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Games That Shoot Back
syousef writes "A shooting game that shoots back, delivering electric shocks through the player's hips when they're shot, is being used for recruitment (Hey shooting people is fun) and training by the U.S. military. There's talk of developing it into a PC game. Here's a quote from the article: 'It has the same power as a stun gun. It knocks you down. You have to continue to work through the pain and keep on fighting, as that is what you need to do - to keep on fighting even when wounded.' I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)"
If this is brought to the PC games, I hope they also include a suicide feature so that I can finish myself or team mates who are suffering from electric shock.
"Timmy, forget about the TK rules, kill me please, please!"
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
America's Army Part II -- The Final Recruitment. If you manage to live through this video game you are worthy of a sandy death.
Peter: I got an idea, an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about.
So I'm thinking the pace and realism of any such games had better be closer to Operation Flashpoint than Serious Sam ;)
Wear gloves.
Who will be the first to write malware that actually kills people?
When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
Someone forgot to turn the safety protocols back on.
At last.. a whole new dimension to "friendly fire" ;)
Now to Options.. turn friendly fire on... call "friend" over...
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An MMORPG that knocks you out by electric shock and steals your clothes and jewelry, etc. when you die in-game? Realism isn't always a *good* thing. I would prefer not to be shocked while playing Counter-Strike, please.
Next.
It's all fun and games until someone does a headshot and 1000V runs through your entire body!
The adult industry... in some sick and perverted way.
The scary part will be if someone hacks the system with malicious intent. Next thing you know, a birthday party of gaming turns into a massacre.
Microsoft Sucks, F/OSS Rocks. I get mod points now right?
What a way of getting around irritating laws about euthanasia! Great way for companies to increase their market share amongst 80 year olds.
Ain't capitalism grand?
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Can you say, "Wheel of Misfortune"? Spin the wheel with a couple of nasty spots where you get a real nasty jolt. It would certainly add a bit of a spark[1] to an otherwise boring game.
[1] Did you think I wouldn't make a pun?
How effective is shock therapy as a means to getting better at something? Obviously its well infused in our minds (and instincts) to avoid pain at all cost, but I wonder how well it works in reality.
No, not anti-americanism just a quote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine Corps commandant said Thursday."
A masochist's dream ^^ I want badly ^^
Show this to your friends and family that don't know what a real hacker is
This was written about in Piers Anthony's "Kilobyte" 20 years ago.
Try harder next time
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Call me when they have a peripheral to go with Hentai games.
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If they hook it up to a stupid detector, it'll work great to prevent stupid people from trying to say stupid stuff on the internet.
I'de say it was anti-militarianism, which is much easier to justify.
Get into a fistfight.
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A shock to the hip isn't going to kill you, even if you have a heart condition. It may cause some stress - and that may set off something - but no more stress than boot camp would give you anyway.
I think the shock is there to piss you off and make sure you remember to keep your friggen head down when the baddies are shooting at you.
I just hope they dont have quad damage.
This is an incredibly electrifying development. The gaming community must be arcing with excitement! I, for one, simply cannot wait to be plugged into such action and adventure. Not to mention all of the amped up individuals bolting to recruiting stations to try their hand. This kind of technology blows away all of the current games by far. Let's hope that development is met with little resistance and that the capacitance of the developers' creativity is immeasurable.
(Yes, I know, it's horrible. The line to shoot me starts over there. *point*)
From the positioning on the hips, I suspect unknown prostate conditions would be the major risk.
Pain is one of the greatest behavior modifiers there is.
:)
;)
The whole point of a FPS trainer is to educate reality out of an individual. When you fire a pistol, sometimes your body will jerk the hand in anticipation of the shot. Dryfiring a few hundred times is enough to condition the pull back out, but it will eventually creep back.
I'm remember reading that 3/4 of the soldiers in WWI and WWII didn't aim at anything. They were conditioned to shoot at little bullseyes, not people. Notice how the military trains on human shaped targets now? Human-aim-fire-response.
This is all good, believe it or not.
Getting shot in a game there is no pain and risky behaviours can continue to flourish. Getting hit with a live round is most likely to inflict pain. Therefore, make the game as realistic as possible without killing your candidate
Will I play this? Nope. I already take Americas Army seriously and do my darndest not to die. But then again I'm not one of those people that beg the S-24 in order to get a pistol, either
My geeky $.02:
Maybe a shock belt could be used to improve the increasingly unrealistic sport of Olympic fencing.
While fencing is not a video game, it lacks a certain realism in the sense that there is not a significant enough penalty for getting hit. In epee' fencers learn to do many very silly attacks that put their face in danger so that they can attempt a toe shot.
By attaching a shock belt to the electronic scoring equipment that is already used, fencers would learn to use the kind of caution that they might in a real duel.
Of course that doesn't solve the problem of sacrifice that is encouraged by making all of the target area worth the same number of points, or the unrealistic use of the coupe--where a fencer often whips his foil into a "J" shape to touch his opponent on the back. But the shock belt may be a step in the right direction along with some other changes.
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine Corps commandant said Thursday."
He only said what everybody thinks.
In the real world there's always more than two options. In this situation I suspect those who have a natural aptitude for FPS games will learn more quickly than without the shocks, but for most people they will just stop playing.
Now all they need to do is attach these things as the controller for the new fighting robots they use in Iraq. The rebel fighters might be emboldened to attack the robots if they knew that by causing them damage they could "paralyze an infidel".
"How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions?"
Out of curiosity, have stun gun manufacturers been sued for this?
I don't think it matters much anyway, they'd likely use some form of vibration instead of shock.
"Derp de derp."
Mattel created a device that would shock gamers a long time ago for the NES. They called it the Power Glove.
I hope they release a sdk.
while(1)
{
shock();
}
Taco?
This is so ridiculous. If only the US Military would read Slashdot's Game forums, they'd know that playing realistic violent video games have absolutely no relation to comitting violent acts. So why use it as a recruitment tool or training method?
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Punish cheaters!
Not to point out the obvious, but in reality, I think avoiding pain at all costs would involve avoiding this shocking game at all costs. I know I'd rather not play this game, than play and get shocked.
I hope this revelation isn't too shocking...heh.
But then again, that's completely unrealistic. No-one in this day and age would have an easily hacked network, right?
Right?
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4. Lawsuit!
Wait... It's no longer April 1st somewhere in the world?
A shocking experience. And it wouldn't even be false :/
Not electricity, but my buddy learned to not forget his nut cup after getting shot in the balls with a few paintballs. Learned real quick.
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" (Hey shooting people is fun)"
yay! anti-americanism!
Are you on crack? This quote can only be seen as an attack on someone who sees shooting people as fun. By saying it's an attack on Americanism, you're saying most Americans hold this view.
You're either a troll or an idiot. Actually no those two might not be mutually exclusive.
Well this is a brilliant idea to help promote violence against campers. ....then again..im not entirely opposed to electrocuting campers.
I can see it now: "If you camp there and snipe me again im gonna come over there and jam the mains fair up your @ss then flick the switch"
I have a few, and until you get up towards 500,000 volts the pain is tolerable, and is on the surface only. The 700,000 volt model I have is able to cut through paper with its arc, and needless to say it will knock you down and out if you were shocked for more than 5 seconds depending on your body weight. I wouldn't mind wearing a belt that was adjustable between 100,000-300,000 volts in a game of CounterStrike. As long as the amps were as low as a typical stun gun the pain would be less than paintballing, and cheaper.
The enemy gate is down.
I can assure you, the best way to get rid of dragons is to have one of your own.
Linux: No batteries for the shock are needed, as the frustration of trying to get the hardware to interface with linux everytime you're shot is far more painful.
SCO: The software comes with a variety of legal services built in so you can sue about that "unknown" heart condition.
Mac: Never has it been so easy to administer high voltage electric shocks to your hips.
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Good point!
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Darn it, with all the idiotic knee-jerk reactions and editorializations used up by the story author, how will anybody else have anything to say here?
"You're either a troll or an idiot. Actually no those two might not be mutually exclusive."
Funny that you would call me a troll or an idiot and then think out loud that "or" makes something mutually exclusive.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
DRM. You can download anything you want for free, provided the RIAA gets to shock you on a per megabyte basis - negative conditioning.
Educational games. Kids are hooked up to the computer and the computer quizzes them, zapping them every time they make a mistake.
Extreme games - apply the electrodes to areas of the body much more sensitive than they would otherwise be attached to.
Exercise games - electrodes attached such that they automatically stimulate and tone the muscles while you work/play.
I could go on, but i'll spare you.
"How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions?"
None, as they probably make you sign a liability waiver before letting you put that thing on.
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I guess even sex-crazed demonic octopi need love.
And certainly wouldnt want to be a n00b in the game.
I'll bet everyone will be camping all the time.
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The only thing that's surprising about this, actually, is that it took so long to arrive in a gaming environment, considering that movies have been capable of this "feature" for at least 46 years. The Tingler, starring Vincent Price, naturally, used this gimmic, wiring theater seats to shock viewers at appropriate moments. It didn't last then, and it won't last now.
I would hate to be hit by someone using the rocket launcher.
Soviet America? That's a cheap shot.
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Maybe you can get it to work with hentai games...?
A few paintballs?
Doesn't sound like he learned all that quick.
I'm in! Where can I order one? Lazer tag was just too boring. Now I don't even need to risk the hazards of unhealthy fresh air to play paintball to get a pain fix.
yes, in context,
""You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.""
It's so easy to take things out of context but it also says something about the point you are trying to make.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
How much you want to bet we will have tons of stupid teen guys attaching this thing to their nads?
Meh.
It may not be for the PS, but here's a complete cybersex USB that lets you remotely control your partners vibrating gizmo....
;)
Hopefully your can get this thingy to shoot back
"America's army v9.00 - zapeveryone hax0r" ...and for some strange reason I am reminded of the Simpson's episode featuring Dr. Marvin Munroe, when the Simpsons zap each other.
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...but Microsoft recalled those XBox power cables.
1. April Fools is over. There'd be so many people dead from this thing, it would completely clean out our gene pool. I absolutely support it.
2. What was that one James bond movie where he got the shit shocked out of him, and he was like, 60 years old when he was filming it in Monaco?
3. Why the fuck did Kim "Did I do that?" Basinger get an Oscar for that LA Shit movie, for which she had about 3 lines, and Kate Winslet completely shut-out?
4. Time to burn down the establishment.
I find it a bit sickening that the military is producing games to attract people to join. Aren't games supposed to be fun? Are they hoping for gamers to think "hmm- this game is fun, I think I'll join the army so I can HAVE FUN KILLING PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE." ?
Does anybody else find that unsettling?
Esoteric reference.
I'd like to see how the Bukkake Acccessory works.
does it shock you for shooting people on your own team or just them for getting shot? Because there's always at leasy one "team killing f**tard".
I think we all know where this is going....
"Dude, those are my chips.... Dude, I said, those are MY chips... Dude, alright I warned you!'
BBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!
BBBZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
And what if you keep shooting him? I SO see a Jackass episode in this invention.
=tkk
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you regret that you got involved in an inmates personal scheme? someone named "Bubba" punched out your teeth so he can enjoy hours of no-bitey BJ action?
In the event of cadiac arrest the computer will automatically re-start your heart, call the paramedics, reserve a room at the hospital, notify your family, and cancel your dinner reservations. That is unless the game locks up.
Lag would also be a pain if it happens right when you die.
No one of consequence
Get with the programme.. not mainstream, but certainly not new.
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..don't panic
A game like this needs a dead man switch. In every sense of the word.
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Fricken Lag! Outch!
Well, he remembered the next time we got together. He didn't go home to get it. But he did go off the field after he collapsed with a piercing shriek following the third one.
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10 minutes of them and you'll be looking for your refund
You should be charged with battery and kept in a cell.
That's it for me, I'm going ohm now.
Build your own!
The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -Alan Kay
while(1)
{
shockuser();
}
No chance of overflow with this loop.
"The newly born animals are then whisked off for a quick run through a giant baking oven." --heard on Food Network
"We've developed some innovative new ideas for this game," stated Mark Davidson, project manager for the Battlestar Linux effort. "Our game will be set in an environment of post-World War 3 New York, with the city engulfed in violence from scattered rebel groups, gangs, warlords, and other nice characters. What sets this game apart from other games is a new USB we are producing that will make the gameplay feel more real. Attachments that go to a skullcap, waistband, wrist- and ankle-straps, will provide an electric shock whenever the player is 'shot' by an electrical weapon such as the raygun or cellblaster. Gas burners installed in these straps will engulf the player in real flames if the player is shot with a flamethrower. Explosives placed in a pack, worn on the player's back, will blow the player up if the player is hit with a grenade or rocket. Finally, a system of shotguns, strategically placed around the room in a surround-sound fashion, will shoot real bullets at the player when the player is hit by bullets in the game. Our effort is intended to give new meaning to the term 'virtual reality.'"
People familiar with the matter suggest the game will only be available for Linux, a first for operating system vendor Microsoft, which usually makes applications available only for the Wintel platform and for the Mac.
Well guess they have finished watching Star Wars movies and have now moved onto Starship Troopers.
I always though replacing like an XBox's rumble system with a couple of electric shock giving pads would be good. Or on a seperate system, so every time u died in Halo Multi the controller gets shocked out of ur hands, more fun.
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They already do, only you have to rent them by the hour.
"following the third one."
Two wasn't enough?
Sounds like a system that could replace the MILES system.
It sounds to me like you'd legally be assuming the risk by strapping yourself into an electroshock suit to play a video game. Assumption of the risk bars negligence lawsuits. It's almost a given that you'll have to agree, either by signing them or by reading a warning sign, to terms that explicitly state that you assume the risk of unknown heart conditions.
They do make a hentai accessory. http://www.fu-fme.com/
Are you telling us you'd like a tentacle in the tailpipe?
"I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)" "
It's interesting that the first thing that would cross your mind would be "Soviet America" and "Lawsuits".
Sorry, you just contridicted your otherwise consistent anti american views.
But I digress: You never entered the military, otherwise you would know that far more 'rigorous' training takes place than merely getting a few shocks down your hip from a video game. You have no idea what goes on, and thus your views present that of a bias unfounded. You hate America, granted, but don't worry slacker - you'll never be cut for the military with that attitude.
But aren't you glad that people like myself defend your civilian ass while you bicker over A dead woman on a feeding tube, a child molesting black/white/whatever singer and whether or not a plaque with the 10 commandments offends you in a place where most Americans will never be - in a courtroom?
Relax, young sir. You'll never be in the military - we don't want you. You just stay here and do what you have to do with your rhetoric, and I'll do what I have to do with my weapons.
The pr0n industry takes this technology to a new level. Then MMORPG's become MMO "Parties", with lots of people feeling it for real.
So in short. No good can come from this.
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There's a patent fight going on over force-feedback controls with vibrating motors in the US. I wonder it covers this?
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
... and we have "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Electro-Shock Edition."
Wonderful. Never will your child reach typing 60 w.p.m. faster. Or with fewer fingers.
- shadowmatter
I can't imagine that people wouldn't have numerous circumventions for this, the easiest being simply not wearing the aparatus. How many gamers are going to endure this rather than simply disabling it somehow and just playing it like any other videogame? The honors system rarely holds up among online gamers when physical pain isn't involved... I don't think this would fare much better.
You've gone too far-radically too far - with the appaling punnage. They are so bad, it hertz...
That may the funniest thing I have seen in almost a month. I can barely type almost 5 minutes after reading. So sad but so true. Thank-you for the laughs.
"Hey shooting people is fun"
/. editors? Moderators this isn't a troll nor is it flamebait. I'm simply pointing out that this is a damn stupid comment to make because the context the comment was in pertains to shooting people in the real world, as in the military, not in a video game sense.
And you Americans wonder why the rest of the world thinks of you as ignorant, violent and lacking responsibility.
How the fuck did this comment get past the
geez -- and they wonder why it's so hard to meet the numbers each month for new recruits.
Player:"hey, I got shot, where's the sho*zzzt*"
The way people think about Columbine, something tells me if they got zapped every once and awhile while playing they would have thought twice about rampaging...not that I believe the video games contributed to the issue.
The existing target training simulation is called M.I.L.E.S. What wil the new name be, S.M.I.L.E.S? (Shocking M.I.L.E.S)
to your balls.
Then when you spend it, ouch!!!
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
You know, just because I play 3D shooters it doesn't mean that I actually want to get shot. I'm sorry but feeling searing pain or getting knocked out of my chair while playing game isn't exactly what I'd call a good time. Of course, if the game had breasts...
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New meaning for blue screen of death?
Didn't we see this in a James Bond movie? (Never Say Never Again) As I recall that was quite the cheesy game...
I can't believe it.
No one has mentioned that in the movie "Octopussy" James Bond (you know, Agent 007) competed with the villain in a video game that gave shocks to the loser.
Maybe you make it a Blockbuster night and check it out.
boxes with virus and get them to play the enemy. Then the war is mine.
sony - welcome to the new reality shock console.
player - ah hello
sony - would you like to register this console?
player - no thanks
sony - *ZZZZZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP*
player - *ARRRRRRGGGGGHHH*
sony - would you like to register this console?
player - uhhh perhaps I would yes
sony - would you like to purchase additional peripherals?
player - no thanks I'd like to play this game please
sony - *ZZZZZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP*
player - *ARRRRRRGGGGGHHH*
sony - would you like to purchase additional peripherals?
player - uh yes I'll take two.....
sony - please enter your credit card details
player - wha....
sony - *ZZZZZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP*
and on and on it goes..
Sounds like he wasn't man enough to take the lesson immediately to heart.
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Not all that smart is he?
Perhaps getting hit in the testes has made him unable to reproduce. He deserved getting hit the 3rd time.
Just think about how bad it would suck to go up against a cheater.
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I seem to remember reading about some guys that made a version of Pong that would give you shocks when you screwed up. Anyone ever try one of these?
Man, that would be a mofo.
And LAN parties, where you can walk over and hurt the guy that just stunned you to the ground... awesome.
Why not just cut out the middle man, and buy two stun guns, and go at it... woot!
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Why a linux version? Would anyone be able to use it?
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Once this sort of realism becomes more popular in gaming, expect a portable shocker from Sony that you can stick in a special slot. It only takes half the battery life every time its used!
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PLEASE NOOOO, I don't want even more campers who refuse to go anywhere near danger.
Well anyway, the idea that you could have a weapon with two settings, stun and kill, gee, where did the cops get the idea that this would come in handy? Turns out that it is hard to stun someone without killing them. The old detective movie cliche of stunning someone by hitting them over the head? An MD writing in TV guide told readers that "if you hit someone over the head, most likely you just hurt them and make them mad. If you hit them harder to knock them out, chances are you kill someone from a hematoma."
I have seen films where they Taser a volunteer, and they start convulsing or they just faint and tip over and hit the mat in the gym they are doing this with a thud. I have seen a recent episode of "Cops" where they Tasered a whole bunch of different people, and it didn't seem to do anything. I suppose the electric shock causes intense, sudden pain, and that can cause someone to collapse, just like being shot with a bullet, only there is no tissue damage so the person doesn't bleed to death, but does it really work? I suppose a bullet doesn't always "work" in that a person can be fatally wounded but not always drop dead right away.
Anyway, I was the only person at the meeting willing to try the Taser (it was a model with two electrodes sticking out, and it didn't have the darts for remote action). I was going to zap my forearm and I was quickly advised "better try it on your leg. So I hold the Taser up to my leg and press the trigger. I was pretty embarrassed because I yelled out "Jesus Christ!" I was more startled than anything else, and it hurt real bad, but not the kind of hurt of someone drilling into your teeth -- more like the worst kind of muscle cramp -- it really hurt but I felt like my leg muscles were seizing up.
So what does a Taser do? Does it really knock a person out like on Star Trek, or does it merely cause a person to take the Lord's name in vain? Have they made the Taser more powerful in the last 20 years? More maybe because my finger was on the trigger, I let go when it first started to hurt, and a person has to deliver multiple jolts to get someone to collapse.
Didn't he have a belt pack to hold a few bottles of ammo? Whenever i've gone paintballing, we had those to carry extra.
Wearing them in the front will also serve as protection.
Oh no no no.
I don't need a DualTentacleShock controller!
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You have 5 seconds to comply!
I am reading lots of comments about people "camping" more in a game like this. On a serious note, doesn't being a real soldier in combat involve a lot of "camping"? You might spent a day or even months in one spot defending one position.
They have this already... It is called a Dual Shock controller~
I'll bet everyone will be camping all the time.
You mean "hiding behind something bulletproof", just like most soldiers do in a REAL WAR unless the enemy is chasing them or their officers are ordering them to move? A real firefight between a dozen soldiers can take hours, since getting anyone to "rush" is both stupid and nearly impossible.
That's why "elite units" are elite, because they will actually voluntarily put themselves in harm's way rather than only trying to stay alive. Consequently, they can make short work of conscripts and half-trained farm boys.
Freedom: "I won't!"
Imagine some dude hacks the game and makes it repetitively shock you. Someone could actually wtfpown you over the net.
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Remember for each person getting shot in an on-line game, there is someone willingly doing the shooting. One additional purpose of this could be to desensitize the players to inflicting harm on others, or finding people who never minded much in the first place. For those that do especially well, there is always prison guard duty...
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From what I heard, many bulet wounds (especialy from modern high velocity rifles with piercing ammo) do not hurt too much initialy and feel rather funny, much like a dull thud - until a crippling pain sets in, few seconds later.
I think the real purpose of this "reality" training is to find a good material for US army - people with nascent masochist inclination and low self-preservation instinct.
I doubt that we will ever figure out - and I suspect that even if we did figure out we couldn't do much about it
Hi:
Years ago on CBC radio--and I may well have the cassette tapes somewhere--there was a radio mystery/occult/science fiction play once a week. I think it was Friday nights.
In one episode a man gets addicted to video games. To heighten the realism, the game gives him shocks until the ultimate level is reached where he gets fried.
Fiction fifteen years ago.
What the porn industry will do with this!
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i remember reading a story in a magazine about the first public demo of a force-feedback joystick. the game that was being played (doom) crashed and the joystick went beserk. if i remember rightly, the joy using the thing ended up with some broken fingers. moderen joysticks have a much less forcefull implimentations of this, but it askes this, what if the game crashes?
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I cant wait for the 'hacks' to amp up the power for an even more 'realistic' experience. oh and usb powered tazers would be fun too. The possibilitys are endless. Cant wait to read the disclaimer on this thing though.
There are a lot of stupid people out there that I'd love to shock via the Internet.
Do a google for "Shocking Tanks", and you'll see one of the best presents you can get for someone (including yourself!).
I don't have a link handy, but I got one for my brother from the Johnson Smith company. He and I were laughing our assess off while shocking one another (it's amazing the shock you get, when you consider relatively low power from regular ol' batteries!).
I highly reccomend it! But heed the warning: Not for those with pacemakers! That would be a bad thing.
Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer pain from a hot chick in leather with a whip...
It is just me? OK. Sorry...
Stevo the Devo
Forget the truth. Science is fact.
it's probably a pretty obvious reference, but I still think that the submitter should have hyperlinked shooting people is fun
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additionally, the article concludes with "we can put in smells and vibrations" what kind of smells?
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A year or two ago I recall a posting here on slashdot where someone had modified an XBOX (or maybe PS2) controller to give a shock when the vibration motors were activate. It basically routed high voltage from a cattle prod type device when the motors were activated. I think it was done by someone at the late/great TechTV.
Tekken Torture Tournament
Cockfight Arena
Ring ring!
ps. ewww.
Paint balls hurt when they hit you. They can leave a pretty sizable welt if they hit you on a hard spot like the wrist.
So, you REALLY try not to get hit. It's exciting!
If there were a concequence to being shot in an FPS besides a two minute wait until the next round, it would make you think twice about rushing or doing something stupid, and develop more tactics. There would probably be more camping (not necessarily a bad thing if the level is designed well) and it would force you to overcome those camps with better tactics.
Of course, I wouldn't want it to be as painful as a damned stun gun.
But, in the end it wouldn't work because you have no way to be sure there's a device attached to every person playing the game over the internet. This only works if there's full participation (you know, like SPF.)
In a LAN game it could be a blast though.
If something like this came to the mass market, I'd expect it to be some weak vibrating belt thing, not an electric jolt.
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
"Torture" feed has been done before. Here's Tekken Torture where small cam's track the health bars of each player on screen. When a bar goes down, the matching human player gets an electric shock.
Link:
http://www.c-level.cc/tekken1.html
I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)
Kind of reminds me of the time I had my headphones plugged in and Counter-Strike crashed on a bomb explosion, repeating the extremely loud BOOM about 5 times before I reached up to pull the headphones off, inadvertently pulled on the mouse cord wrapped around the volume knob, and twisted it to full volume, deading my hearing for about 24 hours.
If you don't have any idea what it's like to try to sleep with a phone constantly ringing in your skull, I would suggest sticking to speakers for the rest of your gaming life.
And I would also suggest that you look at gaming accessories other than ones that are purposely designed to give you pain.
You know, I've wanted to say this for a while, but this is one of the worst I've seen by far.
The whole point of that joke is that "in America", it's done the other way around by transposing the words. So... "In America, real bullets use games"?
Not funny.
(Yes, I know, it's a cliche. But correct usage is so not a cliche that I still laugh when I see it. Which is about once every three months.)
When they come out with Porn with these things let me know.;)
To put a real fighting spirit into our PlayStation Generation. And it has a good point. If you get hurt, you can't just cry and take your ball and go home. That can get you and your squad killed. Getting hurt and wounded... that doesn't mean the fight is over. That just means the fight is on! That you have to fight harder, and smarter. Training like this is a good thing. - Former Instructor at the Infantry Training Center at Ft. Benning Georgia.
MadOgre.com
Are there any detrimental side-effects to being shocked repeatedly? Obviously, I'm talking about ignoring any heart conditions. I could see that being a problem for people who like to play a LOT.
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
Well as you noticed, it does make you cramp up. If you were standing, it was probably difficult to stay that way. Had you been walking or running, the sudden jolt would almost certainly make you lose your balance, which makes it quite difficult to attack someone. That is the point -- not to stun someone, but to forcibly remove their conscious control over major skeletal muscles. This only needs to take place for a few seconds in most circumstances, allowing time to surround the tas-ee and (once the juice is off) pin him down. This isn't to say that the pain doesn't play a role in it, it's quite useful as an intimidation tactic. But the real point is to stop what someone is doing without the high risk of fatal injury that comes from firearms (even with beanbags and the like).
Another aspect is that there is no scatter, there is no projectile penetration, and there is no risk of shooting the neighbor or wife through the wall accidentally. If firing into a crowded space, or even into a fistfight, you wanna make sure you hit just your target (but if you miss and hit someone else, you don't have to zap them).
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
actually from TFA- In a promotional video on VirTra's website, a TV reporter trying out the simulator yells: "Hey, shooting people is fun." many people have said that but i think he's talking about the quote from the article? perhpas? maybe?
if i'm not immortal, what's the point of living?
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1) who decides how much pain is enough for most people ? ;) - first kill the gamers
... random thoughts.
2) how conclusive is the study of pain for different persons, its all in the mind anyways, or the way one is brought up for pain perception.
3) cant someone be killed over a massive multiplayer network game? (people have hacked sims massively and some disease is also supposed to be spereading, so what stops people from hacking these?)
4) skynet can start from here
5) what abt shock addiction, new kind of pleasure for gamer junkies.
6) whats the legal age for gamers to experience such shocks!
7) what about disabled persons.
8) will the game creators include a fineprint that they arent responsible for any damages such as heart attacks, paralysis... and other possibilities mentioned in the forum.
Where can I sign up to play this. This could be the next addon to Counter-Strike.
As in, the big worry was heart fibrillation. I held on to a computer monitor as it was plugged in (the case was off), and recieved a couple tens of thousands of volts . . . burnt my thumb really had where I was holding it. I swore quite a bit, punched a locker (this was at school during a spare), walked down to the office . . . and then passed out, probably psychosomatic more than anythig else (though all that shaking does take it out of you).
I woke up a minute later on the office floor (oddly enough, I didn't "pass out" in a classical sense, I just had all my senses slowly fade until I was essentially unconscious simply because I had no awareness of any stimuli---very disconcerting, to say the least). After that I was taken in an ambulance to the hospital, though I was quite fine. I spent quite awhile tring to explain to a doctor how this had happened, he was baffled as to how I had burnt myself so badly off of wall current. "No, no, monitors have capacitors and..." but he wasn't getting it. It was a wasted couple of hours, but at least I got to join the very exclusive club of "people that had left our school in an ambulance", and I got a pretty unique story out of it.
It did mean that we never got that computer into the locker, though. Oh well, it probably just would've electrocuted the entire bank of lockers. On second thought, damn, that would've been interesting . . .
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
BSOD would take on a whole different meaning if the thing crashed while it was shooting ya ;)
oh yeah...and in the near future on Windows update :
..some time later...
***user plays game, gets addicted to it and goes to anonymous website to download a new map***
"Windows had downloaded a security patch that will prevent a third party from gaining access to your computer and shocking you repeatedly. Click OK to update Windows."
***user clicks OK***
The following dialog pops up on screen:
"SUCKA! W1nD0z3 1s 4 n00bZ! I 0wn yoo n0w! Choose your hairstyle : Popcorn or Spikes"
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
It's one thing to die a hundred times trying to get to the next level, but to get shocked so bad that you fall down a hundred times?
yeah, no long term affects there.
because I have been enjoined by this Holy Office to abandon the false opinion which maintains that the Sun is the centre
... provided the RIAA gets to shock you on a per megabyte basis - negative conditioning.
The RIAA would never agree to per-megabyte shocking.
Because if you did it per-meg instead of per-file, then the MPAA would get to have all the fun; RIAA would feel left out.
I stole this sig from someone cleverer than me.
Because the release would double the number of high-end games available for Linux, so it would get a lot of downloads.
I stole this sig from someone cleverer than me.
As long as we are talking about virtual reality gaming, P O R N!
I am sure there are some funny bugs that would be reported from buggy alpha porn software.
Ahh, I caught a bug from my computer.
Organization: alphabetical, sometimes numerical or messy
(sigh)
Ignorant Western barbarian...
There are no tentacles in Hentai games.
A hentai game is just a dating sim with "money shots."
Thats the last thing I want. Work all day slaving for your boss and then you come home for a break, to relax and then your computer shocks you. This must be the real circle of life, constant pain.
Better make sure Immersion doesn't have a patent on this one Sony.
Apple invented this tech in the early eighties. That's why "Infinite Loop" has such a bad sound to it. It got even worse when Marathon came out.
Being shocked through the hips cannot cause heart problems of any sort. Electricity has to path through your heart in order to mess up the natural rythem of the heart. More importantly stun guns operate on a super high voltage with extremely low current. It isn't voltage that can cause fibrilation but current. The number of electrons passing through a single point in one second. So over all tissue damage will be minimal, it is the force of these limited amounts of electrons that causes the red marks commonly found on stun gun victims. The tissue damage commonly resulted from electrical shock is due to the bodies resistance. The best example is to compare the body to a light bulb. With enough current, it heats up causing tissue damage. You literally cook. That is why defibrilation units cause skin to smoke and hair to burn because the amount of electricity forced through the heart is the same as is required to light a 60 watt bulb. Make no mistake, no heart problems can result due to this means of training.
Laser Tags, now the new generation Taser Tags, featuring high voltage shocks to take down your enemies and the best of all, it's fun, cheap, once in a life time experience...
May
Actually its a quote from the article itself. I didn't just make it up. RTFA.
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
The James Bond movie simply copied the same set-up from an earlier episode of the TV show The Avengers called "Dead Man's Treasure" where Emma Peel drove a race car simulator hooked up to deliver an electric shock to the driver when a mistake was made. Similarly shocking was another episode called "The Danger Makers" from the previous year where she had to walk along a see-saw holding looped wands around electrified tracks like you sometimes see on a smaller scale at carnival games.
does it have a defibrillator mode for when it tops someone's heart?
Get your torrents...
That's hardly a fair statement... Think too much? C'mon, it's written in C...
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Stargate SG-1 reference? 8x06-Avatar I think was the episode. A chair that "shot back" at the user. /me is a Stargate fan, and may just be seeing Stargate references everywhere though.
Eh, if you leave yourself open to a nut shot, you deserve it...
Of course, I cheat at paintball and, being tall, shoot OVER most obstacles.
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
this is not as oldschool as the james bond (never say die? can't remember exactly which one) world domination game but it still IS painful.
http://www.painstation.de/
Damn, and I had to burn my mod points on random crap yesterday because they were about to expire...
****user clicks popcorn***
next question...
"y00 wan+ bu++er w1d dat? 1t d03s w0nd3rs 4 ur f4t 4$$. +1me30u+ 1n 10 s3cs..."
***rest is censored***
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
on the Aussies.
Right-o!
Sounds a bit like the painstation. I've had the chance to play with that thing once and it is kind of fun ... for 5 minutes at last.
So how many L33T clans wanna play on the D-Day map now? :)
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
The REAl problem with this will be that every player will suddenly see the inherent happyness of Camping, and nobody but those with this feature hacked to stay off will ever take a step into challenged territory.
The REAL advantage is that maybe people will finally learn that getting shot hurts like crapass.
*lol*
Yeah, right.. like gamers could learn.
The VirTra Damocles ??
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How can you take "So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." out of context? The guy is talking about deriving pleasure from killing a human being. I used to think we locked people like that up and dosed them on some serious drugs, but it looks like we've been giving them jobs in the armed forces all along.
a couple of years ago i saw this in an electronic art fair. they had pictures of people who played it too long, hands with sores etc. etc.
it's basically pong, with added pain when you lose a ball. they have pain from heat, a sort of whip and shock. as the game progresses, the pain gets worse.
i did not try it out. you may call me a whimp, but i do not enjoy pain so much...
looks like they have a version 2 out!
painstation
"Feel the power of the dark side!" /shoots out force lightening and fries anoying american kid playing Starwars Jedi Knight II.
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I can't wait for the stupid people telling one another "I've upgraded mine to 100V" "And mine is at 400V!".
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Wait a bit, then read the newspapers for further information
On Killing by LTCOL Dave Grossman covers this, along with other aspects of killing other humans, including the effect of killing at range and much more. Well worth a read.
InfoSec that matters, when it counts.
/Clicks AmericasArmy icon a little more slowly....
Notice the charge goes through the hips to avoid the heart. Hope it doesn't choose testicles as the shortest path.
A blog I run for the wealth
tch, REAL men retract their wedding tackle back into their bodies - ninja stylee!
'By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes'
Is is called Painstation: http://www.painstation.de/
Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh.
--- shockmal.c.orig 2005-04-04 13:30:44.311341544 +0200
/* lets increase the dosage every time we shock */
+++ shockmal.c.new 2005-04-04 13:31:03.324451112 +0200
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@
- for (magnitude = 10; magnitude != 0; magnitude *= 2){
+ for (magnitude = 10;; magnitude *= 2){
if (!(status = shock(magnitude))) return EXIT_FAILURE;
sleep(1);
if ((status = unshock())) return EXIT_FAILURE;
No GNU has been Hurd during the making of this comment.
I believe I've seen this in a James Bond flick once. I'm sure someone amongst you knows what I'm referring to.
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Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
There are no tentacles in Hentai games. A hentai game is just a dating sim with "money shots."
You call this a "dating sim with money shots"?!
(Link probably not safe for work; definitely not safe for anyone with a concept of "good taste")
>>> Sean Connery came back..and looked a little to old for the part. /. reader?
>>> (No offense man! You were the best Bond ever!)
> Um, do you seriously think Sean Connery is a
> Or that he cares what you think of him? ha hahaha
Well, yesh and yesh, but I post under an aliash, you inshenshitive clod.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
I would hate to be a tester for this game.
http://www.askthevoid.com
This presents intresting opportunities for a virus when it comes to the PC> I must get coding. Anyone have an API?
the game would give you the shock, tag you, and then never let you play again.
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
Your connection is bad. You starting playing online. You wake up in a coma.
If was to be adapted to a consumer product I doubt that it would be more than a form of "rumble" pads. Get hit it, rumbles your butt.
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
It's nice for use in the military, but should definetely not be forced of at least they should be undergoing a test to see if they are fit for that sort of things. I believe that this would hit normal gamers at a certain point and that would possibly be the reason of many accidents... I hope that strict laws will be applied, otherwise this could be lethal to people with weak heart or pacemaker.
In short, not good because this could do serious harm to the body, even small shocks.
neo2k
...your system crashes during a game, it tends to get stuck in a loop where it plays the last sound over and over and over and over... just think about when this puppy is plugged in... zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap...
-- Game Developers: Stop porting badly-textured games from crappy console systems!
Once again, I protest the inclusion of a standard Slashdot joke in the parent post. What are we supposed to do to amuse ourselves if parent posters continue to include "in Soviet Russia" and "I, for one, welcome..." jokes in their posts? /. and lurk on some board where I can continue to post "1.,2.,3.???,4.Profit!" and other such clever responses to my heart's content.
This practice must stop immediately, or I will be forced to abandon
Serving your airship needs since 1995.
Many playstation games have built-in support of dual shock (the controller shakes when you're shot, blown apart, etc. etc.), maybe that signal could be used to trigger the stun gun instead?
Oh wait, dual shock is patented...
Nevermind.
Something like this has been available for quite some time.. just not for the PC.. all you need is an XBox, a spare controller, and a little time. http://www.xbox-modchips.com/tutorials/xshok.htm Basically instead of rumbling, the controller sends out a small electric shock. Basically the same thing for those sadistic enough to want to try.
The Technomancer
"Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active."-
...of this, I'm positive.
Huh?
Hmmm... large electric shocks through the hips, possible going through the testicular region... I think we have our new gamer population control system! Only the 133t (and those bright enough to avoid these devices) will breed.
This sig has absolutely no significance and serves only to take up screen space and waste the time of the reader.
So that's what honor 25 does to you?
In AA, "elite" really just means "lucky with good aim". I stopped playing the game as soon as I got Counter Strike Source. CS is just as realistic (i.e. just as unrealistic) and has voice comms. AA without voice comms is silly. Typing = death and so nobody coordinates an attack, EVER.
Also, I got sick of some ass jumping in front of MY line of fire, and ME losing honor for ROE. At least in CS the "victim" can forgive for friendly fire incidents if it was really their fault. In AA it's ALWAYS your fault no matter what.
Freedom: "I won't!"
Why not, it's supposed to be cross-platform. Linux guys can use it to have sex with Mac and Amiga girls, or something like that...
I think someone would modify it to activate some sore of vibrator, placed strategically so that when he is shot, he gets some pleasure. You'll be able to recognize these guys in-game. They'll be running around in front of players with chain guns screaming shoot me!!!!.
http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/44543/Da rk_Tip_Build_an_Xshok_Controller.html/
sigh. The english comprehension on slashdot has really gone down.
shoot(v): to strike with a missile especially from a bow or gun
kill(v): to deprive of life
if you actually red the rest , he compares it to punching a guy in a bar because he is abusing a lady.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
You didn't get the joke ;)
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
Natural selection will take care of the rest.
This'll never happen. You can't get money from dead people.
qntm.org
I'm surprised nobody linked to the #2 post on bash.org. The similarities are surprising.
-Uberhund
...they have an accessory that kicks you in the balls.
Get Perpendicular needs to be a link, I tell ya!
Wikileaks, no DNS
Offtopic at worst. Not Flamebait.