Apple has grasped perfectly the concept with which "open source" is promoted, which is "show users the source and they will help you fix bugs". What Apple has not grasped--or has dismissed--is the spirit of free software, which is that we form a community to cooperate on the commons of software.
Brings a tear to my eye. Seriously, this is fantastic, and I'm not just saying that because I haven't heard a useful contribution from an AC in so long:)
I disagree totally, except possibly with your analogy which appears to be supporting my argument! Guess that shows how useless analogy is. Debugging does not introduce the same bottlenecks as development because the code contains all the information to perform the job. Someone debugging a piece of code need never talk to the original developer. It may speed up the process, but this is solely because the original developer knows the code already. Finding bugs is definitely easier to parallelize but fixing them is also parallelizible in my opinion because it does not require communication.
at least 2 people mod you up but they dont think to use their points to mod the parent down. sigh. Proprietory software developers (who are the only ones who are disadvantaged by the GPL vs say, the BSD license) dont need community development software. They have venture capital and customers to pay for their development. The community however only has itself to help forward the development. By giving our code to proprietory interests we are reducing the number of people who will use any free software that competes with the proprietory product. There is a very real connection between the number of developers who would be willing to help work on free software and the number of people using that free software. By aiding people to give up their freedoms by using proprietory software we are weakening our own.
The metamods will get him. If you created an account you could metamod yourself (and you would always be free to click the "Post Anonymously" button if you wanted to remain an AC).
The development library was Crystal Space and that was a lot longer ago than "a few months back". My mother wouldn't know what a "console" is either and even my brother (who actually does play games) would look at me strangely if I used the word "console". If you want to understand RMS's opinion on libraries you should read the warning on the LGPL.
The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).Yep, there are no restrictions in this license.
The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1).Yep, specifically stated in section 2.1.
The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).Would appear so, especially as related to section 2.2.
The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. (freedom 3). Section 4 specifically says you can do this.
Please, if I'm missing a crucial factor here hit me with it, but I'm after specific non-redundant replies, not flames.
re: B, that's bullshit. Fixing bugs is infinitely parallelizable and putting developers on the email client takes away from the bug fixing effort, it also adds more code to fix.
Surely they are breaking the law by publicizing these employee details (I know nothing about this part of law). Write a short letter containing all the details and send it anonymously to your local police. Or are you more interested in making money fixing their security bugs than just having a secure internet? Frankly I think there should be people who go around doing exactly this. Perhaps they should be police but if not, they would at least be taken seriously by the police and hopefully would not be accused of being "evil hackers".
oh I totally agree. There's this whole lot of crap about fair use going on here that is totally stupid. They should of walked into the appeal and said "look, my client is a journalist, by linking to this code they were demonstrating how useless this encryption was, that is exactly what people read my client's magazine for. By enjoining my client you are censoring a journalist and rendering his magazine less readable."
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I suppose you never went to a doom meet either.
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Blah. It is quite possible in a few years if hording source code has gone the way of the dodo that people will say "oh yes, Microsoft decided that it was better to let everyone see their sourcecode and the rest of the industry followed suit" and someone will say "but wasn't there open source before that?" and the reply will come back "oh yer, but it wasn't anything important, just hobbiest stuff". Microsoft has that way of getting at the mainstream. Anyone who was in the industry at the time would listen to that conversation and shudder but what are you gunna do, walk over and tell them off?
too true. Microsoft's initial reaction to the Internet was total FUD, and not well thought out FUD either. Next thing you know, Microsoft is making the Internet an integral part of their strategy and people start saying "Didn't Microsoft invent the Internet?"
common. We all know where Eben Moglen's agenda lies. I read a lot of his Anarchism stuff before I even heard of the GPL (but then again, that before I started looking for political arguments in software licenses).
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The moderation is supposed to be related to how much the post contributes to the topic and I dont think openly insulting someone contributes anything.
Brings a tear to my eye. Seriously, this is fantastic, and I'm not just saying that because I haven't heard a useful contribution from an AC in so long :)
I disagree totally, except possibly with your analogy which appears to be supporting my argument! Guess that shows how useless analogy is. Debugging does not introduce the same bottlenecks as development because the code contains all the information to perform the job. Someone debugging a piece of code need never talk to the original developer. It may speed up the process, but this is solely because the original developer knows the code already. Finding bugs is definitely easier to parallelize but fixing them is also parallelizible in my opinion because it does not require communication.
at least 2 people mod you up but they dont think to use their points to mod the parent down. sigh. Proprietory software developers (who are the only ones who are disadvantaged by the GPL vs say, the BSD license) dont need community development software. They have venture capital and customers to pay for their development. The community however only has itself to help forward the development. By giving our code to proprietory interests we are reducing the number of people who will use any free software that competes with the proprietory product. There is a very real connection between the number of developers who would be willing to help work on free software and the number of people using that free software. By aiding people to give up their freedoms by using proprietory software we are weakening our own.
The metamods will get him. If you created an account you could metamod yourself (and you would always be free to click the "Post Anonymously" button if you wanted to remain an AC).
The development library was Crystal Space and that was a lot longer ago than "a few months back". My mother wouldn't know what a "console" is either and even my brother (who actually does play games) would look at me strangely if I used the word "console". If you want to understand RMS's opinion on libraries you should read the warning on the LGPL.
Please, if I'm missing a crucial factor here hit me with it, but I'm after specific non-redundant replies, not flames.
*I* have read it. Have you? or do you just think you have because there used to be so much talk about it on Slashdot. Debugging != development.
re: B, that's bullshit. Fixing bugs is infinitely parallelizable and putting developers on the email client takes away from the bug fixing effort, it also adds more code to fix.
Surely they are breaking the law by publicizing these employee details (I know nothing about this part of law). Write a short letter containing all the details and send it anonymously to your local police. Or are you more interested in making money fixing their security bugs than just having a secure internet? Frankly I think there should be people who go around doing exactly this. Perhaps they should be police but if not, they would at least be taken seriously by the police and hopefully would not be accused of being "evil hackers".
oh I totally agree. There's this whole lot of crap about fair use going on here that is totally stupid. They should of walked into the appeal and said "look, my client is a journalist, by linking to this code they were demonstrating how useless this encryption was, that is exactly what people read my client's magazine for. By enjoining my client you are censoring a journalist and rendering his magazine less readable."
I suppose you never went to a doom meet either.
little known to whom? It was in the docs ffs.
You mean I can get print outs?
in any language it is impossible (except maybe on alt.sex.stories.
The other side of the story is on their site.
Best way to kill a 120meg download.. post the url on slashdot. Do you happen to have this on an ftp? reget is all important.
wow.. you must be a private detective.
Blah. It is quite possible in a few years if hording source code has gone the way of the dodo that people will say "oh yes, Microsoft decided that it was better to let everyone see their sourcecode and the rest of the industry followed suit" and someone will say "but wasn't there open source before that?" and the reply will come back "oh yer, but it wasn't anything important, just hobbiest stuff". Microsoft has that way of getting at the mainstream. Anyone who was in the industry at the time would listen to that conversation and shudder but what are you gunna do, walk over and tell them off?
That's the whole harddrive.
start over with basic rights like the right to food and clothing before you get into freedom from political oppression and back it up with force.
too true. Microsoft's initial reaction to the Internet was total FUD, and not well thought out FUD either. Next thing you know, Microsoft is making the Internet an integral part of their strategy and people start saying "Didn't Microsoft invent the Internet?"
common. We all know where Eben Moglen's agenda lies. I read a lot of his Anarchism stuff before I even heard of the GPL (but then again, that before I started looking for political arguments in software licenses).
Heh.. I glanced at the topic and saw Slashback: RIP RMS at first glance. Woah!
heh.. I like it.