Yes, but hopefully Australia will still be seen as such a peaceful ally with the US that we can buy or license a few Armadillo modules when their development hits its stride:)
Hate to tell you this, but every phone call is logged. As for every email, well, it sits on a server which may or may not be deleting it when you say delete and, in any case, can often be recovered from the hard drive if the message is deleted.
As for rhetoric, I asked you a straight question, and it seems your answer is that no use of a database of incidental recordings is acceptable. I guess all those security cameras in and around government buildings are a nightmare to you. I guess phone logs are a bigger nightmare.
It sucks that there is occasionally abuse.. but when that happens, we deal with it. All the rest of the time the technology can be put to good use. With the appropriate oversight in place, I can't understand your objection.
It's a damn shame that a nice launch vehicle also happens to make a nice ICBM, but the progress of getting off this rock is a teenie bit more important that keeping foreign countries from spending less than a few million dollars and a few years of research and development to make their own design. Meanwhile, the much harder problem of making a man rated rocket is being done over and over and over again. Talk about duplication of efforts.
Ok, so, like, if your car gets stolen and you wanna find the person who stole it, you don't think you should be able to track your car?
Can you give someone else permission to track your car? Say, by giving them your number plate code and asking them to look at cars that go by and tell you if they see yours? Would be ok if they used some computer equipment to help?
Great, is it ok if the police do this then? Assuming you've given them permission to look for your car?
Is the only objection to this technology that data about which cars were where at a given time is being maintained for purposes unspecified? And that maybe there should be a limitation on what this information can be used for?
The point I was trying to make was simply that the assumption that something will "just work" often is used as justification for poor control over such actions being placed in the UI. For example, if it is assumed that the wireless subsystem will automatically pick the best access point, why bother putting an access point preference selector in the wireless device configuration UI? The idea that someone should have to go dig through logs to find out why the lesser favourite access point was selected is all well and good, but it doesn't help solve the immediate problem that the automatic selection of access points isn't working. Whereas, if the assumption is that things that "just work" might not "just work" now and then, the developer is more likely to provide the user with the tools they need to get the job done themselves.
My invitation for you think has obviously been rejected.
Databases don't just appear out of thin air you know.. it costs money to enter the data. It costs money to convert the data from one format to another. Building a list of license plate numbers to present to a number recognition system is pretty easy. Building a list of faces to present to a face recognition system is still a hard problem.
Actually, I was talking about the people who wait until the due date to get money to pay a bill and then discover that they don't have the money after all because of a "bank error".
And yeah, if you pay a bill after the due date, you're a deadbeat.
That's what the word means.
Businesses work like many people do, that is, they pay their bills as late as possible (sometimes even after the due date). Which is why I said I am aware that most people are deadbeats.
You outline all the good things about the Mac UI but don't outline the bad things. In fact, I bet you can't even name any bad things and just think it is perfect. Which is total bullocks. You're just repressing them.
One thing I hate is the mentality of "it just works". Which is great, if it does, but when it doesn't, well, you're shit out of luck because we didn't even bother putting any UI components in to help you diagnose what the problem is, because there's not supposed to be any problems!
Yeah.. in response to the first one, I say if you can't have enough money in your bank account to last the entire month then you are living beyond your means. Stop committing to bills you can't afford. And yes, I do speak from experience. I grew up poor, worked my way through college, and neither I, nor my parents have ever defaulted on a loan.
Dude, you can't just make up a different scenario to make your argument. The claim was that if the ATM screws up and doesn't give you cash on the day then you're screwed because you can't pay a bill. I said he shouldn't be paying a bill on the due date in the first place. If he had said that he couldn't pay his drug dealer to get his daily supply of crack then, yes, he would have a valid point, but he didn't.
There is now a suitable KBI, until people start coding for it you could not use proprietary drivers. Everything else you said is self contradictory so I won't bother replying to it.
They're orthogonal concepts. You can be a rich deadbeat, a poor deadbeat, someone who is rich and pays on-time or someone who is poor and pays on-time. I grew up poor but my parents never missed a bill, never defaulted on a loan, never had anything repossessed, etc. I like to think I learned something from their example.
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They're orthogonal concepts. You can be a rich deadbeat, a poor deadbeat, someone who is rich and pays on-time or someone who is poor and pays on-time. I grew up poor but my parents never missed a bill, never defaulted on a loan, never had anything repossessed, etc. I like to think I learned something from their example.
Duh! Yeah they do. It's *money*.. people put a lot of effort into tracking it.
The fact that the machine emitted $20 notes instead of $5 notes is more testimony to the fact that you need to make your notes DIFFERENT SIZES like the rest of the world has figured out already.
What details are you suggesting I missed? Unless he is fibbing in his blog entry (linked in the summary) it had all the information necessary. No need to speculate. Exactly. There's two sides to every story. As for fibbing, that's often the first thing people do when confronted by border security. They think if they tell just a little white lie they'll get through the screen process faster. The result is the opposite, should they catch you in that lie.
"Will you be doing any work in the US?" "No." "Says here you are presenting at a conference." "Uhh, yes, that's right." "Are you being paid to present at this conference?" "Umm, no." "Well the documentation you've given me indicates that you will be.. come with me, Sir."
"Ok, so you are being paid to present at this conference, why did you lie to me?"
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Yes, but hopefully Australia will still be seen as such a peaceful ally with the US that we can buy or license a few Armadillo modules when their development hits its stride :)
Hate to tell you this, but every phone call is logged. As for every email, well, it sits on a server which may or may not be deleting it when you say delete and, in any case, can often be recovered from the hard drive if the message is deleted.
As for rhetoric, I asked you a straight question, and it seems your answer is that no use of a database of incidental recordings is acceptable. I guess all those security cameras in and around government buildings are a nightmare to you. I guess phone logs are a bigger nightmare.
It sucks that there is occasionally abuse.. but when that happens, we deal with it. All the rest of the time the technology can be put to good use. With the appropriate oversight in place, I can't understand your objection.
It's a damn shame that a nice launch vehicle also happens to make a nice ICBM, but the progress of getting off this rock is a teenie bit more important that keeping foreign countries from spending less than a few million dollars and a few years of research and development to make their own design. Meanwhile, the much harder problem of making a man rated rocket is being done over and over and over again. Talk about duplication of efforts.
For later uses, yes. What uses do you object to? Or are you willing to throw out the baby with the bath water?
Uhhh.. the article specifically said that the purpose was to look for stolen cars and that a number had been found using the technique.
If that's the purpose, are you ok with it?
What other purposes are you ok with?
What purposes are you not ok with?
What purposes would you be ok with if the investigators had to get a warrant before they could access this database?
You can't just say "I don't like it, let's pretend this technology doesn't exist!"
Ok, so, like, if your car gets stolen and you wanna find the person who stole it, you don't think you should be able to track your car?
Can you give someone else permission to track your car? Say, by giving them your number plate code and asking them to look at cars that go by and tell you if they see yours? Would be ok if they used some computer equipment to help?
Great, is it ok if the police do this then? Assuming you've given them permission to look for your car?
Is the only objection to this technology that data about which cars were where at a given time is being maintained for purposes unspecified? And that maybe there should be a limitation on what this information can be used for?
Oh, sorry, I didn't get what you were asking..
What can I say, I kinda think it is ok for someone to track something they own.
Thanks you my rude friend.
The point I was trying to make was simply that the assumption that something will "just work" often is used as justification for poor control over such actions being placed in the UI. For example, if it is assumed that the wireless subsystem will automatically pick the best access point, why bother putting an access point preference selector in the wireless device configuration UI? The idea that someone should have to go dig through logs to find out why the lesser favourite access point was selected is all well and good, but it doesn't help solve the immediate problem that the automatic selection of access points isn't working. Whereas, if the assumption is that things that "just work" might not "just work" now and then, the developer is more likely to provide the user with the tools they need to get the job done themselves.
Now, kindly, fuck off.
I dare say that this is the kind of action that the ACLU should be concerned with.. ya know, the abuse.
My invitation for you think has obviously been rejected.
Databases don't just appear out of thin air you know.. it costs money to enter the data. It costs money to convert the data from one format to another. Building a list of license plate numbers to present to a number recognition system is pretty easy. Building a list of faces to present to a face recognition system is still a hard problem.
Database.
I had to pay for my passport too. Still remains the property of the state.
You own your face. They own your number plate.
Big fuckin' difference.
And yeah, if you pay a bill after the due date, you're a deadbeat.
That's what the word means. Businesses work like many people do, that is, they pay their bills as late as possible (sometimes even after the due date). Which is why I said I am aware that most people are deadbeats.
You outline all the good things about the Mac UI but don't outline the bad things. In fact, I bet you can't even name any bad things and just think it is perfect. Which is total bullocks. You're just repressing them.
One thing I hate is the mentality of "it just works". Which is great, if it does, but when it doesn't, well, you're shit out of luck because we didn't even bother putting any UI components in to help you diagnose what the problem is, because there's not supposed to be any problems!
Yeah.. in response to the first one, I say if you can't have enough money in your bank account to last the entire month then you are living beyond your means. Stop committing to bills you can't afford. And yes, I do speak from experience. I grew up poor, worked my way through college, and neither I, nor my parents have ever defaulted on a loan.
As for the second, whatever, you're full of shit.
Dude, you can't just make up a different scenario to make your argument. The claim was that if the ATM screws up and doesn't give you cash on the day then you're screwed because you can't pay a bill. I said he shouldn't be paying a bill on the due date in the first place. If he had said that he couldn't pay his drug dealer to get his daily supply of crack then, yes, he would have a valid point, but he didn't.
There is now a suitable KBI, until people start coding for it you could not use proprietary drivers. Everything else you said is self contradictory so I won't bother replying to it.
They're orthogonal concepts. You can be a rich deadbeat, a poor deadbeat, someone who is rich and pays on-time or someone who is poor and pays on-time. I grew up poor but my parents never missed a bill, never defaulted on a loan, never had anything repossessed, etc. I like to think I learned something from their example.
[Duplicated from another post because people can't read the whole thread before replying.]
They're orthogonal concepts. You can be a rich deadbeat, a poor deadbeat, someone who is rich and pays on-time or someone who is poor and pays on-time. I grew up poor but my parents never missed a bill, never defaulted on a loan, never had anything repossessed, etc. I like to think I learned something from their example.
Duh! Yeah they do. It's *money*.. people put a lot of effort into tracking it.
The fact that the machine emitted $20 notes instead of $5 notes is more testimony to the fact that you need to make your notes DIFFERENT SIZES like the rest of the world has figured out already.
America hates the blind.
I'm aware that the majority of people are deadbeats, yes.
Yes, but responsible people don't wait until the due date to pay their bills.
Just like responsible students don't wait until the due date to do their assignments.
as the article says, the machine knows who got too much money and didn't come forward about it.
"Will you be doing any work in the US?"
"No."
"Says here you are presenting at a conference."
"Uhh, yes, that's right."
"Are you being paid to present at this conference?"
"Umm, no."
"Well the documentation you've given me indicates that you will be.. come with me, Sir."
"Ok, so you are being paid to present at this conference, why did you lie to me?"
Things go downhill from there.