It was you who wrote, and I quote "I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression". I have given you many references to one specific well documented example where the NSA was involved in the identification and takedown of key leaders of a political movement. Perhaps you should have said something like: "I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression, unless it is a minor political movement, or a fringe political movement - it is OK to repress those they dont count."
Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submissiveness to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives.
Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness directed against deviants, outgroups, and other people that are perceived to be targets according to established authorities.
Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities, and a belief that others in one's society should also be required to adhere to these norms.
How many different BitTorrent clients are there? How did that happen...?
It would appear that Bittorrent the company considers the healthy bittorrent/client ecosystem to be a mistake not to be repeated. Like this chat protocol, they have also announced a P2P Streaming protcol - their implimentation will be closed source encumbered with patents that they have threated to use against anyone wishing to start an alternative open client. So even when they openly publish the protocol, it is still of no use the open source community. Don't believe me, take this quote from the horses mouth:
“We want people to use and adopt BitTorrent Live. But we aren’t planning on encouraging alternative implementation because [Insert pathetic excuse here]. We want to ensure a quality experience for all and this is the best approach for us to [i.e more pathetic excuses to close source the system],” Cohen told TorrentFreak.
So, yeah, You can read the protocol spec but try to impliment it and we will "discourage" you - i.e. use out patent(s) to clobber your OS project to oblivion. Personally I hope the open source community can take these interesting initiatives, design around the patents and make a true P2P Streaming and secure chat system ecosystem - because it appears that Bittorrent the company has fallen far from its early success of kicking off the truly open bittorrent protocol, sadly.
There's no way a business can afford a longer warranty period...
Certainly not when they deliberatly build in obsolescence so your forced to throw away/consume more - increase profits vs deplete more natural resources. Longer warrenty periods by law would go a long way to reign in companies balancing act - how short can they push a products life without overtly harming the brand. Force them to increase product quality (or at least remove the cheap gimmicks they use to sabotage their own products after a short period).
Still it is sad for such premium products that the maker has to be strongarmed into agreeing to local law.
F-That Mate, there can be no exceptions just because your a mega corporation. You don't like the local laws, minimum wage, environmental or employee protections, do not operate in that locality - your not welcome as a company.
Most Corporations are almost always looking to freeload to pad their bottom line. I.E. externalize the negatives so that the rest of us and our children have to pay the deficit one way or the other. Given the ease with whch they can buy their politicians, they usually get away with it...
It's more profitable for the lawmakers to change that law than to force Apple to provide repairs.
Yes. It is also easier for lawmakers/political elite to seem to be forced to change the law against their will in order to avoid political fallout. "We are just normalizing with internationaly recognized laws", Enter the TPP.
The data and operations sharing arrangements within these opaque organizations, is, well, opaque. There is no strict "there must be a separation of intelligence organizations" rule. They specialize and they also overlap, so we can only assume that they all work hand in hand:
That is what Snowden has exposed, with official, secret documents. The NSA, FBI and CIA have, with the new digital technology, surveillance powers over our own citizens that the Stasi – the secret police in the former "democratic republic" of East Germany – could scarcely have dreamed of. Snowden reveals that the so-called intelligence community has become the United Stasi of America.
True. The US is the biggest corporate welfare socialist regime in the world. Socialism is only a dirty word when you, dear tax payer, demand more social service bang for your buck. Why spend good tax $$$ on a dignified social security net when you can spend (appropriate?) X times more on an effective police state to crack down on the resulting crime due to a lack of one, or sell more health insurance even.
How do democratically elected officials (the president, congressmen or senators) get control of a stand-alone secret government bureaucracy that was operating long before they arrived and will survive them after they've gone? A bureaucracy that knows everything there is to know about them, too?
They don't. They can't. So the surreptitious, illicit actions of a US spy agency can undermine the diplomatic work of months and years. And the president - the elected official chosen to lead the country - is so hamstrung by the NSA that he cannot stop the interceptions and order an immediate investigation.
There are many reasons that nations spy on each other besides being an enemy. Although all of our nations are basically open, they are not necessarily completely transparent. Being able to understand your allies, the pressures they face, the practical considerations is important if you are going to engaged in coalition diplomacy
How do democratically elected officials (the president, congressmen or senators) get control of a stand-alone secret government bureaucracy that was operating long before they arrived and will survive them after they've gone? A bureaucracy that knows everything there is to know about them, too?
They don't. They can't. So the surreptitious, illicit actions of a US spy agency can undermine the diplomatic work of months and years. And the president - the elected official chosen to lead the country - is so hamstrung by the NSA that he cannot stop the interceptions and order an immediate investigation.
A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."
"However, an independent witness – John Goetz, a journalist with Der Spiegel – states that the events related above are simply not true:"
"“I was at dinner at the Moro restaurant in London, along with Marcel Rosenbach from Der Spiegel, David Leigh and Declan Walsh of the Guardian, and Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. Patrick Forbes asked me specifically if Julian Assange had made the remark “They’re informants, they deserve to die” at the dinner, as has been alleged by David Leigh, and I told him that Julian did not say that at the dinner.”"
But you know all this already, don't you Cold Fjord. By calling out your FUD with some facts and counter examples you will feebly defend as you have done in your last post by accusing any detractors from your message of being "fans" or part of some cult. Anything other than, you know, actually addressing the facts or providing solid counter evidence.
So now you have been informed that David Leighs account is highly questionably including credible independent third party witnesses, and that David Leigh has a long history of dishonesty on other non Assange related areas - yet I can guarantee you will be back here with the same ferver like agenda, the same libel Assange quote on the next Wikileaks story. No matter how many times we demonstrate some of your more crazy ideas to be false, you persist on repeating over and again the same falehoods - damn the facts and eternally ignore any counter evidence presented. One can see this clearly time and again across many topics only by browsing your post history and the subsequent replies. Rinse, repeat. This is the classical modus operandi of a troll, a shill and a astroturfer. Facts do not matter.
Soooo diluting the irradiated water, with clean water, before dumping it into more water (i.e. the ocean) is all Ok because it has been "treated". The mind boggles.
that the water will only be returned to the Pacific after treatment.
What treatment are you talking about?! If you call the plan for dilution a "treatment" then yeah. other than that how exactly to they plan to "treat" irradiated water before dumping it in the ocean?
At this point looking at your posts on this subject, you are glossing over major key points and are playing word games. Again: You have not addressed the key question yet you go on and on about caring for these women. The women DO deserve their day I think nobody disagrease. So let me repeat: tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? They will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange. That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
Sigh. *again*. You have not addressed the key question yet you go on and on about caring for these women. The women DO deserve their day I think nobody disagrease. So let me repeat: tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? They will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange. That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
The women DO deserve their day. So tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? I mean they will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange!? That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. Also please explain why the girls texted a message, paraphrased in English "that we have to figure out a good plan of revenge." . This is in addition to one of the girls previous publication of the guide "Seven steps for revenge against an unfaithful lover". You have to admit, that does not put the story you have highlighted in a good light. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
Gottfrid Svartholm (amongst others) was held in solitary for months, without charge, despite the ruling of Stockholm's Tingsr. So it is hardly a red herring, we have a clear example of solitary being used without charge. If you dispute this or wish to claim you would have to prove beyond doubt that they cannot apply the same treatment to Assange, and empty promises will not suffice.
I read your other comment. The facts we have on hand don't support it. If we look at what Swedens justice system has done in similar cases we see that they are fully capable and willing to interview suspected murderers in Serbia, so they are perfectly capable of interviewing a "minor rape" accusation in London if they really cared about resolving the case for the girls. Claiming it is a translation issue ignores this fact and is indeed just a red herring, but I am sure you know that already.
One google and we see that Borgström was fired by Wilén, and he even said so himself so I am not sure what lie your referring to. Also you provide no evidence that there WAS DNA found - all reports show that there was none found and the forensics on the condom show that it was cut with a knife/scissors. If your claiming all these reports are lies you had better come up with some references.
It is just a matter of weighing up the facts we have on hand and calling out the bullshit when we see it, and this case reeks to high heaven from the moment Marianne Ny reopened the case after it had been dropped. You may very well be right about the charges not being dropped and that the case is in a holding pattern despite the enormous damage it is doing to Swedens reputation and credibility as each month passes. Too many powerful vested interests here.
I find it hard to believe that a Social Democracy throws people in solitary before formal charges have been brought.... Are you seriously claiming that the Social Nirvana that is Sweden treats defendants worse than the United States?
"concern surrounds the Swedish detention facility, where Mr Assange would be held incommunicado upon arrival. Similar treatment can be seen in the case of Gottfrid Svartholm, founder of The Pirate Bay, who was held in solitary confinement for months without being officially charged."
Lost in all of this are his alleged victims, whom are supposed to actually receive some measure of justice. Their allegations may be completely bogus, totally legitimate, or lie somewhere in between, we'll never know as long as he keeps ducking the judicial system.
For someone who proposes to have spoken a lot about this case you seem to be missing a lot of high level well known and confirmable facts. Things that make one go Hmmm?
Freely walking the streets of the UK - WITH A TRACKING ANKLE DEVICE. Not to mention that he would be held in solitary the moment he lands in Sweden + easier to extradite him from Sweden to the US. Let me preempt those that still think it would be easier to extradite from the UK: The claim: "easier from the UK than Sweden" (FALSE).
Very sad that someone can be granted political asylum and *still* Sweden refuses to do a simple interview. Speaks volumes for the real intent of Sweden (hint: nothing to do with justice, all about locking people away for embarrassing those in power and bringing some long needed transparency into the public realm.)
The museum may be in a bit of a delicate position because residents of a state don't enjoy having their state made fun of."
Oh, because the politicians are "the state"? We shouldn't question our elites? Nice servitude attitude you got going on there.
Maybe it being banned has something to do with those same politicians having their hand in the till of the yearly multi-million dollar campaign to sell climate science denial. Forget facts. Forget science. Yay for forum shills, newspaper and television paid climate science denial.
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It was you who wrote, and I quote "I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression". I have given you many references to one specific well documented example where the NSA was involved in the identification and takedown of key leaders of a political movement. Perhaps you should have said something like: "I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression, unless it is a minor political movement, or a fringe political movement - it is OK to repress those they dont count."
Your posts here strongly smell of socially destructive Right Wing Authoritarianism, chiefly:
Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submissiveness to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives.
Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness directed against deviants, outgroups, and other people that are perceived to be targets according to established authorities.
Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities, and a belief that others in one's society should also be required to adhere to these norms.
But I don't think you can really claim unqualified totalitarianism unless there is actual repression tied into it, especially political repression
Latest example of several that are on record: NSA used to squash the political movment: Occupy Wall Street. So your right, it is now possible to make a claim for unqualified totalitarianism in this country.
Did Youtube hand over the IP Address?
How many different BitTorrent clients are there? How did that happen...?
It would appear that Bittorrent the company considers the healthy bittorrent/client ecosystem to be a mistake not to be repeated. Like this chat protocol, they have also announced a P2P Streaming protcol - their implimentation will be closed source encumbered with patents that they have threated to use against anyone wishing to start an alternative open client. So even when they openly publish the protocol, it is still of no use the open source community. Don't believe me, take this quote from the horses mouth:
“We want people to use and adopt BitTorrent Live. But we aren’t planning on encouraging alternative implementation because [Insert pathetic excuse here]. We want to ensure a quality experience for all and this is the best approach for us to [i.e more pathetic excuses to close source the system],” Cohen told TorrentFreak.
So, yeah, You can read the protocol spec but try to impliment it and we will "discourage" you - i.e. use out patent(s) to clobber your OS project to oblivion. Personally I hope the open source community can take these interesting initiatives, design around the patents and make a true P2P Streaming and secure chat system ecosystem - because it appears that Bittorrent the company has fallen far from its early success of kicking off the truly open bittorrent protocol, sadly.
There's no way a business can afford a longer warranty period...
Certainly not when they deliberatly build in obsolescence so your forced to throw away/consume more - increase profits vs deplete more natural resources. Longer warrenty periods by law would go a long way to reign in companies balancing act - how short can they push a products life without overtly harming the brand. Force them to increase product quality (or at least remove the cheap gimmicks they use to sabotage their own products after a short period).
Still it is sad for such premium products that the maker has to be strongarmed into agreeing to local law.
F-That Mate, there can be no exceptions just because your a mega corporation. You don't like the local laws, minimum wage, environmental or employee protections, do not operate in that locality - your not welcome as a company.
Most Corporations are almost always looking to freeload to pad their bottom line. I.E. externalize the negatives so that the rest of us and our children have to pay the deficit one way or the other. Given the ease with whch they can buy their politicians, they usually get away with it...
It's more profitable for the lawmakers to change that law than to force Apple to provide repairs.
Yes. It is also easier for lawmakers/political elite to seem to be forced to change the law against their will in order to avoid political fallout. "We are just normalizing with internationaly recognized laws", Enter the TPP.
That is what Snowden has exposed, with official, secret documents. The NSA, FBI and CIA have, with the new digital technology, surveillance powers over our own citizens that the Stasi – the secret police in the former "democratic republic" of East Germany – could scarcely have dreamed of. Snowden reveals that the so-called intelligence community has become the United Stasi of America.
True. The US is the biggest corporate welfare socialist regime in the world. Socialism is only a dirty word when you, dear tax payer, demand more social service bang for your buck. Why spend good tax $$$ on a dignified social security net when you can spend (appropriate?) X times more on an effective police state to crack down on the resulting crime due to a lack of one, or sell more health insurance even.
10 reasons why disney are unspeakably evil
If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him..
Cardinal Richelieu
NSA IS the government of the United States.
No, the NSA Surveillance Destroys Diplomacy and Democracy:
How do democratically elected officials (the president, congressmen or senators) get control of a stand-alone secret government bureaucracy that was operating long before they arrived and will survive them after they've gone? A bureaucracy that knows everything there is to know about them, too?
They don't. They can't. So the surreptitious, illicit actions of a US spy agency can undermine the diplomatic work of months and years. And the president - the elected official chosen to lead the country - is so hamstrung by the NSA that he cannot stop the interceptions and order an immediate investigation.
No, France, Germany, Mexico, Brazil, and Britain aren't the enemies of the US. But some of the people in those countries are.
Interesting spin. So how does monitoring 35 world leaders fall into that "the bad guys are amougst us" line.
There are many reasons that nations spy on each other besides being an enemy. Although all of our nations are basically open, they are not necessarily completely transparent. Being able to understand your allies, the pressures they face, the practical considerations is important if you are going to engaged in coalition diplomacy
In other words, the NSA Surveillance Destroys Diplomacy and Democracy:
How do democratically elected officials (the president, congressmen or senators) get control of a stand-alone secret government bureaucracy that was operating long before they arrived and will survive them after they've gone? A bureaucracy that knows everything there is to know about them, too? They don't. They can't. So the surreptitious, illicit actions of a US spy agency can undermine the diplomatic work of months and years. And the president - the elected official chosen to lead the country - is so hamstrung by the NSA that he cannot stop the interceptions and order an immediate investigation.
A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."
The reporter that attributed those words to Assange is David Leigh. A well known liar, the type of person that breaks contract then lies about it, David Leigh also has been called out out by an independent third party journalist for fabricating those words:
"However, an independent witness – John Goetz, a journalist with Der Spiegel – states that the events related above are simply not true:"
"“I was at dinner at the Moro restaurant in London, along with Marcel Rosenbach from Der Spiegel, David Leigh and Declan Walsh of the Guardian, and Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. Patrick Forbes asked me specifically if Julian Assange had made the remark “They’re informants, they deserve to die” at the dinner, as has been alleged by David Leigh, and I told him that Julian did not say that at the dinner.”"
David Leigh' s systematic pattern of dishonesty.
But you know all this already, don't you Cold Fjord. By calling out your FUD with some facts and counter examples you will feebly defend as you have done in your last post by accusing any detractors from your message of being "fans" or part of some cult. Anything other than, you know, actually addressing the facts or providing solid counter evidence.
So now you have been informed that David Leighs account is highly questionably including credible independent third party witnesses, and that David Leigh has a long history of dishonesty on other non Assange related areas - yet I can guarantee you will be back here with the same ferver like agenda, the same libel Assange quote on the next Wikileaks story. No matter how many times we demonstrate some of your more crazy ideas to be false, you persist on repeating over and again the same falehoods - damn the facts and eternally ignore any counter evidence presented. One can see this clearly time and again across many topics only by browsing your post history and the subsequent replies. Rinse, repeat. This is the classical modus operandi of a troll, a shill and a astroturfer. Facts do not matter.
Soooo diluting the irradiated water, with clean water, before dumping it into more water (i.e. the ocean) is all Ok because it has been "treated". The mind boggles.
that the water will only be returned to the Pacific after treatment.
What treatment are you talking about?! If you call the plan for dilution a "treatment" then yeah. other than that how exactly to they plan to "treat" irradiated water before dumping it in the ocean?
Maybe this news "update" is to sugar coat this news: They’re Going to Dump the Fukushima Radiation Into the Ocean.
The tiered justice system is working exactly as intended. Most of us are just on the wrong tier...
At this point looking at your posts on this subject, you are glossing over major key points and are playing word games. Again: You have not addressed the key question yet you go on and on about caring for these women. The women DO deserve their day I think nobody disagrease. So let me repeat: tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? They will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange. That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
Sigh. *again*. You have not addressed the key question yet you go on and on about caring for these women. The women DO deserve their day I think nobody disagrease. So let me repeat: tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? They will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange. That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
The women DO deserve their day. So tell us why Sweden is stalling and not doing an interview to move this case forward? I mean they will interview a accused murderer in Serbia but they will not interview Assange!? That clearly shows that Sweden prosecution does not have the girls interest at heart. Also please explain why the girls texted a message, paraphrased in English "that we have to figure out a good plan of revenge." . This is in addition to one of the girls previous publication of the guide "Seven steps for revenge against an unfaithful lover". You have to admit, that does not put the story you have highlighted in a good light. I think everyone involved wants this to get to trial so these little details can be fleshed out in court, but Sweden is stalling by not performing a simple interview. Political Asylum is not given lightly, so the ball really is in Swedens court.
Gottfrid Svartholm (amongst others) was held in solitary for months, without charge, despite the ruling of Stockholm's Tingsr. So it is hardly a red herring, we have a clear example of solitary being used without charge. If you dispute this or wish to claim you would have to prove beyond doubt that they cannot apply the same treatment to Assange, and empty promises will not suffice.
I read your other comment. The facts we have on hand don't support it. If we look at what Swedens justice system has done in similar cases we see that they are fully capable and willing to interview suspected murderers in Serbia, so they are perfectly capable of interviewing a "minor rape" accusation in London if they really cared about resolving the case for the girls. Claiming it is a translation issue ignores this fact and is indeed just a red herring, but I am sure you know that already.
One google and we see that Borgström was fired by Wilén, and he even said so himself so I am not sure what lie your referring to. Also you provide no evidence that there WAS DNA found - all reports show that there was none found and the forensics on the condom show that it was cut with a knife/scissors. If your claiming all these reports are lies you had better come up with some references.
It is just a matter of weighing up the facts we have on hand and calling out the bullshit when we see it, and this case reeks to high heaven from the moment Marianne Ny reopened the case after it had been dropped. You may very well be right about the charges not being dropped and that the case is in a holding pattern despite the enormous damage it is doing to Swedens reputation and credibility as each month passes. Too many powerful vested interests here.
I find it hard to believe that a Social Democracy throws people in solitary before formal charges have been brought.... Are you seriously claiming that the Social Nirvana that is Sweden treats defendants worse than the United States?
Well prepare to be shocked by Swedens draconian system then, as it has already happened. We have well documented examples of people being held in solitary FOR MONTHS without any charge. One of the more high profile examples was Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Svartholm, just another who pissed off the powers that be.:
"concern surrounds the Swedish detention facility, where Mr Assange would be held incommunicado upon arrival. Similar treatment can be seen in the case of Gottfrid Svartholm, founder of The Pirate Bay, who was held in solitary confinement for months without being officially charged."
Lost in all of this are his alleged victims, whom are supposed to actually receive some measure of justice. Their allegations may be completely bogus, totally legitimate, or lie somewhere in between, we'll never know as long as he keeps ducking the judicial system.
Interesting you should mention them - because if Sweden actually cared about justice for the girls they would hold an interview as they have done for murderers, see "Assange is willing to return to Sweden but prosecutors can also question him in the UK.". Then Sweden could let the girls have some closure by pressing charges, or dropping them as looks increasingly likely. The plot thickens by the month.
For someone who proposes to have spoken a lot about this case you seem to be missing a lot of high level well known and confirmable facts. Things that make one go Hmmm?
Very sad that someone can be granted political asylum and *still* Sweden refuses to do a simple interview. Speaks volumes for the real intent of Sweden (hint: nothing to do with justice, all about locking people away for embarrassing those in power and bringing some long needed transparency into the public realm.)
The museum may be in a bit of a delicate position because residents of a state don't enjoy having their state made fun of."
Oh, because the politicians are "the state"? We shouldn't question our elites? Nice servitude attitude you got going on there.
Maybe it being banned has something to do with those same politicians having their hand in the till of the yearly multi-million dollar campaign to sell climate science denial. Forget facts. Forget science. Yay for forum shills, newspaper and television paid climate science denial.
At least we will know who to persecute with extreme prejudice if (when?) climate chaos ends up killing millions.