How I wish MS would understand this... on both sides of the fence. Sure, I'm bending this particular subthread into scrap metal, but I may be more receptive to IE if most of its idiocy was shoved in my face by default. Also, MS prolly isn't the only entity guilty of forcing you to accept their stuff or nothing. Web developers sometimes do this with their flash-only sites that check to see if you're running MSIE ON WINDOWS, and kvetch or provide a blank page if you're not "hip."
(actually, I do have a choice, what with 98lite to completely and cleanly uninstall IE from win98...)
The mark of an experienced "professional" is that s/he uses the right tool for the job.
As defined by who? By that same professional, perhaps. And when I'm stuck in win* that i'm in control of, I say that Opera is the best tool for the browsing job. No, you really don't need all the... CRAP... to work in a website when all you're after is their content... and none of this kvetching about flash-only "content" that's simply offloading site X's audience to someone whose content can be viewed.
(zealotry notwithstanding, I have many real reasons to just avoid windows and much of the associated crud... there are good programs (ACDSee32, Opera, PuTTY, hyperterm, etc...) for it, so it can be made usable if I really try. But I have to work my ass off at it.)
It's really very simple: Microsoft isn't forcing you to do anything
I don't buy it for a moment. When the site you *have* to go to to get basic information won't display without IE under windows, MS is forcing me to use their platform. As an end-user, they are forcing me to do something that, frankly, I have a fundamental problem with.
As a developer of web content, MS can bite my fur-bearing ass. I'll keep on churning out basic HTML driven by PHP, and it'll view under any browser for any platform.
I wish everyone would stop whining like Microsoft was making them download IE at gunpoint.
As soon as the option to totally ignore IE is real, I'll side with this. Until that day, you're going to hear (quite legitimate) complaining. Until the day when MS stops bullying web developers around, as an end-user, I'll have to either hope the developer knew what they were doing (and the page will display in O or netscape), or I'll have to chomp on the shitbger that is MSIE (and the page will display in all its annoying glory).
as long as everyone else was paying the same, for the benefit of the environment.
Then you definitely would not want to pay $5.00 for a gallon of gas.
As others have stated, the extra cost would not go to benefiting the environment, thus I am correct in stating the obvious. Oh, and also, I'd hate it very much if gas went up for no reason. Now, if all that extra money were used to build DECENT PUBLIC TRANSIT in here, I may bitch a little less, because I'd also use the public transit. Don't assume everyone's fat and lazy who has to drive their car to work, now.
Things you need to know about Kansas City Metro:
- public transportation isn't - housing near the business corridor in Office Park isn't cheap or available in most cases - just try getting transferred to another position in the same company where you're all the sudden required to work downtown (when you live in the south), or work farther south or west (increasing your walk time by about 15 miles)...
My point is, I'd use my own energy reserves to get to work if it were feasible, but let's be realistic.
It'll take getting rid of directories called/etc,/usr/bin,/var...
... which means that the CLI will be broken, and I won't (be able to) use it. *shrug*
Things like this have no room for negotiation in a UI. They're parts of Unix that'll never be rid of. When I compute in just about any Unix, I use Unix, not $WINDOW_MANAGER... I'd get nowhere without fiendish programs like/bin/sh (be it bash or POSIX) and/bin/ksh, whereas the only thing from $WINDOW_MANAGER I may use, and it's not even a part of it, is {x,a,w,E,dt}term
I don't mind a UI trying to mask these things away, but depriving any of what CLI folks expect in the process is the Wrong Thing. lose lose
(all of this has been my diatribe... uh, I mean, my opinion)
Ranting on the web is hardly the only way of dealing with stress.
Well, this "turn the other cheek" bullshit is hardly acceptable, either. I say let everyone know you're angry. This CAN be accomplished without namecalling or personal attacks. Too bad for those who don't ever want to hear anything nasty that this can't always be done without swearing or mean words.
Tough shit.
(Glad I'm surrendering the privelege to moderate this whole mess...)
Which, as we all know, is not only impossible from an individual perspective, but it's effectively pure fantasy! You want change, you have to BUY it. THAT is how the government works.
That said, I think mp3 is a great way to get the music heard (record label or no) - I've bought *more* stuff as a result of hearing the mp3 version first.
So what's your suggestion, then? You sound like you want DoorstopOS, the OS that makes your computer become a doorstop! (it has been argued that such an OS is already shipping, but I leave that discussion to the philosophers.)
Seriously, tho, most of those things you mentioned above as questionable are mandatory for me... because if I can't use the keyboard to do it (ie, enter text, commands), it isn't useful for ME.
(ObAtheOS: I shouted "AMIGA!" as soon as the screenshot was displayed... even down to the command window.)
I guess the fact that Microsoft just demonstrated IE on OS X with Apple doesn't mean anything?
Yes, it means something... chiefly that MS is selectively supporting whichever Unix variants they want. It means that they could port the whole (imho stinking) glob of goop to, say, FreeBSD, and it would work just as "well."
You seem to be forgetting that MSIE is simply not available for the OS I run (Linux, *BSD... tho it is available for SunOS5 and HP-UX), so no damn wonder I don't use it.
Also, your opinion that IE is superb to anything is OK... as long as you respect my opinion that Opera completely tromps the heavy browsers on win32... deal? OK, then!
As for being deluded. . . I won't go there, because you prolly don't give a care.
But this was a DOS attack. How is each of several "secure" services going to survive or eliminate a flood of requests? Not that securing everything straight away is a Bad Thing, now...
I still USE an unenhanced Apple ][e simply because it's still the most hackable machine in existence. I haven't learned C enough to truly play in the Unix world (am getting there with Perl, tho)
As far as I know, the one big thing wrong with Linux in this capacity is the lack of a stateful firewall (ie, ipfilter for freebie). That, and *BSD just happened to be the stuff this admin could work with most effectively.
(I look forward to somehting similar to ipf being included in Linux distributions someday. Also, it's been ages since I've checked; ipf may already be supported under the current kernel.)
Bill knows this -- that's why he competes so hard.
That last statement should read, "Bill knows this -- that's why he extends and embraces, buys out the competition, deploys astroturfing, abuses marketing and PR..."
MS doesn't compete. MS brainwashes those with money.
Also, I maintain that breaking up MS is the only remedy. No amount of "monitoring" or something like that is going to make them change. If the execs were to get lots of jail time for their business decisions, I'd agree that a non-breakup solution would have merit. Until that decade, I say bust them up into 27 pieces.
(all of the above is simple opinion. With the way the press spins dookie into gold nuggets, it's hard to decide what is fact and what is not.)
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I bought my PSX a couple weeks ago just for Galaga off the same CD. Of course, I got somewhat hooked on Bosconian, too.
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Cool! I've accomplished something on slashdot!
(actually, I have my own positions and opinions on just about everyhting here. I don't try to be in with the "in crowd.")
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Whaddaya get? Anti-matter. The universe would implode.
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was NOT... shoved... and I even previewed it. I quit. :oP
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How I wish MS would understand this... on both sides of the fence. Sure, I'm bending this particular subthread into scrap metal, but I may be more receptive to IE if most of its idiocy was shoved in my face by default. Also, MS prolly isn't the only entity guilty of forcing you to accept their stuff or nothing. Web developers sometimes do this with their flash-only sites that check to see if you're running MSIE ON WINDOWS, and kvetch or provide a blank page if you're not "hip."
(actually, I do have a choice, what with 98lite to completely and cleanly uninstall IE from win98...)
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As defined by who? By that same professional, perhaps. And when I'm stuck in win* that i'm in control of, I say that Opera is the best tool for the browsing job. No, you really don't need all the... CRAP... to work in a website when all you're after is their content... and none of this kvetching about flash-only "content" that's simply offloading site X's audience to someone whose content can be viewed.
(zealotry notwithstanding, I have many real reasons to just avoid windows and much of the associated crud... there are good programs (ACDSee32, Opera, PuTTY, hyperterm, etc...) for it, so it can be made usable if I really try. But I have to work my ass off at it.)
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Me? I personally wouldn't use IE in any event. I'll wait patiently for Mozilla and Opera.
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They require NDAs to successfully implement? Perhaps it's that ActiveX is just stupid, and Mozilla wants none of the turdage associated with it?
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I don't buy it for a moment. When the site you *have* to go to to get basic information won't display without IE under windows, MS is forcing me to use their platform. As an end-user, they are forcing me to do something that, frankly, I have a fundamental problem with.
As a developer of web content, MS can bite my fur-bearing ass. I'll keep on churning out basic HTML driven by PHP, and it'll view under any browser for any platform.
I wish everyone would stop whining like Microsoft was making them download IE at gunpoint.
As soon as the option to totally ignore IE is real, I'll side with this. Until that day, you're going to hear (quite legitimate) complaining. Until the day when MS stops bullying web developers around, as an end-user, I'll have to either hope the developer knew what they were doing (and the page will display in O or netscape), or I'll have to chomp on the shitbger that is MSIE (and the page will display in all its annoying glory).
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And are their names "blossom," "bubbles," and "butttercup?" :o)
(I actually named a nasty HP C180 "mojojojo")
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Then you definitely would not want to pay $5.00 for a gallon of gas.
As others have stated, the extra cost would not go to benefiting the environment, thus I am correct in stating the obvious. Oh, and also, I'd hate it very much if gas went up for no reason. Now, if all that extra money were used to build DECENT PUBLIC TRANSIT in here, I may bitch a little less, because I'd also use the public transit. Don't assume everyone's fat and lazy who has to drive their car to work, now.
Things you need to know about Kansas City Metro:
- public transportation isn't
- housing near the business corridor in Office Park isn't cheap or available in most cases
- just try getting transferred to another position in the same company where you're all the sudden required to work downtown (when you live in the south), or work farther south or west (increasing your walk time by about 15 miles)...
My point is, I'd use my own energy reserves to get to work if it were feasible, but let's be realistic.
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"Cannon plugs"
(at least that's what they were referred to when i was in USAF)
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This version, of course, supports TOC like it always has.
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Things like this have no room for negotiation in a UI. They're parts of Unix that'll never be rid of. When I compute in just about any Unix, I use Unix, not $WINDOW_MANAGER ... I'd get nowhere without fiendish programs like /bin/sh (be it bash or POSIX) and /bin/ksh, whereas the only thing from $WINDOW_MANAGER I may use, and it's not even a part of it, is {x,a,w,E,dt}term
I don't mind a UI trying to mask these things away, but depriving any of what CLI folks expect in the process is the Wrong Thing. lose lose
(all of this has been my diatribe... uh, I mean, my opinion)
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Well, this "turn the other cheek" bullshit is hardly acceptable, either. I say let everyone know you're angry. This CAN be accomplished without namecalling or personal attacks. Too bad for those who don't ever want to hear anything nasty that this can't always be done without swearing or mean words.
Tough shit.
(Glad I'm surrendering the privelege to moderate this whole mess...)
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Which, as we all know, is not only impossible from an individual perspective, but it's effectively pure fantasy! You want change, you have to BUY it. THAT is how the government works.
That said, I think mp3 is a great way to get the music heard (record label or no) - I've bought *more* stuff as a result of hearing the mp3 version first.
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Seriously, tho, most of those things you mentioned above as questionable are mandatory for me... because if I can't use the keyboard to do it (ie, enter text, commands), it isn't useful for ME.
(ObAtheOS: I shouted "AMIGA!" as soon as the screenshot was displayed... even down to the command window.)
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Yes, it means something... chiefly that MS is selectively supporting whichever Unix variants they want. It means that they could port the whole (imho stinking) glob of goop to, say, FreeBSD, and it would work just as "well."
Well, it's their choice in the end...
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Also, your opinion that IE is superb to anything is OK... as long as you respect my opinion that Opera completely tromps the heavy browsers on win32... deal? OK, then!
As for being deluded. . . I won't go there, because you prolly don't give a care.
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But this was a DOS attack. How is each of several "secure" services going to survive or eliminate a flood of requests? Not that securing everything straight away is a Bad Thing, now...
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I still USE an unenhanced Apple ][e simply because it's still the most hackable machine in existence. I haven't learned C enough to truly play in the Unix world (am getting there with Perl, tho)
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As far as I know, the one big thing wrong with Linux in this capacity is the lack of a stateful firewall (ie, ipfilter for freebie). That, and *BSD just happened to be the stuff this admin could work with most effectively.
(I look forward to somehting similar to ipf being included in Linux distributions someday. Also, it's been ages since I've checked; ipf may already be supported under the current kernel.)
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There's also the CVS portion of Slash project containing the instructions without clicking further. The ultimate for the lazy bum :o)
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This isn't a CPU serial number. It's a "hostid," and remains the same regardless of a CPU swap. The hostid can also be changed, if you're in the know.
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That last statement should read, "Bill knows this -- that's why he extends and embraces, buys out the competition, deploys astroturfing, abuses marketing and PR..."
MS doesn't compete. MS brainwashes those with money.
Also, I maintain that breaking up MS is the only remedy. No amount of "monitoring" or something like that is going to make them change. If the execs were to get lots of jail time for their business decisions, I'd agree that a non-breakup solution would have merit. Until that decade, I say bust them up into 27 pieces.
(all of the above is simple opinion. With the way the press spins dookie into gold nuggets, it's hard to decide what is fact and what is not.)
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