Please who tell other people how to talk are wankers. If we listened to them we'd all still be talking like Shakespeare. If you want some real pain, go read Neil Stephenson's Quicksilver. The majority of the book is set in the 17th century but every talks like they're on the cast of Friends.
Call me crazy, but if it were legal for Apple to prevent people from cloning their hardware don't you think that IBM would have done it a long time ago? No, the only reason why people won't bother making Mac clones is because it simply isn't economical to buy retail copies of OSX and install it on them. Unless Apple starts licensing OSX to clone makers there will be no clones.
I think the real point is, if you make Mac "clones" and sell them with the OS installed is Apple going to be able to sue you or not? On their own hardware they might have been able to make some sort of claim, but when Dell starts selling generic hardware with Mac OS X preinstalled I'd like to see Apple try to sue them.
Let me put this to you.. if people actually do this then surely there is some element of risk. If there's some element of risk then surely some people have been caught. If people have been caught then surely others would have heard about it. If you heard such a thing wouldn't you tell other people? So why is it that none of us can actually name a single corporate spy who has been caught? Surely it should be a regular occurance in all the papers, but the fact remains that we never hear about people being caught for corporate espionage. Does "urban myth" mean anything to you?
Exactly! And yet I guarentee you that the only cleaner who has tried this has earned nothing more than a jail term. If corporate espionage exists it's not a financial thing.
Ok, well to put it another way, as long as security companies respond to and fix any of the vulnerabilities they witness being exploited that is more than an adequate service.
no, it's not, because you spend a lot of time chasing non-issues instead of chasing real issues. Obviously a massive preventive effort like that performed by the OpenBSD team is a fantastic thing, but it also happens to result in a massive reduction in productivity.
Look! I'm the cynical one ok? We can't both be cynical. So go fuckin' sell some information to a competitor, preferably with a hidden camera on your person, or STFU.
Yeah, they would, cause it would be illegal and people in business generally don't do things that are illegal. But hey, don't take my word for it. Go make contact with someone in a rival company and try selling them information, you'll quickly discover I'm right. Consider it a gentleman's wager, if I'm wrong you get $$$, if I'm right you get a jail sentence.
if you had RTFA you might have had a chance to understand that security companies don't need good hearted coders to tell them about exploits, they monitor networks and see the attackers breaking in. From this information security companies can easily expose zero-day exploits.
Call my cynical, but I think the public perception of corporate espionage is even more ignorant than that of regular espionage. I mean, if corporate espionage was as rife as people think it is then surely I, or one of the many other geeks here who work in highly "secure" environments, would have been approached to engage in it. I never have, have you? What are you gunna steal? Trade secrets? Release dates for products? Customer lists? Is this stuff even remotely valuable anymore?
I love the fact that people went to all the trouble of getting Eclipse to compile with gcj and then didn't supply any binaries for use by the general public.
It's funny how no-one sees it that way. To me it's just outragous. When a copyright owner declares that a police officer should go and arrest someone for violating their copyright who do they think is paying the police officer? Isn't it absurd to think that the person being arrested should pay?
Why is it that people have to pay land taxes but they don't have to pay copyright taxes? If you own land you are required to pay a tax on it because the state spends a heck of a lot of public resources on protecting that land for you. The same goes for copyright (especially now that copyright violation has become a criminal act in some countries) so why don't the copyright holders have to pay a tax?
Heh, not to mention the effect of group thinking. When you have a group of people the intelligence of the group is not determined by the smartest person in the group, it's determined by the dumbest. For example, in a recent MxO event players persisted in firing at a "boss", even though it was clear that bullets had no effect, for hours. It actually took the intervention of the live team for players to figure out that certain items dropped by mobs which spawned from the boss could be used as weapons against it. Even then they continued to fire at it. Then, when you think that the intelligence of the group couldn't possibly get any lower, people started to/dance next to the boss and stripped down and ran naked between its legs. Oh yeah, the hell is definitely other players.
Actually, you're wrong. If any employer says programmers aint worth jack and fires them willy nilly, the product they produce will be crap and then we won't buy it. Therefore, we determine the value of programmers. Same with voice actors.
My computer is supplied by my employer, so that particular ability is of no use to my anyway (as I'd be dumb to go inserting new hardware into their computer myself). Yes, my desktop machine is a laptop.
I hate to tell you this, but the vast majority of coders in the gaming industry are not replacable. The management would like to think they are though, and that's why we get so many poorly coded titles on the shelf.
Blah, fake your results, say it doesn't work, quit, start a company. Easy. This particular case is bogus academic crap but I'm sure there's cases where it happens.
It's funny ya know. There once was a time where if you were a researcher at a university and you discovered something like this you'd actually go form a company and make a billion dollar industry. Now people have so given up on turning research into products that they just publish their results and hope one of the big boys takes their work and turns it into something useful.
swfdec is good and all, but we're not just after a replacement viewer, we're after a replacement plugin so FireFox can ship with 100% free software. That means it has to support ActionScript and all that other junk.
Which is another reason why anyone with a brain would actually contact the author before they used the software. Duh. Should the company get the ok from someone who claims to be the author and later discover they are not it is obvious who is going to get sued if they face any damages or losses as a result.
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Please who tell other people how to talk are wankers. If we listened to them we'd all still be talking like Shakespeare. If you want some real pain, go read Neil Stephenson's Quicksilver. The majority of the book is set in the 17th century but every talks like they're on the cast of Friends.
Call me crazy, but if it were legal for Apple to prevent people from cloning their hardware don't you think that IBM would have done it a long time ago? No, the only reason why people won't bother making Mac clones is because it simply isn't economical to buy retail copies of OSX and install it on them. Unless Apple starts licensing OSX to clone makers there will be no clones.
I think the real point is, if you make Mac "clones" and sell them with the OS installed is Apple going to be able to sue you or not? On their own hardware they might have been able to make some sort of claim, but when Dell starts selling generic hardware with Mac OS X preinstalled I'd like to see Apple try to sue them.
Let me put this to you.. if people actually do this then surely there is some element of risk. If there's some element of risk then surely some people have been caught. If people have been caught then surely others would have heard about it. If you heard such a thing wouldn't you tell other people? So why is it that none of us can actually name a single corporate spy who has been caught? Surely it should be a regular occurance in all the papers, but the fact remains that we never hear about people being caught for corporate espionage. Does "urban myth" mean anything to you?
Exactly! And yet I guarentee you that the only cleaner who has tried this has earned nothing more than a jail term. If corporate espionage exists it's not a financial thing.
Ok, well to put it another way, as long as security companies respond to and fix any of the vulnerabilities they witness being exploited that is more than an adequate service.
no, it's not, because you spend a lot of time chasing non-issues instead of chasing real issues. Obviously a massive preventive effort like that performed by the OpenBSD team is a fantastic thing, but it also happens to result in a massive reduction in productivity.
Look! I'm the cynical one ok? We can't both be cynical. So go fuckin' sell some information to a competitor, preferably with a hidden camera on your person, or STFU.
Yeah, they would, cause it would be illegal and people in business generally don't do things that are illegal. But hey, don't take my word for it. Go make contact with someone in a rival company and try selling them information, you'll quickly discover I'm right. Consider it a gentleman's wager, if I'm wrong you get $$$, if I'm right you get a jail sentence.
if you had RTFA you might have had a chance to understand that security companies don't need good hearted coders to tell them about exploits, they monitor networks and see the attackers breaking in. From this information security companies can easily expose zero-day exploits.
Call my cynical, but I think the public perception of corporate espionage is even more ignorant than that of regular espionage. I mean, if corporate espionage was as rife as people think it is then surely I, or one of the many other geeks here who work in highly "secure" environments, would have been approached to engage in it. I never have, have you? What are you gunna steal? Trade secrets? Release dates for products? Customer lists? Is this stuff even remotely valuable anymore?
I love the fact that people went to all the trouble of getting Eclipse to compile with gcj and then didn't supply any binaries for use by the general public.
It's funny how no-one sees it that way. To me it's just outragous. When a copyright owner declares that a police officer should go and arrest someone for violating their copyright who do they think is paying the police officer? Isn't it absurd to think that the person being arrested should pay?
Why is it that people have to pay land taxes but they don't have to pay copyright taxes? If you own land you are required to pay a tax on it because the state spends a heck of a lot of public resources on protecting that land for you. The same goes for copyright (especially now that copyright violation has become a criminal act in some countries) so why don't the copyright holders have to pay a tax?
Heh, not to mention the effect of group thinking. When you have a group of people the intelligence of the group is not determined by the smartest person in the group, it's determined by the dumbest. For example, in a recent MxO event players persisted in firing at a "boss", even though it was clear that bullets had no effect, for hours. It actually took the intervention of the live team for players to figure out that certain items dropped by mobs which spawned from the boss could be used as weapons against it. Even then they continued to fire at it. Then, when you think that the intelligence of the group couldn't possibly get any lower, people started to /dance next to the boss and stripped down and ran naked between its legs. Oh yeah, the hell is definitely other players.
Actually, you're wrong. If any employer says programmers aint worth jack and fires them willy nilly, the product they produce will be crap and then we won't buy it. Therefore, we determine the value of programmers. Same with voice actors.
My computer is supplied by my employer, so that particular ability is of no use to my anyway (as I'd be dumb to go inserting new hardware into their computer myself). Yes, my desktop machine is a laptop.
I hate to tell you this, but the vast majority of coders in the gaming industry are not replacable. The management would like to think they are though, and that's why we get so many poorly coded titles on the shelf.
Blah, fake your results, say it doesn't work, quit, start a company. Easy. This particular case is bogus academic crap but I'm sure there's cases where it happens.
Besides which, the constitution makes it clear that a copyright/patent system is OPTIONAL.
It's funny ya know. There once was a time where if you were a researcher at a university and you discovered something like this you'd actually go form a company and make a billion dollar industry. Now people have so given up on turning research into products that they just publish their results and hope one of the big boys takes their work and turns it into something useful.
swfdec is good and all, but we're not just after a replacement viewer, we're after a replacement plugin so FireFox can ship with 100% free software. That means it has to support ActionScript and all that other junk.
Which is another reason why anyone with a brain would actually contact the author before they used the software. Duh. Should the company get the ok from someone who claims to be the author and later discover they are not it is obvious who is going to get sued if they face any damages or losses as a result.
Yeah, companies without a clue. Honestly, if you don't understand basic licensing issues you shouldn't be involved with open source.
Uhhh, which would they be?