Still, after reading the actual proposed rules, most are just technical & legalistic. It at least does not come off as a blatant attempt at a CoC-inject.
It's also possible that SJW have managed to introduce their poison, by suggesting that a world where we are nice to each other is more pleasurable to live in than a world where we are not. It's a revolutionary idea and I understand why it has caused such a strong reaction.
So, is that to say that everyone who had a strong reaction isn't wanting a world where people are nice to each other? Is it nice to be a censor? Is it cool/fun to have your software rejected because someone's religious or cultural believes run over your project? That's the potential and it's hard to say "it wouldn't happen" the day that Debian pulled a weather-related software package out of their repo called "Weboobs".
The hotel and meat packing industry notoriously use extremely high rates of illegal labor. They could also pick veggies which is still done nearly exclusively by a mix of legal and illegal labor (but nearly all non-American). Those are the jobs "nobody will take" because they pay way below minimum wage. I visited a Iowa Beef Packers plant one time in Pampa, Texas. Even the supervisors didn't speak English. That's not an exaggeration, either. The place was also like some kind of Mad Max prison complex where as soon as you came in people would start hooting like chimpanzees and running their knives over things to make sparks. I wish I was joking. I was just there fixing some old Unix boxes that ran the scale calibration tools. Now, that was a long time ago, but I really really doubt it's changed. I'd say it's probably worse, but when you are already at nearly 100% illegals. *shrug*. That's why I think building a wall is a waste of time (I mean you could still just walk/fly/drive in with a passport and overstay). Only e-verify has a chance of helping with the problem.
True, but there was a lot of chaos an uncertainty if you wanted to stay an employed textile worker, carriage maker, carriage driver, etc.. I'm speaking about the middle and late Victorian Era during the Industrial Revolution. The Luddites might be considered backwards today, but they were real people who got displaced and had to face real consequences and in some cases they were severe for them or others (ie.. when they'd riot or tear shit up). I don't know if that has any bearing on if it's inevitable or not, but that isn't my point. I have to wonder if the ends always justify the means. I agree with you in general, but I don't know if I agree with what I perceive as the underlying logic: just because "we survived" didn't mean it didn't suck donkey balls. Ask the Donner Party, for example. Still, I'm also not saying anything should have been done radically differently. I mean, trying to hold back automobiles.... pretty dumb. I guess all I'm saying is that I have a sympathy for the Luddites and I'm starting to wonder if "automation everywhere" is going to lead to a utopia or a Chinese hell.
No. There is a third option. Revolution. Don't tax and redistribute from the rich. Hang them from lamp posts and chop off their heads with guillotines. Wages rose almost across the board after the French Revolution. Other similar historical events argue for "kill them or make them believe you will" as the best option. I guess the rich folks were able to un-ass some additional funds, after all. Funny how they were able to rummage through the couch cushions after they'd just watch the last rich dude get his neck stretched by the locals after his foreign guards in his gated community fled the scene.
It's nice that there are enough implementations and variations of/on C that the SJWs can't easily subvert one guy or a small group and introduce their poison. I feel bad for these projects that get taken over and ruined like Debian. I wonder if this isn't the first step down the same road.
No no, that was the old motto. The new one is "If you think the problem is bad, wait till you see our solution!". As far as the PC-Police, I'm not sure of this "Debian" thing the speak of. I mean, there used to be a "Debian" that was a Linux distro and it used to be pretty sweet. However, then systemd came, and it's hard to hear the talk about this Debian-thing while I'm busy with my work on FreeBSD.
Being a computer nerd, it's hard for me to hate Ebay, though many do. Plus, I don't hear stories about them working people to pain and ruin. HOA.... just the acronym inspires horror and rage. However, I guess that's how shopping malls have done things for a long time. I'm not a seller on Amazon or might feel like I had no other choice like many say they do. However, they were after me due to some work I did for another company a decade ago that they acquired.
Let me count the ways ?
I typically don't roll out the professional attitude for people I hate. I took it as an opportunity to express my vitriol toward them, not to prove what a great sycophant suit-weasel I'd make if they hired me.
Says the Anonymous Coward. *YAWN*
I've literally told them, and I quote: "I really need you guys to fuck off. I hate your company and I'd never do business with you, much less work for you. Leave me ALONE." That's from my third-to-last email to their HR people. If I ran a company and you told my HR people to "fuck off" I'd blacklist your ass and you can be damn sure we'd never call you again. So for all their high tech logistics and AI spy hardware, they can't seem to figure out what "fuck off" really means. Facebook has the same problem. Learn it, live it, love it you corporate feudal dickheads.
Well, I know VMware guests which are going to use "Vmotion" will need to migrate between machines with similar CPUs often will "dumb down" the instruction set to whatever they have in common. Are you saying that process or something like it is mitigating things like Spectre? I haven't heard that before, but I suppose it's possible. Since VMware virtualization is a layer between the OS and the CPU, I suppose it's possible to use that to your advantage.