Since RedHat and and other Linux based companies have the most to lose from this, i suggest that they do a test on similar hardware and publish everything that they did, and what results they got.
However waiting for a company to do something is a stupid way to go. I suggest some non-profit linux organization find out how much it will cost to purchase one of these machines, and create a fund where people can contribute money towards its purchase. Then allow folks who know about configuring it contribute information on how to do it. Publish the report, and bam, end of story. The machine could then be used for other linux related things such as hardware for linux developers to work and optimize on, or other such things. The potential for this is great since if its alot of folks will be willing to contribute to it. hell i got $10 bucks to go towards this beast. and i am sure that the money could be raised from slashdot users alone, much less the entire community, since once the project is started, companies will try to get some press coverage by saying they helped in the project.
Anywho this is my humble opinion, and what do i know?
Thats what my grandmother would have said (may she rest in peace.) AOL can't even (or don't care to) make version 4.0 of its software run correctly on NT 4.0, and its so god damn similar to windows 9x that it is not even funny. And to think that they would make a linux version?!? I guess not only programmers use drugs...
Anywho, if for some unknown reason they make a version of of their software that can run on linux, bet your last dollar that it is only ever going to run on a specific distro or embeded client. Cause they do not like to fix problems in their software. They have the worst response to software bugs/problems that i have ever seen in the computer industry. There general response is "its not our problem, contact microsoft/dealer" or "install the 16-bit version".
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sure, don't forget to tell your "commercial" software company that they have to pay Troll to make apps that use QT
maybe this law is sort of a hinderance from companies to push the limit, without knowing what the limit "should be" because if you believe that you just need to double your performance, most companies won't spend the extra money in R&D to inovate, cause its too risky. Some companies may try, but too many have been burnt in this wonderful "PC" market. or should i say "WinTel" market. If it aint MS, and it ain't Intel, then it ain't a PC. Got to love folks who believe that tripe.
"GM: I'm not sure. I feel the same way about my TV and hi-fi sets--all these damn remotes. I don't use them often enough to learn how, and I get so frustrated I could throw the thing through the set. My wife gets even more frustrated than I do."
I mean, if this guy thinks that using a remote control is so darn difficult, it makes you start to wonder whats is really going on in the hardware industry. It seems all a matter of luck and chance. I hope its not so in real. I thought these guys were like members of mensa or we capable of becoming members. But the way it looks is that they just try to stick with the curve, instead of trying to strike out on a new road. Well, what do i know, i don't have a PhD, but i can use a remote control...
Well, go tell the manufacture who sold you those cards!
shouldn't the hardware company be held responsible for selling you hardware that doesn't work with your system? Would you buy a AGP video card, if you had no AGP slots? So, you either:
1. Stop buying from companies who don't support linux, or drivers are not available for their devices.
or
2. Contact your manufacturer on a daily basis and DEMAND them to make drivers for your OS, or pay a programmer to develop drivers for your device and send the bill and the now GPLed drivers to the Hardware Manufactures so that they can repay you, and release the drivers with all their devices to their customers.
simple ain't it... now which do you want to choose? i thought so...
You are just get on a aircraft for a nice trip to a linuxexpo, or another linux related event. You take your seat and prepare for a routine flight. Then, the pilot gets on the PA System and anonuce that Foo Airlines (the one you are currently using cause they had a good price) has recently "upgraded" their entire fleet of aircrafts a new "state-of-the-art" flight controled system, using (you guessed it) embeded Windows NT!
Try comparing it to an aircraft, and you will see what i mean. You don't need to know how an aircraft works, but if you don't spend time understanding HOW they fly, you will crash often. Trying to make a dumb "push to take off" "push to land" aircraft interface will lead to alot of idiots dieing...
its so faste to cut and paste text in X. When i am in windows, i always try to use the X method, and then i sit and wonder why the damn thing didn't paste. Then i remember that i got to right click, seclect copy, the right click again and then select paste. Its a real hassle. Anyway...
well, if a "clue stick" is a threat, then you must be "retarded" else, you won't mind being hit over the head with it. It was meant as a form of humor. However, lets not stray from what you said earlier: "On the other hand, another popular OS can be installed by just about anyone capable of finding the on switch on their computers. If any Linux distribution is serious about competing as a mainstream OS, the interface must be simple enough for the average computer user. Linux users, for now, tend to be above average in computer knowledge."
look at what i said in response to that, i said basicaly implied that the only other OS that MS makes that compares to linux is NT Server, and it installation is just as diffuclut as any other OS. If you are doing a clean install of Linux on a new computer, it can be done pretty easily with RH's new "Workstation/Server" options.
why are you comparing linux to windows 95/98? are you retarded? Linux is networking OS, it can be used as a desktop OS, but it primary strength come form its powerful server capabilitites. If the person doesn't give a rats arse about networks, then let them install BeOS, now thats a sweet OS for the "average computer user"
try to get "the average computer user" to install NT Server, and then to get his modem working and his soundcard working, and his network card working, and then to configure his network.
Then try to get him to install it on a system that has linux preinstalled, and you want him to make it dual boot. Shit, let him even try to install windows 95/98 on a preinstalled linux system, let him have to create partitions and get them to dual boot.
yeah, in this case a pure gui may be necessary, but what if you wanted to just do cd recording, some programs specialize in some areas, while others specialise in others. You want to basicaly keep on reinventing the wheel just to prove your point? heh, thats just stupid.
a perfect program will of course be a combination of two things: a CLI and a GUI. You keep the CLI part of the program powerful and robust, with tons of arcane switchs and crap, and you use the GUI as a frontend for it, in fact, most GUIs right now are infact just frontends to CLI programs. Even though its must faster for me to type in the exact long line of text to make a cd image from a directory and pipe it to the cd recorder, i still prefer to use a GUI frontend, just because i am lazy.
it may be a good article, but i was bored and confused by too many twist and turns in the article, i think i was almost halfway through it and i still had no idea what point he was trying to make. I don't clain to be a writer, but my teacher once told me that to get folks to read your work, you must say what you are going to talk about in the first paragraph, then talk about it in the rest of the essay, then end it by saying what you talked about.
i just wanted to add a little onto the topic, it is my belief that "ideas" are indeed a part of nature. And being such they tend to come to more than one person around the same time due to the fact that there is a "need" for it to manifest itself. I know it may be strange to think that ideas find people to use them, and not the other way around. However there are times when ideas manifest themselves before a use can be found, and in these rear situations, the true value of the idea is unknown until the time when it can be used. The only value that should be made off of an idea is in the implementation of it. What we as a society have to do, is to use the law, not as a unbending ruler, but as a guide that can be adjusted to the situation. Due to the exponential growth of technology, we should examine each industry, and see how long a patent should last, allowing for the creator of the "product" to gain a decent amount of financial rewards, yet allow the rest of society to benifit from it. Each industry should be able to decide what is of value and what is a hinderance to the advancement of itself.
I go to the store to buy a car, and i take it home, and it does not work, so i open the hood of the car and fix the problem, and then have to go back to the store and tell them how i fixed the problem, and they put it into their next version. I get nothing in return for all my hard work, plus i had to PAY for the car.
So you trying to tell me that is okay to buy broken crap, as long as you can fix it and tell the people who sold you the broken crap how you did it.
what i would like to get is a keyboard that is made to be used with one hand only, cause i think it is more efficient if you are working in an environment where you have to use the mouse and keyboard at the same time. Cause i hate having to puttake my hands off of the mouse to typ, and then put my hands back on the mouse, it just gets tiresome after a while. If i could get a real simple keyboard with just the basics on it, and small enough to use, i would be happy, and i am sure alot of people would too. It won't be for those who do lots of typing, but for those of us who switch back and forth alot during the day.
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Since RedHat and and other Linux based companies have the most to lose from this, i suggest that they do a test on similar hardware and publish everything that they did, and what results they got.
However waiting for a company to do something is a stupid way to go. I suggest some non-profit linux organization find out how much it will cost to purchase one of these machines, and create a fund where people can contribute money towards its purchase. Then allow folks who know about configuring it contribute information on how to do it. Publish the report, and bam, end of story. The machine could then be used for other linux related things such as hardware for linux developers to work and optimize on, or other such things. The potential for this is great since if its alot of folks will be willing to contribute to it. hell i got $10 bucks to go towards this beast.
and i am sure that the money could be raised from slashdot users alone, much less the entire community, since once the project is started, companies will try to get some press coverage by saying they helped in the project.
Anywho this is my humble opinion, and what do i know?
Thats what my grandmother would have said (may she rest in peace.)
AOL can't even (or don't care to) make version 4.0 of its software run correctly on NT 4.0, and its so god damn similar to windows 9x that it is not even funny. And to think that they would make a linux version?!? I guess not only programmers use drugs...
Anywho, if for some unknown reason they make a version of of their software that can run on linux, bet your last dollar that it is only ever going to run on a specific distro or embeded client. Cause they do not like to fix problems in their software. They have the worst response to software bugs/problems that i have ever seen in the computer industry. There general response is "its not our problem, contact microsoft/dealer" or "install the 16-bit version".
sure, don't forget to tell your "commercial" software company that they have to pay Troll to make apps that use QT
the only one that seems to come close is peruser.
But thats putting it bluntly
maybe this law is sort of a hinderance from companies to push the limit, without knowing what the limit "should be"
because if you believe that you just need to double your performance, most companies won't spend the extra money in R&D to inovate, cause its too risky. Some companies may try, but too many have been burnt in this wonderful "PC" market. or should i say "WinTel" market. If it aint MS, and it ain't Intel, then it ain't a PC. Got to love folks who believe that tripe.
"GM: I'm not sure. I feel the same way about my TV and hi-fi sets--all these damn remotes. I don't use them often enough to learn how, and I get so frustrated I could throw the thing through the set. My wife gets even more frustrated than I do."
I mean, if this guy thinks that using a remote control is so darn difficult, it makes you start to wonder whats is really going on in the hardware industry. It seems all a matter of luck and chance. I hope its not so in real. I thought these guys were like members of mensa or we capable of becoming members. But the way it looks is that they just try to stick with the curve, instead of trying to strike out on a new road. Well, what do i know, i don't have a PhD, but i can use a remote control...
Well, go tell the manufacture who sold you those cards!
shouldn't the hardware company be held responsible for selling you hardware that doesn't work with your system? Would you buy a AGP video card, if you had no AGP slots? So, you either:
1. Stop buying from companies who don't support linux, or drivers are not available for their devices.
or
2. Contact your manufacturer on a daily basis and DEMAND them to make drivers for your OS, or pay a programmer to develop drivers for your device and send the bill and the now GPLed drivers to the Hardware Manufactures so that they can repay you, and release the drivers with all their devices to their customers.
simple ain't it...
now which do you want to choose?
i thought so...
You are just get on a aircraft for a nice trip to a linuxexpo, or another linux related event. You take your seat and prepare for a routine flight. Then, the pilot gets on the PA System and anonuce that Foo Airlines (the one you are currently using cause they had a good price) has recently "upgraded" their entire fleet of aircrafts a new "state-of-the-art" flight controled system, using (you guessed it) embeded Windows NT!
Then you wake up screaming....
:)
Try comparing it to an aircraft, and you will see what i mean. You don't need to know how an aircraft works, but if you don't spend time understanding HOW they fly, you will crash often. Trying to make a dumb "push to take off" "push to land" aircraft interface will lead to alot of idiots dieing...
then again, that may not be such a bad idea...
its so faste to cut and paste text in X.
When i am in windows, i always try to use the X method, and then i sit and wonder why the damn thing didn't paste. Then i remember that i got to right click, seclect copy, the right click again and then select paste. Its a real hassle. Anyway...
is he god now?
well, if a "clue stick" is a threat, then you must be "retarded" else, you won't mind being hit over the head with it. It was meant as a form of humor. However, lets not stray from what you said earlier:
"On the other hand, another popular OS can be installed by just about anyone capable of finding the on switch on their computers. If any Linux distribution is serious about competing as a mainstream OS, the interface must be simple enough for the average computer user. Linux users, for now, tend to be above average in computer knowledge."
look at what i said in response to that, i said basicaly implied that the only other OS that MS makes that compares to linux is NT Server, and it installation is just as diffuclut as any other OS.
If you are doing a clean install of Linux on a new computer, it can be done pretty easily with RH's new "Workstation/Server" options.
why are you comparing linux to windows 95/98?
are you retarded?
Linux is networking OS, it can be used as a desktop OS, but it primary strength come form its powerful server capabilitites. If the person doesn't give a rats arse about networks, then let them install BeOS, now thats a sweet OS for the "average computer user"
try to get "the average computer user" to install NT Server, and then to get his modem working and his soundcard working, and his network card working, and then to configure his network.
Then try to get him to install it on a system that has linux preinstalled, and you want him to make it dual boot. Shit, let him even try to install windows 95/98 on a preinstalled linux system, let him have to create partitions and get them to dual boot.
I will be waiting with the clue stick for you.
yeah, in this case a pure gui may be necessary, but what if you wanted to just do cd recording, some programs specialize in some areas, while others specialise in others. You want to basicaly keep on reinventing the wheel just to prove your point? heh, thats just stupid.
a perfect program will of course be a combination of two things: a CLI and a GUI. You keep the CLI part of the program powerful and robust, with tons of arcane switchs and crap, and you use the GUI as a frontend for it, in fact, most GUIs right now are infact just frontends to CLI programs. Even though its must faster for me to type in the exact long line of text to make a cd image from a directory and pipe it to the cd recorder, i still prefer to use a GUI frontend, just because i am lazy.
it may be a good article, but i was bored and confused by too many twist and turns in the article, i think i was almost halfway through it and i still had no idea what point he was trying to make.
I don't clain to be a writer, but my teacher once told me that to get folks to read your work, you must say what you are going to talk about in the first paragraph, then talk about it in the rest of the essay, then end it by saying what you talked about.
actualy there is documentation on the CD, and if you no want to do that, you can get it in html form on RH website.
I2O is what?
Throw this one in MS pipe:
Q. Who is the biggest ISP (don't nitpick) right now?
A. AOL
Q. What is AOL's latest version?
A. 4.0
Q. Does it run on NT 4.0?
A. Yes and No.
Q. Explain?
A. Well, you can use it only to connect to AOL through TCP/IP, but trying to connect using the modem is impossible.
Q. Is this a 32bit application?
A. Yes
Q. Doesn't it run on windows 95/98?
A. Yes
Q. I am confused, i thought windows 95/98 was compatable with NT?
A. No comment...
Billy reminds me of Mr. Burns from the simpsons...
excellent
i just wanted to add a little onto the topic, it is my belief that "ideas" are indeed a part of nature. And being such they tend to come to more than one person around the same time due to the fact that there is a "need" for it to manifest itself. I know it may be strange to think that ideas find people to use them, and not the other way around. However there are times when ideas manifest themselves before a use can be found, and in these rear situations, the true value of the idea is unknown until the time when it can be used. The only value that should be made off of an idea is in the implementation of it. What we as a society have to do, is to use the law, not as a unbending ruler, but as a guide that can be adjusted to the situation. Due to the exponential growth of technology, we should examine each industry, and see how long a patent should last, allowing for the creator of the "product" to gain a decent amount of financial rewards, yet allow the rest of society to benifit from it. Each industry should be able to decide what is of value and what is a hinderance to the advancement of itself.
I go to the store to buy a car, and i take it home, and it does not work, so i open the hood of the car and fix the problem, and then have to go back to the store and tell them how i fixed the problem, and they put it into their next version. I get nothing in return for all my hard work, plus i had to PAY for the car.
So you trying to tell me that is okay to buy broken crap, as long as you can fix it and tell the people who sold you the broken crap how you did it.
take ActiveX off of the list, its dangerous crap and should never have been created or should be used, the security hazard of it is beyond limit.
Anyone who even speaks that name should be nailed to a wall, and his rights to use a computer revoked.
what i would like to get is a keyboard that is made to be used with one hand only, cause i think it is more efficient if you are working in an environment where you have to use the mouse and keyboard at the same time. Cause i hate having to puttake my hands off of the mouse to typ, and then put my hands back on the mouse, it just gets tiresome after a while. If i could get a real simple keyboard with just the basics on it, and small enough to use, i would be happy, and i am sure alot of people would too. It won't be for those who do lots of typing, but for those of us who switch back and forth alot during the day.