Well that's the point, it's not about winning, it's about showing your opponent that you are not powerless. Almost every fight ends in an apology and, as I said, a respect for each other.
That's cool, but as I understand it, religious people really do believe in miracles and the fact that it isn't testable actually re-enforces that belief. I've played MUDs as a "fighting monk" and tried to apply buddhist teachings to my role play. It makes for more enjoyable play and gives you some incite into what it is like to live as a buddhist.
I'd love to be able to play an RPG set in the times of the crusades so I could role play a dogmatic catholic marching into war.
Cause they ask for it the wrong way. Red Hat should have made it a very attractive option to get support for their enterprise GNU/Linux offering, not a requirement.
Man. Get out from under that rock you live under. I dare you to insult anyone you don't know and see if you don't get your ass kicked. Obviously all this electronic commication has warped your brain. You can't insult people in the Real World without expecting retribution.
That's amazing. So what you're saying is that you believe you should be free to insult anyone you like (much like you just called me a violent idiot) and they should have no recourse. Well if we can't get you to respect other people we can at least get you to act like you do. I hope you like living in fear.
call it what you will but before you insult someone, in person, your mind tends to take a look at how big they are and whether or not you can outrun them. If your mind doesn't do that I think you have reason to worry.
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See, that's exactly the kind of behaviour that would earn you an invitation to step outside if we were in the same room. You insult me freely on Slashdot demonstrating that you have no respect for me, because you feel no threat to your person. If we were in the same room you would not be so bold. Perhaps you consider my reasoning here to be uncivilised. To that I say: it is your actions which are uncivilised. Feel free to disagree with me. Feel free to tell me so. That is showing me respect. But calling me an idiot is clearly an act of disrespect and should be met with the offer of boxed ears.
Maybe the post that I was replying to has disappeared, I wasn't suggesting this device would land you in gaol, I was stating that "getting into a fist fight" would land you in gaol, which the post I was replying to suggested was a cheaper alternative.
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If I give you permission to hit me how is it assault? It's just such an absurd term. We're not talking about someone punching you without reason. We're talking about two consenting adults agreeing to the terms of a challenge to rectify a grievance. Whether those two adults choose to flip a coin, play rock-paper-scissors, thumb wrestle, arm wrestle or have a fist fight is no concern of the law. The problem with the UK is that you are ruled. You're subject to the whim of the crown. Since the first parliament was convened in Australia we've introduced laws that have freed us from that rule. Thankfully the crown has never intervened (like they did in the US) and we've never needed to have a revolution. Unfortunately the concept of "victim of crime" has been lost. Even in the US people are convicted of crimes to which there is no victim. I wish we could return to the days when police actually responded to greivances instead of "patrolling" the streets. If there is no victim, there is no greivance and therefore, there is no crime.
I think you're confusing cause and effect. Java is so different to Ada because no-one who is experienced in Ada is trained to program in Java -- they just move onto another Ada job. The result is that anything good in Ada never makes it into Java and visa-versa.
Can I reword your reply? WoW is not a role playing game. It doesn't have the depth or the social aspects of an RPG community to encourage players to role play their character. As such, people don't get out of WoW what they get out of RPGs. RPGs are the only games known to be able to justify a monthly fee. As WoW isn't an RPG it is questionable whether or not WoW can maintain it's current subscription model.
Now obviously there's a lot of things wrong with that statement. After all, just because RPGs are the only games we've seen justify a monthly fee doesn't mean there aren't other games that can. WoW could be one of those games.
That said, role playing is such a powerful means for discovering your own identity that engaging in it is almost addicitive. For example, I recently started playing a MUD as a cleric. I've never done that before as I simply have no interest in religion and never have. I hope that my role play as a cleric will give me a better perspective on religious experience and allow me to better understand the 95% of the population who believe in some form of religion.
Ya know, people wouldn't leave for the reasons Geldonyetich states if they were actually doing what RPGs are for: discovering their identity. Unfortunately WoW doesn't encourage this kind of gameplay. It's certainly possible though, and players who actually role play their character and introspect their thoughts and feelings about the strange situations they get their character into will not only stay in the game longer, they'll get more out of it too. Now if only WoW could be built to encourage this kind of gameplay more..
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The Police Powers Act clearly states that if you are assaulted you are free to assault the person back, in which case neither party can be charged with assault.
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Man, that's really really stupid. "Fighting never solved anything" is the most absurd statement of all time. There's this thing called testosterone that us "idiots" have which tell us that causing someone else harm will earn their respect. Arranging a fight with someone else who feels the same takes about as long as it takes to say:
"You tryin' to start something?"
"You wanna go?"
"Would you care to step outside?"
Now maybe your society at large thinks that is unacceptable behaviour, but the vast majority of males on earth think it is the most natural thing in the world. Almost every fight finishes with two men who now understand that they are powerful and deserving of respect, and subsequently treat each other such.
As for domestic violence, that's hardly the matter in question and is obviously not a case of prearranged agreemented combat.
There's no story? Yeah, I don't know why I'd keep playing that. Sounds like a treadmill. As for making my own story, ahh, no, thank you, I'm paying for entertainment, I don't wanna have to entertain myself.
People play WoW because it has unique and novel gameplay. When the gameplay is no longer novel people will get bored and leave (instead of hanging around and socialising, as they do in other MMORPGs, because the game isn't accomidating to that). When other games come along which have similar gameplay people will leave to play them instead.
Of course, all this assumes that the current state of WoW is the final state of it. Surely once WoW's numbers start going down they'll modify the game to make it more accomidating to socialisers (it's not hard). As for people leaving for greener pastures, can anything stop that?
It's interesting to think of other MMOGs and Geldonyetich's three categories. Think about The Matrix Online (TMO). It's definitely in category three, so what's going to keep people around when the novelty of the gameplay wears off? I think the answer is story.. TMO is one of the few games where paid actors actually direct the gameplay.
Of course, I generally stop playing MMOGs in category three for a completely different reason: they get too hard. I find this especially annoying in single player games which have good story (like Simpsons: Hit & Run). Why do they have to keep making it harder? I don't want a "challenge" I want to have *fun*. I guess this is also the reason behind the popularity of cheat codes. With that in mind, I think the worst thing you can do in a MMOG is force people to take harder mission/quests. Just give me the option of Easy/Intermediate/Hard missions and I'll pick the level of challenge I feel up to today.
I read about it in the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Guns. The instructions were in "comic strip" format, without any words, so they could drop the guns anywhere and people who couldn't read or didn't speak english could work the gun.
A duel is not acceptable no. In fact, just challenging someone to a duel is illegal in Australia. A duel is defined as the use of weapons. Essentially, if someone in Australia is assulted they have two options: call for the cops and get the person arrested, or assault them back. In the UK you have only the first option.
Blah. It kinda reminds me of when the US government decided that a mass produced gun would be a cool idea. They made a handgun that could fire one round and then be manually reloaded (but generally wasn't), added a "comic strip" of instructions and put it in a plastic bag to be dropped from aircraft in areas that were under seige. The price for each gun was so rediculously low that it was possible to make millions of them. There's probably still millions of them sitting in military warehouses.
Now that's the way to make manufactured "aid" systems. Doing the same with computers would be simple.
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I'm in NSW actually. But generally if you're not causing a disturbance you'll get no trouble from the police. "What's going on here?" "Just settling a little dispute officer." "Well do it in the alley, not in the street." is a far cry from "Right, you two, into the paddy wagon, you're off to a holding cell and you'll see the judge in the morning."
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In some countries this will land you in jail. When I was in the UK I was shocked to discover that two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other. "Brawling" is an offense of the crown and you can be put away for it. Of course, it's an unenforcable law when you're in private, but in public it's common for two people who have agreed to fight to be sent to prison for it. How insane is that? Here in Australia if you ask someone to "step outside" the law will usually not get involved.
Blah, if you write: Gameplay 95% in a game review I have no idea WTF you are talking about. If you write a page long discourse on what the gameplay was like, even if you write it with a subjective emphasis on what you liked about it, I can make up my own mind.
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I find the concept of a military unsettling.
Well that's the point, it's not about winning, it's about showing your opponent that you are not powerless. Almost every fight ends in an apology and, as I said, a respect for each other.
That's cool, but as I understand it, religious people really do believe in miracles and the fact that it isn't testable actually re-enforces that belief. I've played MUDs as a "fighting monk" and tried to apply buddhist teachings to my role play. It makes for more enjoyable play and gives you some incite into what it is like to live as a buddhist.
I'd love to be able to play an RPG set in the times of the crusades so I could role play a dogmatic catholic marching into war.
Cause they ask for it the wrong way. Red Hat should have made it a very attractive option to get support for their enterprise GNU/Linux offering, not a requirement.
Man. Get out from under that rock you live under. I dare you to insult anyone you don't know and see if you don't get your ass kicked. Obviously all this electronic commication has warped your brain. You can't insult people in the Real World without expecting retribution.
That's amazing. So what you're saying is that you believe you should be free to insult anyone you like (much like you just called me a violent idiot) and they should have no recourse. Well if we can't get you to respect other people we can at least get you to act like you do. I hope you like living in fear.
call it what you will but before you insult someone, in person, your mind tends to take a look at how big they are and whether or not you can outrun them. If your mind doesn't do that I think you have reason to worry.
See, that's exactly the kind of behaviour that would earn you an invitation to step outside if we were in the same room. You insult me freely on Slashdot demonstrating that you have no respect for me, because you feel no threat to your person. If we were in the same room you would not be so bold. Perhaps you consider my reasoning here to be uncivilised. To that I say: it is your actions which are uncivilised. Feel free to disagree with me. Feel free to tell me so. That is showing me respect. But calling me an idiot is clearly an act of disrespect and should be met with the offer of boxed ears.
Maybe the post that I was replying to has disappeared, I wasn't suggesting this device would land you in gaol, I was stating that "getting into a fist fight" would land you in gaol, which the post I was replying to suggested was a cheaper alternative.
If I give you permission to hit me how is it assault? It's just such an absurd term. We're not talking about someone punching you without reason. We're talking about two consenting adults agreeing to the terms of a challenge to rectify a grievance. Whether those two adults choose to flip a coin, play rock-paper-scissors, thumb wrestle, arm wrestle or have a fist fight is no concern of the law. The problem with the UK is that you are ruled. You're subject to the whim of the crown. Since the first parliament was convened in Australia we've introduced laws that have freed us from that rule. Thankfully the crown has never intervened (like they did in the US) and we've never needed to have a revolution. Unfortunately the concept of "victim of crime" has been lost. Even in the US people are convicted of crimes to which there is no victim. I wish we could return to the days when police actually responded to greivances instead of "patrolling" the streets. If there is no victim, there is no greivance and therefore, there is no crime.
I think you're confusing cause and effect. Java is so different to Ada because no-one who is experienced in Ada is trained to program in Java -- they just move onto another Ada job. The result is that anything good in Ada never makes it into Java and visa-versa.
Now obviously there's a lot of things wrong with that statement. After all, just because RPGs are the only games we've seen justify a monthly fee doesn't mean there aren't other games that can. WoW could be one of those games.
That said, role playing is such a powerful means for discovering your own identity that engaging in it is almost addicitive. For example, I recently started playing a MUD as a cleric. I've never done that before as I simply have no interest in religion and never have. I hope that my role play as a cleric will give me a better perspective on religious experience and allow me to better understand the 95% of the population who believe in some form of religion.
Ya know, people wouldn't leave for the reasons Geldonyetich states if they were actually doing what RPGs are for: discovering their identity. Unfortunately WoW doesn't encourage this kind of gameplay. It's certainly possible though, and players who actually role play their character and introspect their thoughts and feelings about the strange situations they get their character into will not only stay in the game longer, they'll get more out of it too. Now if only WoW could be built to encourage this kind of gameplay more..
The Police Powers Act clearly states that if you are assaulted you are free to assault the person back, in which case neither party can be charged with assault.
Man, that's really really stupid. "Fighting never solved anything" is the most absurd statement of all time. There's this thing called testosterone that us "idiots" have which tell us that causing someone else harm will earn their respect. Arranging a fight with someone else who feels the same takes about as long as it takes to say:
"You tryin' to start something?"
"You wanna go?"
"Would you care to step outside?"
Now maybe your society at large thinks that is unacceptable behaviour, but the vast majority of males on earth think it is the most natural thing in the world. Almost every fight finishes with two men who now understand that they are powerful and deserving of respect, and subsequently treat each other such.
As for domestic violence, that's hardly the matter in question and is obviously not a case of prearranged agreemented combat.
There's no story? Yeah, I don't know why I'd keep playing that. Sounds like a treadmill. As for making my own story, ahh, no, thank you, I'm paying for entertainment, I don't wanna have to entertain myself.
Of course, all this assumes that the current state of WoW is the final state of it. Surely once WoW's numbers start going down they'll modify the game to make it more accomidating to socialisers (it's not hard). As for people leaving for greener pastures, can anything stop that?
It's interesting to think of other MMOGs and Geldonyetich's three categories. Think about The Matrix Online (TMO). It's definitely in category three, so what's going to keep people around when the novelty of the gameplay wears off? I think the answer is story.. TMO is one of the few games where paid actors actually direct the gameplay.
Of course, I generally stop playing MMOGs in category three for a completely different reason: they get too hard. I find this especially annoying in single player games which have good story (like Simpsons: Hit & Run). Why do they have to keep making it harder? I don't want a "challenge" I want to have *fun*. I guess this is also the reason behind the popularity of cheat codes. With that in mind, I think the worst thing you can do in a MMOG is force people to take harder mission/quests. Just give me the option of Easy/Intermediate/Hard missions and I'll pick the level of challenge I feel up to today.
Yes! That's the one.
I read about it in the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Guns. The instructions were in "comic strip" format, without any words, so they could drop the guns anywhere and people who couldn't read or didn't speak english could work the gun.
A duel is not acceptable no. In fact, just challenging someone to a duel is illegal in Australia. A duel is defined as the use of weapons. Essentially, if someone in Australia is assulted they have two options: call for the cops and get the person arrested, or assault them back. In the UK you have only the first option.
or frogurt.
Now that's the way to make manufactured "aid" systems. Doing the same with computers would be simple.
I'm in NSW actually. But generally if you're not causing a disturbance you'll get no trouble from the police. "What's going on here?" "Just settling a little dispute officer." "Well do it in the alley, not in the street." is a far cry from "Right, you two, into the paddy wagon, you're off to a holding cell and you'll see the judge in the morning."
In some countries this will land you in jail. When I was in the UK I was shocked to discover that two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other. "Brawling" is an offense of the crown and you can be put away for it. Of course, it's an unenforcable law when you're in private, but in public it's common for two people who have agreed to fight to be sent to prison for it. How insane is that? Here in Australia if you ask someone to "step outside" the law will usually not get involved.
Blah, if you write: Gameplay 95% in a game review I have no idea WTF you are talking about. If you write a page long discourse on what the gameplay was like, even if you write it with a subjective emphasis on what you liked about it, I can make up my own mind.