"We believe that as quickly as they can make it untraceable we believe that you can find a way to fuck with it, and we have already heard about different ways of doing that. "
Talk about unclear of the concept, or history so far.. This is how it works Lars, you spend years developing some sceme to stop pirates, 24 hours after release some northern european teenager cracks it and that's that, we win again.. We always win because we outnumber you a million to one. And since when did morality ever stop anyone from doing anything they can do alone and by themselves?:)
> But I believe that if you have the energy and the resources to chase 'em -- and that's one thing we have is a lot of energy and a lot of resources
Funny Lars, that's just was I was thinking about all things digital. If you have the energy and resources to chase 'em, you never pay for anything..
If I read correctly, you're taking on Napster in order to highlight the moral issues involved.
Perhaps copyrights and intellectual property are the moral issues that need some work (ie. demolition). They're a fairly recent creation of homosapient's. They've made the west very rich but there are a few billion people in the third world who would really question how much they've helped their lives.
IP laws are on their way out, the majority human race want it that way and it will come to revolution if it must. We're talking medicine for babies and jobs(whole industrial bases) for countries here, but MP3s gotta get gone too.. Even if you totally won all lawsuits and Napster was able to invent technology to get Metallica off their servers, it wouldn't slow down the big game..
I don't believe you're in it for the money, so why cost yourself all this cred? Shutup, spend that IM2 money and enjoy the ride.
Setup an unoffensive portal site with loads and loads of banners, on an industrial strength server. Virus changes IE homepage and propagates, that's all.. Your average joe 'I'm on the Internet' person never changes their homepage and really doesn't care anyway as long as it's not full of porn. If you made the virus only kick in if it *didn't* find the newest DirectX would keep it from coming to the attention of 'serious' users for a long time.
You paid them to make it, so it's yours to with what you will..
We made it, so they can't use it again without paying again...
It's way worse in the digital realm. If an agency makes a web site, can you take the graphics and use them in a glossy? If you made a big backend for a customer site, can you use it for a different customer? Ick..
Tired of being the only one on your block who hasn't issued a rambling, meaningless legal threat to Napster? Can't afford high priced, low moral legal representation to craft elegant claims of damages and wrongdoing you have suffered at their cruel and perverted hand? Just click through this easy multiple choice form and your one hundred percent screwball legal threat will be generated and sent by Low Pass catfish to the acting CEO of Napster, Eileen Richardson. Don't delay, start now!
We placed fake mp3s on a few napsters. We used track names by big popular artists, but with song names that didn't exist.
The plan was really just to do it so we could say we did it. The response was insane. We got dozens of hateful emails from all kinds of exciting d00dz..
I have to admit, zeropaid is even more clever, but nothing tops our automatic napster legal threat generator. THREATSTER!
Tired of being the only one on your block who hasn't issued a rambling, meaningless legal threat to Napster? Can't afford high priced, low moral legal representation to craft elegant claims of damages and wrongdoing you have suffered at their cruel and perverted hand? Just click through this easy multiple choice form and your one hundred percent screwball legal threat will be generated and sent by Low Pass catfish to the acting CEO of Napster, Eileen Richardson. Don't delay, start now!
Keeping in line with their commitment to staying on the cutting edge of even the shadiest of trends and technologies; burgeoning e-Meat company Low Pass Industries today issued a chilling condemnation of Napster, the online service that allows users to download and trade music recorded in MP3 format.
In the fifty-eight page spirographed letter, Low Pass Industries demands that an MP3 stolen from their website Sunday morning by "evil yet strikingly handsome black leather trenchcoat clad hackers with uzis and possibly the Force as their allies," be immediately removed from Napster's "computer" or else "serious legal repercussions would ensue," and added that if they failed to comply, Low Pass Industries would, "kill them."
Low Pass Industries flatly denies all allegations that this is simply a hoax to gain a foothold in the rapidly expanding MP3 litigation industry. They also asserted that the claims Low Pass Industries planted the MP3s on Napster themselves as an underhanded advertising technique were both baseless and, "so crazy."
The MP3, entitled "The Marshall Mathers LP -- Gold Digger" began appearing on Napster on Tuesday, April 25, 2000, and was promptly downloaded by thousands of Napster's shifty-eyed criminal user base.
"Any resemblance between our advertisement and a song off of the highly anticipated new Eminem album are totally coincidental," said a Low Pass representative through a mouthful of Chow Mein at an adjoining press conference with an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet. "Being a thriving, dynamic company unafraid of challenges however, we are excited to have been given this opportunity to become world leaders in the exciting field of copyright litigation."
The threat also goes on to accuse Napster of stealing Low Pass Industries' idea to "completely screw Metallica," and suggests often and in capital letters that suing for damages may not be that far off into the future. It alleges with colourful illustrations that in the Fall of '99, several high-ranking employees of Napster had access to confidential Low Pass Industries memos with flamboyant titles such as: "SCREW LARS" and "METALLICA SUCKS" and that all subsequent attempts by Napster and their affiliates to rob Metallica and keep them homeless and poor and begging for change on the street forever were born out of these memos.
The letter also claimed that there were well over ten other artists which Low Pass Industries had first suggested screwing and as such are entitled to a cut of anything they are subsequently screwed out of.
"We hope to have this matter resolved soon and with the best results for both parties involved," said another Low Pass Industries representative, while drunk.
I think Richo made that, or something like it.. It gave you something like 622mb/s over a kilofoot (that's an offical telco term BTW).. As I recall, the major problem was it cost $100,000+ and you had to get all kinds of licences to use it because the beam would have a determental effect on anything it might hit (zap-pow)..
Checkout www.live365.com. Free shoutcast reboardcasting. Setup winamp and shoutcast on anything bigger then a P120 and you're all set..
When I wanted to broadcast my radio shows onto the net live, I got all over icecast but in the end it never did the job for me.. Live365 is a commerical endevor, but provides a good service IMO.. I'm sure it's possible to use a linux encodeer to stream to it, but I just couldn't be bothered in the end.
Right on brother. I'm only 24, but you've prefectly described my experience. I have nothing to complain about (money, talents, looks, travel) but sometimes life is seriously not worth living. The time I almost killed myself on vacation in Maui is a perfect example of the stupididity of it.
But still, when I'm not in the depths of an episode, it doesn't seem like the worst deal in the world. My 'condition' has its downsides, but it also allows me to perform feats of computing that make mear mortals shiver. Without it, I wouldn't have the money, I wouldn't be able to travel, I wouldn't have the obcession to make it to the gym every day, I wouldn't have the balls for hostel travel and I generally wouldn't lead the interesting life I do.
I believe this was the idea back when the EFF got started.. It's been said they 'came of age' over the whole PGP thing and went from grassroots to full on beltway lobby.. Personally, I don't agree with every little thing they do, but they're definitly doing a hell of alot more for the cause then I am and deserve respect.. I don't think splintering their support would help anyone right now.. On the other hand... It seems to me that beinging the EFF (or an EFF-like NGO focused on software issues) fully into the open source fold might not be a bad idea either.. Convince IPO rich corperations who have been treated very well by open software to provide funding.. On top of lobbying, a system providing probono legal aid for copyright issues would be nice. Basically an orgainsation with some money and savvy to step in when bad money lawyers start shaking down pennyless unsavvy programmers. Basically create a situation where if you want to file a lawsuit against an opensource programmer you'd better be sure your really in the right or you'll get thrashed in court by respectable NGO lawyers and trashed in the press by saintly NGO PR.. Greenpeace style, without the Zodiacs (as many of them anyway)..
> Jack Valenti > They're not at all. I don't follow you're logic there.
Me to Mister Jack Valent:
Then you and your whole parasitic distrubution industry are DEAD, and there is nothing you can do but stall and look stupid in the process.. Evolve or die your castles in the sky are coming down..
The Dominion Tavern on York street, next to Zaphod Beeblebrox (mainstream dance bar), that's where you want to be.. Only half decent punk rock dive bar in this town..
Actually, I wonder if there are enough linux punks to make it worth promoting a punkrawk show well the con is on.. Probably not..
I do the reverse, live in North America, go for roadtrips in western europe.. In my experence, access from the road is MUCH better in europe then here.
- Internet cafes are less common in north america as most people surf from home/work.. Don't expect to depend on them..
- I wouldn't bother trying for wireless access. It'll cost you a bundle and if you just want to upload picutes and keep up, you can wait till you get to a hotel room I assume..
A laptop with a roadwarrior kit would be my method of choice. Pick an ISP with lots of access numbers.. AOL is probably the easiest, but there are lots of other choices.. When you checkin, tell them you need to use a modem in your room.. Common request these days at any half decent hotel..
For picture quality, however, many computer screens are put to shame by the cheapest discount store portable TV.
What? Unless I'e been walking around in a trance, exactly the reverse is true.. Even a cheap monitor has a better quality picture then a fairly expensive TV.. Potention resolution, scan rate, dot pitch, all better on monitors then crappy NTSC TVs..<p>
Forgive me if I don't jump in the air and scream "At last! Non-belief in God is intellectually credible! I can stop this Christianity lark and go out into the evil, bad world as an atheist with my intellectual pride intact..." I figured that one out back when I was about 9.. God is like Satan Clause, without the pretty boxes..
Palm size with a display that looks at good as a real CRT.. Enough wireless bandwidth to stream video with lots of room to spare.. Batteries that last at least weeks.. CPU power and storage don't matter as long as I can use remote resources transparently through that fat wireless pipe.. Voice Recognition, touch screen and/or wireless keyboard... Priced around the same as a discman.. That's the kind of PDA that would change the way we live our lives..
Problems:
Display - That small that good doesn't exist yet
Batteries - Fuel cells might do the trick.
Bandwidth - I believe the wireless technology exists, its a question of infrastructure and regulation.
The Point (I guess): Transmedia is making some neat CPUs, but I don't need more CPU power, I need more of everything else.
Anyone developing someting like this? I'm available for beta testing..:)
Slashdot Mirror
"We believe that as quickly as they can make it untraceable we believe that you can find a way to fuck with it, and we have already heard about different ways of doing that. "
:)
Talk about unclear of the concept, or history so far.. This is how it works Lars, you spend years developing some sceme to stop pirates, 24 hours after release some northern european teenager cracks it and that's that, we win again.. We always win because we outnumber you a million to one. And since when did morality ever stop anyone from doing anything they can do alone and by themselves?
http://www.lowpass.net
> But I believe that if you have the energy and the resources to chase 'em -- and that's one thing we have is a lot of energy and a lot of
resources
Funny Lars, that's just was I was thinking about all things digital. If you have the energy and resources to chase 'em, you never pay for anything..
If I read correctly, you're taking on Napster in order to highlight the moral issues involved.
Perhaps copyrights and intellectual property are the moral issues that need some work (ie. demolition). They're a fairly recent creation of homosapient's. They've made the west very rich but there are a few billion people in the third world who would really question how much they've helped their lives.
IP laws are on their way out, the majority human race want it that way and it will come to revolution if it must. We're talking medicine for babies and jobs(whole industrial bases) for countries here, but MP3s gotta get gone too..
Even if you totally won all lawsuits and Napster was able to invent technology to get Metallica off their servers, it wouldn't slow down the big game..
I don't believe you're in it for the money, so why cost yourself all this cred? Shutup, spend that IM2 money and enjoy the ride.
www.lowpass.net
I remember reading on slashdot years ago that it had been decided the first person to get a pingable box on the moon gets the domain rights..
.mo I guess.
If you did that right, you'd make a fortune.
Setup an unoffensive portal site with loads and loads of banners, on an industrial strength server. Virus changes IE homepage and propagates, that's all.. Your average joe 'I'm on the Internet' person never changes their homepage and really doesn't care anyway as long as it's not full of porn. If you made the virus only kick in if it *didn't* find the newest DirectX would keep it from coming to the attention of 'serious' users for a long time.
Pretty neat book..
Dated in some ways, but still way neat.
Classic ad agency problem.
You paid them to make it, so it's yours to with what you will..
We made it, so they can't use it again without paying again...
It's way worse in the digital realm. If an agency makes a web site, can you take the graphics and use them in a glossy? If you made a big backend for a customer site, can you use it for a different customer? Ick..
Tired of being the only one on your block who hasn't issued a rambling, meaningless legal threat to Napster? Can't afford high priced, low moral legal representation to craft elegant claims of damages and wrongdoing you have suffered at their cruel and perverted hand? Just click through this easy multiple choice form and your one hundred percent screwball legal threat will be generated and sent by Low Pass catfish to the acting CEO of Napster, Eileen Richardson. Don't delay, start now!
Not us. We put in very nicly produced "The song you have attempted to steal is unavailable.." messages.
The plan was really just to do it so we could say we did it. The response was insane. We got dozens of hateful emails from all kinds of exciting d00dz..
I have to admit, zeropaid is even more clever, but nothing tops our automatic napster legal threat generator. THREATSTER!
Tired of being the only one on your block who hasn't issued a rambling, meaningless legal threat to Napster? Can't afford high priced, low moral legal representation to craft elegant claims of damages and wrongdoing you have suffered at their cruel and perverted hand? Just click through this easy multiple choice form and your one hundred percent screwball legal threat will be generated and sent by Low Pass catfish to the acting CEO of Napster, Eileen Richardson.
Don't delay, start now!
http://www.lowpass.net/index.php3/products/008
From http://www.lowpass.net
Keeping in line with their commitment to staying on the cutting edge of even the shadiest of trends and technologies; burgeoning e-Meat company Low Pass Industries today issued a chilling condemnation of Napster, the online service that allows users to download and trade music recorded in MP3 format.
In the fifty-eight page spirographed letter, Low Pass Industries demands that an MP3 stolen from their website Sunday morning by "evil yet strikingly handsome black leather trenchcoat clad hackers with uzis and possibly the Force as their allies," be immediately removed from Napster's "computer" or else "serious legal repercussions would ensue," and added that if they failed to comply, Low Pass Industries would, "kill them."
Low Pass Industries flatly denies all allegations that this is simply a hoax to gain a foothold in the rapidly expanding MP3 litigation industry. They also asserted that the claims Low Pass Industries planted the MP3s on Napster themselves as an underhanded advertising technique were both baseless and, "so crazy."
The MP3, entitled "The Marshall Mathers LP -- Gold Digger" began appearing on Napster on Tuesday, April 25, 2000, and was promptly downloaded by thousands of Napster's shifty-eyed criminal user base.
"Any resemblance between our advertisement and a song off of the highly anticipated new Eminem album are totally coincidental," said a Low Pass representative through a mouthful of Chow Mein at an adjoining press conference with an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet. "Being a thriving, dynamic company unafraid of challenges however, we are excited to have been given this opportunity to become world leaders in the exciting field of copyright litigation."
The threat also goes on to accuse Napster of stealing Low Pass Industries' idea to "completely screw Metallica," and suggests often and in capital letters that suing for damages may not be that far off into the future. It alleges with colourful illustrations that in the Fall of '99, several high-ranking employees of Napster had access to confidential Low Pass Industries memos with flamboyant titles such as: "SCREW LARS" and "METALLICA SUCKS" and that all subsequent attempts by Napster and their affiliates to rob Metallica and keep them homeless and poor and begging for change on the street forever were born out of these memos.
The letter also claimed that there were well over ten other artists which Low Pass Industries had first suggested screwing and as such are entitled to a cut of anything they are subsequently screwed out of.
"We hope to have this matter resolved soon and with the best results for both parties involved," said another Low Pass Industries representative, while drunk.
Low Pass To Napster: Die!
These guys have the right idea.
At least now dropouts in my streams will represent actual death.
...(zap)... and...(zap)..illed him.."
"Hello and welcome to Geeks in Space, tonight....(zap)...and we'll never do *that* again! Next,
I think Richo made that, or something like it.. It gave you something like 622mb/s over a kilofoot (that's an offical telco term BTW).. As I recall, the major problem was it cost $100,000+ and you had to get all kinds of licences to use it because the beam would have a determental effect on anything it might hit (zap-pow)..
Checkout www.live365.com. Free shoutcast reboardcasting. Setup winamp and shoutcast on anything bigger then a P120 and you're all set..
When I wanted to broadcast my radio shows onto the net live, I got all over icecast but in the end it never did the job for me.. Live365 is a commerical endevor, but provides a good service IMO.. I'm sure it's possible to use a linux encodeer to stream to it, but I just couldn't be bothered in the end.
Right on brother. I'm only 24, but you've prefectly described my experience. I have nothing to complain about (money, talents, looks, travel) but sometimes life is seriously not worth living. The time I almost killed myself on vacation in Maui is a perfect example of the stupididity of it.
But still, when I'm not in the depths of an episode, it doesn't seem like the worst deal in the world. My 'condition' has its downsides, but it also allows me to perform feats of computing that make mear mortals shiver. Without it, I wouldn't have the money, I wouldn't be able to travel, I wouldn't have the obcession to make it to the gym every day, I wouldn't have the balls for hostel travel and I generally wouldn't lead the interesting life I do.
Abbie (Abbott) Hoffman, 4,101 pages.. Sweet..
That's like 40 pages of FBI records for every page of Steal This Book.
does it have enough juice to decode mp3s?
16 megs of flash to speedly boot from, an IDE CDROM for the mp3s.. At that price, I should get one for the living room and one for the car..
I believe this was the idea back when the EFF got started.. It's been said they 'came of age' over the whole PGP thing and went from grassroots to full on beltway lobby.. Personally, I don't agree with every little thing they do, but they're definitly doing a hell of alot more for the cause then I am and deserve respect.. I don't think splintering their support would help anyone right now..
On the other hand...
It seems to me that beinging the EFF (or an EFF-like NGO focused on software issues) fully into the open source fold might not be a bad idea either.. Convince IPO rich corperations who have been treated very well by open software to provide funding.. On top of lobbying, a system providing probono legal aid for copyright issues would be nice. Basically an orgainsation with some money and savvy to step in when bad money lawyers start shaking down pennyless unsavvy programmers. Basically create a situation where if you want to file a lawsuit against an opensource programmer you'd better be sure your really in the right or you'll get thrashed in court by respectable NGO lawyers and trashed in the press by saintly NGO PR.. Greenpeace style, without the Zodiacs (as many of them anyway)..
> Jack Valenti
> They're not at all. I don't follow you're logic there.
Me to Mister Jack Valent:
Then you and your whole parasitic distrubution industry are DEAD, and there is nothing you can do but stall and look stupid in the process.. Evolve or die your castles in the sky are coming down..
The Dominion Tavern on York street, next to Zaphod Beeblebrox (mainstream dance bar), that's where you want to be.. Only half decent punk rock dive bar in this town..
Actually, I wonder if there are enough linux punks to make it worth promoting a punkrawk show well the con is on.. Probably not..
- Internet cafes are less common in north america as most people surf from home/work.. Don't expect to depend on them..
- I wouldn't bother trying for wireless access. It'll cost you a bundle and if you just want to upload picutes and keep up, you can wait till you get to a hotel room I assume..
A laptop with a roadwarrior kit would be my method of choice. Pick an ISP with lots of access numbers.. AOL is probably the easiest, but there are lots of other choices.. When you checkin, tell them you need to use a modem in your room.. Common request these days at any half decent hotel..
What? Unless I'e been walking around in a trance, exactly the reverse is true.. Even a cheap monitor has a better quality picture then a fairly expensive TV.. Potention resolution, scan rate, dot pitch, all better on monitors then crappy NTSC TVs..<p>
Forgive me if I don't jump in the air and scream "At last! Non-belief in God is intellectually credible! I can stop this Christianity lark and go out into the evil, bad world as an atheist with my intellectual pride intact..." I figured that one out back when I was about 9.. God is like Satan Clause, without the pretty boxes..
Palm size with a display that looks at good as a real CRT.. Enough wireless bandwidth to stream video with lots of room to spare.. Batteries that last at least weeks.. CPU power and storage don't matter as long as I can use remote resources transparently through that fat wireless pipe.. Voice Recognition, touch screen and/or wireless keyboard... Priced around the same as a discman.. That's the kind of PDA that would change the way we live our lives..
:)
Problems:
Display - That small that good doesn't exist yet
Batteries - Fuel cells might do the trick.
Bandwidth - I believe the wireless technology exists, its a question of infrastructure and regulation.
The Point (I guess):
Transmedia is making some neat CPUs, but I don't need more CPU power, I need more of everything else.
Anyone developing someting like this? I'm available for beta testing..